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It's the day of three storm bands today. The middle one, whose edge just moved off from above me, produced widespread hailstorms (up to 3cm) and at least one tornado to the South and East of me.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:58:25 PM EST

You live in a trailer park in Kansas? ;-)

Seriously, glad you're alright.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:01:19 PM EST
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I note storm prediction meteorology is getting better. They issued a category 3 (strongest) storm warning in the early morning, and the monster storm came, and the areas hit were just as predicted.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:01:59 PM EST
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I regret to inform you that the Enhanced Fujita Scale for tornado intensity runs from EF-0 to EF-5. EF-5 can http://produce 3 second wind bursts of 200mph or approximately 320 kph. NOAA tornado faq On Feb.5,'08 an EF-3 touched down within about 10 miles of our house and proceeded to annihilate much of the neighboring metropolis of Gassville, Arkansas. Fortunately, it lifted back up about 5 miles west of our home and thus spared Mountain Home, Arkansas. An EF-3 was quite sufficient for us and has us more urgently considering investing in a storm shelter.

Am I correct in my surmise that the tornado pictured occurred in Central Europe? How frequent are such events in your locale?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:44:19 PM EST
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"Category 3 storm warning" doesn't refer to the EF scale of tornadoes, but the Hungarian Meteorological Office's scale of storm warnings. (A Category 3, color code red, means that people are advised to stay inside or at least away from old trees and such.)

Am I correct in my surmise that the tornado pictured occurred in Central Europe?

Yes, in the South-Eastern part of Hungary. And yes, such events are rather rare here: between one every few years and a couple in one year, and usually the weakest sort. In fact I think this is the very first one filmed by stormchasers (a relatively new and increasingly popular hobby here).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:02:35 PM EST
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Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 4)

Pray that Central Europeans continue to have no need to become acquainted with the Enhanced Fujita Scale. By eyeball, I would say that the tornado pictured is a one or a two. Standard advice in the US midwest is to go to the lowest level of your house and into an interior, windowless room. Tornados can accelerate 2"x4" lumber to velocities of 150-200 mph.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:09:23 PM EST
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Gay wedding for Star Trek's Takei

Sorry, I muffed the link. See below:

The NOAA FAQ on tornados

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:51:39 PM EST
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Heart-warming story (4.00 / 3)

"We've travelled the world together from Europe to Asia to Australia. We've shared the good times as well as struggled through the bad.
"He helped me care for my ailing mother who lived with us for the last years of her life. He is my love and I can't imagine life without him."

That's what it is all about, really. I send my love to them.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 12:59:24 PM EST

I've just realised that there is no real reason not to resurrect last year's plan to do a couple of weeks train travel across Europe later in the year, assuming Mammon smiles upon us. Hmm.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:01:26 PM EST

Microsoft's Ballmer attacked by egg-tosser | InfoWorld | News | 2008-05-19 | By John Fontana, Network World

Hopefully i'll be in Bremen at that point, which has a train station, most loikely with baby changing stations, like all ICEs here, unless they've been privatized by then.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:09:28 PM EST
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Some people hate Micro$soft (none / 1)

Budapest Technical University, yesterday, M$ head Steve Ballmer speaks:

From another camera angle:

The attacker says in very bad English (but probably not worse than mine...): "Hey, You! Microsoft has caused 25 billion Forint [€100 million] damage to the Hungarian people. Give the money back! Right now!"

(Of course, all others who came to see Ballmer have another view, and you can hear their outrage in the second video.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:19:03 PM EST

Re: Some people hate Micro$soft (none / 1)

Regarding very bad English...

Despite the attacker mostly speaking in Hungarian, at one point he begins talking in English and is heard to say: "...to the Hungarian people, give that money back, right now."

"Mostly speaking in Hungarian", LOL...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:21:17 PM EST
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Re: Some people hate Micro$soft (4.00 / 3)

And somewhere in Cupertino, Steve Jobs spit his coffee out laughing this morning.

Ballmer didn't throw a chair at the kid, did he?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:52:06 PM EST
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Big hat tip to Hungary (none / 0)

for holding events without the paranoia industry and letting harmless insurgency run its course. The public reacted normally and the insurgent removed himself like a responsible citizen.

I wish Ballmer learned a lesson and thanked Hungary, because in a US university, just that, could have become a tragedy, since the automatons always assume there are weapons involved.

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._

by metavision on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 02:37:59 PM EST
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Ted Kennedy apparently has a malignant brain tumor. That's sad.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 01:53:24 PM EST

After those seizures, that's what I feared.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:03:52 PM EST
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A particularly bad one, too: Glioblastoma Multiforme apparently. Median survival time with treatment is 14 months.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:12:12 PM EST
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At his age?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:00:04 PM EST
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Well, that's the median. It could be a couple months, could be two years.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:06:29 PM EST
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did you know that old age actually mitigates the expansion speed of cancer cells?

slower metabolism actually works in one's favour, as far as i understand.

teddy's had a great run.

long may it last...

There are no blank spots on the map any more, anywhere on earth. You want a blank spot on the map, you gotta leave the map behind. Jon Krakauer

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 09:15:28 AM EST
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This news is sad to me as well.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:13:31 PM EST
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Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 4)

Er, my Film Blog is turning into a novel. If it is going to be the May film blog, I may have to start issuing it in serial form a la Dickens...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:13:11 PM EST

Can you do an executive summary at the top? A sort of photo-op of the philosophy congress.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:22:38 PM EST
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It's up. Go show me some love.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:44:33 PM EST
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Native American honorifics (none / 1)

Crazy Horse has been explaining to us elsewhere the process by which native American names are given (by tribal tradition). The names do not describe the person, but are extensions like the leg or foot.

We thought we'd suggest some tribal names for ETers for your amusement. Ceebs came up with the brilliant 'He-who-walks-with-short-legged-dogs'. I am sure you know who it is. Please send us your best tries.

I wanted to be Locoweed Magpie, but I am told I cannot choose my own name.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:17:22 PM EST

"Shining Head" has also been suggested.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:19:48 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (4.00 / 2)

Uhhh, that would be Chief Shining Head to you, Mr. British Pie.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:35:33 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (4.00 / 2)

'Passing Wind' lives near Paris. He knows who he is ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:31:13 PM EST
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Well, he may live near Paris, but the neighbors of his studio in 18th Arrondisement recognize the name. ;-)

Speaking of Paris, the Iroquois are not the only tribe with a french name. (Of course, in Onondagan they are the Haudenosaunee, in Mohawk Rotinnosonni.) I'm thinking of Nez Perce. Can anyone think of any others?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:39:58 PM EST
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"Iroquois" is the Frenchification of their name, not their original name.

Wiki

The word Iroquois has many potential origins.
First, the Haudenosaunee (People of the Longhouse) often ended their oratory with the phrase hiro kone;[2] hiro translates as "I have spoken", and kone can be translated several ways, the most common being "in joy", "in sorrow", or "in truth". Hiro kone to the French encountering the Haudenosaunee would sound like "Iroquois", pronounced iʁokwe in the French language of the time.
Another version is however supported by French linguists such as Henriette Walter and historians such as Dean Snow[3]. According to this account, "Iroquois" would derive from a Basque expression, Hilokoa, meaning the "killer people". This expression would have been applied to the Iroquois because they were the enemy of the local Algonquians, with whom the Basque fishermen were trading. However, because there is no "l" in the Algonquian languages of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence region, the name became "Hirokoa", which is the name the French understood when Algonquians referred to the same pidgin language as the one they used with the Basque. The French then transliterated the word according to their own phonetic rules, thus providing "Iroquois".
Yet another alternate possible origin of the name Iroquois is reputed to come from a French version of a Huron (Wyandot) name--considered an insult--meaning "Black Snakes". The Iroquois were enemies of the Huron and the Algonquin, who allied with the French, because of their rivalry in the fur trade.

Here, the French showed up and heard "Illiniwek" as "Illinois".

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:07:54 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (4.00 / 2)

cheyenne?

or does that just sound french?

There are no blank spots on the map any more, anywhere on earth. You want a blank spot on the map, you gotta leave the map behind. Jon Krakauer

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:08:25 PM EST
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What is the origin of the word "Cheyenne"?

Various proposals have been given for the origin of the word "Cheyenne". Some have suggested that it comes from French fur traders, who named Cheyennes with the French word "chien," meaning "dog." Further suggested in this folk etymology is that that name would make sense because at the time of French-Cheyenne contact, the Cheyennes did not yet have horses, but were using dogs for pulling their travois, loaded with their tepees and other supplies.
More often it is suggested that "Cheyenne" derives from a Sioux word. The Sioux words most often cited have meanings related to 'red' or 'alien'. Sometimes the meaning has been given in the literature as "those who speak an alien tongue."
These Siouan explanations are reasonable, but they do not stand up to the most rigorous linguistic and historical analysis. Ives Goddard, Algonquianist and a curator at the Smithsonian Institution, says (personal email communication, 28 May 1997]:
There is no question about the etymology of Cheyenne. It comes into English from French; the J.B. Franquelin map of 1678-1679 has Chaiena, a direct rendering of Dakota (dialect) šahíyena (Riggs 1890, p. 440)], corresponding to Lakota (dialect) šahíyela. This is the regular diminutive of šahíya, the name of the Cree. So the Cheyenne are [called] the "little Cree" [by the Sioux].

Sioux

The name "Sioux" is an abbreviated form of Nadouessioux borrowed into French Canadian from Nadoüessioüak from the early Odawa exonym: naadowesiwag "Sioux".[6] It was first used by Jean Nicolet in 1640.[3]

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:14:44 PM EST
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In my other life I was known as "Chief Thunderclap," thank you!!

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:16:45 PM EST
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My childhood nickname was hardhead. Originally based on an physical incident, it was, and probably still is, apt on many levels.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:36:02 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (none / 0)

Is that why you have poor memory?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:41:11 PM EST
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Heh. Could be.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:42:47 PM EST
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Chief Makes Lightning.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:44:45 PM EST
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"He-Who-Walks-Clumsily" seems a good fit, having just about killed myself a minute ago.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:51:27 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (4.00 / 4)

If we're going to play this game, i humbly suggest that riffs on "Dances With Wolves" be penalized.

But we have no sympathy for you skinny guys when you fall, as there's no real impact, other than gravity. ;-)

If i were to come up with a native name for you, i couldn't, because there's no word for "cynical." (Said with a smiley of respect for your political astuteness.)

I would call you "Dances Against Penn." PENALTY! GELBE KARTE!

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:00:20 PM EST
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what are the Female honorifics? with males you get Chief, do you use the same with female names?

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:04:14 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (4.00 / 7)

Ummm...you mean "She who must be Obeyed" ?

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:16:10 PM EST
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Re: Native American honorifics (4.00 / 9)

First, Chief is not an honorific, rather a title.

In many native societies, Clan Mother carries at least the same weight.

For example, in Rotinnosonni (Mohawk) society, the women held the power of impeachment. The Chiefs were approved by the Clan Mothers, and it was only they who had the right to remove the men. If a Chief was not obeying the will of the Clan Mother's circle, she would send a warrior to inform him. He was always given the chance to have second warning, which was more public. There would be no third warning, simply, his antlers were removed by force if necessary.

This right of impeachment from the oldest WORKING democracy in the world was studied by Ben Franklin in great detail, as he spent several decades learning it's methods. (When he invited Thomas Paine to come from England, he recommended that Paine learn basic Mohawk so he could attend the treaty meetings to see democracy in action. Ben's second greatest income after the Farmer's Almanac was the publication of treaty minutes with the Iroquois.) Among other practices taken from his understanding of the Iroquois Confederacy was the idea of impeachment. Sadly, he gave it to the men, though Pelosi doesn't honor the tradition well.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:23:54 PM EST
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Re: Native American (4.00 / 2)

More of this stuff CH - we have much to learn from the highly evolved ancient democracies that were destroyed by the Graeco-Roman rooted cultures.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:35:13 PM EST
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Re: Native American (4.00 / 7)

Sven, it's a pet subject of mine. I've done extensive research into the Native origins of amurkan democracy, but the manuscript i eventually wrote is lost to me now. It was cited in Jerry Mander's book "In the Absence of the Sacred," so he has a copy (and i saw him again is SF a few months ago).

The whole story of "contact" between the cultures is fascinating. Did you know that early US settlers often tried to recapture settlers taken by "Indians" only to find that they didn't want to leave? Especially women, as European women had never before experienced equality and respect.

There was so much of the European "Enlightenment" based upon the early contact with "natural man." Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes. One of the most popular French novels of the 17th century was a supposed recount of a trader's experience with "natives." (Why can't i remember the name?)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:05:47 PM EST
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Re: Native American (4.00 / 2)

Well I hope we could have more insights from your research - seems fairly illuminating of the democracy debate.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:09:56 PM EST
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Cynical? I think our official Cynical Brits, TBG and Helen, would disagree there.

"Dances on Penn" perhaps?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:38:10 PM EST
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I have no skill with such framing... but Caol Ila needs to feature somewhere.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:47:07 PM EST
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Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 8)

Dang.

The Berlin Philharmonic Hall is on fire.

This is one of the best if not THE best concert hall in the world.

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:09:40 PM EST

Do you think there's a connection between this fire at the most acoustically perfect building in the world, and iTunes juxtaposing Les Miserables with Jesus and Mary Chain? I know how the Chinese would vote.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:17:31 PM EST
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No.

;-)

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:13:27 PM EST
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A week ago there was other remarkable fire, at the Technical University of Delft, in the Netherlands. The faculty of architecture went in flames.

by das monde on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:55:33 PM EST
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Human fertilisation and Embryology Bill (4.00 / 4)

The Guardian has a breakdown of how Cabinet and Shadow cabinet members voted:

Cabinet (Labour): 16 in favour of allowing hybrid embryo research, three against, three non-voters.

Shadow cabinet (Conservatives): 7 in favour of research (including the Party leader, David Cameron), 13 against, 5 non-voters.

by Sassafras on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:55:28 PM EST

Re: Human fertilisation and Embryology Bill (4.00 / 4)

On the HFE Bill today:

I've decided that the award for the most ridiculous intervention during today's debate goes to Desmond Swayne.

And the award for the most decent but utterly unimpressive speech goes to Chris McCafferty. I agree with where she seemed to be coming from, but she was frankly terrible.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:50:26 PM EST
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Re: Human fertilisation and Embryology Bill (4.00 / 2)

20 week abortion limit has just been knocked back by a surprisingly large majority

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:04:54 PM EST
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Re: Human fertilisation and Embryology Bill (4.00 / 3)

BBC: MPs reject 20 week abortion limit

Tory MP Nadine Dorries, an ex-nurse, who proposed the 20-week limit, said she was not anti-abortion, but said the baby involved "had rights".
But her proposed cut was defeated by 332 votes to 190. MPs also voted down plans for a 12 or 16 week limit.
Pro-choice campaigners dismissed efforts to cut the limits as "cynical".

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:07:09 PM EST
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Re: Human fertilisation and Embryology Bill (4.00 / 3)

All amendments defeated. Good news.

But gosh, what a scare.

Member of the Anti-Fabulousness League since 1987.

by Ephemera on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:18:40 PM EST
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Re: Human fertilisation and Embryology Bill (4.00 / 4)

the margin was far wider than I expected

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:06:31 PM EST
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Another night of terror in Gauteng : Mail & Guardian Online

As oil price goes up, Us trade deficit goes up, dollar goes down - , dollar-denominated assets and bank accounts devalue. At what point are Gulf States stop to pay the bill?

(far more basic: what really is the % of that crude oil actually earned by Aramco and its equivalents?)

so much to ask, so much forgotten or unnoticed. perhaps 30% of portuguese economy's major companies are detained by Sonangol (Angola National Oil Company), a friend of mine suggested. Many yers ago he was installing solig gold pipes on Luanda's bay Villas.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:02:56 PM EST

Another night of violence (4.00 / 5)

Sigh. It's still spreading. Every township get its turn...

In Kagiso, west of Johannesburg, many foreigners, mostly women and children, started arriving at the Kagiso police station early on Tuesday evening, saying they were fleeing sporadic fighting in the area that had been going on since the previous night.

Dozens of people were arriving in trucks and vans, with some running along the road, to seek safety. Some parents had sent their children away to family members living around the area while they sought sanctuary at the police station.

At least 50 refugees had to be redirected to another police station that had more space to accommodate them.

And there are cryptic hints being given of "a third force" behind the attacks. The NIA is investigating - fuel to the flames of a Zimbabwe conspiracy?

Another night of terror in Gauteng : Mail & Guardian Online

The National Intelligence Agency is involved in the investigation to uncover the root of the xenophobic violence. Agency spokesperson Lorna Daniels on Tuesday confirmed the involvement of the agency, saying the body is working with the police and other law-enforcement agencies. She did not elaborate further.

Gauteng minister of sport Barbara Creecy -- speaking on behalf of community safety minister Firoz Cachalia -- at the Gauteng legislature on Tuesday said police had "concrete evidence" of a suspected "third force" involvement in the attacks.

Provincial African National Congress spokesperson Nkenke Kekana said there had to be a "hidden hand" aiming to destabilise communities in the province, which is Southern Africa's economic hub. The party's provincial leadership was to receive reports from its branches and members on the ground at a meeting later on Tuesday.

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

by Nomad on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:31:48 PM EST

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 07:21:44 PM EST

Thanks, rg, for a perfect end to this almost critical mass evening on ET.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 08:44:01 PM EST
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Wonderful. Thanks rg.

Blaugustine

by Augustinatalie (endapressNOTblueyonderNOTcoNOTuk) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 09:28:25 PM EST
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