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Glued to the gruesome fascination of the FT even in Oslo...

Sad, I know....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 12:49:31 PM EST
Try Blair in Le Monde below.

Though it may be sadder.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:06:06 PM EST
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Le Monde.fr : Le maigre bilan de l'action de Tony Blair au Proche-Orient Le Monde.fr: Skimpy results for Tony Blair in the Near East
Nommé en juillet 2007 représentant du Quartet (Etats-Unis, Union européenne, Russie et ONU), Tony Blair a pris ses fonctions en septembre. Sa mission avait été définie dans une lettre des dix ministres des affaires étrangères des Etats du sud de l'Europe membres de l'UE.Appointed in July 2007 representative of the Quartet (USA, EU, UN and Russia), Tony Blair took office in September. His mission was defined in a letter of the ten foreign ministers of the southern European EU member states.
Il s'agissait d'oeuvrer à la création d'un Etat palestinien en "obtenant d'Israël des mesures concrètes et immédiates". "Il est trop tard pour tergiverser... L'occasion est historique. C'est peut-être la dernière", disait sa lettre de mission. Huit mois plus tard, M. Blair a expliqué, mardi 13 mai, lors d'une conférence de presse, ce qu'il avait obtenu de ses interlocuteurs israéliens. Le bilan est plutôt maigre, mais l'ancien premier ministre britannique estime que "c'est un premier pas, un test soumis à la mise en application sur le terrain".It was to work towards the creation of a Palestinian state in "obtaining from Israel immediate and concrete measures" . "It is too late to procrastinate ... The opportunity is historic. It is perhaps the last" , stated the assignment. Eight months later, on Tuesday, May 13, Mr. Blair explained at a press conference what he had obtained from his Israeli interlocutors. The record is rather meager, but the former British prime minister believes that "this is a first step, a test subject to the implementation on the ground" .
Tony Blair a reconnu qu'il avait négocié d'arrache-pied avec l'équipe d'Ehoud Barak, ministre de la défense, afin de pouvoir obtenir des résultats concrets "même s'il reste beaucoup à faire".
Tony Blair acknowledged he had negotiated hard with the team of Ehud Barak, Minister of Defence, in order to obtain concrete results "even if much remains to be done ".
La précipitation avec laquelle ces quelques avancées ont été négociées et annoncées n'est sans doute pas étrangère à la venue de George Bush, mercredi, à Jérusalem, pour le 60e anniversaire de la création d'Israël. Une visite de trois jours au cours de laquelle le président américain souhaite "encourager" le processus de paix. "Les Etats-Unis ne peuvent pas imposer la paix... Je n'essaie pas d'obtenir le prix Nobel de la paix, a-t-il dit à la presse israélienne avant sa venue.The haste with which these forward steps have been negotiated and announced is probably not without relation to the arrival of George Bush, Wednesday in Jerusalem, for the 60th anniversary of the founding of Israel. A three-day visit during which the U.S. president wants "encourage" the peace process. "The USA cannot impose peace ... I'm not out to get the Nobel Peace Prize ," he told the Israeli press before his arrival.
Comme aucun progrès significatif n'a été réalisé depuis la conférence d'Annapolis (Maryland) le 27 novembre 2007, il fallait bien faire état de quelques mouvements réconfortants car, comme l'a souligné un diplomate, "c'est plutôt "Panique à bord !" chez les Américains". <...>As no significant progress has been made since the conference in Annapolis (Maryland) on November 27, 2007, something comforting had to be done because, as pointed out by a diplomat , "it's kind of "Panic Stations!" for the Americans" . <...>
En ce qui concerne la levée des check-points réclamée avec insistance par l'Autorité palestinienne, l'accent a été mis sur douze d'entre eux, considérés par le Quartet comme "stratégiques" alors qu'il en existe près de 600. Quatre d'entre eux devraient être supprimés et les autres réaménagés afin d'accélérer le passage des Palestiniens. <...>Regarding the removal of check-points insistently claimed by the Palestinian Authority, emphasis was placed on twelve of them, considered by the Quartet as "strategic" , though there are almost 600 of them. Four of them are slated to disappear and the others reorganised in order to speed up the passage of Palestinians. <...>
Pompeusement baptisés "vers un Etat palestinien", ces projets ne sont, comme l'a reconnu M. Blair, qu'un modeste début afin de desserrer l'étau de l'occupation.Pompously baptized "towards a Palestinian state" , these projects are, as acknowledged by Mr. Blair, no more than a modest beginning to loosen the grip of the occupation.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:05:08 PM EST
Did you translate this yourself or did you use translation software?

If the latter, how well did the software work?

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:53:23 PM EST
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I use "someone"'s Firefox extension TribExt, that does Scoop-friendly html and allows you to use Google Translate.

I find you must do some work on the translation or it's gobbledegook. How much work depends. I probably edited 20-30% of this one, a bit less on the Facebook article below (but that was written in English first, I think, and translated into French). Yesterday I had to rewrite most of a piece for the Salon.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:04:36 PM EST
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Thanks.

That's my experience with Google's Language Tools as well.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:13:54 PM EST
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Here's what Babelfish just gave me for the first paragraph:

Named in July 2007 representative of Four-bit byte (the United States, European Union, Russia and UNO), Tony Blair took her functions in September. Its mission had been defined in a letter of the ten Foreign Ministers of the States of the south of l' Europe members of l' EU.

Four-bit byte indeed.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:19:39 PM EST
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I see Babelfish doesn't do semantics.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:23:15 PM EST
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Or gender concordance.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:24:04 PM EST
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Google doesn't do gender either (any more than l' or d').

But it did get the Quartet. Which suggests it's got a better contextual algorithm of some sort.

It's all still a long way from automatic AND readable.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:16:46 PM EST
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An early version of Google translation did do semantics. It translated Sarkozy (French) to Blair (English)....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:13:47 AM EST
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That's the well known result of a one-to-one or one-to-{defined} translation paradigm.  

Translation software systems have to abstract Rules for language use in order to get anything done.  Actual language use gives a big neener-neener to those abstractions, unfortunately.  Not only are the relationships one-to-many toss in the Semantic Differential and it looks pretty darn hopeless.

On the other hand, humans are able to Speak Much Good so there's got to be some way to solve it.  Suggesting them wot are working on the problem (not me, BTW) are looking in the wrong place(s) for solutions.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:51:20 PM EST
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anyone catch the ambush of the home secretary over whether its entirely appropriate for a former cannabis smoker to be in charge of the UK's drug laws?

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:05:11 PM EST
When they run out of politicians on that criterion, they can always do a reality TV show to search for a non-former cannabis smoker.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:08:12 PM EST
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Meh, low-grade argument in my mind. I don't really think shouting 'hypocrisy!' is an appropriate charge.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:13:03 PM EST
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Surprised the BBC allowed the ambush really.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:34:09 PM EST
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Well, it depends on how much they knew beforehand, but certainly they let it go on and gave him air. You think there's some kind of BBC conspiracy, and they just let the commenter run for the sake of giving her a hard time?

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:00:09 PM EST
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More than appropriate. Legalise it!
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:34:54 PM EST
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I'm afraid there are too many votes in the Daily Mail reading constituency. so even though the government commission says that the rules should stay in their "Liberalised" state, the government has decided that the best thing to do electorally is to pander to the authoritarians of the right.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:32:24 PM EST
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Because implementing right-wing policies is how the left wins elections. How's the lack of contrast working out for Brown in the polls, again?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:48:39 PM EST
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WTF happened to Susan Hu? While I was away she seems to have gone into full wingnut mode?
by MarekNYC on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:29:54 PM EST
I was just thinking more or less the same thing. Can anyone cast the vote-for-McCain-instead-of-Obama thing in any light other than racism for me? Extremely sour grapes? Fear that Obama might not be fully signed up to business as usual on foreign policy - which I don't recall Susan being a fan of? I'm no great fan of the guy - I suspect he's mostly noise and fury - but at worst I would have thought he was going to be guided by the Washington professionals on foreign policy if he didn't have much experience of it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:36:16 PM EST
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any light other than racism for me?

Have you looked at No Quarter lately? See this for example from a few days ago which made me think she'd completely lost it.

by MarekNYC on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:42:07 PM EST
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Yes I have looked an No Quarter. They seem to have been possessed or something.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:46:19 PM EST
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She's making fast strides into Malkin territory.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:49:29 PM EST
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Wow.  This is not just wingnut.  The guys at RedState are wingnuts.  This is backwoods survivalist crazy.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:15:03 PM EST
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As Larry Johnson pointed out last night in "Obama, The Fulfillment of Black Liberation," Barack Obama is considered -- by the extremist, racist proponents of "Black Liberation Theology" and "Black Nationalism" -- to be their TICKET to taking over the United States of America. Here is more proof:  ?!

This shit ain't sour grapes, it's plain old full on racism. And the comment threads are worse (guys going on about how the ungrateful slaves took all their family's property during Reconstruction with the help of those earlier incarnations of Northern white elitists for example and how Obama shows 'they' should all be deported 'back' to Africa)

Sour grapes I get - that's the stuff you get over at MyDD or TalkLeft, not pretty but understandable given the closeness of the outcome and the genuine (non racist) appeal of Hillary, particularly to many women who see in her the same symbol that blacks do in Obama. But the garbage over at No Quarter is a whole other can of worms. So again I as WTF? I don't recall anything that would have indicated this sort of ugliness in Susan's writings before.

by MarekNYC on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:32:31 PM EST
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You're right.  That's full-on racism and batshit crazy.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:46:52 PM EST
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I'm sure the infinitesimally small number of "Black Liberationists" do see Senator Obama as "their TICKET to taking over the United States of America."  

Just as, to the exact same degree, the much larger number of white racists see either Senator Clinton or Senator McCain as their ticket to preserving the white race's Precious Bodily Fluids.

Both group's fear of the US devolving into a Nation of Zebras -- or whatever -- is bizarre.  I, for one, would cheerfully give the first group Alabama and the second Idaho (not having any particular use for either state) if they would all just Go Away.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:05:25 PM EST
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If you could tow most of Texas into the middle of the Atlantic and leave it there, I think we have a deal.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:06:35 PM EST
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The problem is that the part you'd want to do that to is the inland part.  Better to just cut it in half and give the bad bit back to Mexico.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:10:20 PM EST
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That's not a deal-breaker for me.

Tell you what.  Have your people talk to my people to figure-out the details.  

When they get done we'll have lunch.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:30:01 PM EST
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No, remember, Idaho's full of latte-sipping blacks with Ivy League degrees.  I know, 'cause Penn and McAuliffe said so.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:09:09 PM EST
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Unhinged, depressing. Past writings?

European Tribune - Diaries

Racism thrives, even in the trial that started Monday of Edgar Ray Killen, an 80-year-old "reputed Ku Klux Klansman" and a "part-time Baptist preacher who allegedly organized the killings" of three civil rights workers in 1964.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:55:36 PM EST
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Some of it is sour grapes gone way too far.  Some of it, sadly, seems to be pretty obvious racism.  When they call Obama a "thug" and things of that nature, it's obvious what they're getting at.

No Quarter is, as I told Mig, kind of a Hillaryis44.org for the slightly less insane and paranoid, but slightly more hateful.

Many of these people are former Republicans who signed up for the Clinton/DLC brand of moderate Republicanism, and it's only been with Obama's rise that their true colors have shown.

I guess you could square the dump-Obama-for-McCain thing if you truly believed some of the shit they believe (the Rezko fairy tale, the gay-sex-and-cocaine fairy tale, etc).  But it's a whole different level of partisanship and insanity.

Fortunately, I reckon we don't need them at all, doing the math.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:01:42 PM EST
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Jesus that's full on "Protocols of the elders of Zion" mode you'd think that Obama had stood up to the lectern and said "Where is all de white women at"

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:38:21 PM EST
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for those that dont know the blazing saddles



Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:09:57 PM EST
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Argh!

For those of you who don't know the Blazing Saddles Quote

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:12:12 PM EST
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Completely, by the looks of it:
Truthteller just sent me the official tally page for West Virginia. Take note of the listing of Barack's name. Well, folks, it is what it is. And one wonders, occasionally. why Mr. Obama shies away from the use of his full given name. I hope the NYTimes takes note!
She sounds just like Ann Coulter, they even share their candidate preference ranking.

She even cross-pollinates with Little Green Footballs.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:24:26 PM EST
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Amazingy, as late as December 2007 SusanHu was writing this on BooTrib:
Just a note that I find much to admire about Barack Obama and, if he is the candidate, I will vote for him.   But I don't see in him the innate tough leadership qualities that are required for a presidency ... I do see those traits in Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, and even Joe Biden.  I am supporting Hillary Clinton, and will support the Democratic nominee.  I'm also disgusted by the media piling on Sen. Clinton.  If Obama becomes the certain front-runner, he'd better be ready.  It'll get ugly.  But the above incidents do not assure me.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:41:07 PM EST
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I understand the whole tribal-identification-with-your-candidate thing, but the likes of SusanHu are meant to be a little more rational than punishing defectors by voting for McCain. I can't see how Obama could be worse than McCain if he tried.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:15:22 PM EST
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Well, obviously, McCain is not a Trojan horse from Nation of Islam.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:26:33 PM EST
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Let her vote for McCain if she wants, but she shouldn't be posting that wild-eyed stuff on Internet.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:31:56 PM EST
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Why not? It's just shocking because it comes from her.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:56:35 PM EST
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No, it's shocking when it comes from anyone, but expectations of civilised behaviour from the other side are so low that no one is surprised when it happens.

When Clinton rolls up to reveal that the Dem party has its own in-house insane racist side-show too, it's a little harder not to be disappointed - if only because it's hard not to wonder what else is hiding out of sight.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:01:33 PM EST
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No, it's shocking from someone we know who has expressed opposite opinions in the past. Susan used to be a front pager around here, remember?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:12:27 PM EST
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Before my time. I had no idea she's a former front-pager.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:32:18 PM EST
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Important missing context!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:35:57 PM EST
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Indeed.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:41:13 PM EST
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Wow, I had no idea either. Maybe she's aiming for a paying job in the media (ie, it's all a self-promoting act, political views available to the highest bidder).

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:16:58 PM EST
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See my comment above.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:54:22 AM EST
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It shocks me when this stuff comes from Malkin or Coulter. But all the more in this case. susanhu is ET member number 7 (and still a superuser).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:58:48 AM EST
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And that's what I just don't get. My WTF? is not a rhetorical question.

OK, you supported Clinton over Obama  - I came close to doing so as well. For those who don't remember the early stages of the campaign, Clinton tacked sharply left on domestic policy, Obama went right. I also have some sympathy for the idea that you want a tough partisan SOB rather than a 'beyond partisanship' let's all get along type. And finally, there was clearly far more sexism in the media directed against Clinton than racism against Obama. Plus, like I've said many times, I have no problem with women wanting to finally have a female president. But how you go from that sort of appeal and critique to ranting on about the scary black terrorist muslim  left wing radical commie who's no good for good patriotic White Christian Americans so let's vote for McCain cause at least he's a real American who loves his country - I just don't get it. Her initial reasons for supporting Clinton and opposing Obama were the kind you'd expect from a partisan liberal democrat, now they're the crap from the cesspool of the American right.

by MarekNYC on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:35:16 PM EST
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I can only put it down to the tribal nature of US politics and the closed group effect, where a group moves more and more into it's own reality by feeding back opinions through the group. There's a real name for it ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:37:25 PM EST
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In-bred stupidity?

Maybe they should all take up golf.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:38:21 PM EST
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Groupthink of course:

According to Janis, group cohesion will only lead to groupthink if one of the following two antecedent conditions is present:

*Structural faults in the organisation: insulation of the group, lack of tradition of impartial leadership, lack of norms requiring methodological procedures, homogeneity of members' social background and ideology.

*Provocative situational context: high stress from external threats, recent failures, excessive difficulties on the decision-making task, moral dilemmas.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:40:42 PM EST
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That was uncalled for.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:47:58 PM EST
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Er - why? We're talking about someone who's supposed to be progressive-ish using using a line of argument that should have died out with the Klan - and being taken seriously for it.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:57:23 PM EST
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This

In-bred stupidity?

Maybe they should all take up golf.

Reads as a reference to all Americans.

Irrespective of that, I'm impressed by how little racism has impacted this campaign - it hasn't been effective outside of the proverbial 20% of Americans who identify as fundie nationalists and a few urban liberals who feel we need to stay away from Obama because all other Americans are racist hicks and won't vote for a black man.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:17:51 PM EST
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If I wanted to insult all Americans I'd have done it explicitly. I'd have hoped that in context it would have been obvious who I was talking about.

But as for racism - I think when you have a presidential contender and her supporters deliberately and knowingly playing the race card, it's something that has had an impact.

It hasn't had the effect it might have had because Obama seems canny enough not to run on race explicitly. He's allowed Hillary and the Rs to do it for him, and it's given them enough rope to hang themselves with.

Even so - it's shocking to find the Clinton camp being so aggressively out of line on this.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:24:42 PM EST
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I'd have hoped that in context it would have been obvious who I was talking about.

It wasn't, but thanks for the clarification.

It hasn't had the effect it might have had because Obama seems canny enough not to run on race explicitly. He's allowed Hillary and the Rs to do it for him, and it's given them enough rope to hang themselves with.

I thought it would work a bit better. Instead this rhetoric from people like Susan Hu has been a sideshow. Maybe I'm just another urban liberal elitist.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:39:07 PM EST
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I didn't read it as a dig at all Americans, honestly, but rather as a dig at groupthink.  And there's no shortage of groupthink, even among the good, on the Internets.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:36:49 PM EST
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Also, it seems inconsistent to rail someone for their hyperbolic vitriol by accusing them of being ... inbred.  There are rational condemnations and explanations galore.  Resorting to baseless name-calling isn't necessary or constructive.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:29:33 PM EST
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And on the other side.

Are these people intent on inflicting Bush II - The Annihilation on us? Either Obama or Clinton will follow standard issue evil-but-not-completely-insane US foreign policy. McCain will be fighting  the war between good and evil.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:33:34 PM EST
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Well, to me it is pretty clear that Obama has much better foreign policy instincts than Clinton. Just like there's a difference between the right wing of the Dem foreign policy establishment and the batshit insane folks that pass for foreign policy experts on the Republican side, there's also a gap between them and the left wing of the Dem establishment. Do you want a who's who of democrats who supported the Iraq war, have few if any regrets, and threatened others with professional death if they opposed it, or those who actually were willing to go against the Washington consensus; the folks who complain about Obama's willingness to talk to oppponents or those who constantly are saying that it makes no sense not to negotiate.

That said, you're right. A sane, competent centrist foreign policy beats the right hands down. Once upon a time sanity and competence existed on the Republican side, not anymore (Bush I may have been an amoral bastard, but his foreign policy made perfect sense in traditional realist terms - one reason he was very popular among European foreign policy circles). Plus as an American domestic policy is pretty important to me as well, and no I don't want more Scalias, more tax cuts for the rich, destroying what pathetic semblance of a health care system we have, and all the other Republican crap. So if Clinton steals this nomination I'll be extremely pissed, but that will not only not prevent me from voting for her, but I'll also be out there knocking doors, making calls and explaining to everyone how she's the best thing since sliced bread.

by MarekNYC on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:49:02 PM EST
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I'm less than pleased by Clinton's handling of the Iran issue - the correct answer to that question was to say that Iran didn't have nukes and call the interviewer names for being an idiot - but I'm sort of hoping it's traditional posturing to avoid looking like a softy. She's not McCain however.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:55:09 PM EST
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mmmm, American beer.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:32:52 PM EST
Le Monde.fr : La fête est finie pour Facebook et MySpace Le Monde.fr: The party is over for Facebook and MySpace
Les réseaux sociaux sur internet ont-ils perdu leur pouvoir de séduction ? Certes, tout le monde est aujourd'hui sur Facebook ou MySpace, mais des signes inquiétants concernant leur potentiel financier apparaissent. Le 7 mai, News Corp a déclaré que le chiffre d'affaires de MySpace cette année serait inférieur aux prévisions. Lundi 12 mai, Facebook a annoncé qu'il allait s'endetter.Have social networks on the Internet lost their power of seduction? Of course, everyone is now on Facebook or MySpace, but some worrying signs about their financial potential appear. On 7 May, News Corp. said the turnover of MySpace this year would be below expectations. Monday, May 12, Facebook announced that it was going into debt.
Le champion des sites pour étudiants a expliqué qu'il allait emprunter 100 millions de dollars à TriplePoint Capital pour investir dans de nouveaux serveurs. <...>The champion student site said it would borrow 100 million dollars from TriplePoint Capital to invest in new servers. <...>
<...> Que les fonds proviennent d'un requin de la finance, version Silicon Valley, plutôt que d'une banque, suggère que l'argent a été prêté dans des conditions peu favorables.<...> The fact that the funds come from a finance shark, Silicon Valley style, rather than a bank, suggests that the money was unlikely to have been loaned at favourable conditions.
Les investisseurs potentiels sont peut-être tétanisés par le précédent MySpace. Rupert Murdoch, le patron de News Corp., a déclaré que Fox Interactive (dont la partie la plus importante est MySpace) n'atteindra pas son objectif de 1 milliard de dollars de chiffre d'affaires cette année, compte tenu des difficultés à vendre de la publicité en ligne. <...>Prospective investors are perhaps frozen by the MySpace precedent. Rupert Murdoch, News Corp. boss, said that Fox Interactive (the most important part of which is MySpace) will not reach its goal of $ 1 billion in turnover this year, given difficulties in selling online advertising. <...>


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 01:58:57 PM EST
Meh, going the way of friendster and Orkut. I'd bet we'll see a new generation of this kind of websites 3 to 5 years from now, which will also fade away. Each generation will need to have its own social networking site...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:39:26 PM EST
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Maybe there will be a lot of money for whomever designs a programme to automatically port your profile from one networking site from another. Like you could update you base profile to say you liked ice cream, and voila! MySpace, FaceBook, FaceSpace, MyBook, and your dog's auntie automatically know about it.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.
by Ephemera on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:07:27 PM EST
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Nato allies agree to cyber defence unit
By Elizabeth Stewart and agencies, The Guardian

Seven Nato members signed a deal today to provide staff and funds for a new research centre designed to boost the alliance's defences against cyber-terrorism.

Defence ministers from Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany, Italy, Spain and Slovakia met in Brussels today where they signed an agreement to finance the cyber defence facility, to be based in Estonia.

Estonia, regarded as one of Europe's most internet-savvy nations, proposed the centre back in 2003, but it was only after last year's crippling cyber attacks against the Baltic nation that alliance leaders were convinced it was needed, said Major Raul Rikk, who will head the centre.

The facility will begin operatiing in August. A staff of 30 specialists -- recruited from Nato member states -- will conduct research and training on cyber warfare.

by Magnifico on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:21:12 PM EST
Did we ever figure out what it was NASA had found?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:23:36 PM EST
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God's dirty laundry.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:26:31 PM EST
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In a fit of geekdom - but mainly because I've been avoiding finishing some work - I listened to some of the press conference.

It was a relatively recent supernova remnant - in the Milky Way, but a long way from here.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:53:19 PM EST
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Yup, but for me it was a total let down.

From Wired: NASA Announcement of "Success of Long Galactic Hunt".

Scientists using a combination of radio and x-rays have found the most recent supernova remnant observed in our galaxy, located about 26,000 light years from here. It's the youngest, most energetic supernova we know and could shed light on just exactly how the stardust we're made of -- heavier elements and all-- gets created. The finding also lends some support to astronomers calculations that there should be about three supernovae in our galaxy per century, although they still need to find dozens more similar supernova remnants to confirm their suspicions.

Talk about not living up to the hype...

by Magnifico on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:53:32 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Ships bring water to parched Barcelona

Climb down the stony banks of the massive Sau reservoir in the mountains above Barcelona and you get a real sense of why this famous city is so short of water that it's resorted to bringing in emergency supplies - by ship.

Nestling in a deep valley of stunning cliffs and forests, this vital source of water has sunk so low it's exposed the eerie sight of a medieval village that was flooded when the reservoir was opened in the 1960s.

The huddle of ancient stone buildings, including a church with its spire, has now re-emerged into the light and stands as a potent symbol of the severity of this water crisis.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:27:51 PM EST
Bush: I Gave Up Golf For The Troops - Politics on The Huffington Post
As violence in Iraq continues -- clashes today left 11 dead and 19 injured -- President Bush has for the first time revealed the great sacrifice he's made for the sake of our soldiers: he's given up golf.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:49:17 PM EST
That's from the Onion, right?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:52:42 PM EST
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At least he's supporting the troops.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:55:40 PM EST
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Just think of all the flag pins he can buy with the membership savings.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:57:08 PM EST
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It's impressive that there isn't even a word for this in the English language.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:00:28 PM EST
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There is: Strategery.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:12:18 PM EST
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Sam wants to know if he played golf in the first place.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:13:37 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:21:14 PM EST
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That only shows he poses in golf carts.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:37:07 PM EST
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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:11:49 PM EST
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but there he thinks he's shooting

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:32:18 PM EST
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Dick told him all about that. It's fun!

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:33:46 PM EST
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perhaps dick wants him to stand in front of him, its the final stage in his dick becomes president plan.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:28:45 PM EST
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I seem to remember pictures of him dressed up for golf and driving in a golf-cart.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:22:35 PM EST
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If you promise to keep him, 78% of the US population will chip-in to send him there and buy him a golf club membership so you can determine that all by yourself.
 

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.
by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:24:35 PM EST
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You know I think he could not golf fine in the Netherlands. Maybe in a full service hotel in The Hague.
by MarekNYC on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:37:45 PM EST
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Works for me!


Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.
by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:43:29 PM EST
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Bush has given up golf for troops
Jonathan Martin, Politico

For the first time, Bush revealed a personal way in which he has tried to acknowledge the sacrifice of soldiers and their families: He has given up golf.

"I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf," he said. "I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."

by Magnifico on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 02:56:40 PM EST
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If he slices his drives like he falls off his bike or chokes on pretzels, the truth is he's probably stopping on medical advice.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:15:07 PM EST
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He said he doesn't want military families to see the Commander in Chief playing golf.

What a stuck-up idiot he is, letting his Commander-in-chiefdom get to his head like that.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:03:31 PM EST
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Since you all appear to say he does did play golf, he obviously doesn't want them to see just how bad he is...at golf that is...

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:05:24 PM EST
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i can't believe none of you remembered the classic moment in fahrenheit 9-11!

watch this drive...

There are no blank spots on the map any more, anywhere on earth. You want a blank spot on the map, you gotta leave the map behind. Jon Krakauer

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:48:06 AM EST
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(I was really hoping this wouldn't hit ET.  Dunno how to type with a paper bag over my head, not that it would effectively hide my nationality anyway.)

Yes, Virginia, the President of the United States, a person capable of turning the planet into a charred, radioactive cinder, IS stark raving bonkers.  

Will someone please unleash the Attack Squirrels and get this nut out of the White House?

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:19:59 PM EST
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Any sparkling ideas for this friday's photography blog?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:19:57 PM EST
Pictures you haven't got developed yet? <sigh>
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:22:17 PM EST
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Bah!

Have you heard of the 'Golden Section' as a way of composing shots?

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:37:20 PM EST
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No, but it doesn't surprise me. Here is a selection of possible rules.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:40:46 PM EST
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In that case how about photos taken with one of the principles of composition in mind - via Colmans link?

Rule of thirds, the Golden Section and diagonal rule.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:39:15 PM EST
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Turns out that, in an attempt not to screw up the results of real shots with my currently hamfisted developing skills, I shot three rolls of C41 process film - 1 colour and 2 B&W - that need to go to the lab and only half a roll of real B&W I can develop at home.

I haven't had a chance to make it to a lab yet.

Actually, at the moment I"m playing the infant version of the movie Speed - if I stop moving for too long he'll start sceaming - so I'm alternating comments between the laptop in the sitting room and the desktop in the attic.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:18:42 PM EST
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Can you speed up Christopher's development in the dark room? (that sounds cruel but I don't mean it like that).
Just to get him out of the screaming phase?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:41:12 PM EST
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Hm. I wonder if the standard developer or the fine-grain one for high-speed film would be best?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:42:03 PM EST
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Fine grain for high speed. I have no doubt.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:15:20 PM EST
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Does this mean we can impeach Bush before his presidency is out?
But a sober press release only sees him through until tomorrow morning. Then he has to face the same vast universe of problems he had before him today, except they will loom much larger and much more sharply. Almost every potentially contestable Republican seat is in play now. The "every man for himself" mentality that has taken hold amongst the GOP will become even more firmly entrenched, dooming already-weak NRCC fundraising. In Congress, discipline will likely suffer as vulnerable members (ie, much of the caucus) are tempted to side with the Dems. And we may even see some more retirements.