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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:37:14 PM EST
EU Issues Alert After Incident at Slovenian Nuclear Plant | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 04.06.2008
The European Commission issued a bloc-wide alert after a nuclear power plant in Krsko, Slovenia, began shutting down due to a technical problem with its cooling system.

The plant's primary cooling system lost coolant, the Commission said in a statement on Wednesday, June 4.

"The plant has been stopped preventively for some hours to allow the personnel to determine the cause of the failure and fix it," it said, adding that there had been no discharge to the environment.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:39:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Europe | Slovenia sparks EU nuclear alert

A leak of coolant has prompted Slovenia to shut down the reactor at its only nuclear power plant.

The European Commission says there has been no discharge into the environment. No explosion was reported either.

The Commission alerted all 27 EU member states under its Ecurie early warning system for nuclear emergencies.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:46:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This is such bullshiite.  European nukes do not leak coolant, nor do they lack coolant.

Oh, it's an amurkan plant.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:49:37 PM EST
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Don't care, I just don't trust the things. I don't trust the secrecy that surrounds them, I don't trust the guys in uniforms who purr whenever one is built. I don't trust the fact that it's 100% built of parts sourced from the lowest bid contractor. I don't trust the fact that most of these seem to be connected to psychopath filth like Dick Cheney

And I really really don't trust the ignorant bastard politicians who think they know what they're doing when they commission them.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:03:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who are those guys in uniform who cheer when they are built?

I cheer when they are built, and the only uniform I have is my old cycling team gear from when I was still race fit.

I ssure you, nothing scary at all about it. This being said, an English- or American-built nuclear power plant? Now that's scary.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:55:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This comes on the heels of...

Radio Prague - the international service of Czech Radio

One block at Dukovany power plant closed due to human error

One of the four blocks at the Dukovany power plant in Moravia was taken out of operation on Tuesday as a result of human error. An employee working on the respective unit accidentally switched off one of the six circuits with cooling water in the unit's nuclear zone. Automatic protection systems then disconnected two turbines from the power grid and quickly reduced the unit's output. The incident is said to have had no impact on nuclear safety. The block should be back in operation at full capacity on Tuesday evening. The remaining three blocks are supplying power at full output.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:31:01 PM EST
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The safety systems seem to be working...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:34:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Still, a single human error, and 400MW off the grid? (Here is a more detailed article.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:46:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So?

If the turbine in an IGCC goes in overspeed, it shuts down too and 600 MW go poof.

Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 06:14:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So what?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 06:35:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So there's nothing special about a plant shutting down.

Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.
by Francois in Paris on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 06:42:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who spoke of plant shutdowns in general?
  1. I don't endorse gas power plants either.
  2. You compare peak load to baseload.
  3. I spoke about single human error (switching the wrong switch in this case).


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:21:27 AM EST
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It's a large facility. Clearly it would be better to have more, smaller reactors.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 06:39:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
400 MW?

That's not  big. It's typical mid-range thermal plant.

Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM EST
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It's 80 times larger than a large wind turbine.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 06:52:03 PM EST
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But if a backhoe plows in the tie of a wind farm to the grid, the whole farm goes down.

I just don't get the argument. 400 MW is puny on a grid.

I haven't found generation capacity for the Czech republic but Eurostat says total generation in 2006 was 84361 GWh, so, with 8760 hours in a year and assuming a typical 45% to 50% capacity factor for the whole grid, that's about 20 GW of capacity.

So, 400 MW / 20 GW, and that's 2% of the capacity that went off-line and the big deal is ?


Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 07:38:15 PM EST
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Did this get reported on here? 28th May 2008. Thousands lose power in UK blackout

According to this UK engineering site, the grid was tripped when the Longannet 1 coal-fired station, running at reduced (350MW) capacity went offline within minutes of the Sizewell B nuclear (Pressurised water reactor) station (1200MW or 2% of peak demand).

So it would appear that, in the UK at least, the loss of 2% capacity is enough to leave the system pretty vulnerable...

by Sassafras on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:05:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The key variable in this case is the slack.

When you apply monetary "efficiency" considerations to the power sector, maintaining a substantial slack of power generation over peak demand is "inefficient" and "costly". The same can be said for redundancy in the transmission grid.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:25:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A case in point being London's Tube network, which used to have its own generators, but they were eliminated to 'save costs.'

Now it takes a feed from the grid, which means that if London loses power, everyone on the Tube is stuck in tunnels in the dark.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 06:55:15 AM EST
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You can take pretty much any technology and then use the UK as a counter-example.

The article pretty much answers your question:

Industry sources were quick to point out today that of Longannet's four turbines, two have been switched off for over a year for refurbishment and the other two have been shut for maintenance in recent weeks. A Scottish Power spokesman confirmed that one was powered up yesterday morning before it was "tripped" at 11.30am, but it had only been producing about 350 megawatts of power when it was shut by a minor technical fault.

"Sizewell B going down is a significant event but Longannet shutting down was not. It should not have had the impact it did," one industry source said. "Somebody dropped the ball at the National Grid."

British Energy, the country's main nuclear power generator, was today firing Sizewell B back up. It blamed the plant's first unscheduled shutdown in more than three years on a faulty instrument reading.

The best technology cannot do anything against terminal incompetence.

Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:30:04 PM EST
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Petition for women to take top EU posts -EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - A citizen's petition has been launched to lobby for a woman to win one of the top four EU posts up for grabs next year, with such jobs normally going to a clutch of men following much closed-door bartering - between other men.

Dubbed 'Females in Front', the online petition set up by Danish socialist MEP Christel Schaldemose has set its sights on gaining 1 million signatures to use as a political pressure tool to ensure more gender balance in the jobs.

"With 1 million signatures, we can ask the commission to take action to secure that the Union fulfils the treaty's goal of gender equality, starting with the upcoming nominations," reads the petition, referring to the forthcoming EU Lisbon Treaty, which also contains the new petitions article and creates two of the top jobs.

"I don't think that women are necessarily better for the job. But they are just as qualified as their male counterparts. With one or more women in top positions, the EU would become far more representative of its citizens," says Ms Schaldemose.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:40:36 PM EST
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This is way past time. Most of Europe, France in front, need to get at the fore and push for proportional representation of women in positions of political power.

It boggles my mind, for instance, that the best leaders France has arguably to the right, center and left, are all women, and yet...look at the lists, and look at the representation.

At least the PS has made very good strides in this, like the PCF. But, much work to be done.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:06:52 AM EST
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Social Democrats Fall to Historic Low in Public Opinion Polls | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 04.06.2008
Newspaper headlines on Wednesday, June 4, made for disturbing reading for Germany's Social Democrats. Their support has dropped to a historic nadir of 20 percent. There are many reasons for the plunge.

The poll, which was carried out by Germany leading opinion surveying organization, FORSA, showed support for the SPD had declined by three percentage points within a week. 2,501 likely voters were asked about their political preferences. The poll had a margin of error of 2.5 percent.

One short-term factor in the SPD's current decline may be the party's decision to field its own candidate, academic Gesine Schwan, to challenge popular President Horst Koehler in next year's Federal Assembly vote.

Many Germans see that move as a trial balloon for cooperating with the Left party, the successor to the East German Communist party. The votes of the SPD, the Left and the Greens would currently yield a parliamentary majority in the Bundestag.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:40:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just 20 Percent: Germany's Social Democrats in Slow Motion Collapse - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The bad news just keeps on coming for Germany's Social Democrats. A new poll reveals that just 20 percent of Germans would cast their ballots for the party, were elections held on the weekend. Even worse, the Left Party is biting at their heels.

 Excuse me. I don't feel so well. If Germany's Social Democrats had hoped that nominating their own candidate for president (more...) would provide a needed boost to their poll numbers, a new survey shows that the gambit may have had the opposite effect.

According to a survey completed by the polling agency Forsa, just 20 percent of German voters would put their X next to the SPD were elections held on Sunday. The result shows a drop of three percentage points from the week before and is the lowest result ever polled by Forsa, according to the newsweekly Stern, which commissioned the poll. Other surveys found support for the SPD hovering around 21 percent late last week.

Of particular concern for the SPD, however, is that the survey shows the party to be only five percentage points ahead of the Left Party, which came in at 15 percent. Indeed, many see the tradition-rich Social Democrats as being in one of the deepest crises of its 145-year history.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:48:42 PM EST
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"Leading opinion surveying organization"? I don't know about that. But Emnid had a poll out a day earlier, which had data collection for a little longer (26 May-2 June instead of 26-30 May), and they measured only a 1% decline (to 25%). Forsa's might be an outlier.

As for the resto f the article, it annoys me high-time that DW is interpreting news and speculating (in a right-wing frame) instead of reporting them. "Many Germans", "trial balloon"?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:40:26 PM EST
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"a leading opinion surveying organization"
Yes, there is no doubt that it is "a" leading organisation, even if there maybe 2 or 3 others.

Further more the other claims are covered by opinion polls, too (see ZDF Politbarometer from May 30th):

  • 73% of all voters want Horst Koehler as president, 12% Gesine Schwan, 3% none of both, 5% say don't know
  • while in April only 49% believed the SPD would consider a coalition on the federal with the "Linke", now 60% believe the SPD will consider this

Already before in Hesse Beck has ancouraged Ypsilanti to try a coalition with the "Linke". Historically often a president was elected by a coalition which then formed a gov. You may complain about the word "trial balloon", one could use the word "testing" or something like that. But "trial balloon" gives a better impression of the complete hopelessness (as for sure some SPD people will vote for Koehler) and selfdamaging  character (look at the polls, now Beck has announced not to coalite with the "Linke") of test, as the Beck has promised not to form such a coalition (which as reported 60% don't believe, actually with a candidate Steinmeier I would believe it, not so with Beck).

What you request would make it absolute impossible for foreigners who don't follow narrowly the German political scene to understand what is going on by hearing such news. A biased news would have been to announce, that Beck has just lost any possibility to be the next chancellor in Germany, what is indeed what I believe.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 10:13:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, there is no doubt that it is "a" leading organisation

Except there was no "a" in the original.

Further more the other claims are covered by opinion polls, too

Or, er, the results can be spun that way.

As at this point, Schwan is little-known, I wouldn't give much importance to choice polls yet. And last week a poll for ARD's Tagesthemen, which had similar figures for Köhler vs. Schwan, also showed that 52% approve that the SPD puts a candidate of its own into the race. What the voters certainly say in the polls is that SPD runs with an own candidate for party politics considerations, rather than counting the person. To which I say: well duh, but showing identity is party politics enough. You can find a nicely argued op-ed in Stern from before Schwan's nomination, which must reflect the thinking of many in the SPD:

Die SPD zögert, einen eigenen Kandidaten für das Amt des Bundespräsidenten zu stellen. Würde sie darauf verzichten, käme dies einer politischen Bankrotterklärung gleich. Deshalb müssen die Sozialdemokraten jetzt Gesine Schwan nominieren. Alles andere wäre absurd. Ein Kommentar von Hans Peter SchützThe SPD is procrastinating about nominating a candidate of its own for the office of the Federal President. If it foregoes on this, that would count as a declaration of political bankrupcy. Therefore, the Social Democrats now have to nominate Gesine Schwan. Anything else would be absurd. A commentary by Hans Peter Schütz

Regarding the now 60% who now believe the SPD would consider a coalition on the federal with the "Linke", I say Mission Accompliushed to the CDU and the FDP. However, the one important circumstance that doesn't fit DW's argumentation is the direction the SPD is losing votes according to Forsa. It appears to be two-thirds towards the fellow left (Greens and Linke +1 points) and one third to the "bourgeois camp" (+1 points both, but that includes the -1 for "other").

Beck has ancouraged Ypsilanti to try a coalition with the "Linke"

Nope, not coalition, but outside cooperation.

You may complain about the word "trial balloon"

I don't complain about the word, but the idea it entails and what you put forth too. You are disregarding all other possible motivations - and history. After all, if getting Left Party support for Schwan in 2009 counts as trial balloon for a later coalition, then the same in 2004 would have to be counted as such, too.

for sure some SPD people will vote for Koehler

Well, last time around, the opposite happened (presumably FDP people voted for Schwan). Who knows what happens in one year.

To conclude, you have every right to interpret the events as you described above, but you are a conservative voter, and DW shouldn't channel (only) that view.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:16:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I say Mission Accompliushed to the CDU and the FDP

Wanted to say: Mission Accomplished for the CDU and the mainstream media. And can add: obstructionists like Münte.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:34:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If so many think it is a good idea, the SPD puts an own candidate up, but so little numbers favour Schwan, then maybe she is the wrong candidate.

Sure CDU and FDP have tried to link the SPD and the "Linke", but that people actually tend to believe it, is a result of actions. To put this in the shoes of the mass media is rediculus. Another question in the poll from ZDF was credibility of the parties: CDU 20%; SPD 8%. Both numbers mean, that most people tend to believe that politicians will lie to get to power. This is for sure not linked to mass media, which reports much more favourable of politicians in general. Hesse was a chance for the SPD to prove they would not use votes of the Linke to gain power. They have tried, despite Ypsilanti has promised before she wouldn't. Later she said there are more important and less important promises.

However, the one important circumstance that doesn't fit DW's argumentation is the direction the SPD is losing votes according to Forsa.
The SPD loses votes, because of its opening for the Linke. Definitively. Do you think that any voter who has decided to vote for the Linke would come back to the SPD, because they announce to cooperate? Factors for losing maybe

  • a vote to the Linke may not be a lost vote, as the SPD cooperates with the Linke (-> Linke)
  • if the SPD is willing to cooperate they can't be that bad (->Linke)
  • the mass media has portrayed the greens as possible candidates for black-green (here I would agree on media bias, but news, not right-wing bias), which for centrists may be interesting (-> Greens)
  • the SPD becomes less and less credible (-> 'other' parties or disenfranchised)
  • some votes are gone into the "bourgeois camp" (->CDU/FDP)

and actually enough that current poll results would allow for a black-yellow coalition, while due to the SPD weakening even a traffic-light coalition (which would have not been too absurd given that Beck had a SPD/FDP coalition in his state) is now very far from possible - or in other words, without the Linke it is impossible to defeat Merkel as chancellor. So the SPD is running in the next election for further junior membership in the grand coalition?
In 2002 and 2005 the relative election results between the broader left and the "bourgeois camp" changed by less than 0.5%. Even if only 1/3 of the SPD losses actually change the camp, this gives the chance/risk that the left camp will overall lose, which I haven't seen as possible until recently.

then the same in 2004 would have to be counted as such, too.
Yes, of course, 100%. I'm not sure if any of the involved persons verbalised it that way, but of course the election of Koehler was a preclude to an assumed black-yellow coalition. Just recently the greens have announced they can't vote for Koehler due to that reason of his installment.

Last time some FDP people voted for Koehler, probably because

  • he was completely unknown (BILD: "Horst Wer?")
  • was chosen in a very undignifiying way ("Hinterzimmer von Guido 'Spassmobil' Westerwelle")
  • Schwan would have been the first female president (which probably won't be an asset this time around)

To conclude, you have every right to interpret the events as you described above, but you are a conservative voter, and DW shouldn't channel (only) that view.
Usually I'm not an optimist, so I don't see, why my interpretation on how most or many people think about something should be biased towards a "the right is in a good position to win" way. The DW said "Many Germans see", this is definitively true, independent of the intentions the SPD politicians really have, even if you believe it is the evil mainstream media's fault (the DW report was after the poll, so from the article one can certainly not draw that it was DW).

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:20:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Frame noted...but what to be chagrinned about...our guys are up in the polls in Germany, a record, right?

15%. I can't wait to see what my brother (in Frnafurt) has to say about all of this.

Frame or no frame, we've got momentum and the future on our side. Who cares if the sdp can't get a chancellor...maybe in a decade one of our guys will...

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:12:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, a wonderful 15%, a record in the Forsa poll. Emnid sees them at 14%, but they already saw our guys at 14% two weeks ago. However, the often more reliable Forschungsgruppe Wahlen (which uses a different method) expects them only at 11%. Either way, hopefully the momentum is maintained for the next 16 months.

I note not the chancellor, but the Federal President is currently at stake. But Schwan is indeed not the Left Party's cup of tea; and just the other day, there was a tussle: Schwan called Left Party co-leader Lafontaine a populist, to which he responded by suggesting that the Left Party hasn't yet decided whether to run a candidate of its own...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:22:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Baltic States Want Energy Cooperation Despite Pipeline Row | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 04.06.2008
The Baltic states and Poland want to join energy, environment and economic development projects in the Baltic Sea region despite their opposition to a planned Russian-German underwater gas pipeline.

The assertion came at the start of a summit of the Council of the Baltic Sea States (CBSS) attended by leaders from 10 of the 12 members on Wednesday, June 4. Only German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin were absent from the talks in the Latvian capital, Riga.

  

The CBSS plans a series of reforms aimed at promoting safer environmental and economic development in the region, Danish Prime Minister Andres Fogh Rasmussen said.

  

Speaking to reporters, Poland's Prime Minister Donald Tusk reiterated his country's opposition to the 1,200-kilometer (745-mile) pipeline expected to link Vyborg in Russia with Germany's Greifswald via the Baltic Sea.

 

"We believe that the gas transfer by land would be cheaper and more effective," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:41:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Too funny!

Only Merkel and Putin were absent. "Only" being the biggest understatement of the week.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:17:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Fishermen Clash With Police in EU Gas Price Protests | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 04.06.2008
Hundreds of angry fishermen, mostly from France and Italy, hurled stones at the police and fired flares at European Union buildings Wednesday, June 4, during a protest in Brussels against rising gas prices.

Police estimated the number of protesters at around 250, but demonstrators said law enforcement agents had prevented hundreds of others from Spain and Portugal from reaching the Belgian capital.

 

Flares fired by the fishermen damaged the headquarters of the European Commission and smashed windows of a nearby building hosting EU translators. Police in anti-riot gear moved to disperse the crowd and used water cannons to extinguish burning banners.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:41:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Coming soon : Protests that the sky is bule

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:54:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, being bule is terrible. But I meant B L U E

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:54:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Barroso to inaugurate European synagogue - EUobserver

European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso will in a ceremony on Wednesday (4 June) help dedicate a Brussels temple as the "Great Synagogue of Europe," amid prayers for EU leaders to act justly.

The synagogue - an 1878 Romanesque-style building in Brussels' central Rue de la Regence - is to become a symbolic focal point for Judaism in Europe, a little like St Peter's Basilica in Rome is for Roman Catholics.

The commission head will sign a document of dedication along with two chief rabbis and two witnesses, with Mr Barroso's name also appearing on a plaque inside the building.

The event will involve the reading of a specially-drafted "Prayer for Europe" as well as singing by the European Choir - a Brussels-based team of 100 singers from 20 EU states set up in 1958 to act as "musical ambassadors for Europe."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:42:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Cyprus to allow EU aid to Turkish Cypriots -EUobserver

The Greek Cypriot government has announced it will drop legal action against EU aid to Turkish Cypriots in the north of the divided island, in a boost to chances for settling the long-term dispute between the two communities and between Europe and Turkey.

The decision unveiled by Nicosia on Tuesday (3 June) involves eight European Commission tenders "relating to services and projects for the economic development of the Turkish Cypriot community," a government spokesperson said, according to AFP.

The legal action was launched by the administration of hard-line peace-process rejectionist former president Tassos Papadopoulos. But the office of the new pro-unification president, communist Demetris Christofias, elected in February, found a legal solution to allow the tenders to take place.

According to the government's spokesperson, the compromise version of the text of the invitations for EU tenders now formally clarifies that the north is not a third country separate from the Cyprus Republic.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:43:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EU foreign policy expected to enter 'new era' - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The European Parliament is seeking to bolster its role in the bloc's common foreign and security policy (CFSP), with senior MEPs saying it is time for Europe to become a "player and not just a payer" on the world stage.

Polish centre-right MEP and head of the foreign affairs committee, Jacek Saryusz-Wolski, says that EU foreign is moving "from one era to another" with the new Lisbon Treaty, due to kick in next year.

The proposed new EU foreign minister and diplomatic service as well as the possibility for a group of member states to move ahead in defence cooperation mean foreign policy is "one of the most innovative parts of the treaty."

The fact that Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy chief, will for the first time be present at the MEPs' annual debate on CFSP on Wednesday (4 June) is in itself a "turning point," said the Pole at a briefing on Tuesday.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:44:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So when the treaty kicks in on the world stage, is it a new era, a turning point, or will Europe just be moving ahead?

(And will EUobserver ever use writers who don't speak fluent cliche?)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:01:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Pre-judging the outcome of the Irish referendum, much?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:06:57 AM EST
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German government backs enhanced surveillance - International Herald Tribune

BERLIN: Despite strong criticism from the opposition and even its own coalition partners, Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed Wednesday to give Germany's police forces greater powers to monitor homes, telephones and private computers, maintaining that an enhanced reach would protect citizens from terrorist attacks.

But opposition parties and some Social Democrats who share power with Merkel's conservative bloc criticized the measures in the draft legislation, saying they would further erode privacy rights that they contend have already been undermined, after revelations of recent snooping operations conducted by Deutsche Telekom, one of the country's biggest companies.

Deutsche Telekom had for some time been monitoring calls of its employers, despite federal regulations on strict data protection.

The proposed legislation would for the first time give federal police officers the right to take preventive measures in cases of suspected terrorism.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:49:22 PM EST
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The timing of the Telekom scandal couldn't have been better.

The plural of anecdote is bullshit.
by generic on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:19:23 PM EST
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Europe to the rescue | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

It's a long, long time since Jacques Delors, the president of what was then the European Commission, persuaded the trade unions that they could retrieve in Brussels what was being taken away from them by the Thatcher government in Whitehall. Proof of this vaulting claim has sometimes seemed a little thin on the ground, but today's agency working deal is a great victory for Europe, backbench Labour MPs and the political sophistication of the TUC.

The deal, which gives agency workers parity with permanent workers after 12 weeks, is not everything anyone wanted, but it's a lot more than the unions thought they'd get only a month or two ago. They have conceded they cannot have parity from the start of employment, and they have lost the battle for the right to sick pay and a pension: to employers, agency workers will still be significantly cheaper than their directly employed equivalents.

But agency working, although it can be a convenient option for both employers and employees, has also been used to exploit vulnerable workers and undercut wages for decades. The unions were first promised a deal before the 2005 election campaign. They've been fighting to get the government to honour its commitment ever since. In the past few weeks the squeeze has been on, and not (or not only) because the Labour party is more or less broke.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:54:28 PM EST
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The legislation is welcome, but the article smacks of desperation to me.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:31:57 AM EST
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Huge increase in wind power planned - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

A new programme to open up the UK's seas to more wind farms was launched today as part of a bid to increase massively the supply of offshore renewable power.

The Crown Estate, owner of the seabed around Britain, launched round three of its scheme to license companies to build wind farms, which it hopes will speed up the delivery of offshore renewables.

The Estate has earmarked 11 areas which have the potential to be viable offshore wind sites, due to the levels of wind, water depth and potential connection to the grid and taking in shipping and environmental concerns.

Successful bidders will be given exclusive rights to develop farms, and the Crown Estate is planning to co-fund up to 50% of the costs of getting planning consent for the projects.

The Estate said it was also prepared to fund work which would speed up wind farm delivery, such as action to address problems with the turbine and installation supply chain and connections to the grid - some of the issues faced by wind power companies.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:56:30 PM EST
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God forbid that the Crown Estate would do anything to promote use of the existing, cheaper, experienced development of land-based wind turbines in the UK...

... the strongest resource in Europe!

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:05:19 PM EST
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Hold on...

Successful bidders will be given exclusive rights to develop farms, and the Crown Estate is planning to co-fund up to 50% of the costs of getting planning consent for the projects.

So, there's no guarantee of consent, no guarantee of finance, few grants. Delay, indifference.

Let's not hold our breath that anything will happen.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:04:26 PM EST
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Berlusconi rows back on bill against immigration -DAWN - International; June 04, 2008
ROME, June 3: Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Tuesday backtracked on a controversial bill that would make illegal immigration a jailable offence after the United Nations and the Vatican criticised the measure.

Berlusconi's new conservative government last month unveiled tough measures aimed at fighting crime and illegal immigration but which critics say risk fuelling xenophobia and racism.

One of the most controversial steps, still to be discussed and approved by parliament, states that illegal entry into Italy is a crime punishable by up to four years in jail.

However Berlusconi said on Tuesday that people should not be prosecuted simply for being illegal immigrants, but their status should be considered an aggravating circumstance if they committed a crime.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:56:58 PM EST
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Italy looks ever more fitting into the company of former East Bloc countries, from Hungary to Bulgaria. (I increasingly have mad thoughts if this could have anything to do with the Azzurris being the apparent first pick of Hungarian football fans...)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:56:52 PM EST
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Hungarians cheering for Italy?

No fucking way.

Szabó is turning over in his grave, he is.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:28:06 AM EST
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Do you mean Antal Szabó, goalkeeper in the 1938 World Cup final (lost 2:4 to Italy)? (Szabó = tailor is a very common surname in Hungarian.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:21:20 AM EST
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Ah, it must be Antal Szabó from 1938. You surely remember Mussolini's "Win or die", and it was apparently Szabó who said "I may have let in four goals, but at least I saved their lives".

Somehow, the lost 1938 final is not much in football fans' collective memory, the other lost final in 1954 much more so (the the West Germans won with some referee help, but also because some Hungary players celebrated early).

By the eighties, Italy counted as respectable enemy. The national team entered the era when they stood no chance getting to the WC, but still could win or at least draw against the best teams when they felt they have to prove something. And that applied to all Hungary-Italy matches:

  • 17.10.1990: 1-1
  • 02.09.2000: 2-2
  • 22.08.2007: 3-1


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:47:50 AM EST
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Yeah, whatever happened to Hungarian football?

Btw, if Hungarians were cheering for Germany, it would be Puskas rolling over in his grave.

Maybe there's a warm spot for Italy since so many....actors and (esp.) actresses have found work in Italian...cinema (using the term loosely)?

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:49:34 AM EST
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Even electing one to parliament. Unlike a similar attempt at the vice-presidency in the U.S.  
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:13:47 AM EST
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RIA Novosti - World - Poland against permanent presence of Russian experts at U.S. base

WARSAW, June 4 (RIA Novosti) - Poland would agree only to regular inspections by Russian military experts at a planned U.S. anti-missile base in the north of the country, but not to their permanent presence, the Polish Foreign Ministry has said.

The ministry's spokesman, Piotr Paszkowski, said late on Tuesday that Warsaw would never allow the permanent presence of Russian military personnel at the base due to the "past history" of relations between Russia and Poland.

Poland and the United States have been engaged in protracted talks over a U.S. request to place 10 interceptor missiles in northern Poland as part of a U.S. missile shield for Europe and North America against possible attacks from "rogue states," including Iran.

The Pentagon's plans continue to be a major bone of contention in relations between the U.S. and Russia, which considers the project a threat to its national security. Washington has proposed a range of measures to ease Russian concerns, including regular inspections of the base in Poland by Russian military experts.

However, Russia is insisting on the permanent deployment of Russian personnel at the proposed facilities in Poland.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:57:50 PM EST
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I'm against permanent deployment of US forces in the EU, especially on bilateral basis with single member states.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:58:50 PM EST
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Even multilaterally.

I wonder why there are so many in Germany and Italy still. Did not the second world war end 63 years ago?

how many french troops today in germany? russian? british?

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:21:23 AM EST
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Actually, proportionally, Britain kept more soldiers in Germany than the USA. According to the presumably more up-to-date German Wiki, the largest contingent of the British Army abroad is still in Germany (that is ahead of Cyprus, Iraq, Afghanistan), there are still 22,500 troops, and even planned reductions would only bring it to 18,500 by 2014. The English Wiki says:

British Forces Germany (BFG) is the name for British service personnel and civilians based in Germany.[1] Disbandment of the British Army of the Rhine (BAOR) and Royal Air Force Germany (RAFG) following the end of the Cold War reduced the personnel strength of the British Armed Forces in Germany by almost 30,000.[2] The BFG is concentrated in North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony.

...

Approximately 55,000 people are associated with British Forces Germany, although only 23,000 are serving personnel.[1] The 1st Armoured Division is currently equipped with 300 Challenger 2 MBTs, 275 Warrior IFVs, 96 AS-90 Braveheart howitzers, 18 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, over 1,000 other armoured personnel carriers, and 11 Gazelle and Lynx helicopters.

France is still present, too, though I find the closure of France's last independent barracks with 1,100 soldiers in Saarburg will be discussed this summer (there were 46,000 in 1990).

The USA reduced from 280,000 to 70,000, vs. original plans of 40,000, I want zero.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:13:40 AM EST
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I agree that the foriegn forces based in Germany seem like a habit born from a bygone age. There seems no real point to it except that it's probably the only place where substantial bodies of NATO troops can gather together in joint exercises.

Which is another reason to question NATO's continued existence. US in, Soviet Union out, Germany down doesn't cut it anymore.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:35:52 AM EST
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Helen:
US in, Soviet Union out, Germany down doesn't cut it anymore.
It does in the countries of the former Eastern Bloc.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:39:47 AM EST
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Well, of course not. This is national sovereignty we're talking about here people! Would you want a foreign military presence in your nation constantly looking over your shoulder and disrupting, dare I say sabotaging, the work of a foreign military presence in your nat...oh, wait a minute...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:07:58 AM EST
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U.S. firms turning to EU in antitrust cases - International Herald Tribune

BRUSSELS: Is Europe too friendly to underdogs?

With a key decision expected soon in a European Commission investigation of Intel, the world's largest maker of computer chips, some U.S. critics of Brussels are sharpening a long-running complaint: They say that in a series of disputes involving big U.S. companies, the European antitrust authorities have been too ready to act on complaints from runners-up, particularly American ones like Advanced Micro Devices, which accuses Intel of anticompetitive behavior.

"It's an interesting thing why most of the complainants in these dominance cases in Europe happen to be American," said C. Boyden Gray, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, at a recent panel discussion on antitrust law. "That's where we do see some difficulty" with the European regulatory approach, Gray said, underlining his preference for less interventionist policies.

Advanced Micro Devices is trying to narrow the huge gap between it and Intel in the global market for computer chips, announcing Wednesday that it planned to sell a new device, called Puma, for notebook computers, several weeks ahead of an expected update of Intel's Centrino chip set. (Page 15)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 03:59:31 PM EST
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Alternate IHT : Is the USA a patsy for anti-competitive Corporate interests ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:37:15 AM EST
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How can you possibly be too friendly to underdogs?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:38:54 AM EST
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Over-dog wannabes don't like underdogs. Hence - too friendly.

Big dogs not eating little dogs is against the natural order of things. Little dogs with government protection is positively an anti-market obscenity.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:06:32 AM EST
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Romania and Bulgaria must act now to end the corruption at its heart | Bronwen Maddox: World Briefing - Times Online

In the next month Romania must prove to the European Commission that it is making some progress against the corruption that has run throughout its politics and public life. It must show that it is dragging its courts and judges farther from the communist era and closer to 21st-century Europe.

The task of convincing Brussels falls on Romania's new Justice Minister, Catalin Marian Predoiu, who faces scepticism, frustration and even anger from Brussels. Since Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in January 2007 the Commission's reports have noted in alarm that the pair, let in before they were really ready, have lost all incentive to improve, and that in corruption (and in Bulgaria's case, murder by organised crime), their standards are unacceptable. Officials say that if the July reports are bad, sanctions could follow.

Predoiu, a 39-year-old commercial lawyer, takes on a brief that others have failed to master. In Romania's struggles to haul itself out of the era of Nicolae Ceausescu, the dictator executed in 1989, the Justice Ministry has been at the heart of the storm. One of Predoiu's predecessors, Monica Macovei, became a hero in Brussels and at home for her pursuit of corrupt high-level officials and politicians.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:17:50 PM EST
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Good luck, these are bandit states.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 05:07:00 PM EST
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If only there was the prospects of membership in an organisation or association of some kind, a union if you will, that could have been used to encourage reform...oh well.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:12:40 AM EST
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Parliament Debates Data Retention in Wake of Telekom Scandal | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 04.06.2008
A week after it emerged that the telecoms giant had spied on its own employees, German MPs discussed what lawmakers could do to protect people from illegal surveillance. But there was little agreement.

Telekom boss René Obermann may have announced additional training for employees about data retention laws, but that did little to cool the tone of the Bundestag debate on Wednesday, June 4 about the spying scandal.

All the major parties condemned the illegal surveillance at the telecommunications giant, with the Left Party's Petra Pau going furthest, saying it amounted to an intentional violation of the German constitution.

But the partners in the governing grand coalition -- the conservative CDU-CSU and the Social Democrats -- disagreed vehemently over whether anti-surveillance legislation needed to be bolstered to prevent similar incidents in future.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:10:39 AM EST
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Les dessous de l'Allemagne » Blog Archive » Élève-chômeur ? L'Anpe allemande met la pression sur des mineurs
Que fait une "Arge" ("ArbeitsGEmeinschaft", Fusion entre la "Bundesagentur für Arbeit" (agence fédérale du travail) et un organisme communal) quand la pression sur les chômeurs ne suffit pas pour les faire plier à ses exigences ? Elle s'en prend à leurs enfants ! À Fribourg, comme dans d'autres villes, des enfants de parents allocataires de Hartz 4 sont traités comme des chômeurs et mis sous pression, contrairement à la loi. Une mère, son avocat et un activiste prennent position.

Jobless-pupil ? The German unemployment agency puts pressure on minors

What does the German ARbeitsGEmeinschaft do when it isn't able to pressure  unemployed persons into obeying its will ? It puts pressure on their kids ! In Freiburg, as in other towns, children of Hartz 4 assisted parents are treated like unemployed people and put under pressure, against the law. A mother, a lawyer and a militant take position.

Apparently, a 15 years old kid has been asked (illegaly, but how does he know it ?) to come to an interview at the local unemployment agency ; they are asked to provide proofs of school assiduity - else they'll have to look for a job... Will kids of unemployed people be forced to work on the side after school ? Will they be forced to give up diplomas and go for an apprenticeship ? Ah, the crime of being born poor...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:28:13 AM EST
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Might that be a violation of the Convention on the Rights of the Child>
Article 32

1. States Parties recognize the right of the child to be protected from economic exploitation and from performing any work that is likely to be hazardous or to interfere with the child's education, or to be harmful to the child's health or physical, mental, spiritual, moral or social development.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:38:09 AM EST
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Do forcing people into apprenticeships count as interfering with a kid's education ? What is the legal age of working in Germany ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:47:00 AM EST
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It does if the child doesn't want to be forced into an apprenticeship but would like to pursue different education.

Convention on the Rights of the Child

Article 12

1. States Parties shall assure to the child who is capable of forming his or her own views the right to express those views freely in all matters affecting the child, the views of the child being given due weight in accordance with the age and maturity of the child.

However, there's this
they are asked to provide proofs of school assiduity - else they'll have to look for a job...
which could be construed as evidence of lack of interest in other education. But this is a bigger problem.
In Freiburg, as in other towns, children of Hartz 4 assisted parents are treated like unemployed people and put under pressure, against the law.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 06:11:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That article 12 isn't exactly strong wording. Dozens of thousandsKids are being forced in unwanted tracks every year in France, for example, some of which include apprenticeships...

It seems Social Democrats have no problems nowadays exerting strong social pressure on the poor who are only guilty of being in a society with very high structural unemployment. In France, in Germany, and I'd bet in many of the other European countries. Royal had no qualms about using the right wing frame of "assistanat". Is it surprising these pressures are extending to kids ? Let's not forget that in France and in Germany you find social workers rummaging through people's cupboards, trying to find proofs of intimacy between people - are the pressures put on adults normal ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 06:48:54 AM EST
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That's the problem with the Social Democrats since the 1990's isn't it?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:15:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And they wonder why they are losing the vote of the working class... Once you agree to the framing that the poor are guilty and must be punished, you are pushing the right wing frame who at least will do it properly...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:45:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And also, if you're middle class and want to help the poor, the Social Democrats don't seem to be it any longer.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:47:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, if only the people to the left of the PS would become credible in France... They could probably go for 15 % of the vote...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 07:50:18 AM EST
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"if only the people to the left of the PS would become credible in France... They could probably go for 15 % of the vote... "

The way PS has been going lately, MoDem qualifies for this definition.

So you already have 15% of the vote or more going to the left of PS ;-)

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 08:03:09 AM EST
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Right, like the LibDems with respect to Labour.

However, thst 15% is not working class.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 08:08:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Half of that vote at least is the traditional UDF vote - the Bayrou vote in 2002. Among the other part, many just wanted Sarko to be beaten, and others think the PS has not clearly enough broken with its Socialist past... And Bayrou's programme is not to the left of the PS yet, quite clearly.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 08:22:34 AM EST
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The Scotsman on Sunday has more on the secret document that Megrahi's lawyers are demanding for his appeal. I don't know how reliable the information here is, but it's more detailed than anything I've seen before. In particular, the mysterious unnamed foreign government seems to be German (I was guessing it was the Swiss).
THE top-secret document at the heart of the Lockerbie bombing appeal confirms beyond doubt the bomb timer was supplied to countries other than Libya, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.
The information in the document was a key part of the Crown's case that the timer used in the bomb was supplied only to Libya. It also appears to confirm that the method of attack was typical of a Palestinian terror cell in Germany.

Scotland on Sunday's source confirmed: "The document dispels any doubts about the supply of MST-13s (timers] elsewhere."

He added: "There is considerable detail about the method used to conceal the bomb. The use of a small Semtex bomb concealed inside a Toshiba radio-cassette recorder was not linked to Libyan terror activity, but to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC), the first suspects in the case."

There is growing suspicion among Lockerbie experts that the document could even provide the UK with a way to get Megrahi out of jail without facing a re-trial and thorough examination of aspects of the case that would embarrass the Crown Office and Westminster.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:33:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Trying to figure out what this is all about...

Wikipedia: Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi

On June 28, 2007 the SCCRC concluded its four-year review and, having uncovered evidence that a miscarriage of justice could have occurred, the Commission granted Megrahi leave to appeal against his Lockerbie bombing conviction for a second time.[12] The second appeal at the Court of Criminal Appeal is unlikely to be heard before the latter part of 2008.

Megrahi's legal team, who conducted their own investigation of the case in parallel to the SCCRC's review, are expected to tell the appeal judges that the entire case is flawed. His solicitor, Tony Kelly, said:

"There's not one aspect of the case that's been left untouched."[13]

New information casting fresh doubts about Megrahi's conviction was examined at a procedural hearing at the Judicial Appeal Court (Court of Session building) in Edinburgh on October 11, 2007:

  1. His lawyers claim that vital documents, which emanate from the CIA and relate to the Mebo timer that allegedly detonated the Lockerbie bomb, were withheld from the trial defence team.[14]
  2. Tony Gauci, chief prosecution witness at the trial, is alleged to have been paid $2 million for testifying against Megrahi.[15]
  3. Mebo's owner, Edwin Bollier, has claimed that in 1991 the FBI offered him $4 million to testify that the timer fragment found near the scene of the crash was part of a Mebo MST-13 timer supplied to Libya.[16]
  4. Former employee of Mebo, Ulrich Lumpert, swore an affidavit in July 2007 that he had stolen a prototype MST-13 timer in 1989, and had handed it over to "a person officially investigating the Lockerbie case".[17]

Prior to Megrahi's second appeal, another four procedural hearings in the Edinburgh Appeal Court are scheduled to be heard between December 2007 and June 2008



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:43:09 AM EST
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Oops... sorry. I've been following this regularly (having had strong doubts about the conviction right from the start), and I forgo