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by In Wales
Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:10:02 PM EST

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How neglectful of me. I came home from work and fell asleep before I could get the OT up.  Better late than never!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:11:39 PM EST
Hope you enjoyed your nap. :-)

Here it is getting darker by the minute - a thunderstorm is building up. I like the smell of it, and the colors - though tried to take pictures, the colors just don't show the same way as in nature.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:37:29 PM EST
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the colors just don't show the same way as in nature

What have you been drinking ? :-))

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:44:36 PM EST
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????? :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:47:34 PM EST
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Best shot:

The picture could be called: Darkness over France! :-D

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:49:32 PM EST
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That's lovely!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:54:37 PM EST
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See!!! that's what I mean - I felt it was dramatic, not lovely. :-) I was just not able to get it on the picture.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:57:19 PM EST
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Darkness over France sounds like an FT headline.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:56:41 PM EST
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You think they might pay me something for it? :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:58:03 PM EST
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"An air of optimism still pervades France's chic patisseries and lingeries stores. But nearby..." (Etc, etc.)
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:02:16 PM EST
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Ezra Klein on The politics of masculinity

I've been sort of struggling with whether to write this post, but after Daniel Larison and Matt Stoller both toed around the point while offering their takes on Webb, I guess it's worth doing. Let me start by saying that this isn't really about James Webb. He is who he is, and this post has nothing to do with his positions on the issues. But then, nor does most of the excitement around his candidacy. Rather, Webb represents something of almost transcendent importance to some post-Bush liberals: The opportunity to out-tough the GOP. A candidate who's not only a liberal, but in no way a sissy. He is the daywalker, combining a progressive's positions with a southern militarist's affectations.

But this is not a sustainable approach to politics. Democrats can't out-tough the GOP. It's possible that James Webb can do it. But he's sui generis; a Democrat who can win at politics when played under Republican rules. Democrats love those candidates, because they think of presidential elections as an away game, and they're endlessly hunting for the candidate who plays best under those conditions.

But Democrats can't win at politics when played under Republican rules. Progressivism can't prosper when politics is played under Republican rules. It needs to make its own rules.

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Now, studies show that women do not, in fact, perform worse in primaries than men. In fact, in Democratic primaries, the evidence since 1990 is that they do better (see my article in the forthcoming American Prospect for more on this). But they run less often -- for a host of reasons, but one of which is that they think they're more likely to lose. And that idea is inextricably intertwined with a political culture in which progressives and conservatives alike get very excited over hypermasculine candidates. That's not a fight women can win, and nor, according to the election results, is it one they need to win. But perception matters when women are deciding whether to run for office, and the perception that the dudelier you are, the more likely you are to win, is a dangerous one.

h/t The sideshow

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:33:14 PM EST
A candidate who's not only a liberal, but in no way a sissy.

I'm sorry, but while Webb may have some liberal positions on economics, and while opposition to the war might be decidedly "liberal" (if "liberal" now refers to someone being not-stupid), Webb has 19th Century views about women.  His views on women -- and, granted, maybe they've changed, but I've yet to see a real mea culpa on this -- are scary.

What the idea of Webb really comes down to for many of these people is a belief that throwing any dumb redneck into the Veep slot will magically pull the Appalachian vote.  Sorry, but it's a little more complicated than that.  I know the press doesn't want to say anything, but most of those people will never vote for a black guy with a name that sounds Islamic to them.  They're isolated, poor, angry, depressed, and -- yes -- very racist in that part of the country.  Jim Webb isn't going to change that.

How could he?  The problem is that the idea of Webb being liked by those people is complete bullshit.  Webb has no pull with those people.  His coalition in Virginia is essentially the same coalition as Obama's (blacks, plus middle- and upper-class whites in the cities), except to say that Obama is viewed much more favorably here.  (Obama is actually more popular than Webb with working-class whites in Virginia.)  Webb is tolerated in Virginia because of the fact that he's a Democrat at a time when Republicans are hated.  He might actually drag down Obama, because his net approval here is a statistically insignificant +2.

I keep bringing up Tim Kaine, if they want to go the Upper South route to the nomination, because Kaine actually does have pull with these people.  Kaine's net approval is about +25.  Or Edwards.  Kaine and Edwards could pick off a few moderates in Appalachia for Obama.

Look, I'm alright with Webb as a senator.  He's very good on a lot of issues, as one of the few Dems willing to speak out strongly on economic and social justice.  But he's not cut out for this, and he comes with lousy ratings and too much baggage at a time when Obama needs to be uniting the party.  Especially given some of the ill will among older female Dems, picking Webb would be playing with fire.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:38:12 PM EST
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Oh, I have the same problems with Webb as you. And someone that backward on women's rights isn't likely to be good for lgbt issues either (although I freely confess I don't know his views there).

Obama needs to step carefully on those issues cos his Donnie McClurkin moment left a sour taste with a lot of people. Not that gay people have anywhere else to go in the Presidential, but a VP who is seen as anti-gay will not bode well.

No I think the point being made is that people like Webb for the very reasons that Ezra Klein points up, but that, right now, they're not very good reasons for Obama to pick him.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:01:33 PM EST
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As I understand it, Webb actually isn't bad on lgbt issues.  He's no Paul Hackett -- I'm still pissed at Reid for throwing Hackett away -- but not bad as southern Dems go.

I could be wrong about that, but that's my memory.

Webb's real issues seem to revolve around women in the military, because he believes (believed?) women are (were?) not physically capable of doing as well as men, and that they are (were?) distractions.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:05:08 PM EST
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if "liberal" now refers to someone being not-stupid

This is pretty much what it means right now, the Overton window having slipped so much towards professed stupidity.


Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:48:29 PM EST
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Almost everyone underestimates Webb.  Almost everyone has him pigeonholed in a tiny little box composed of two or three stereotypes.  Webb is not a conservative, he is a populist.  He is not a Republican and never was, really.  Even when he served in Reagan's cabinet he was a loose cannon, a free thinker who spoke his mind, often at odds with the power structure around him.  When he left there was no love lost on either side.  And the views on women for which he has received so much flak were the views of a class of Naval Academy midshipmen a generation ago.  Webb faithfully reported the views he found there, which he may or may not have shared at the time.  Even if he did share them, his tenure as Navy Secretary would seem to indicate that his views on women in the military have evolved.  He opened more billets to women in the military than any Secretary before or since.

Webb defies any convenient stereotype..  He is much more than a macho Marine, or a woman hating redneck.  He is a deep thinker, a very complex person.  Besides his history of military and government service, he did time as an award winning journalist.  He has written several novels and some nonfiction, and has taught literature at Annapolis.

If you want to understand what Jim Webb is really about, you need to read his words.  I highly recommend Born Fighting.
It is the story of the Scots-Irish, from their origins in the Lowland and Borders areas of Scotland to their current presence as a significant and enduring substrate of American culture.  It is an interesting story about an interesting people, told from a deeply personal, at times autobiographical, point of view.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:23:13 PM EST
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Lyndon Johnson defined the art of politics as consisting of "knowing when to hold a knife to a man's belly and when to push it in."  My sense for Webb is that he knows both.  I am sick unto death of wimpy, timid democrats. I want someone who will stomp holes and drive stakes through the sons of bitches that have got us into this mess, someone who knows how to do business up close and personal with a knife.  I think Webb qualifies on these counts.  The simmering anger shows through in TV interviews.  He seems good on his feet.  

It is in this regard that I have the greatest concern about Obama.  He might make a great Secretary of State.  But what we need now is a domestic "war leader" who will aggressively and cunningly cut out the cancer that is at the heart of the US political and economic order.  It needs to be done quickly. The first hundred days. Of the major democratic candidates I favored Edwards because, in part, he had fought the vested interests on behalf of the lowly and won. I think Webb might be even better, but neither is an option now.

I just hope that Obama has personal qualities he has not yet shown.  He will need them if elected.  He could compensate by selecting a strong staff and cabinet.  I do believe Obama could use the presidency to sell the people on the need for getting the Ship of State off the shoals before the hurricane hits.  Webb could help from the Senate. I would rather see him there than as Secretary of Defense.  Edwards would make an excellent Attorney General.  Impeach Chief Justice Roberts and replace him with Hillary.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 07:52:20 PM EST
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I agree with almost everything you wrote here.  I think Webb is the sort who could use a knife efficiently and dispassionately  if the need arose.  But I think he would be much more likely to call someone out in the street at high noon and make them defend their actions in broad daylight.

And I too have my misgivings about Obama.  I think he represents almost everyone's best hopes of what politics in America could be or become.  I'm not at all sure he has the skill or the will to survive the stilettos under the togas that he will face if he is elected.  And I mean that metaphorically and politically of course, although there is more than whiff of something more real and more violent in comments that float around from time to time.  I've heard variations on the theme of if he lives that long more than once in what I thought were casual conversations.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 10:28:00 AM EST
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The Rude Pundit says something about peace and security

And then, without any sense of irony, he later said, "We understand that free societies are peaceful societies." One might think that means that free societies don't start wars just for shits and giggles, but the Rude Pundit isn't even sure what the fuck Bush means by "freedom," let alone "peaceful."

He's pretty sure, though, that Bush doesn't understand what those things mean, too, because if "freedom" is a weapon in an arsenal, the biggest goddamn arrow in the quiver, then doesn't that imply that "peace" ain't exactly the main thing on the mind of those who would wield the rocket launcher of freedom?
.......................

In other words, the entire faux basis for Bush's foreign policy, the notion that "freedom" in and of itself will make glittery rainbows appear over Basra and unicorn ponies run through the Khyber Pass, is a house of lies on a pile of shit. Our shit. Made in the USA.

h/t The Sideshow

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:38:26 PM EST
David Corn is in Mother Jones answering the question, "Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time?"

There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown.

.................................

Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm co-chairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure."

h/t The sideshow

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 01:43:00 PM EST
Nice catch, Helen.  This is one shady dude.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:34:40 PM EST
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Balkans Safer Than Western Europe, UN Says | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.05.2008
A new United Nations report says the Balkans, once known as a hotbed for crime and violence amid Yugoslav wars and the collapse of Communism, have become safer than western Europe.

The Balkans have made huge strides in cutting conventional crimes such as homicide, robbery, rape, burglary and assault but challenges still remain in the form of organized crime and its links to politicians and business, a new UN report concludes.

"Some of you will be surprised," said Antonio Maria Costa, executive director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), which compiled the report, at a news conference in Brussels. "In general, if you look at conventional crime, the levels of these crimes across the region are by far lower than they used to be, particularly at the beginning of the 1990s."

The UN report says that the levels of conventional crime are now lower in the Balkans than in Western Europe.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:22:40 PM EST
Hmm, I wonder how they really determine that as different legal systems define certain crimes very differently.

I think there are reasons for this and it has little to do with being a more law-abiding country.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:27:45 PM EST
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What would those reasons be?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:38:19 PM EST
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Linca's close, but I've had a couple of beers and it's a nuanced discussion I haven't the confidence to get right now.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:01:32 PM EST
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More importantly, with the possible exception of homicide, crime statistics depend as much as whether crimes are reported as to whether they actually happened. And governments can and do regularly try to lower crime by having it being under reported.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:56:31 PM EST
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I've heard that one of the reasons Japan has such a ridiculously low crime rate is that many of the murders and whatnot that do take place are re-classified by the police as "suicides" if they don't think they can solve the crime.  Police career advancement depends upon a perfect 1/1 rate of crimes/convictions, so there's a good deal of pressure to hide crimes that are either really unsolvable, or lead in uncomfortable directions.
by Zwackus on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 06:47:07 PM EST
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That's exactly what I was meaning.

In France, especially since Sarkozy got the Interior ministry, there is a very strong statistics related pressure on the numbers of felony reported. Convincing someone who had their uninsured cell phone stolen not to register a formal complaint isn't that hard, and happens very regularly.
 

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 07:00:29 PM EST
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EU plans 'political MySpace' - EUobserver.com
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Plans are being developed to launch a social networking site for MEPs and MPs to boost contacts between politicians across Europe and promote a trans-European democracy.

Myparl.eu - officially to be launched in October - is a website currently under construction that aims to work along the same lines as the popular MySpace or Facebook social networking services, but in addition to linking social contacts is supposed to foster debate about legislative proposals coming both out of Brussels and from national parliaments.

The first official talks on the project, which is sponsored by the European Commission and will receive EU funds, took place in Brussels on Thursday (28 May) involving MEPs and the 27 national co-ordinators for each member state.

Daniela Vincenti Mitchener, editor of the site, told EUobserver the project is about "creating a transnational community of ideas" and that it will alert MPs to MPs in other countries "who are thinking alike."
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:24:06 PM EST
Hardly a mini odds & ends...

I've spent, oh, the whole day trying to plan to see SATC this weekend.  Going to the movies should not be this complicated.  Jesus, seeing a Russian art film was easier than this!

Obama has another, and worse, IMO Preacher Fiasco on his hands.  Jesus, this is psychopathic.  It PAINS me to say it, because Father Pfleger has been a pillar in the social justice community in Chicago, fighter for tougher gun laws and more fair immigration policies.  But damn, this was stupid.  I don't even know what priests are doing endorsing candidates, but this is over the top.  Makes me wish I'd voted for Hillary twice!  grrrr.  

Some dude is on a hunger strike over the Czech missile shield.

Brilliant article in the eXile, if you've not already read it.  Sometimes I think the whole world has gone mad, and then I read Sean, and am relieved to find one sane person left...

The Balkans are safer than Sweden.  Makes me wonder what's happened to Sweden...

No one wants to go to the book fair with me.  Everyone wants to see SATC with me.  Everyone wants to have dinner with me.  Everyone wants to do political events with me.  No one wants to go to the book fair with me.  How did my life come to this?  Have I strayed off the path, or did everyone quit reading?!

Erm, have a nice weekend, y'all!

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:09:58 PM EST
Still waiting for the Legoland pics, btw. ;)

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:10:42 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:55:50 PM EST
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This is Sweden's largest offshore windfarm (just across from Copenhaguen airport) somewhat visible there.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:57:40 PM EST
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More here: Lillgrund

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:02:44 PM EST
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Those aren't windmills, those are angels signifying christ's return! I hope you've all repented lest you burn for infinity!

(or get a lens with better zoom)

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:04:11 PM EST
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Sorry, but with the absence of identifiable wind turbines it looks like a british windfarm, ie exists only in Brown's imagination.

{/snark}

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:06:22 PM EST
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Where we look out and see the open water, Jerome looks out and sees ... windfarms.  He is a man with a vision.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:09:44 PM EST
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Wow, that is seriously disappointing!  I was hoping for entire cities made of legos!  A whole life size legoworld!

Why has Legogirl no pants on?  I don't even know what is going on in that picture...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:03:45 PM EST
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What was a preacher doing saying those things ? Yea, I know it's the USA and this stuff IOKIYAR, but I think that you could try having a separation of church and state cos right now you have all these ejiits who think they can just talk crap and it's okay cos they saw Tweety do it on tv.

The only european politican who had a spiritual guide lately was Blair and I think that's a lesson for all of us. Barak, just say no.

They all want ot come to dinner cos
i) they're lazy
ii) going out to dinner = good excuse for booze
iii) you cook well, or at least you talk a good dinner.

We want a full review of SATC. Can't make the book fair, sorry


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:43:03 PM EST
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"When Hillary was crying, and people said that was put on, I really don't believe it was put on," Pfleger said. "I really believe that she just always thought this is mine. I'm Bill's wife, I'm white and this is mine. I just gotta get up and step into the plate and then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn. Where did you come from? I'm white. I'm entitled. There's a black man stealing my show.' "

Sounds about right to me, although Hillary would be thinking it regardless of who the "upstart" was.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:47:29 PM EST
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Pfleger isn't going to mean anything.  He's a white Catholic, for one thing, so the Unruly Negro DiseaseTM dynamic doesn't play.  The Hizilla Personality Cult will be angry, because teh boiz are ganging up on her.  Obama supporters will agree with him, but find him mildly annoying for different reasons.  Conservatives' heads will explode, as they won't know whether to react to the "white" sentence or the overall Hillary-bashing.

This is all setting aside the issue of Pfleger's statements being, you know, true.  I thought his would've made for a nice response to Gerry "The Niggers Have It So Easy" Ferraro.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:18:03 PM EST
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Speaking of Ferraro, did you catch this gem?

They're not upset with Obama because he's black; they're upset because they don't expect to be treated fairly because they're white.


you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:52:01 PM EST
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Look, it's standard-issue, upper-class racism of the Yankee variety.  Ferraro is every entitled old piece of garbage from Long Island I had to deal with growing up in Florida.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:54:41 PM EST
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I'm just endlessly fascinated by the lies we tell ourselves.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:02:39 PM EST
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Well, what you've got after decades of Republicans crying "reverse-racism" is a substantial portion of the white electorate now angry for those reasons, and it's not isolated to the Republican Party.  If they're not bitching about blacks getting all of these imaginary breaks, they're bitching about Latinos stealing the jobs of (to use one person's words) "hard-working Americans, white Americans."  It's a pretty common sentiment, in my experience.

The irony, of course, is that Gerry Ferraro was nominated for VP simply because Mondale was gambling on a woman bringing out lots of women.  She's the quintessential affirmative-action candidate, as she's openly admitted.

Had Hillary not voted for the war, this wouldn't be an issue.  Ferraro can bitch and moan about sexism or reverse-racism or the press or whatever bogeyman she and the rest of the Clinton Personality Cult are fighting this week, but the bottom line is that Hillary lost because of Iraq.  Some of them know that but won't admit it, some of them are too blind.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:15:08 PM EST
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The other funny bit is that the Clintonistas are shocked, just shocked, that those blacks in the crowd would cheer Pfleger, even though for months people have been telling them that black folks are pissed at them, and even though for months we've watched Hillzilla's net approval with blacks plummet.

But nobody could've seen that coming....

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:36:29 PM EST
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I watched the video. On what planet is that a sermon?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:37:03 PM EST
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On planet repugnican. It's okay when Hagee, Parsley et al do it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:45:10 PM EST
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It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with some priest being a wise ass about the Queen of Everything.  The only reason the church, or Pfleger being a priest, is even mentioned is because of the fact that it happened at Trinity.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:52:50 PM EST
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Yours, Mig.  Yours.

Scared?  You should be...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:04:54 PM EST
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Have I told you the story of how I finished my PhD 6 months ahead of schedule so I could run away from the country that reelected Dubya?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:30:06 PM EST
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No.  So we actually have him to thank for something, eh?

Have I told you the story of the day after that election I saw a woman crying on the train over the results, and then, on the way home, this was very scary, some girl on the bus had an absolute nervous breakdown.  At first she was just yelling and acting berzerk, and when this happens, you just assume mental illness or drugs.  But then she started going off on George Bush being evil and how she was going to "put a cap in" anyone who voted for him.  (FWIW, this was in the same neighborhood our unhinged pastors  preach in - the anger is palpable and legit.  The way it is expressed is ... unfortunate.)  Anyway, the driver had to pull over and call the cops.  On any other day she would have just been the crack fiend on the bus.  But that day - she was just saying what everyone was feeling.  Wow, that day sucked.  I remember thinking it should be a national day of mourning.  Like, how can you be expected to go to work after that?  

I suppose it is good you could get out.  Most can't.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:47:39 PM EST
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I was reading today about the Fowler Ridge Wind Farm in Benton County, Indiana. It is a two phase project, with plans to produce 450 megawatts in the first phase with an additional 300 megawatts worth of capacity added in 2009.

Key information from the article:

Farmers will receive payments of between $5,000 and $9,000 per year for allowing turbines to be sited on their land.

Jewel Gretencord said three wind turbines are being constructed on her family's corn and soybean farm, offering a steady income as crop prices gyrate up and down.

"It's guaranteed money," Gretencord said.

Benton County government already is reaping benefits from the wind farm, with BP and Dominion paying the county $680,000 for building permits for the first 222 turbines, County Council President Bruce Buchanan said.

In exchange for a granting a sliding 10-year tax abatement on the turbines, the county will receive annual $1 million payments for four years. It estimates those payments and later tax payments will add up to $55 million within 20 years.

I wish to know if the lease payments to the farmers for the land use are comparable to other wind farm lease payments. I'm also wondering about the costs of producing per megawatt versus the market price per megawatt, generally speaking; and, are the tax abatements for the wind farm reasonable?

by wanderindiana (wanderindiana at gmail dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:19:15 PM EST
Man, I want enough land for 10 turbines, then I can retire.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:45:56 PM EST
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What is it, 100 hectares per MW? For 10 5MW turbines you'd need 5,000 hectares. And a hectare can cost about €10k so you need €50M. With €50M you can certainly retire without having to buy land to lease to a windfarm.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:57:33 PM EST
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I bet that in places where the only possible agriculture is very extensive, land can be had for much less money. Wind productivity, on the other hand, is at worst unchanged, possibly better...

And agricultural land in France is at around 5000 €/ha.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 06:57:41 PM EST
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I'll give you a factor of 10 - you still need €5M to buy land for 10 5MW turbines.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:26:29 AM EST
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  • a few thousand dollars per turbine per year is indeed the kind of number you see elsewhere

  • prices should be counted per MWh, not per MW. A turbine is typically 2MW these days. 1 MW produces about 2,500 MWh per year. Each MWh is sold for around $30-50, and, being wind, gets an additional $20 via the PTC mechanism (tax credits). So one 2 MW turbine generates about $300,000 per year. Long term operating costs are 5-10% of that, so with a 300MW wind farm you're talking about net revenue before debt repayment of about $40M.

  • wind farms bring local taxes, income to farmers, and they bring local jobs. The rule of thumb is that you have one permanent job per 20MW (25 guys for one year, and one guy for 25 years per 50MW).


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:51:17 PM EST
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Thank you! I knew this was the place to ask such a question. I bow to your knowledge and your kindness.
by wanderindiana (wanderindiana at gmail dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 11:12:17 PM EST
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Traditionally, leases to the wind rights holder (landowner) amount to a minimum of 2% of gross annual revenue a year.  Thus in J's example, the annual revenue to the farmer or rancher would be $6K/turbine.  The royalty fee usually increases after the debt service period, say after the first ten years, to around 4%.  In addition, there is very often an upfront installation fee paid at the start of construction, in the range of $5-10K per turbine.  (these are US rates.)

This doesn't quite compare with the standard 8% leases in the oil'n'gas industry.  But thankfully, it also doesn't compare with the leases in the "gold rush" early days of windpower, when we had to pay 5% leases rising to 10-12% after debt service.  Interestingly, the Altamont Pass windfarms, even with such high royalty rates, became cash cows for the owners after debt service was paid off, remaining profitable even though the early turbines did require high maintenance costs.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 04:46:18 AM EST
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And, round numbers, what does it cost to put up a turbine, from bare ground to making megawatts?

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 10:40:03 AM EST
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the solar engineer who put in my system, (up and running, yay!), told me that if you have land with good wind access, the incentives are better, and you get a bigger yield on investment than pv panels.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:29:55 PM EST
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Pickens is paying farmers and ranchers about $500/month/turbine.


If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 08:14:47 PM EST
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British holidaymaker wins compensation because his hotel was full of Germans | Mail Online

When businessman David Barnish treated his family to a holiday at a luxury resort, he was soon dismayed to find their hotel dominated by Germans.

But it wasn't an abundance of beach towels on the sunbeds by breakfast time which was to spoil the family's fun - rather that the sports activities and entertainment were only offered in German.

Today Mr Barnish told of his delight after a judge awarded him £750 compensation from tour operator Thomson after agreeing that the firm's brochure had mislead him by failing to make clear that the hotel on the Greek island of Kos catered for a mainly German clientele.

The self-employed finance broker had paid almost £4,000 to take wife Karen, 36, and daughters Molly, aged 12, Gemma, 19, and 21-year-old Kim, on a week-long holiday to the Grecotel Park Royal in Marmari last August.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:54:14 PM EST
BRITONS IN GERMAN HOLIDAY-OF-A-LIFETIME HELL

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:09:06 PM EST
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I imagine it's front-page news at the Daily Mail.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:22:35 PM EST
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that happened to a friend of mine. He said that the experience was "interesting" as things you wouldn't expect were just subtly, strangely "different".

He enjoyed it cos the beer selection in the bar was so much better.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:36:48 PM EST
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Someone has to:

I'm finding it hard to believe that an international hotel had staff who couldn't speak English, or that none of the Germans could.

If I were feeling cynical I'd wonder if maybe our innocent victim was being such a PITA that the staff decided to play along.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:54:39 PM EST
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that's funny....!

i heard from real estate agents round here that some germans buying property will only commit if they can't see any other germans from their house!

disclaimer: i like germans, lol.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:32:36 PM EST
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BBC News | Terror concessions being planned

The government is preparing to offer Labour MPs a major concession to avoid losing a vote on terror detentions, the BBC has learned.

Ministers want to extend the limit suspects can be held without charge to 42 days, which many Labour MPs oppose.

To avoid losing a Commons vote, the government is to suggest halving the period during which police can use these extra powers.

The BBC's James Landale said this was a "significant concession".

Emergency powers

This could see Prime Minister Gordon Brown lose a Commons vote.

If Brown loses this vote, how far off can a confidence vote be?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:30:49 PM EST
Miles from a confidence vote. Labour MPs don't know what to think yet, they're at a TINA point (there is no alternative)

I hope/suspect they're gonna lose. Most pundits don't understand why Brown is pushing it, nobody but him seems to want it and an awful lot of people don't. The police don't, the judiciary don't, civil liberties are obviously against, it just seems like a mess conceived to paint the tories as "weak on terrrorism" in a time when fear is past its sell-by date.

It's not an issue in the papers yet, but I suspect it will be if it goes through. It's tailor-made as an assault of "British freedom, vote tory to save your liberty".

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:43:18 PM EST
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Which is awful, because the only ones who care at all about civil liberties are the Lib-Dems.  "Vote Tory: Lose Your Liberties Anyway, but Give Your Boss a Tax Cut."

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:50:28 PM EST
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T-shirt!
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:55:55 PM EST
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Or better yet for a t-shirt: "Vote Tory: Go Fuck Yourselves."

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:00:06 PM EST
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yeah, what about some ET t-shirts?

anyone into that?

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:43:09 PM EST
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Mmm, and what would be the graphics?

An outstretched glowing finger on a night-sky background with the caption "ET phone Brussels" ?


Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 07:18:01 PM EST
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well, the logo for a start...

maybe the logo on top, then a choice of some quote from the treasure trove of great comments, sigs etc...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:09:57 PM EST
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No, a substantial part of the labour party recognise this too. which is why it will probably fail. But it won't trigger a confidence motion, just a lot of people muttering about "enough already with the fear issue".

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:59:44 PM EST
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A substantial part?  50 Labour MPs apparently care enough to oppose this joke of a plan.  That's pretty pathetic, isn't it?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:04:09 PM EST
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Pathetic yes, but enough. I think I've rehearsed my objections to the way that ideological purity was the only criterion for selecting labour MPs in the last 15 years to not have to bother

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:11:04 PM EST
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Labour have 28 more MPs than half of the House of Commons so having 50 switch sides on a vote is more than enough. That those 50 are just one in seven labour MPs is pathetic, but that's what you have.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:34:42 PM EST
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I love this remix (not worksafe)



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 04:55:44 PM EST
I liked Barely Political's remake:



Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:45:34 PM EST
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You know, I have to object to making fun of Lenny from Of mice and men and of Charlie from Flowers for Algernon. Besides, those were nice guys and we're talking about Bill O'Reilly here.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:51:15 PM EST
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What is it with Bill ? I mean, he's like 104, where is this rage coming from ? Has he got anything else except hate ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 06:52:22 PM EST
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Hysterical

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 06:50:23 PM EST
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Wonderful remix. When was it shot?  He looks very young.  Bill'O's journalistic ability seems much better fitted to an entertainment gossip site.  Too bad they didn't keep him.  Is the un-remixed version of this video how Inside Edition gave Bill his pink slip?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 01:01:37 AM EST
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Deaf Viewers Demand Public Broadcasters Provide Subtitles

While European producers of sign language programming met in Helsinki this week to discuss how to make their shows more appealing to mainstream viewers, European broadcasters struggle with requirements to subtitle all programmes they transmit....

...The EU Parliament wants a law that would require European public broadcasters to subtitle all of their programs. The Parliament aims to ensure that all viewers, including those who are hard of hearing, are able to watch public television.

Partial or complete loss of hearing affects some 83 million people in the EU, and given the ageing population, this figure is set to grow. Subtitling also aids in foreign-language learning, says the European Parliament.



You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:07:34 PM EST
I'm all for that.  It provides better access for a wider audience than just deaf/HOH.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 07:25:44 PM EST
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For instance, it is a great boon to those learning English.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 08:17:11 PM EST
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From the you can't make this shit up department.

AP via Google: Japanese woman caught living in man's closet

A homeless woman who sneaked into a man's house and lived undetected in his closet for a year was arrested in Japan after he became suspicious when food mysteriously began disappearing.

Police found the 58-year-old woman Thursday hiding in the top compartment of the man's closet and arrested her for trespassing, police spokesman Hiroki Itakura from southern Kasuya town said Friday.

The resident of the home installed security cameras that transmitted images to his mobile phone after becoming puzzled by food disappearing from his kitchen over the past several months.

I'm thinking Kitano might be able to make a good movie out of this.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 05:44:24 PM EST


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