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by Colman
Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:05:53 PM EST

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When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:08:26 PM EST
Something about the sheep dip. I forget.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:09:47 PM EST
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  1. You can't call yourself a think tank if all your ideas are stupid.

  2. If you're someone from one of these think tanks that dreamed up the Iraq War and who predicted that we'd be greeted as liberators, and that we wouldn't need a lot of troops, and that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, that the WMD's would be found, that the looting wasn't problematic, that the mission was accomplished, that the insurgency was in its last throes, that things would get better after the people voted, after the government was formed, after we got Saddam, after we got his kids, after we got Zarqawi, and that whole bloody mess wouldn't turn into a civil war, you have to stop making predictions.


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:13:30 PM EST
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Oooops, I just realised "think tanks" are staffed by .....ex-spurts

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:15:16 PM EST
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When all the group's ideas are both stupid and nasty, perhaps they should be called a "drunk tank."
by PIGL on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:35:34 PM EST
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Thash not fair on ush drunksh

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:43:23 PM EST
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present company always excepted....
by PIGL on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:04:26 PM EST
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The nice dKos people think this should be passed around. So why not ? apparently there's a fake interview in here with Stephanopolous, but I have no idea who that is or what that means



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:09:36 PM EST
The mask is being pulled off St John.  He nearly had one of his "outbursts" the other day on his campaign bus when the press continuously demanded to know what his 2013 fantasy was all about.  Now he's getting hammered for the thirty or forty lobbyists who've resigned and those yet to do so.  And wifey's investments in Sudan aren't exactly awesome news.

BBQs be damned, the wheels may be finally coming off the Stray Cock Express.

Now here's what's interesting to me: While the dKos crowd and others either screech with joy or get their panties in a twist over this or that poll every day, I'm looking at McCain's head-to-head numbers in March and April, and what I'm seeing should scare the bejeezus out of the GOP: During Pastorgate and Pastorgate: The Sequel, St John never gets above about 46%.  McCain should've been at least into the low 50s.  That's a really bad sign for him, and I think it explains why you see them freaking out over lobbyists and now openly saying they have to game the fundraising system via the RNC in order to even try to stay within shouting distance of Obama financially.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:34:56 PM EST
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Where's the hammering taking place ? I mean, us frothing at the mouth librul bloggers know all about it, but is this getting into the tradmed ?

I thought they just covered it all up as part of the McCain good guy yukking along.

But yea, the GOP are clinging to him like he's gonna save their asses, but they're all going under with Bush's anchor strapped to their backs.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:47:32 PM EST
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To give you an idea: It was on the front page, above the fold, top-right of the WaPo this morning.  "The spot."

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:52:06 PM EST
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It's a start I guess.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:11:43 PM EST
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Oh, it was also the big story on the front page of MSNBC this morning.  Not sure about the Clinton News Network, and the NYT and the FT hadn't arrived yet when I left the apartment this morning.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:27:15 PM EST
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I couldn't find the story on the NYT website and I can't browse WaPo.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:56:00 PM EST
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I love that he has seriously suggested having the "troops out of iraq by 2013."  2013 sounds a loooong time off.  He and his advisers are clearly morons intent on losing this thing. Fantastic!
by paving on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:02:31 PM EST
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1 McCain = 8 Friedmans

There's always a new plan to find a pony in Iraq.

Except when there is no plan, as in this case.

Anyway, why do you hate freedom?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:09:25 PM EST
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Colman has been feeding my photography addiction this afternoon.

I gave blood earlier today.  My blood comes out very slowly apparently, giving me a full 15 minutes with the needle and a concerned nurse watching my blood drip out at it's most leisurely pace. So I need to drink more fluid, be less laid back and not so little next time.  

I felt reasonably ok until I got home and then projectile vomitted in the sink from about 6 feet away. A finely honed skill.

A night of chilling out is called for and we have another long bank holiday weekend to look forward to, Monday AND Tuesday off.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:17:31 PM EST
I thought the idea after giving blood was to go out on the razz. Leastways it was when I was a student.

I know I should give blood, but the idea gives me the yuggs. Not fond of needles, dislike bloodtests (and I have them regularly). The idea of sitting around watching my lifeblood drain away just makes me feel queasy.

You have my respect, I wish I could do it.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:23:20 PM EST
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Actually you may have a good excuse not to, since you take hormones, they don't take blood from people on certain types of medication.

I could not imagine going out on the razz... although I can see the appeal of that to students.

Hmm, the whole thing makes me really queasy too, and I hate needles but frequent blood tests have taught me how to relax myself to get through it.  Although perhaps I relax too much, making my blood slower. But it is yukky anyway, I'm glad I have a friend who goes with me.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:35:26 PM EST
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Don't they refuse blood from non-straight people ? As a TG I sneak in under that one.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:41:41 PM EST
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They won't accept blood from a man who has had sex with another man, or from a woman who has slept with a man who has had sex with another man, or from anyone engaging in high risk sexual activities, using prostitutes or having sex in Africa or with anyone from Africa.  They appear vague on TG.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:57:18 PM EST
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They won't accept blood ... from a woman who has slept with a man who has had sex with another man

Do they presume a blood donor would know about the sexual history of their partners?

They could just test all samples instead of instututing blanket bans like this.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:01:49 PM EST
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Yes, but the ban was instituted on a false and prejudiced premise. To remove the ban would be to admit that fact.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:05:49 PM EST
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What Helen said.
Obviously no, not all women will know or for that matter not everyone will be honest.  They have to check all blood anyway I think, at the very least for first time donors.  Even if a gay man has had an HIV test and is clear, he still will not be allowed to give blood.  It's incredibly unfair.  I diaried it 6 months ago when I last went.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:10:20 PM EST
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Actually, testing all samples is quite inefficient : blood tests are quite expensive. They simply mix a large quantity of samples together, and test the result. The downside is having to trash the large amount of blood if the test is positive. That's why they use statistically relevant information in deciding who donates blood. Of course, quite often the prejudices of the doctor or of the agency get in the way.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:43:07 AM EST
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You know as well as I do that to find a tainted sample among n takes only O(log(n)) tests...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:56:31 PM EST
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I'm not an industry specialist, but I had understood that the samples were already actually mixed...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 05:06:39 AM EST
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In the US, they also won't take blood from anyone who's travelled in Britain.  Also, no skinny people.  Those are the first two things on the long list of reasons I've never been able to donate blood.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:33:04 PM EST
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no skinny people? How is that defined? I donated back in college when I weighed 140lb at 6'2" (64kg and 1.87 for those of you from countries that have made it into the 19th century).
by MarekNYC on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:39:34 PM EST
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Well, as usual the rules make no sense -- there was some random cut-off weight that didn't take height into consideration.  I think it was 105 lbs. or something like it.  This was back in the early 80s.  I got a letter asking if I'd donate blood to replace the blood I'd gotten in transfusions.  Attached was a list of rules including the weight restriction and no donating if you'd had blood transfusions.  I haven't even bothered trying since.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:51:11 PM EST
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Weight makes sense - lower weight means much less blood available, and taking too much of your blood is bad for your health, obviously.

It's the same reasons for which light - not skinny - people get drunk much faster.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:46:16 AM EST
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Damn, I thought I was skinny.  That's friggin' skinny.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:52:12 PM EST
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I think they use weight here too (over 50kg or 7st12) but are requesting height and weight info now so maybe BMI (body mass index) will be used instead in future.  

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:04:22 PM EST
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who lived 6 years in the UK in the 90s is not allowed to donate blood in France.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:06:42 PM EST
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What's the reason for that ??

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:17:49 PM EST
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Mad cow.

As far as I can work out I'm banned in Ireland - I spent more than the limit in total in the UK working summers as a student.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:20:02 PM EST
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What if you'd lived a wholesome vegetarian life and never went near a cow?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:26:58 PM EST
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I don't think it matters.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:29:49 PM EST
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no, all sorts of places dont trust you to tell the truth about eating meat.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:33:44 PM EST
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But they apparently trust you to tell the truth about having had homosexual relations.  I've never understood that.

FWIW, I had some sketchy blood work done in Russia, so I think it's best I don't go around donating to the world whatever scariness might be lurking in my red cells.  Also, I have a pretty serious phobia about needles and blood, so I'm not inclined to do so to begin with.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
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Weren't we all supposed to be frothing at the mouth and falling over from BSE by now - 'epidemic', etc?

If there is an epidemic, it seems to have localised itself to Washington and Westminster.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:54:59 PM EST
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thats hardly a fair description of her. ;-)

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:32:49 PM EST
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Cooties.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:30:43 PM EST
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All of these events you describe represent a challenge to the documentary photographer. Are you telling us that you simply vicariously enjoyed them and failed to turn them into pictorial montages for us all to wonder at? ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:29:20 PM EST
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Ah I've already cleaned up the sink and I wasted my last 2 Holga exposures on my friend pulling faces and me drinking coffee after the blood letting.  Next time...

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:39:46 PM EST
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This is the sort of dedication we expect from our photographers. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:22:09 AM EST
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even though this thread is already dead, i would like to point out the pervasive but brilliant nature of the internet, and some of its supporters here.  How could Sven have captured the "dedication" of real photographers around the globe, and brought it here to us, without forgetting one's real life in slave to searching the net?  I only wish he would have posted the picture, which shows so graphically the intersection between javelin and skin.

Parenthetically, the man's a lucky bastarde.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:14:48 PM EST
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Digby muses on the problem that a lot of the new Dems getting elected in repug areas like Mississippi-01 are Bush Dogs who may cause problems downline.

quote from NYT but I'm not linking.

While much of the Congressional political focus has been on the declining fortunes and numbers of House Republicans, House Democrats have their own problem - they are winning too many elections.

By prevailing in conservative locales where they ordinarily would not have a chance, Democrats are widening the ideological divide in their own ranks and complicating their ability to find internal consensus.



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:19:35 PM EST
I wouldn't call Childers a Bush Dog.  I believe he's generally with us on everything but guns and Roe, which is better than being against us on everything.

Those are problems I can live with compared with the alternative.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:24:58 PM EST
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Ad campaign for NYC's biggest storage company, seen all over the Upper East Side a few months ago:

"Your closet's scarier than Bush's Agenda"

While googling for the image, I also found this one from last year:

by MarekNYC on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:20:12 PM EST
There's another one here

Your closet space is shrinking as fast as her right to choose

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:33:53 PM EST
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The council workers who have come to fence off and resurface a small area of the school playground are now into their third week, with two fence posts erected.

Admittedly, they were probably hobbled last week by the SATs, but every time I look out the window, they're standing around doing nothing.  And, with the assistance of a small mechanical digger, they've shifted less cubic meterage than a single nineteenth century canal builder could have managed in a day with a pick.

I'm all for Keynesian employment, but I'm getting a bit irritated.  They could be mowing lawns for the elderly or something.  Hell, they could be mowing mine.

by Sassafras on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:38:14 PM EST
Yup, no two ways about it. Some people just don't wanna get stuff done.

I still think I'm all right Jack was practically a documentary about worker - managment relations that's still pretty relevant.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:51:48 PM EST
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That movie is also interesting for showing the metric obsessed dissolution of Operational Research.

Actually I haven't watched it for a long time. Thanks for reminding me - it was a pivotal movie. And by the Boulting Twins!

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:18:57 PM EST
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Have to agree, one of the classics, along with "Battle of the Sexes" directed by Charles Crichton which masquerades as a man/woman comedy but is really all about industralisation...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:03:36 PM EST
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Oh no, don't tell me we have to Film blog these ;-)

However we could package it as 'The Origins of Anglo Disease' or 'Europe.was.doomed' and get a whole other audience. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:43:46 PM EST
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Sharp and Dry British Humour at the End of Empire?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:49:35 PM EST
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I should really be employed writing subheadlines in one of the redtops. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:58:07 PM EST
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Stranded in Suburbia - New York Times

I have seen the future, and it works.

O.K., I know that these days you're supposed to see the future in China or India, not in the heart of "old Europe."

But we're living in a world in which oil prices keep setting records, in which the idea that global oil production will soon peak is rapidly moving from fringe belief to mainstream assumption. And Europeans who have achieved a high standard of living in spite of very high energy prices -- gas in Germany costs more than $8 a gallon -- have a lot to teach us about how to deal with that world.

If Europe's example is any guide, here are the two secrets of coping with expensive oil: own fuel-efficient cars, and don't drive them too much.



The blurker formerly known as ignorant bystander.
by b--- (budr at hughes net) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:46:23 PM EST
I remember reading that before WWII LA was a poster child for integrated public transport. People used to come from all over the world to see how it worked. But the oil companies subsidized the building of the freeways and the deal was to rip up the tracks.

Just a couple of years back an abandoned railway up through N Hollywood was paved over to make a bus-lane.

It's going to be very hard to put that stuff back.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:57:32 PM EST
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When I was a kid in Long Beach, there were tracks down the middle of one of the major boulevards.  They were out of use and everyone bitched about them being an eyesore.  Finally, sometime in the late 80s, iirc, they tore them up and re-paved, etc.  Then they decided to run the metrolink down to LB and tore up the exact same street and put in new rails for the Blue Line.  I rode it a couple months ago and meant to blog it, but my camera ran out of batteries.  I'll be taking the trip again at some point.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:38:06 PM EST
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By and large, the Germans don't drive itsy-bitsy toy cars, but they do drive modest-sized passenger vehicles rather than S.U.V.'s and pickup trucks.

"modest" is not the first word that comes to mind when one considers cars in Germany. Only from America...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:04:54 PM EST
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Only from America...

Isn't there a song about that?  The Carpenters maybe?

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:18:31 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | MPs debating hybrid embryo laws

Allowing scientists to carry out stem cell research using hybrid human-animal embryos "is a step too far and should be banned", the Commons has heard.

Senior Tory MP Edward Leigh said there was "no evidence yet to substantiate" claims that this may lead to treatment for Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.

Gordon Brown has urged MPs to back the work, saying it is a "moral endeavour" that could save thousands of lives.

MPs are voting on a series of reforms to embryology laws that date from 1990.

The measures, part of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, are aimed at updating laws in line with scientific advances.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:52:48 PM EST
The hysteria over this from the right and religious groups has been ridiculous and yet scary at the same time, especially where abortion time limits are up for debate again.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:58:42 PM EST
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Senior Tory MP Edward Leigh said there was "no evidence yet to substantiate" claims that this may lead to treatment for Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.

Because the evidence would be a cure, but that's putting the cart before the horse. I love the way that legal minds seem to be able to grasp the inner workings of tax avoidance schemes, yet seem to remain impervious to the concept of the scientific method.

I don't mind the idea of a reasoned debate. But not this, which is carried out on such a fraudulent premise by people who so obviously don't understand the issue so that the end result has as much validity as debating how many angels dance on the head of a pin.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:03:53 PM EST
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I have sat all day looking and listening, and have yet to hear a single interviewer ask one of these objectors why they don't understand the meaning of the word research. and treating their answers seriously.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:40:22 PM EST
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Ah, but that'd be cos the journos are arts grads and don't understand the meaning of research either. To them research invovles checking known stuff on google or reading AP or Reuters feeds and making up stories after that.

Science is for nerdy geeks and it's beneath them.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:46:24 PM EST
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First of the votes are in

Guardian - Ban on hybrid embryos fails

An attempt to ban the use of hybrid human-animal embryos for scientific research was rejected in the House of Commons tonight. Voting was 176 to 336, a majority of 160, during the committee-stage debate on the human fertilisation and embryology bill

"debate" continues

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:37:35 PM EST
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Is there a party breakdown?

What worries me is that a NuCon majority would reverse those numbers, and we'd see the UK heading at best speed in the direction the US is about to reverse from.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:57:32 PM EST
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Reverse?  That'd be great.  Shit, I'd settle for stalling the momentum at this point.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:01:18 PM EST
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Yeah, but if we let the scientists do this, before you know it people will be sleeping with their pets.

Or something.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:00:21 PM EST
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it's gordo's secret plan to revitalise the flagging brit genome with a bit of rude hybrid vigour.

they thought that importing jamaicans would do it, but that didn't fly...

or swim, or something...

There are no blank spots on the map any more, anywhere on earth. You want a blank spot on the map, you gotta leave the map behind. Jon Krakauer

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:15:07 PM EST
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Ouch.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:18:31 PM EST
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The amendment to ban saviour siblings was also defeated, with a majority of 179.

Next up, the needs for fathers, and the abortion limit. I personally haven't enjoyed the way either of those debates have happened in the press. The very fact that the people keen to defeat the amendment presented new evidence against the viability of pre 26 week births, is a real problem. They might win the battle, but they lost the (framing) war.

Now everybody will expect the limit to shift back and forth as new evidence concerning viability is produced. If they had talked about women's rights, and won on those terms, it could have saved the issue for a much longer time.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:48:27 PM EST
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An example of fine, unbiased reporting by the BBC.

"Hybrid embryo research is wrong", the Commons has heard.

I suppose factual reporting like A Tory MP has given the Commons his opinion that hybrid embryo research is wrong is too much to ask?

by Sassafras on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:03:50 PM EST
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That would be twice as many words in the headline, as well as a complete, grammatical sentence.

Definitely too much to ask.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:20:03 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Entertainment | San Marino's big musical moment

The tiny state of San Marino is poised to take a great leap when it takes part in the Eurovision Song Contest for the very first time.

The Appenine country surrounded entirely by Italy - population 31,000, popular exports stamps and coins - is pinning its hopes on five-piece band Miodio to make a musical impression with their song Complice.

So why has the small republic, said to be the world's oldest, decided to join the Eurovision family?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:56:31 PM EST
Does anybody actually take it serously ?



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:08:47 PM EST
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Spiegel Online: Negotiators Gather in Dublin to Ban Cluster Bombs

Almost 10 years after the Ottawa Treaty banned the use of landmines, more than 100 countries are gathering on Monday to attempt to ban cluster bombs as well. However, the United States and other big producers will not be attending. Washington is arguing that the proposed treaty threatens to undermine the very fabric of NATO...

The biggest producers of the cluster weapons, the United States, China, Israel and Russia, are not attending the 12-day conference and have been lobbying hard to have it watered down. Benjamin Chang, a spokesman for the US mission to the United Nations, told Reuters that Washington is opposed to any ban. "We do not believe they are indiscriminate weapons."

Some of those who are attending, particularly the United Kingdom, are hoping to secure exemptions on certain weapons, or have more time to dismantle their arsenal. And there is also a push by allies of the US to scrap or water down a key clause that would prohibit signatories from mounting joint operations with any state that uses cluster bombs, something the US argues would make the alliance almost unworkable.

Humanitarian organizations are pushing for a complete ban, which they argue would be a measure comparable in importance to the ban on the use of land mines agreed in 1999. Groups such as Human Rights Watch emphasize the danger cluster weapons pose to civilians in particular. Dropped from planes or fired from artillery, cluster bombs explode in mid-air, randomly scattering bomblets. Many fail to explode and are scattered across terrain, causing death or injury to civilians -- particularly children who sometimes mistake them for toys.

The International Committee of the Red Cross says it continues to see the consequence of the bombs. "Cluster munitions are weapons that never stop killing," ICRC President Jakob Kellenberger said in a statement last week.

by Magnifico on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:44:36 PM EST
Y'know NATO must be a weaker organisation than I thought if the idea of taking away one of their nastier toys would destroy its very fabric.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 02:54:47 PM EST
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MI5 spy wife was Formula One chief's Teutonic thrash tart | The Register

The case of Formula One boss Max Mosley and his uniformed prostitute flagellation orgy took a new twist over the weekend, as it emerged that one of the ladies of negotiable affection involved was married to an MI5 operative.

The Sunday Times reports that the Security Service (MI5) officer in question was forced to resign last month, for failing to disclose the nature of his wife's work during vetting procedures. The man, said to be in his 40s, was a former Royal Marine who had worked in surveillance while in the forces.

just when you thought a story couldn't get any stranger.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:42:26 PM EST
I saw that earlier and cleansed it from my brain. Thanks for reminding me.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:44:19 PM EST
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sorry.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:45:31 PM EST
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"Teutonic Thrash Tart" As the saying goes 'good band name' ;)  I guess either they're paying MI-5 officers pretty badly, or this is one of those rare prostitutes who enjoys her work.
by MarekNYC on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:48:41 PM EST
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Of course they're badly paid, they're civil servants and they do it for the early retirement and generous index-linked pension

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:51:57 PM EST
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I dunno, you just can't get the staff these days. It was much easier when agents like Bond flaunted their misogyny.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:50:01 PM EST
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Apparently their website is down. It used to look like this.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:50:46 PM EST
Oh crumbs, i forgot Bill Kristol was the chairman. Oh dear, did they forget to pay the bill ? hee heee

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 03:54:03 PM EST
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either that or the "sekrit conspiricy" has a new website for us to track down.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:08:08 PM EST
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So much for the perpetual majority.

And so the Intertoobz have their revenge.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:04:05 PM EST
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And so the Intertoobz have their revenge.

Yes. We. Can. (Haz.)

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:11:00 PM EST
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rule #4: anyone that writes a book titled "the end of history" gets shot into outer space.

I am finally 100% over the flu. I can run up the stairs at work without getting winded again. Just in time for summer. Still gotta drop my 5 lbs of winter weight for beach season.

Going to see Richie Hawtin (plastikman) in two weeks, and I'm going to a rave down in the big sur mountains in three weeks. I can't wait.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:05:12 PM EST


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 05:48:42 PM EST
A man who was famous for being on a BBC citizen advocacy program

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:01:22 PM EST
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advocating Wanking?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:08:59 PM EST
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No - about the importance of seeing your spin doctor regularly.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:11:23 PM EST
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