Lisbon Referendum detritus

by Colman
Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:49:51 AM EST

Well, the Lisbon Treaty referendum campaign is on here, and I suppose I'd better try to comment on it occasionally.

Martin Turner in the Irish Times has a succinct summary of the no campaign:

More, sadly depressing, bits and pieces below ...


As far as I can tell from my limited media exposure - I don't do much TV or radio - the main themes of the No campaign are:

  • The Lisbon treaty is bad for workers. Personally, I think voting for governments who promise to follow neo-liberal policies is what's bad for workers, but what would I know?

  • The Lisbon treaty is bad for business - something to do with red tape or taxes or plague or something. This is mainly pushed by the " employees of a company with links to the US military", as the Irish Times story today puts it. You heard it here first ...

  • The Lisbon Treaty will undermine Irish neutrality This is a country which has acted as a refuelling station for the US War on Terra, so I'm not sure what they mean by neutrality. This particular accusation has been trotted out for every EU treaty I can remember and we're still not members of NATO.

  • The Lisbon Treaty is too complicated for anyone to understand Normally followed immediately by a detailed discussion of the other negative consequences of the treaty. Asking how the author/speaker knows what the problems are with a treaty he/she can't understand is apparently uncivil.

  • The Lisbon Treaty will destroy our freedom Little Irelanders and others with a sovereignty fetish. The posters pushing this line are associated with anti-Abortion campaigners with alleged links to European neo-Nazis.

  • The Lisbon Treaty will allow Europe to impose abortion / homosexuality /gay marriage / bestiality / atheism or whatever other sins you can think of on Ireland and God will rain fire upon us Uh-huh.

  • The Lisbon Treaty is bad because other countries aren't having referendums That would be their internal problem, surely? This is often said by staunch believers in national sovereignty.

  • The Lisbon Treaty will reduce our voice in Europe This is because Ireland will only get to nominate a commission for 10 out of 15 years. The side issue that commissioners do not represent countries - or that the current Irish nominee has been something of a pain in the neck for the government - is ignored.

I may be missing something, but that's what the No campaigns have managed to communicate to me.

The Yes campaign can be summed up as "Europe made us rich. Let's get richer." I haven't actually learned anything from their campaign at this stage, possibly because I'm already well briefed on the topic.

The polls currently stand at 2:1 in favour of the treaty, but with less than half the electorate decided and probably a low turn-out. Turn-out will be crucial - no voters will be more motivated than yes voters and we could easily get a replay of the first Nice treaty referendum where the treaty failed because the yes vote couldn't be bothered turning up. The main political parties will be working hard to avoid that, but I wouldn't be surprised if the treaty falls with a 30% turn-out or something stupid like that.

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Sinn Fein are also busy defending the low Corporation Tax rate in Ireland, which is sort of amusing for a left-wing party.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:52:43 AM EST
It is heartening to see how readily so many people will leap to the defense of the corporations. What would poor, defenseless Microsoft do without them?
by det on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:09:11 AM EST
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Come to think of it, both Libertas and Sinn Fein rely on money from America  for a lot of their income.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:10:52 AM EST
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I always find SF amusing when it comes to Europe. I always want to ask them: Have you ever supported any EU treaty (the answer is no) and why not?

Otherwise, as an Irish expat (working in Europe), it annoys me that the government always schedules votes on Thursday. It means that I can't get home to vote... I'm always a yes voter, so it's their loss...

by piobar on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:46:03 AM EST
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But they're a pro-Europe party, mind you.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:47:21 AM EST
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In the caricature, the Libertas guy is Declan Ganley. As for the SP, do the two figures stand for real politicians, or stereotypes?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:19:36 AM EST
Gerry Adams, SF leader, and Mary Lou MacDonald, SF MEP.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:20:23 AM EST
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Ah, SF.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 06:59:51 AM EST
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The new Taoiseach, Brian Cowen, has made the Lisbon Referendum his no. 1 immediate priority, and given he is a formidable political operator still in his honeymoon period, that means the referendum will probably be carried.  

The political establishment will be careful not to repeat the mistakes and complacency of Nice 1, and the  laughable nature of much of the no campaign will not help their credibility.   When Bertie resigned he took much of the anti-government sentiment which was fueling the no campaign with him, and so I would expect to see the referendum now passed, albeit with a low poll and possibly a relatively narrow majority.

Sinn Fein and the No campaigners will treat even a wide margin of defeat as a major victory, given that they can scarcely muster 10% of the electorate between them when it comes to a general election.

However the emergence of shadowy groups like Libertas and Coir marks a new low in democratic politics in Ireland, and it is to be hoped that they will be resoundingly defeated.  

The Irish Times has now run with the story Colman and I flagged in an LTE they failed to publish - linking Declan Ganly to the US security establishment - although not making explicit that establishments opposition to the Lisbon Treaty.  For the record, our LTE (published in large part by the Sunday Business Post) was as follows:

Declan Ganley, a multi-millionaire estimated to be worth €300M, is Chairman of the self-styled "think-tank" Libertas which,  according to the Sunday Business Post (27/1/08), is expected to fund its €1.5M anti-Treaty campaign mainly by way of loans and direct contributions from Ganley's own resources.  Declan Ganley is also Chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks, a US Defense contractor with former Generals, Admirals, and key members of the US defense establishment on its board.

According to Jane's Intelligence Digest (17/1/08, "New EU treaty worries US intel services")  "United States policymakers are concerned its provisions could present serious challenges to transatlantic intelligence and homeland security co-operation."....  "US intelligence and security officials have been able to circumvent EU institutions in many cases so far by relying extensively on formal and informal arrangements with the individual member governments. In addition, Washington has felt confident that its European allies would use their powers to veto unwelcome EU-wide proposals in areas related to security and defence. If adopted, the Lisbon treaty could threaten many of these arrangements. "

In other words, the US intelligence establishment is confident that Ireland, acting on its own, would never effectively oppose such things as rendition flights through Shannon, whereas the EU, with a strengthened Common Foreign and Security Policy and a legally binding Charter of Fundamental Rights, just might.

Could there be a connection here?



"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:22:17 PM EST
Thanks for that. You're right about Bertie deflating some of the anti-government feeling: I suspect that was part of the reason he left.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:46:00 PM EST
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It certain;y influenced his timing - after his address to the joint Houses of Congress and before the Referendum.  I wouldn't be surprised if Cowen now also hobbled the Tribunals by giving them a fixed and limited budget to complete their work - all in the name of financial stringency you understand....

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:58:05 PM EST
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Colman and everyone else in Eire, is anyone trying to explain what the Treaty is?

Last time the media (and everyone else) in Portugal never explained properly to the public what the treaty meant. We didn't get to voting, because our brilliant politicos never arrived to a question good enough for the Constitutional Court to pass. But had we voted I believe the No would have won.

Time and again, the main issued raised against the Constitution project was that it didn't made reference to the Christian roots of our culture and law...

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 05:02:24 AM EST
Surely Roman roots of our law might be more correct?
by det on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 05:33:00 AM EST
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Not really.  The YES campaign is too busy trying to counter spurious arguments - as enumerated by Colman - that have little if anything to do with the Treaty itself.  The problem is that large sections of the Treaty are almost unreadable, and the thrust of the Treaty is largely technical adjustments to previous Treaties made necessary by the enlargement and development of the EU itself.

The EU as a technocratic creation is of little interest to people, and many voters are too young to remember the idealistic context from which the EU was born.  The fact that it has enabled 60 years of peaceful and prosperous co-existence is taken for granted, and there is little vision or understanding of how the EU might help its members to address the global challenges ahead.

The opposition is made up largely of nutters - religious, business and nationalistic, who appeal to a "pure", "neutral" and "independent" Ireland that never was and never will be.  There is a growing sense that the world is becoming a very big and frightening place - with wars, famines, and catastrophes around every corner -  and that the EU is becoming a bureaucratic monster remote from the fears and feeling of real people.

And the Treaty has become emblematic of that complexity that people find difficult to understand.  However when the drafters did try to produce a clear and simple constitution it was rejected partly for irrelevant domestic reasons, and partly because there is no clear and simple vision that all share and can aspire to.

Perhaps the charter of fundamental rights comes closest - to an inspirational document that people can sign up to, but the EU itself is made up primarily of member states rather than citizens, and thus its internal workings are perceived as too complex for many citizens to comprehend.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 01:14:50 PM EST
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There are (virtually) no "Christian roots" to be found in modern European law and culture. Since about 1650, Christianity has been dragged by its hair, kicking and screaming, into modernity, always a century or two behind the times on ethics, science, culture and all the other markers of civilisation.

Christianity has proven time and time again that it has no legitimate role in a government by the people, of the people and for the people, and the treaties are based on this fact.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 07:35:42 AM EST
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Whilst not wishing to dispute your points in any way, I think  Luis de Sousa is correct that many (mostly conservative) people are opposed (or at least not enthusiastically for) the Lisbon Treaty because they do believe that Christianity is a strong foundation stone for "Europe" and should receive some at least nominal recognition in the Treaty Text.  

They see a constitution as expressing their "identity" and want it to reflect their "values".  They want "Europe" to be recognised as predominantly Christian in much the same way as they see many Middle Eastern States self-identifying as Islamic - without necessarily thinking this through or wanting to explicitly exclude non-Christians from the EU.  It may also be as much a cultural as a religious self-identification as most of these same people would support the right of religious freedom within an EU defined as predominantly culturally Christian, or originating from Christian realm.

The great danger of including any reference to Christianity in the "constitution" is that it becomes a Trojan horse from which all sorts of conservative agendas can be launched, not to mention the offense it would cause to many non-Christians.  However a clause acknowledging the Christian, Social Democratic, Egalitarian and Enlightenment origins of many Europeans but placing no restriction on how the EU might evolve might have reduced the perceived "technocratic" and secular (= anti-religious - to those conservatives) nature of the EU.

The reality, of course, is that the EU is in transition with many people still with strong religious beliefs, and many more ranging from indifferent to strongly hostile to all religion.  The cleanest break is to say simply that the EU project simply isn't about religion or even specific cultural expression or belief at all but merely a means of bringing together vast numbers of people of very different beliefs - many of whom have immigrated to Europe and do not share in historic European traditions and conflicts.  However that still leaves the problem of how to encourage a more active engagement of a far wider range of citizenry with the EU as something which represents their ideals and their future.

There is almost no discussion of the founding ideals of the EU in the Irish Referendum debate.  Everything has been reduced to the narrowest possible definitions of national self interest.  We do need to articulate a more unifying narrative which focuses on what the EU brings to the party, how the EU is more than, and greater than the sum of its parts, and essential to meeting the larger global challenges facing all Europeans.  

Thus looking backwards to disputed cultural/religious heritages is not the answer, but neither is the narrow nationalistic debate we are currently having.  Luis de Sousa's comments point the need to create that larger popular narrative that the vast majority of Europeans can relate to and be inspired by - otherwise the debate will continue to be framed negatively by the religious, nationalistic, and business bigots who want the EU shaped in their interest.

The EU made a significant contribution to the resolution of the N.I. Troubles, but the debate on the Lisbon Treaty makes no reference to this.  Why not?  Because the pluralistic, tolerant, and inclusive vision which is at the heart of the EU is not adequately articulated in the Treaty.  Ultimately the EU will die if it comes to be seen as simply the creature of the technocrats - we have to articulate an alternative vision which the vast majority of Europeans can identify with - in the same way as the vast majority of people in Ireland, North and south, have bought into the inclusive vision of Ireland articulated by the Good Friday Agreement.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 03:27:26 PM EST
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But Europe is not "culturally" Christian now and hasn't been for the last several centuries. Europe is built on the values of modernity - most prominently "egalité, liberté, fraternité" and "by the people, of the people, for the people."

Claiming these to be Christian values is about as credible and historically justified as Shell and Exxon mobile claiming to be in the business of sustainable energy. When the oil corporations do that, we call it greenwashing and generally consider it dishonest. I don't see why we should cut the theology corporations any more slack.

That is not to say that Christianity has not played a role in the formation and unification of Europe. But if we are going to list all the major influences on contemporary European culture and politics, then colonialism, imperialism and militarism belong there even more than Christianity. After all, militaristic imperialism and colonialism fuelled the Great Wars in the first half of the last century - wars that were arguably the most direct reason for the establishment of the Union.

But I don't think that any of us would want to write militant imperialism into our constitution.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 04:25:06 AM EST
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