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European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 3. June

by Fran
Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:42:11 PM EST

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1832 - Alexandre Charles Lecocq, a French musical composer, was born. (d. 1918)

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:42:52 PM EST
Macedonian Election Goes to Incumbent | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 02.06.2008
After snap elections marred by violence, Macedonian conservative leader Nikola Gruevski claimed overwhelming victory.

Based on a count of some 80 percent of the vote, Prime Minister Gruevski said his VMRO-DPMNE "For a Better Macednoia" coalition will have more than 60 mandates in the 120-seat parliament.

"This is an historic victory," said Gruevski in Skopje late Sunday, June 1. He promised improved ties to the EU and NATO.

Gruevski said he regretted the election violence that had led to death of one person and many injuries. Voting had to be stopped in 20 sites, mostly in minority-Albanian areas.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  Graffiti artists played on violence theme

Gruevski said the vote should be repeated there.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:46:31 PM EST
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EU accused of 'step back' in transparency - EUobserver

EU accused of 'step back' in transparency - EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The EU's transparency watchdog will today strongly criticise the European Commission's commitment to openness, saying its recent proposals on document access represent a "step backwards."

At a hearing in parliament on Monday afternoon (2 June) to discuss the proposed overhaul of public access to document rules, EU ombudsman Nikiforos Diamandouros will say: "The commission's proposals would mean access to fewer, not more, documents" and that the new code "ignores the lessons of the past."

The ombudsman, who oversees EU citizens' relations with the European institutions, has not been able to "identify any of the commission's proposals that would result in more documents being accessible than at present."

The criticism comes a month after the commission unveiled proposals to update a 2001 law on document transparency that has been subject to strong criticism by MEPs and NGOs for being too restrictive.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:48:08 PM EST
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Most Turks keen to join EU - EUobserver

The majority of Turkish people today favour joining the EU despite worsening Franco-Turkish relations and a partial freeze on EU-Turkey accession talks.

Sixty two percent said they would vote "yes" to EU membership if there was a referendum, while 27 percent would vote "no," a May survey by Ankara's MetroPOLL research centre said.

 The "yes" vote was bolstered by political turmoil within Turkey, with the country's highest court currently threatening to ban the ruling, pro-EU, AKP party for breaking rules on secularism in state institutions.

Turkish support for the EU peaked at over two-thirds in late 2004. It declined after the opening of EU-Turkey accession talks in 2005, hitting lows of 30 percent in 2006, before creeping up to the 50 percent mark in late 2007.

"If it is constantly discussed in a general way whether Turkey belongs to Europe or not, then this will fuel Turkish people's feeling of not being wanted," Turkey's foreign minister, Ali Babacan, told German newspaper FAZ in an interview Sunday (1 June).

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:49:13 PM EST
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I'm pleased to see this, but I still foresee problems. Their new attitude to alcohol is difficult to integrate and will cause increasing problems. Equally, the right have found a new substitute for insulting "turkishness" but having a crime of insulting the turkish army. So a singer who is anti-militarist is currently being prosecuted. Secular internationalism is under threat still.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:36:31 AM EST
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Kouchner says French companies should seriously consider investing in Iraq projects - International Herald Tribune

BAGHDAD: The Iraqi government pressed for advanced French weapons Sunday, while France's top diplomat said French companies were private and free to make their own decisions about whether to do business in wartorn Iraq.

In a meeting with visiting Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki "expressed Iraq's desire to supply its armed forces with advanced French weapons," according to a statement from his Baghdad office.

Kouchner, on a two-day trip to Iraq, said afterward that he supported increased cooperation between the two countries but could not force French companies to invest in Iraq.

"Unfortunately, French companies are private ones," Kouchner told reporters in Baghdad.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:53:37 PM EST
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Now this is an interesting comment by Kouchner:

Fran:

"Unfortunately, French companies are private ones," Kouchner told reporters in Baghdad.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:54:34 PM EST
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Sarkozy has a chance to leave big mark on Europe through EU slot - International Herald Tribune

BRUSSELS: The European Union could hardly be hurt by a dose of ambition, leadership and a little brashness.

So along comes France next month, holders until 2009 of the EU's agenda-setting presidency, armed with the seeming requisites for putting Nicolas Sarkozy's mark on Europe and asserting French pre-eminence in steering its affairs.

How could the EU resist? Bland to the bone, some of its doubters say, Europe will find a way. Others see France already tangling its feet in the wires linking its own desire for the prestige of leadership with its difficulties in projecting French motives as open and selfless.

Traditionally, the rotating presidency of the EU has given its big countries a chance to assert their importance, or indispensability, as the motor of its destiny. They can try to do it through practical programs meant to create consensus and public appeal. A spritz of grandeur is not unwelcome.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:55:07 PM EST
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German coalition party says Merkel failing to lead
BERLIN - German Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition partners on Sunday accused her of a lack of leadership as internal tensions mount steadily ahead of national elections in 2009.

"The chancellor is not really present on the domestic front," the Social Democrats' parliamentary leader, Peter Struck, told Deutschlandfund radio.

"She does not lead, she does not step in," added Struck.

Struck and Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel, also a Social Democrat, accused Merkel of portraying herself as a leader in the fight against climate change but allowing her Christian Democrats (CDU/CSU) to hinder progress in that regard.

"She often makes strong statements at press conferences but does little to stop her own party blocking progress," said Struck.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:57:20 PM EST
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Mafia kill informant over waste disposal | The Australian

AN Italian businessman who was helping police break organised crime gangs that operate waste disposal rackets in Naples was gunned down in an apparent mafia hit, police said.

The latest killing in the southern Italian city, which in recent months has become as famous for its piles of trash as for its reputation for crime, came on a day that thousands of people attended a rally against plans to open new rubbish dumps.

Police said Michele Orsi, a businessman with mafia links who had turned informant, was shot three times near his home by assailants who were lying in wait.

Orsi, who worked in the waste disposal business, had spent time in jail last year during an investigation into mafia involvement in the trade. He turned informant and gave evidence against a suspect at a court hearing two weeks ago.

"The case is even more serious than previous ones. This was a businessman from the Caserta area (of Naples) who, although he had colluded with organised crime, was helping investigations,'' said anti-mafia investigator Franco Roberti.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:58:42 PM EST
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Well, I'm not the least bit surprised. Is anybody ?? The govt of Italy is a shambles and the various mafia have become ade facto local government, even if they're crap.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:39:41 AM EST
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Europe's Fishermen Continue Strike Over High Fuel Costs | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 02.06.2008
As world leaders gathered in Rome to discuss skyrocketing food costs, strikes among Europe's fishermen have tried to bring attention to high fuel prices which they say could destroy the industry.

Europe's fishermen say they have been left high and dry by increasing fuel costs. Since the beginning of 2008, marine fuel has jumped 30 percent.

French fishermen began launching work stoppages and blockades three weeks ago. Since then, fishermen in Italy, Spain and Portugal have also gone on strike. There have been calls for governments to abolish the tax on diesel to bring down the prices and for more subsidies.

In northern Spain, fishermen were in a dilemma. They can't continue to make a profit with high oil prices, but they also can't afford to stay home at the beginning of tuna season.

Tuna brings in 80 percent of the revenue, said Patxi Martinez, a local boat owner.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:59:48 PM EST
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Stay in port for 5 years please. Give fish stocks a chance.

Or put your prices up, I know that sounds like madness but I thought price was reflective of costs + profit. Or buy a sailing smack.

but stop expecting oil proces to go down. stop expecting the government to subsidize your plundering. For christ sakes, get a bleeding grip, this is the 21st century and there is no more oil. You and your Dad burnt it all. Live with it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:43:20 AM EST
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Swiss Referendum: A Debacle for the Xenophobes - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The right-wing SVP wanted to flex its muscles in a weekend referendum on immigration in Switzerland. Instead, the party's dramatic failure shows just how badly SVP figurehead Christoph Blocker miscalculated. The party could now be facing a slide to insignificance.

AP

Switzerland's alleged citizenship grab: A poster for a failed SVP proposal that would have allowed communities to vote on whether to allow foreign residents to become naturalized citizens.

Sunday was meant to be a triumph for the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP) and its new role as an opposition party. The party wanted to show that it could pull voters away from its political opponents. The party wanted to demonstrate that Switzerland could not be governed against it. Furthermore, the SVP wanted to show that the country's political elite had made a mistake last December by joining forces to vote Christoph Blocher, the party's figurehead, out of his justice minister position. That's what Sunday was meant to be.

Instead, though, it was a dark day for Switzerland's strongest political party -- and a day that raised new questions about Blocher's decision to steer the party into the opposition.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:02:06 PM EST
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FT.com / World - Norway and UK lead web advert league

Internet users in Norway and the UK are the most valuable to advertisers in Europe, worth more than three times as much as those in France and Italy, according to a report released on Monday.

A survey by the Interactive Advertising Bureau Europe and PricewaterhouseCoopers found that an average of €133 (£104, $207) was spent on advertising for each web user in Norway, the highest in Europe, followed by €121 in the UK and €110 in Denmark. That compares to a European average of €81 per person online and a US average of €92.

Rob Noss, chief executive for Europe, the Middle East and Africa at MindShare Interaction, a digital advertising group owned by WPP, said that the report demonstrated that advertising budgets would move online as internet markets matured.

The UK attracts the bulk of European online advertising spend with 34.2 per cent of the total, followed by Germany with 22.3 per cent and France with 8.9 per cent. "The UK is punching considerably above its weight," said Mr Noss, given that broadband penetration of 57 per cent lagged some way behind the Netherlands and Norway, where 70-80 per cent of the population have high-speed connections, according to Mindshare's own figures.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:03:52 PM EST
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Knuckling Under: Is Germany's 'Climate Chancellor' a Failure? - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

A year after pitting herself against the world's leaders over climate change, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has backed down and gone silent on key environmental policies. It seems that the one opponent she can't bear confronting is the German voter.

The German chancellor in Greenland: Once a hero to environmentalists worldwide, Angela Merkel is faltering badly on climate change policy.

This is the so-called "climate chancellor?" This woman who, at the International Transport Forum in Leipzig, spoke enthusiastically about the nearby air freight hub, economic growth and the transport of goods? Who suddenly seems awkward and at a loss for words when it comes time to talk about climate protection? Who has stopped offering answers on the subject and only asks questions, like: Does it make sense to subsidize electricity from renewable sources? Is it fair to expect the owners of older cars with high CO2 emissions to pay higher taxes?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:07:07 PM EST
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I wish we had merely the german reticence to moan about here in the UK. At least they've done something, loads in fact. They're a world leader in wind generation, a world leader in the windpower industry. Loads of buildings have solar capture. When I see what has been achieved in Germany I am genuinely "green" with envy.

Yes, all ocutnries could do much more, but grief...compared with germany we're miles, years behind. Give her a break and pick on the British.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:48:48 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Whalemeat traders 'defying ban'

Icelandic and Norwegian companies have begun exporting whalemeat to Japan.

About 60 tonnes of meat from fin whales caught in the 2006 Icelandic hunt was reportedly sent with a much smaller amount of minke meat from Norway.

Industry sources told the BBC that the meat had already arrived in Japan, although a Japanese official said no request to import it had been received.

Conservation groups say the trade will damage attempts to bridge the gap between pro- and anti-whaling nations.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:11:32 PM EST
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talk about an industry going nowhere. the japanese can't even use the stuff they catch themselves. Now norway and Iceland are dumping it.

Aside from cultural chauvanism, why do they bother ??

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:50:05 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:43:33 PM EST
Active '08 Hurricane Season Could Be Perfect Energy Storm - Oil and Gas * Energy * News * Story - CNBC.com

The 2008 hurricane season officially begins on Sunday, and active season could have serious implications for energy prices.

"Just the mere threat of a hurricane, if it comes from June to September 15, is probably enough to send prices up 25 cents or more just on the proviso that it could hit the U.S. Gulf Coast," says  Tom Kloza, senior analyst at the Oil Price Information Service.

As high as energy prices are, traders have barely begun to factor in the risk of a hurricane, according to Kloza, and that could be a problem. 

The government is predicting as many as nine hurricanes this season, and Colorado State University's William Gray sees as many as eight.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:45:04 PM EST
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whilst I understand the difficulties that the US faces in re-orietating its economy away from being oil based, I feel that worrying about price shocks from hurricanes is rather missing the point.

This is the froth, the issue is the high price of oil for a country that has based its entire lifestyle on an increasingly expensive (and obviously diminishing) resource.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:57:41 AM EST
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Six Die in Blast at Danish Embassy in Pakistan | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 02.06.2008
At least six people died and more were injured in a car bombing outside the Danish embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan.

An officer at the scene said there were no diplomats among the dead and injured.

The suicide blast came from a car bomb, officials said. More than 30 people were injured, and a huge crater was left in front of the building, officials at the scene said.

Past protests about Mohammed caricatures

Several cars were destroyed by the force of the explosion, a reporter at the scene said. Security forces had roped off the attack site.

No one claimed responsibility for the bombing. In the past, radical Islamic terror groups have led similar attacks.

In early 2006, and then again in February of this 2008, caricatures of the prophet Mohammed published in the Danish media set off widespread protests in Pakistan. Denmark had recently downgraded the embassy and moved out most foreign staff due to threats from those earlier protests.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:46:08 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Nuclear inspectors to visit Syria

The UN nuclear agency has said that Syria is to allow inspectors to visit the country to investigate allegations that it was building a nuclear reactor.

The International Atomic Energy Agency says its inspectors are due in Syria between the 22 and 24 June.

The alleged nuclear site was bombed by Israeli jets in September 2007.

In April, the United States accused North Korea of helping Syria build a nuclear reactor that "was not intended for peaceful purposes".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:51:32 PM EST
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Gulfnews: Syria waiting for Israeli response to peace push

Abu Dhabi: Syria has presented to Israel its vision of peace between the two countries and is waiting for the Israeli response, President Bashar Assad said here on Monday.

"The talks with Israel continue through the Turkish mediator and we have presented our vision for peace, based on the principles of land for peace and now we are waiting for the Israelis to respond," the Syrian president told Gulf News. "We will not offer any concessions. The conditions for peace are clear."

He was speaking in a meeting with the editors-in-chief of UAE newspapers in the second day of his visit to the UAE. On the first day of his visit, Al Assad held official talks with the President His Highness Shaikh Khalifa Bin Zayed Al Nahyan on ways to improve bilateral and Arab relations.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:52:13 PM EST
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Brazil to defend biofuels at UN summit in Rome- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times
ROME: Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said on Sunday he would seek to convince world leaders gathering in Rome this week that ethanol is not to blame for global food inflation threatening millions with hunger.
Brazil is the world's largest ethanol exporter and a pioneer in sugar-cane based biofuels, making it a target of critics who say ethanol is behind increases in world commodity prices. Lula said the U.N. summit on food security which begins on Tuesday would give Latin America's biggest economy an opportunity to shape the debate about biofuels -- and hopefully win over some sceptics.

"This gathering that the (U.N. Food and Agriculture Organisation) is promoting will be a great opportunity for Brazil," Lula told reporters in Rome ahead of the event. "I'm convinced that we're at the beginning a debate. ... It's up to Brazil, a centre of excellence in ethanol production, to prove that it's fully possible to make ethanol output compatible with the production of food." U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who has set up his own task force to find answers to the food security crisis, is expected to hold private talks with Lula in Rome on Monday ahead of the June 3-5 summit.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:53:01 PM EST
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Brazilain biofuel might be okay, seeing as it is based on sugar cane. however, the rainforest devastation that is accompanying this industry is unbelievably short-sighted.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 05:59:26 AM EST
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High oil and uncertainty on rules make outlook bleak for airlines - International Herald Tribune

ISTANBUL: Airlines ratcheted up the pressure on governments Monday to roll back regulations that they argue are damaging their industry at a time when soaring fuel prices have pushed many carriers into a "desperate" situation.

At its annual meeting here, the global trade body for the airline industry, the International Air Transport Association, or IATA, warned of a significant drop in profitability and a collective loss of up to $2.3 billion due to the effects of high oil costs and the slowing economy in Europe and the United States.

Other issues that are vexing the industry include uncertainty about the approach by the European Union and national governments toward state aid and mergers and the exact role that airlines will be expected to play in emerging emissions trading projects.

"After enormous efficiency gains since 2001 there is no fat left and skyrocketing oil prices are changing everything," Giovanni Bisignani, the chief executive of IATA, said . "The situation is desperate and potentially more destructive than our recent battles with all the Horsemen of the Apocalypse combined."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:56:43 PM EST
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See Aviation: outlook is grim at best by Elco B on June 3rd, 2008.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:15:04 AM EST
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The Independent: Ryanair to ground 10pc of fleet (3 June 20080
Budget airline Ryanair today said it would ground up to 10 per cent of its fleet this winter to combat soaring airport charges.

The carrier - which unveiled a 17 per cent rise in pre-tax profits to 528 million euro (£419m) in the year to March 31 - said it would be more profitable to keep 20 aircraft on the ground at Stansted and Dublin than put them in the air.

Chief executive Michael O'Leary blamed the "unjustified" doubling in landing and handling charges levied by Stansted operator BAA and higher charges at Dublin Airport.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:28:21 AM EST
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Ryanair has an interesting funding model where a lot of its landing fees are subisdized by local authorities for the specific purposes of bringing in UK tourists.

also, they charge for a lot of things supplied for free by other companies. check-in, luggage, priority boarding. Noticeably high prices for food and drink

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:56:31 AM EST
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Online ticket sales and e-tickets
Priority boarding surcharge
Insurance sales
Misleading pricing
Less leg room - more seats
Minimal cabin crew training
Tarmac not walkway slots for planes
Low grade minimal-service terminals if Ryanair exclusive.

But mostly by outsourcing of services to passengers - you carry your own bags or pay for them, you get your own food, you clean your own plane etc

You even have to look at Ryanair ads on the overhead lockers throughout the flight.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:17:00 AM EST
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Harsh internal audit of IMF calls for major reform | The Australian

THE International Monetary Fund has come under a withering attack from its own internal self-policing watchdog, which demanded far-reaching reforms to improve its effectiveness and accountability to member countries. The IMF was accused of failing to adapt to changing global realities, and of being widely perceived as both slow to respond to emerging world issues, and as ineffective in agreeing and delivering strategies to tackle these problems.

The charges were levelled in a report from the IMF's Independent Evaluation Office, the IEO, which called for action to bolster the legitimacy of the fund's top governing bodies and tougher international oversight of its day-to-day management, led by its managing director.

The report said that an overhaul of the fund's operations and governance also needed to go still further than a recent spate of reforms of its 185 member countries' voting rights, which gave some increasingly important emerging market countries a bigger say in decision making, reducing the traditional dominance of the United States and Europe.

"Our evaluation finds that reforms have not kept pace with broader changes in the environment in which the fund operates," Tom Bernes, the head of the IEO, said. "In our view, if left unaddressed this could likely undermine effectiveness over time."

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:59:09 PM EST
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Ha, seeing as economic bodies such as the Wrold bank and the IMF are fully-incorporated arms of US globcorp, it's hardly surprising that their policies reflect the awful destructive priorities of US foreign policy.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:01:51 AM EST
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SPIEGEL Interview with Afghan President Hamid Karzai: 'I Wish I Had the Taliban as My Soldiers' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

President Hamid Karzai has come under fire for not doing enough to stem corruption in Afghanistan. He speaks to SPIEGEL about the coalition forces' ties with warlords, rumors about his family's influence and why he believes dirty deals are sometimes necessary.

 Taliban militants are a resurgent force in Afghanistan.

SPIEGEL: Mr. President, much has been written about the failures of the international community in Afghanistan. But a good part of the so-called insurgency in the south and east of your country appears to have more to do with a protest movement against a bad government and corrupt elite. It doesn't seem like much of an exaggeration to talk about a resurgence of the Taliban. Is it not true that many Afghans are only joining the Taliban because they don't consider them to be corrupt?

Hamid Karzai: I disagree. That is absolutely wrong.

SPIEGEL: Some Afghan people say that the president himself, who is appointing high-ranking officials in Kabul and in the provinces, is fueling the insurgency with these personnel decisions. Is that there any truth in that?

Karzai: Governance has improved immensely in Afghanistan. For the first time in six years, the Afghan budget has become transparent, there are no longer any secret funds. Before, the governors did whatever they wanted. Now there is a reporting requirement and there are former governors who were criminal or corrupt who are now in prison, like the former governor of Baghdis province. Of course the country needs more time, but the problems we have in the south and east are not because of bad governance.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:01:37 PM EST
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New Contracts Reflect Continued Presence in Iraq - washingtonpost.com

The depth of U.S. involvement in Iraq and the difficulty the next president will face in pulling personnel out of the country are illustrated by a handful of new contract proposals made public in May.

The contracts call for new spending, from supplying mentors to officials with Iraq's Defense and Interior ministries to establishing a U.S.-marshal-type system to protect Iraqi courts. Contractors would provide more than 100 linguists with secret clearances and deliver food to Iraqi detainees at a new, U.S.-run prison.

The proposals reflect multiyear commitments. The mentor contract notes that the U.S. military "desires for both Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Defense to become mostly self-sufficient within two years," a time outside some proposals for U.S. combat troop withdrawal. The mentors sought would "advise, train [and] assist . . . particular Iraqi officials" who work in the Ministry of Defense, which runs the Iraqi army, or the Ministry of Interior, which runs the police and other security units.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:06:00 PM EST
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BBC NEWS: Iran 'not seeking' nuclear arms (3 June 2008)
Iran's supreme leader has insisted it will continue its nuclear activities for civilian purposes only and will not manufacture nuclear weapons.

"No wise nation would be interested in making a nuclear weapon today. They are against rational thought," said Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in a speech.

The comments come a day after the UN's atomic watchdog urged from Iran "full disclosure" about its atomic work.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:13:53 AM EST
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AFP via Google News: Myanmar charter 'washes away' Suu Kyi victory: state media
A referendum approving a new military-backed constitution for Myanmar has "washed away" the victory claimed by Aung San Suu Kyi's opposition party in 1990 elections, state media said Tuesday.

Her National League for Democracy (NLD) won by a landslide 18 years ago, but the military never recognised the result and has kept the Nobel peace prize winner under house arrest for most of the years since then.

The government mouthpiece New Light of Myanmar said Tuesday that the NLD's election mandate was "outdated" after the constitution was approved last month in a controversial referendum -- held while the impoverished nation was still reeling from the devastating effects of Cyclone Nargis.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:16:56 AM EST
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Travelers Turn to Public Transit | Washington Post
Ridership Surges as Gas Prices Fuel Exodus From Cars

Soaring gas prices are pushing more Americans to take public transit, with streetcars, trolleys and other light rail experiencing a 10.3 percent increase in ridership for the first quarter of the year, according to a report released yesterday by the American Public Transportation Association.

Americans took 2.6 billion trips on all modes of public transportation, including subways and buses, in the first three months of 2008, a 3.3 percent increase, or almost 85 million more trips than in the same period last year, the report said.

"There's no doubt that the high gas prices are motivating people to change their travel behavior," APTA President William Millar said in a statement.

(Some copy editor having fun with the deck hed there... gas prices "fuel" increased use of public transit, get it? Har har.)

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:47:13 AM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:44:06 PM EST
New Round of Climate Talks Opens in Germany | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 02.06.2008
Some 2,000 delegates from around the globe have descended upon Bonn, Germany, to open a two-week conference on global warming.

A fresh round of UN climate talks began in Bonn on Monday, June 2, aimed at building on the climate conference held in Bali in December last year.

Delegates from more than 150 countries and agencies are set to attend the two-week event, which is part of the process to hammer out a successor to the Kyoto Protocol on greenhouse gas emissions.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:45:30 PM EST
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Court Case Sparks Tabloid War: Briton Gets Refund For Having too Many Germans in Hotel - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

First, a British court awarded a man compensation because there were too many Germans in his holiday hotel. Now, the German press is firing back -- with tips on how best to avoid the English this summer. Hint: It involves football.

 German tourists having fun on the Spanish island of Mallorca. A court in Britain appears to have wounded German pride by awarding British tourist David Barnish £750 pounds (€948/$1,484) in compensation because there were too many German tourists at the Greek island hotel where he spent a family holiday last August.

Barnish had sued holiday company Thomson because it hadn't told him the Grecotel resort on the island of Kos was occupied almost exclusively by Germans -- more than 600 of them.

Only 25 of the 700 guests at the hotel were English. Barnish had paid £4,000 for the holiday. Barnich claims his family was unable to take part in entertainment or children's activities at the hotel because they were only organized in German.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:50:38 PM EST
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And the German response?


"Dear British -- from next weekend you'll have all the beaches to yourself. We'll be at the European Championship," the newspaper wrote.

Awa!  That's mean (as i'm watching a German-dubbed version of "Kick It Like Beckham."

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:01:14 PM EST
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This is the only song that brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it - for very personal as well social cohesion reasons. Apart from the lack of sisters, the lyrics express the ET philosophy - for me.

I don't like this tricksy video. The original track on the 'White City' album, with the intrusion from madman Ron Geesin 'It's all going to end in fire', is IMO definitive.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:52:05 PM EST
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Give Blood
But you may find that blood is not enough
Give blood
And there are some who say it's not enough
Give blood
But don't expect to ever see reward
Give blood
You can give it all but still you're asked for more

Give blood
But it could cost more than your dignity
Give blood
Parade your pallor in iniquity
Give blood
They will cry and say they're in your debt
Give blood
But then they'll sigh and they will soon forget

So give love and keep blood between brothers

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:04:22 PM EST
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Taking a dip getting safer in EU - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Trunks-and-bikini-clad Europeans and foreign tourists will be happy to know that as they take to the seas, rivers and lakes of the continent for a dip this year, the water quality has remained high, according to the European Commission's annual bathing water quality report, issued on Monday (2 June).

The study, which is designed to be user-friendly for citizens - with an accompanying colour-coded online map system rather than a document legible only to denizens of the Brussels institutions - found that though water quality in Europe's bathing areas is good, there has been a slight decline on last year.

"It's not exactly as good as it was in 2006," said environment commissioner Stavros Dimas to reporters at the launch of the report. "We have notice a slight decrease in quality."

The UK in particular saw a ten-fold increase in areas not complying with European hygiene standards, with the number of 'dirty' beaches climbing from 0.4 percent in 2006 to 3.5 percent the last year.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:05:10 PM EST
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Fran:
Trunks-and-bikini-clad Europeans

Most of whom will be British while the European Cup is on.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:26:05 AM EST
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Desert is claiming southeast Spain - International Herald Tribune

FORTUNA, Spain: Lush fields of lettuce and hothouses of tomatoes line the roads. Verdant new developments of plush pastel vacation homes beckon buyers from Britain and Germany. Golf courses - 54 of them, all built in the past decade and most in the past three years - give way to the beach. At last, this hardscrabble corner of southeast Spain is thriving.

There is only one problem with this picture of bounty: This province, Murcia, is running out of water. Spurred on by global warming and poorly planned development, swaths of southeast Spain are steadily turning into desert.

This year in Murcia farmers are fighting developers over water rights. They are fighting each other over who gets to water their crops. And in a sign of their mounting desperation, they are buying and selling water like gold on a burgeoning black market.

"Water will be the environmental issue this year," said Barbara Helferrich, spokesman for the European Union's Environment Directorate. "The problem is urgent and immediate."

"If you're already having water shortages in spring, you know it's going to be a really bad summer."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:14:17 PM EST
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I've been saying this for a while. S Spain is the N Sahara, they're wasting their water horribly down there.

Galicia is the only part of spain I consider viable in the future.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:08:02 AM EST
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I can in no way verify that this actually happened, but you know, nothing would surprise me anymore.

T-shirt with picture of armed robot endangers British aviation system | boing boing

This poor guy tried to board a BA flight at Heathrow terminal 5 but was turned back and told to change out of his t-shirt, which featured a Transformer robot carrying a gun -- a robot with a gun that apparently posed a threat to flight safety.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 04:01:45 AM EST
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Greif, it might be true, it's on the BBC

that said, it's only on this guy's say so cos BAA are denying it happened.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:12:44 AM EST
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The Independent: The next banking crisis? (3 June 2008)
On 13 February, B&B was the first British bank to announce full-year results, stunning investors with £228m of charges for wholesale assets and financial instruments hit by the credit crunch. The writedowns and losses shook confidence in the banking sector, raising fears of massive losses at other lenders as results season unfolded. Though the numbers did not turn out as bad as feared at the time, the concerns were borne out later as Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS revealed big writedowns last month and announced rights issues.

Now investors fear that B&B's latest warning is a harbinger of things to come. This time, the Yorkshire-based bank's main problem is not caused by losses on exotic credit products at its Treasury operation. Instead, the country's biggest buy-to-let lender has sounded the alarm over old-fashioned arrears and bad debts from its stock of mortgages.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:18:40 AM EST
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The Guardian: BBanks in crisis: Bradford & Bingley faces shareholder revolt (June 3 2008)
Analysts at Collins Stewart today called on Bradford & Bingley shareholders to vote against the repriced rights issue and force management to go back to its original scheme.

Collins Stewart analyst Alex Potter described the renegotiation of the rights issue as "little short of a disgrace".

Anger is growing among B&B shareholders after the bank scrapped its original £300m cash call. UBS and Citi, the investment banks underwriting the fund raising, had agreed to guarantee a price of 82p six weeks ago but forced B&B to cut that price to 55p, reducing the size of the cash call to £258m.

"Management claim it wanted to avoid the stock trading below the previous issue price of 82p - the share price move yesterday is clearly much more damaging to shareholders than the previous issue having been left in place and the underwriters potentially holding significant amounts of stock," Potter said. "We believe shareholders should vote against the new issue at the upcoming EGM and force management to revert to the old scheme."



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:20:26 AM EST
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The Guardian: Viewpoint: Wrecking ball hits housing market (June 3 2008)
Jeepers. What a way to start a week. Any remaining doubt that the housing market is in freefall was blown away by figures showing a collapse in mortgage approvals, an unprecedented rights issue repricing and profits warning from Bradford & Bingley - and an increase in the Nationwide's fixed-rate mortgages.

With house prices falling, there is a full-scale retreat from the mortgage market. Would-be homebuyers don't want to buy something they might get much cheaper next year, while lenders won't lend on assets that might soon be under water. None of the Nationwide's fixes are available below 6%, more than a full point above base rates. The squeeze is on.

In the early stages of a housing market slump, activity indicators are often more relevant than price data, which tends to lag. So when mortgage approvals fall by half and net new home reservations are down by three-quarters there is a problem. Right now the data is telling us just one thing, that the housing market is in meltdown.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:56:37 AM EST
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I think it was BondDad who outlined that there were going to be seven different stages to the economic collapse, each card falling from the instabilities of the previous ones.

I remember noting that a lot of "serious" commentators were calling the recession over at stage 3 and I was wondering why they'd think that when the pressure on morgages had obviously not filtered through.

However, although I accept it makes me look petty and wishing ill on people, I am glad to see that buy-to-let people are suffering disproportionatley. They are parasites who bear tremendous responsibility for forcing prices up for entry level housing.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:38:12 AM EST
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Reuters (UK): Dog-fighting on the rise among youths (June 3, 2008)
Dog-fighting is becoming more common as youths use the animals to try to assert their status on housing estates, according to the RSPCA.

More than 350 cases were reported to the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in 2007, compared with 137 the year before. In 2004, the figure was just 24.

Nearly a third referred specifically to youths or "hoodies" training their dogs to fight in the street or park.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:24:04 AM EST
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I admit that it's hard not to laugh at these shaven headed twerps walking their dogs around. some grizzled looking animal trussed up in the amounts of leather and studs that look seriously fetishistic.

this isn't just a penis enhancer, it's a sex-substitute.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:40:28 AM EST
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Well, this morning one of these sex-substitutes chased my black cat off the quai, into the cockpit and, vaulting the bottom of the dutch door, into the galley where I was  making breakfast for the kids.
Big enough that it's muzzle was at face height for me, in the chair.
Kids below in the shower, luckily.
The two skinheads on the dock have four dogs between them, and do not leash them as the law requires. The cops seem reluctant to meddle--

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:22:07 AM EST
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It's unlikely to have been trained effectively so it won't protect its legs.

Grab hold of the front paws and move them about 25-30 degrees sideways away from the body. It won't injure, but it should be enough to hurt. Basically continue widening until dog whimpers. Then just flex like you're gonna do more...yes you're scaring it.

It's a very good teaching aid if you dislike a dog and the dog will tell no tales.

I love dogs to bits, but I won't take sh!t from them either.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:56:27 AM EST
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You're right about canine anatomy there, but have you ever really tried that with an aggressive dog?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 09:26:57 AM EST
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Yup, but I grew up with dogs and know exactly what i'm doing. I have absolute confidence in my ability to do it quickly and effectively.

Dogs do dominance games, they don't anthropomorphise themselves, they relate to you as an odd dog. You are either top dog or they don't give a shit what you think.

So if a dog wants to give you hassle, you don't negotiate, you metaphorically let it know you have its balls in a bag.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 09:50:53 AM EST
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KLATSCH
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:44:36 PM EST
Too Early!!!!

You are Going to Confuse Everyone!!

It's not even June 3rd in Switzerland!  

Tomorrow has not happened yet!  

You can't report tomorrow's news today unless you have some special superpower!  

By the time tomorrow comes this will be yesterday's news!

Ach!

Maybe we can just put up the Salon for June 3rd, year 2360, for the benefit of people living in the future.  I don't think ET takes future people into consideration enough!  We're losing the future people audience!

Ach!

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:56:24 PM EST
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Don't be afraid to ditch top-earning stars, says BBC Trust chairman Sir Michael Lyons | Media | guardian.co.uk

The BBC Trust chairman, Sir Michael Lyons, has said the corporation must be prepared to walk away from deals with its top presenting stars if they become too costly and that it should better cultivate new talent to replace them.

The BBC Trust today published its report into the talent costs of British television, which it ordered a year ago in the wake of public concerns about licence fee money paid to stars such as Jonathan Ross and Graham Norton.

However, the report concluded that there was no evidence that the BBC was paying more than the market price for leading talent compared with its commercial rivals.

Also, there was no evidence that the BBC was "systematically" pushing up talent prices, according to the trust.

The report, compiled by consultants Oliver and Ohlbaum at a cost of £165,000, did not name any stars or list individual salaries - a move defended by the BBC Trust, which said the information was commercially sensitive.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:57:49 PM EST
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In other news, no consultants suggested that existing non-celebrity employees with many years of experience should be kept on at a fair rate instead of being systematically freelanced, as budgets are increasingly spent on consultants, managers and celebrities and not on the less glamorous but more competent producers and technicians.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:32:15 AM EST
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Looks like the first day with the new timing went well. The Salon as well as the OT were very lively. I Hope this will continue. :-)

And I am sure that there are countries where it is already Tuesday, June 3rd. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:09:36 PM EST
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Not in Europe, I don't think.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:14:51 PM EST
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what about something like day-day indicating the night-over.. (salon 2nr-3rd june)

I dunno..

I like it though...

A pelasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:20:06 PM EST
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As of this moment, there is not a single article or comment with a date of June 3. I don't get it, Fran--what's the point of calling it for the 3rd, if there is no content from the third??
I am an early riser, and I am often frustrated with the lack of a place to post quotes and ideas that I glean from the late-breaking news to the west, with the time difference. As well, there are lots of good bits to be shared from the EU area--most important stories hit the public venues in the afternoon. And by ten, I'm off in the world doing real stuff--no time to blogulate.

Great admiration for all your efforts over the years, Fran--but little is accomplished by just relabeling time. We need an early forum that offers a venue for today's things.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 04:14:18 AM EST
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I don't really see what the dateline has to do with it. Fran (or autofran, or another person) put the Salon up early in the European morning, which was generally still the day before in America anyway. And a great deal of the news items and articles have always been from the day/evening/night before (news sites don't have editions like print newspapers).

Secondly, the Salon isn't only about breaking news. It's always also been about commentary and analysis, the media's and ours. Such items may be a day, two, three or more old. What matters is (one way or another) their interest.

Next, it's open to all. Post breaking news or very fresh items as you see them.

Lastly, today is exceptional as the server was down most of the European night, and contributions from other time zones (America, Asia) have not come in for that reason.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 04:29:02 AM EST
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"I don't really see what the dateline has to do with it. Fran (or autofran, or another person) put the Salon up early in the European morning, which was generally still the day before in America anyway."

Of course the actual text matters little-it's the time frame that matters.

I get up and dial up ET, with stuff to share--and I find yesterday's "European Salon de News---" with perhaps sixty of eighty comments already.

I've been known to sit on the bow and talk to myself, after a long night of some potion or other-
 but anyone who desires a richer conversation knows that to arrive very late at the party--or at the end of a long string of comments --is to often find oneself talking to the wind.

"Klatch" - an informal gathering, as for conversation.

Next, it's open to all. Post breaking news or very fresh items as you see them.

Well--thanks.

-I guess.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:01:37 AM EST
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The thing is, Fran doesn't want to spend a couple of hours every morning seeding the thread with news so she thought of moving her thread (which she used to call Breakfast and then renamed to Salon) from the early morning to the late evening. We will now be having the Open Thread around noon...

Maybe it would be better to have three open threads 8 hours apart and relieve Fran from the obligation to seed any of them with news?

It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:16:41 AM EST
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"Coffee Klatch"--someone to talk to over coffee, in the morning. Before school, work, before real life.

"Maybe it would be better to have three open threads 8 hours apart and relieve Fran from the obligation to seed any of them with news?

It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is."

I take this for arcane humor from the adult world of the front page.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:40:22 AM EST
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You are humourless today.

If we have to have a coffee thread that is mostly empty at 8am in order to keep the European time zone users happy, we can do that. Then we can have an afternoon and an evening threads so the Americans and the Asians can come in to an empty thread, too.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. There seem to be lots of people who want their European coffee thread, but it won't be Fran serving it any longer - she'll be serving a late evening snack instead.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:44:33 AM EST
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I do seem to be getting less likely to laugh--or less able to find the joke.


Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 02:56:19 PM EST
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Sure, but most of the time, it has been very lonely doing the Salon in the morning as almost no one showed up for the coffee. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 08:02:56 AM EST
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I can imagine.
Perhaps just opening up a page with a theme, and/or a couple quotes (as you sometimes do) that illustrate it, or different perspectives on an issue many of us have an interest in. Then let it run--or die.

We could solicit suggestions for a theme idea for that day, or next day, even, so you wouldn't get stuck with the brain in "theme park" every day--before coffee. Aargh!

But the "theming" would be fun, I think. Needs to be loose.
Bearing in mind that sometimes it's true that the best discussions are those threads that emerge spontaneously from something else.

My point was not to criticize how it's done, but when it's done. The time window for me tends to be early, since once the poppets get up around seven, --it's likely over. it would seem that's likely a common situation.

Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 02:53:21 PM EST
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Geezer - I haven't followed the whole discussion, but you are free to put up 'Geezer's Early Morning Cafe' diary any day you wish.

"If you build it, they will come"

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:16 PM EST
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There is that, too.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:04:16 PM EST
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My point was not to criticize how it's done, but when it's done. The time window for me tends to be early, since once the poppets get up around seven, --it's likely over. it would seem that's likely a common situation.

That's you in Paris. How about the Americans? And how about people who join the salon from work as opposed to from home?

Which is why I said upthread that if we need to post a new open thread every 8 hours to make sure we cater to everyone we can do so.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:03:47 PM EST
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Geezer, I am not sure I understand what you mean by these:
geezer in Paris:
Perhaps just opening up a page with a theme, and/or a couple quotes (as you sometimes do)

or this

geezer in Paris:

We could solicit suggestions for a theme idea for that day, or next day, even, so you wouldn't get stuck with the brain in "theme park" every day-

what do you mean by "theme park"? I just collect information available at the internet - and sometime themes just develop. However, I just don't have the time currently to do that in the morning. For me the problem is the time, especially in the morning and I just don't see my self getting up even earlier.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:42:41 PM EST
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Exactly.
That was exactly my point- the work load is obviously high to produce lots of snippets to draw comments--

"Theme Park" was a humorous (or not) way to point that out- unfair for you to have to Park the brain in theme mode every day-- when others might be willing to help.

We play with words a lot in the Miller household-"Pilsnerd" was my 10-year-old daughter's idea for my imaginary bilge-brewed beer, for example. May be some insight there? Aimed at me, Helen.

Right now, the  "Klatch" part typically draws less news-oriented comments, and more personal stuff. I sort of like that.
Again(again)((again)), this was never intended to be a criticism of HOW or WHAT, but just WHEN--and with some ideas to offer.

In my original; comment, in two places, I think, I pointed out that I was not attacking, and that I was (am) well aware and appreciative of your work.

As for a daily diary,--
That's why we have a front page,(and front pagers) -is it not?
I have neither the time nor the interest (or the dedication) to do Fan's job.
Not all differing ideas need to be taken as personal criticisms. Not intended--just suggestions.


Useful talking follows experience, the more experience the better. Talking that precedes experience is known as bullshit.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:35:02 AM EST
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there is not a single article or comment with a date of June 3

I had to laugh at the irony of your comment being dated june 3rd. sorry.

Actually I suspect that lack has more to do with the site having been down all night thanks to a storm at BooMan.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 06:19:58 AM EST
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