European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 12. May

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Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:00:10 AM EST
BBC:  Serbian reformers claim victory

Serbian President Boris Tadic has claimed victory in the general election with early results suggesting a big lead for his pro-Western alliance.

Mr Tadic said Serbs had chosen the path of integration with Europe but he vowed his new government would not recognise Kosovo as an independent state.

Despite its lead, his bloc will have to seek a coalition with other parties.

Its ultra-nationalist rivals say they could still muster enough support for a nationalist coalition against him.



Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:17:11 AM EST
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Pro-EU Forces Win in Serbia | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 12.05.2008
Pro-Western forces in Serbia claimed victory on Monday after general elections gave them a mandate to strengthen ties with the European Union.

Fears of a nationalist backlash over the newly independent province of Kosovo proved unfounded as Serbians went to the polls on the weekend, with tallies by the electoral commission showing the "For a European Serbia" alliance spearheaded by the Democratic Party (DS) set to secure up to 39 percent of the vote.

"The citizens of Serbia have undoubtedly confirmed a clear European path," President Boris Tadic, the flag-bearer of the pro-European forces, told jubilant supporters overnight.

"It is necessary to form a government as soon as possible," Tadic said in his DS campaign headquarters.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:18:10 AM EST
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Serbia's pro-Europe forces claim election win - EUobserver.com
The European Union is set to breathe a sign of relief as the pro-Western alliance led by President Boris Tadic won Sunday's parliamentary elections, but the country's nationalists have warned that they too can hammer out a coalition government.

According to projected election results reported by an independent monitoring group, the Centre for Free Elections and Democracy, Mr Tadic's Democratic Party and its allies gained 38.7 percent of the votes and secured 103 out of 250 seats in the country's parliament - not enough to form a coalition on his own.

The Serbian Radical Party of Tomislav Nikolic took 29.1 percent and 77 seats, while outgoing prime minister Vojislav Kostunica and his nationalist Democratic Party of Serbia won 11.3 percent and 30 seats.

The Socialists of the late Slobodan Milosevic with 7.9 percent of the votes and 20 seats in the parliament are set to play a decisive role, as parties need to have at least 126 MPs in order to put in place a stable government.

Of the some seven million Serbs eligible to vote, 60.7 percent participated in the poll.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:20:06 AM EST
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I doubt this is the end of the affair. Mere electoral superiority doesn't mean this issue is concluded. The cultural issues being debated go to the heart of serbian national identity and cannot be resolved by a mere plebiscite.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:17:53 AM EST
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Indeed; and we just aren't given quite enough data.
...Mr Tadic's Democratic Party and its allies gained 38.7 percent of the votes and secured 103 out of 250 seats in the country's parliament - not enough to form a coalition on his own.

The Serbian Radical Party of Tomislav Nikolic took 29.1 percent and 77 seats, while outgoing prime minister Vojislav Kostunica and his nationalist Democratic Party of Serbia won 11.3 percent and 30 seats.

The Socialists of the late Slobodan Milosevic with 7.9 percent of the votes and 20 seats in the parliament...

So, if one presumes that the Milosevic Socialists are somehow close to the nationalist Nikolic Radical's, they could have 77+20=97 seats compared to the Tadic Democrats 103 parliamentary seats.

That's 200 of the 250 available...what is the disposition of those 50?

And it shouldn't go unremarked, that EU-friendly Tadic has  "... vowed his new government would not recognise Kosovo as an independent state."

Further into the breech...

It's a wonder that people wonder why the aristocracy lose their heads in revolutions.

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:26:27 AM EST
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SwissInfo:  Swiss NGO defends biopiracy claim

Non-governmental Swiss group Berne Declaration is helping a South African community challenge two European patents concerning use of its local plants in medicines.

German pharmaceutical company Dr Willmar Schwabe, which holds the patents and makes the highly successful umckaloabo® product based on the plants, has denied any wrongdoing.

The dispute, before the European Patent Office in Munich, Germany, involves two species of pelargonium - a type of geranium native to the Eastern Cape of South Africa.

Extracts have been in use in Europe for more than 100 years. Dr Willmar Schwabe markets umckaloabo® for coughs and respiratory complaints.

The two patent challenges - on the extraction method used and the exclusive use of pelargonium in Aids treatments - are being brought by the community of Alice with the African Centre for Biosafety (ACB).

ACB director Mariam Mayat told swissinfo that the community believed that the patents were unlawful and undermined its rights. She was speaking at a media conference in Zurich on Thursday.

"The community has since time immemorial had access to these plants and have used the roots to treat in a traditional way various ailments, in humans and animals," she said, adding that the plant was suffering over exploitation.



Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:50:49 AM EST
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Italian minister wants to bring back border checks
Reuters via IHT

Italy's new interior minister wants to re-impose border controls for travellers from Europe's passport-free Schengen zone as part of security measures to crack down on crime and immigration.

The package drawn up by Roberto Maroni, a member of the anti-immigration Northern League, would make illegal immigration a crime punishable by up to four years' imprisonment, according to details published by newspapers on Sunday.

The package will be presented at a cabinet meeting this week. It is expected to be one of the first decrees approved by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's new conservative government, which was sworn in on Thursday.

One of the most controversial measures favored by Maroni is negotiating a suspension of Italy's obligations under the European Union's Schengen scheme. The accord, between 24 of the 27 member states, lets travellers cross national boundaries without checks.

The move is aimed mainly against Romanian immigrants and eastern European Roma people, who have been blamed for crimes in Italy.

by Magnifico on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 02:28:58 AM EST
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One of the most controversial measures favored by Maroni is negotiating a suspension of Italy's obligations under the European Union's Schengen scheme. The accord, between 24 of the 27 member states, lets travellers cross national boundaries without checks.

The move is aimed mainly against Romanian immigrants and eastern European Roma people, who have been blamed for crimes in Italy.

Could somebody point out to Reuters that Romania is not in Schengen yet (currently scheduled to be admitted in 2012).
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 02:36:02 AM EST
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But once Romanians get into, say, Austria, or Greece, they can go to Italy without passport controls.

The thing that Maroni doesn't seem to understand is that Schengen or no Schengen, Italy cannot really  turn away a Romanian citizen because of the freedom of movement for all European citizens.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 02:50:54 AM EST
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That's not what Alemanno, whom I heard earlier belching on the radio, thinks: he has set a target of 20,000 "foreigners" (read, Romanians) that must be thrown out of Rome.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:03:09 AM EST
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It is possible that, if people are convicted of a crime, they can be sent back to their member state of origin. But I am not sure. Someone really needs to take a hard look at the free movement provisions of the treaties...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:05:48 AM EST
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It was 20,000 Rom, as I recall. He'll first have to import that number before he can kick them out.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:16:08 AM EST
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But they can deny them residence permits, and then deport them for not having such a permit, without violating any treaties.

By the way, border checks at the Brennero train station have been taking place, on and off, for years, anyway.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:11:55 AM EST
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The strategy is to pass a decree-law which will be palatable to president Napolitano. It will be very difficult reconciling the two aims since Napolitano is against the abuse of decree-laws. (Decree-laws must be voted by parliament within a couple of months to be converted into law; in the meantime they serve as media hype- or in certain rare cases of emergency can be necessary).

The idea is that Crime is a national emergency. It isn't. Just as In Wales reported a few weeks ago on England, crime is at an all time low. Italy presently has the lowest homicide rate in the Union and crime statistics for foreigners indicate that it's on par with the Italian population.

So Berlusconi's strategy can be construed as two phases: pass a harsh law which will be thrown out eventually by the Italian supreme court as violating European law. The law will also be challenged in European courts. In the meantime Berlusconi will see to it that his media empire stops talking about crimes committed by Romanians, Bulgarians, Albanians and Rom. Once his news outlets stop splashing crimes all over the front page as they've done for the past two years, the echo effect in the rest of the press will cease. No news, no perception of crime.

And there you go! Berlusconi comes off as a highly effective law and order man. Not bad for a government that works in harmony with the Mafias. (But then they're both in the same racket: private protection.)

The financial daily Sole24Ore did several reports the past week on crime in Italy with a focus on foreigners based on police and ISTAT (Italian National Stats Board) statistics. The conclusion is as above.

It's just whitewashed racism.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:51:27 AM EST
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So Berlusconi's strategy can be construed as two phases: pass a harsh law which will be thrown out eventually by the Italian supreme court as violating European law. The law will also be challenged in European courts. In the meantime Berlusconi will see to it that his media empire stops talking about crimes committed by Romanians, Bulgarians, Albanians and Rom. Once his news outlets stop splashing crimes all over the front page as they've done for the past two years, the echo effect in the rest of the press will cease. No news, no perception of crime.
There you have it: he who controls the media controls reality.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:05:37 AM EST
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His minions have already started an attack on the RAI as of yesterday over an interview granted to Marco Travaglio by a popular interviewer, Fabio Fazio. Berlusconi's topguns want everyone fired in the RAI from Director General down to Fazio.

The interview is just plain reality check with a couple of well-placed "insults." Travaglio said simply that news in Italy is run by politicians. If there's a noteworthy news item, forty politicians will release declarations so that the day after the political reaction to the news will be frontpaged.

Naturally, Travaglio proved his point today. His interview prompted the "forty political statements" and occupies up to three pages (Repubblica 1-3; la Stampa 1, 4-5; Corriere 1, 5-6).

The Crime? After denigrating Renato Schifani, president of the Senate, Travaglio returned on the well-known facts for those of us who actually read books and trial transcripts, that Renato Schifani and his associate, Senator Enrico La Loggia, were partners in a broker firm with the mafia boss Nino Mandela and had sought to condition the urban regulatory plans of Villabate to advantage the mafia.

So long as it's written in books (or mentioned in blogs as I've done) it doesn't matter. But when it's said on primetime, all hell breaks loose. But what is of note is that no one contests the facts. It's all a symphony of indignation and personal attacks- criminal usage of the media, as B would put it.

The trial transcripts are a great read, especially Mandella's contemptous remarks on what a bawl-baby Enrico La Loggia is.

But, hell, does this sort of shit go down elswhere? If a prominent Senator in the States was linked in no uncertain detail to a mafia boss and an attempted crime that was thwarted by authorities, would he be then elected to a key position in the government without a single word not appearing in the press or on TV? Is it just Italy?

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:01:21 AM EST
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This is part three of the interview in which Travaglio attacks Schifani. For the rest of the interview it's all over youtube.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:06:19 AM EST
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If a prominent Senator in the States was linked in no uncertain detail to a mafia boss and an attempted crime that was thwarted by authorities, would he be then elected to a key position in the government without a single word not appearing in the press or on TV?

See Charles Pasqua in France. Even Chirac, it could be argued, was elected despite being a known crook.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:43:32 AM EST
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Alas, your words comfort me.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:56:24 AM EST
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Italian minister wants to bring back border checks - International Herald Tribune

ROME: Italy's new interior minister wants to re-impose border controls for travellers from Europe's passport-free Schengen zone as part of security measures to crack down on crime and immigration.

The package drawn up by Roberto Maroni, a member of the anti-immigration Northern League, would make illegal immigration a crime punishable by up to four years' imprisonment, according to details published by newspapers on Sunday.

The package will be presented at a cabinet meeting this week. It is expected to be one of the first decrees approved by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's new conservative government, which was sworn in on Thursday.

One of the most controversial measures favored by Maroni is negotiating a suspension of Italy's obligations under the European Union's Schengen scheme. The accord, between 24 of the 27 member states, lets travellers cross national boundaries without checks.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:13:27 AM EST
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European DNA meat-tracing spreads to US - 12 May 2008 - NZ Herald: New Zealand Business, Markets, Currency and Personal Finance News

US Meat retailers can now trace their wares from the ranch to the refrigerator using DNA analysis.

IdentiGEN, based in Ireland with US offices in Lawrence, Kansas, says its DNA TraceBack technology can boost consumer confidence, as well as the value of the hamburger, steak, pork cuts and other meat.

TraceBack can determine not only where meat came from but whether it's organic or Angus - or whatever the label says, company officials said. Chief executive Don Marvin said it's the first product to offer DNA tracing for the entire meat supply chain.

"If you see a DNA TraceBack label, believe it," Marvin said. "It's true. It's DNA."

The technology - approved by the US Department of Agriculture in October - has been in use in Europe since 2000. British grocer Tesco and Ireland's Superquinn and Dunnes Stores use it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:13:50 AM EST
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But on the other hand, it's still illegal to test for mad cow disease:

Creekstone Shouldn't Use Test for Mad Cow, U.S. Says (Update1)| Bloomberg | 09.05.2008

Creekstone Farms Premium Beef LLC, the Kansas-based meat producer, shouldn't be allowed to test beef for mad-cow disease on its own because it could hurt the U.S. cattle industry, a government lawyer told an appeals court.

``They are creating a false assurance'' because the test Creekstone wants to use can't show that meat is completely free of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, or mad-cow disease, Justice Department attorney Eric Fleisig-Greene told the court at a hearing today in Washington.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:35:59 AM EST
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I thought the excuse for not testing for Mad Cow Disease was (brace yourselves) that there isn't any Mad Cow Disease in the US because there was no way American cattle meet could have been infected with British meat, or something like that.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:46:49 AM EST
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I think the issue is that the USA has been in denial about BSE for some time and is now trying to deflect attention away from the scandals that have emerged.

Shouldn't this be under "World" ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:20:33 AM EST
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Clearly.

Yes.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:23:17 AM EST
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I agree. I replied to a message that belonged in either Europe or U.S. without noticing which category it was in...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:26:18 AM EST
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Tightening of immigration laws means farmers face losing 50,000 tonnes of fruit - News, Food & Drink - The Independent

Millions of pounds worth of soft fruit and vegetables are likely to be left to rot in fields this summer because of a shortage of foreign pickers caused by the falling value of the pound and new restrictions on the number of seasonal labourers allowed to enter Britain, farmers' leaders have warned.

As the harvesting season for the UK's £3.5bn horticulture industry gets under way this month, growers are fighting a losing battle to recruit enough labourers from across the European Union to pick more than 50,000 tonnes of strawberries, raspberries and other soft fruits being cultivated for the domestic market.

With thousands of workers from Poland and other eastern European countries returning home to profit from their own booming economies, the reluctance to join the annual picking bonanza is being held up as evidence of Britain's dwindling attraction as a destination for migrants willing to accept low wages or undertake unskilled jobs. A mixture of rising aspirations among the once plentiful supply of foreign labour and Whitehall red tape is being blamed for a "heartbreaking" situation where thousands of tonnes of produce could go to waste.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:23:42 AM EST
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WTF? Just pay the fruit pickers a decent wage.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:21:54 AM EST
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They can't. Their contracts with the supermarkets are so tight that they barely make any profit as it is. If they were to pay workers a living wage, they're screwed.

These are the issues that France needs to pay attention to when it encouraged the tescofication of its food supply industry.

And Tesco will just fly in all their soft fruit from Egypt, y'know, the place where there are food riots going on. Just like their flowers from Kenya.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:24:10 AM EST
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France invented Tesco-ification!

 The PAC has always had a productivist goal (it was designed that way), and agro-business and big retail have always worked hand-in-hand in France to squeeze the smaller producers - and the laborers.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:45:19 AM EST
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And Tesco will just fly in all their soft fruit from Egypt, y'know, the place where there are food riots going on. Just like their flowers from Kenya.

With oil north of $120, they won't be able to do that for too long...
Like in the finance, real estate and other "industries", the day of reckoning is coming, like an oncoming freight train.


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:45:27 AM EST
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Oh, I know that, but every time I mention that oil price rises will have such an impact I get slagged off, so I've more or less stopped mentioning it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 08:23:56 AM EST
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Any idea how much transport costs contribute to the price of flowers?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 08:30:43 AM EST
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I would suggest it's not so much the costs of transport of flowers that will hit this individual trade so much as the economics of long distance transport will begin to unravel.

Sure, if you look at a £4:00 bunch of flowers in bare terms, it's unlikely that more than £1:50 is transport. So even doubling the cost of transport won't push the flowers out of economic viability.

But doubling the cost of transport across the whole economic sphere renders huge portions of the transport industry as currently configured non-viable. People will simply cease to operate in the way they do currently because the margins become nonsensical. Large warehousers like supermarkets will cease their 800 mile round trips between sorting centres etc etc, localism will predominate. So flowers become a casualty of the entire rationale unravelling rather than being priced out of the market.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:09:39 AM EST
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I'd be surprised if even £0.50 of the price was transportation.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:13:34 AM EST
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Maybe. Not that it matters, it's the rationale of the industry that will go rather than whether the add on price of transport inflation is 50p or £1:50.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:34:25 AM EST
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There is an irony that this issue is happening at least in part because of Government restrictions on foreign workers which are the sort of things that Italy wants to introduce for Romanians.

And the fact that the pound is worth about 20% less than last year makes the shitty wages and conditions a lot less bearable.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:26:06 AM EST
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Germany urges higher food import standards

Germany believes China, India and the US should be forced to adopt higher environmental and health standards if they want to export food products to the European Union, says Horst Seehofer, Germany's farm minister.

His comments echo calls by Paris for new EU barriers to free trade in response to rising global demand for food. Michel Barnier, France's farm minister, last month called for curbs on "free-market liberalism", a view reflected by Mr Seehofer: "We need more market liberalisation, but under fair conditions."

"This does not mean more protectionism. We do not want to isolate the EU but to apply EU standards in other parts of the world," he told the Financial Times, adding that new standards should be agreed among industrialised and emerging economies in the World Trade Organisation.

Alistair Darling, UK chancellor, will on Monday fire the opening salvo in what threatens to be a major row with France and Germany over the future of Europe's Common Agricultural Policy, which he claims is exacerbating the world food crisis.

Mr Darling will urge fellow EU finance ministers to support the dismantling of the CAP, claiming it is costing consumers in Europe billions of pounds a year in higher food bills, while hurting farmers in the developing world.

Mr Seehofer dismissed such assertions as "complete rubbish". Rather, political change and greater farming efficiency in the developing world were needed.

"The developing countries need to be able to produce more food [for themselves]. They also need political reforms, better education and less corruption. Steps are also needed against big landowners that think only of maximising profits and not feeding the local population," he said.

Mr Seehofer signalled that Berlin might veto likely proposals from the European Commission to lift a ban on US exports to the EU of poultry products that are processed to lower standards than apply in the European bloc.

Mr Seehofer said the EU had very high standards on "the environment, on water, on health and social issues, that are also expensive for our farmers to implement. The EU should move step-by-step to ensure that third-world countries also have to meet these standards if they want to export to the EU."

He said this idea was broadly in line with France's proposals on a "European preference" in farm products to reflect higher EU standards. Poorer developing countries would not be affected, but the US, China, India and Latin America would, he said.

I've quoted the whole article, because it's all quite important. If the precedent can be created for CAP, then the same logic can apply to the rest of trade. Go, go, go!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 10:22:20 AM EST
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LQD?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 10:26:27 AM EST
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Feel free ;-)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 12:39:56 PM EST
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IHT: Putin reshuffles government, creating energy ministry

MOSCOW: Prime Minister Vladimir Putin reshuffled the Russian government Monday in his first major action since leaving the Kremlin, bringing in some high-profile figures from his presidency but leaving prominent ministries unchanged.

The hawkish Sergei Ivanov, once seen as a possible successor to Putin as president, was named deputy prime minister -- a step down from his previous position as first deputy premier.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov and Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin retained their posts.

The ministry of energy and industry was split into two separate Cabinet positions, the most major structural change to the new government.

(...)

In all, Putin announced 24 positions, eight of them new.

Among the new appointments were Igor Sechin and Igor Shuvalov. Sechin, formerly Putin's powerful deputy chief of staff, will have oversight of industrial development programs as a deputy prime minister, and apparently will remain chairman of the state-controlled oil company Rosneft.

Shuvalov, meanwhile, will be one of two first deputy prime ministers. He was a top Putin policy aide who attained prominence when Russia hosted the Group of Eight summit in 2006.

Also Monday, Medvedev named Nikolai Patrushev, head of the KGB-successor Federal Security Service, as head of the Russian security council.

Alexander Bortnikov, formerly the head of the agency's economic security division, becomes the new head of the service known by the initials FSB.

The corruption-tainted telecommunications minister, Leonid Reiman, was not reappointed. A Swiss arbitration tribunal ruled in 2006 that Reiman is the true owner of a Bermuda-based fund that once controlled much of Russia's telephone industry.

Reiman, a longtime Putin associate, denied any ownership of the IPOC fund, but the revelations have been seen as evidence of high-level corruption in the Kremlin.




"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 11:27:34 AM EST
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WORLD

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:01:04 AM EST
The Guardian:  Hizbullah seizes key areas of Lebanon

Iranian-backed Hizbullah and its opposition allies yesterday escalated their armed takeover of key areas of Lebanon held by the western-backed government, gaining control of the Druze heartlands of Mount Lebanon and clashing with pro-government Sunni fighters in the northern port city of Tripoli.

The pro-government Druze leader, Waleed Jumblatt, who had controlled the mountain areas south-east of Beirut for generations, ordered his fighters to stand down after fierce clashes with Hizbullah militants in which both sides kidnapped and executed rival supporters.

The area was turned over to the opposition Druze leader Talal Arsalan, who asked the army to deploy. Hizbullah and Amal fighters later largely withdrew from areas occupied in west Beirut after the army pledged that Hizbullah's secure telephone network would not be dismantled.



Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:28:02 AM EST
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AP:  53 illegal immigrants held against will in Phoenix

PHOENIX (AP) -- Fifty-three illegal immigrants found Sunday had been held against their will in a fortified home by suspected smugglers demanding more money, authorities said.

The group of rescued immigrants included two 13-year-old girls, three women and a mentally disabled man. The rest were men, Department of Public Safety spokesman Harold Sanders said.

Authorities began investigating Saturday after getting a tip that immigrants were being held captive. Sanders said the smugglers wanted an average of $2,500 for each person's release.

The single-family home where they were kept had been fortified to prevent escape and weapons were seized at the location. The suspected smugglers also took away the immigrants' shoes so they couldn't run off.

Sanders said five people, all residents of Mexico, were being jailed on charges of extortion, kidnapping, aggravated assault and human smuggling.

Authorities on the scene said the immigrants had little food and water and it was unclear how long they had been held inside the house.



Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:54:18 AM EST
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There's really just playing procedural games, but this shows how completely out of touch the Republicans have become.

Republicans Vote Against Moms; No Word Yet on Puppies, Kittens | Washington Post | 9.05.2008

It was already shaping up to be a difficult year for congressional Republicans. Now, on the cusp of Mother's Day, comes this: A majority of the House GOP has voted against motherhood.

On Wednesday afternoon, the House had just voted, 412 to 0, to pass H. Res. 1113, "Celebrating the role of mothers in the United States and supporting the goals and ideals of Mother's Day," when Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), rose in protest.

"Mr. Speaker, I move to reconsider the vote," he announced.

It has long been the custom to compare a popular piece of legislation to motherhood and apple pie. Evidently, that is no longer the standard. Worse, Republicans are now confronted with a John Kerry-esque predicament: They actually voted for motherhood before they voted against it.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 02:46:23 AM EST
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I notice that it's reported as some sort of yuk-yuk humourous Washington isidery joke. Not as part of a pattern of legislative obstruction by the republicans.

Course, we can wonder why the Democrats didn't do this when they were the minority, but then we could expect the media to be all over un-patriotic liberal socialist democrats messing up the town, and it isn't even their town.

But IOKIYAR and the tradmed havne't even got the awareness of how blatantly partizan they are. And the Dems are stupid enough to go on Fox and say "yes, Bill we are awful, except we who are rich, god bless us"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:44:09 AM EST
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Yep, that was my impression too. "Republicans can be politicians too," they note almost admiringly. It's part of the "they all do it" meme that's so  dangerous for the left, given that it's mostly the right that does it, but the blame gets shared.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:46:57 AM EST
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One reason that the Democrats didn't do this when they were the minority is that the Republicans wouldn't have let them. There's no reason the Democrats have to give in to every procedural move the Republicans make - at the worst, they can force them to do a real filibuster, as in the old days, and watch them give in.

BTW, I wondered why the original vote was 412-0, so I checked the rollcall. Ron Paul did not vote, so presumably was absent. While I disagree with almost all of his politics, I have a grudging admiration for  someone who consistently votes against every meaningless proclamation like this.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:19:23 PM EST
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DEVELOPMENT-AFRICA: "Political Will" Needed To Address Food Crisis
NAIROBI, May 9 (IPS) - The need to give agriculture top billing on governmental "to do" lists has been highlighted at a telephone briefing to discuss the current food crisis as it affects Africa.

Three top-level scientists from agricultural research institutes addressed journalists Thursday on what has caused food prices to rocket. The press conference also dealt with strategies that African countries might adopt for increasing future yields, mitigating the effects of the crisis, and coping in the event that staples such as rice and maize continue to rise in price.

"In the short run we need soil fertility," said Dennis Garrity, director general of the World Agroforestry Centre, headquartered in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi.

"Farmers in Africa desperately need nutrients in all forms to replenish their depleted soils. The continent is the lowest user of nutrients, as farmers use less than 10 percent of the fertilizer required per crop."

With fertilizer prices having increased sharply on the back of rising oil costs, governments might have to intervene to improve soil quality: "Fertilizer prices have tripled or even quadrupled...Governments must consider expanding fertilizer subsidies immediately. In addition, farmers must access markets. This will encourage them to increase their production," Garrity said.

The continent's farmers also need training in how to restore soil nutrients in inexpensive ways, such as planting fields with legumes.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 02:58:54 AM EST
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Blast kills Gaza teacher in front of her children - Middle East, World - The Independent

The UN is demanding an investigation into how the Israeli military killed one of its Palestinian school teachers by blasting open the front door of her Gaza home with explosives in the presence of three of her children.

Wafer Shaker al Daghma, 34, a teacher at a local UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) elementary school, was killed last Wednesday as she stood preparing to open the wooden door of her home to the troops. According to UNRWA and relatives who found her body, the military used an explosive device on the door which blew most of her head from her body. They then confined the traumatised children - aged from two to 13 - for five hours while the body lay outside the door of the room where they were held.

Although the soldiers finally left the house - in darkness because of a blackout - at around 9pm, Mrs al Daghma's 13-year-old daughter Samira was too terrified to go outside for help for another two hours because of the continued presence of Israeli armoured vehicles outside her home.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 03:12:37 AM EST
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Sickening!!!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:26:13 AM EST
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They don't care. soldiers are trained to accept that bad things happen, preferably to theo other guy.

Perhaps it would be nicer if we didn't do this but with the end of the "Cold War" there seems ot be not just an increase in small wars of gratuitous violence, but an increasing glorification of suc violence in the Western press. My Dad's generation hated the killing of WWII and were civilised to the other side because they came from an era that recognised the humanity of the "other".

now, the propagandists first job is to de-humanise the "other" to make it easier to obliterate them (use of the Hillary term deliberate). War is just a video game with a reality chip. Gee that looks like fun.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:36:25 AM EST
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Oh, Fran, quite being such an anti-Semitic Jew-hating liberal.

Obviously, if this mother would allow her children to witness such violence, then she deserves anything that happens to her...and the kids too. They should have been smart enough to have been born Jewish.

Besides that, To Smote through the door is clearly covered in the Battle of Jericho Principles of -1499. Figure 7 shows how, unless you hide the Israelite's spies, any type of Smote is allowed.

It's a wonder that people wonder why the aristocracy lose their heads in revolutions.

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:58:03 AM EST
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Ahmad Samih Khalidi: Israel's celebration remains a Palestinian catastrophe | Comment is free | The Guardian

Neither side will ever agree on the narrative of the conflict, and the prospects for peace in the Middle East are slim

As Israel celebrates the 60th anniversary of its establishment, an inescapable counter-reality lingers over the occasion that is inextricably twinned with it. It is the nakba or catastrophe, the 60th anniversary of the destruction of Arab Palestine in 1948.

Despite a public discourse that often claimed the opposite, the Zionist movement set out to build a Jewish state in Palestine with a Jewish majority. This could only come about at the expense of the local inhabitants, the vast majority of whom were Palestinian Arabs - both Muslim and Christian. From this perspective, neither the Zionists' intentions nor the reactions of the Palestinians are at issue: Israel could not have been built as a Jewish state except on the ruins of Arab Palestine.

In 1948, about 750,000 Palestinians fled or were forcibly driven out of their homeland, creating what still stands today as the world's largest and most longstanding refugee problem. The nakba created an entirely new politico-demographic reality. From a longstanding majority on their own soil, the Palestinians became a small, vulnerable minority and a tattered, broken nation living in exile or under foreign rule.

Nothing can convince the Palestinians that what happened to them 60 years ago was right and proper. They cannot be expected to hail the events that led to their own destruction and dispossession. They cannot be expected to extend their benediction to the establishment of Israel, or internalise its legitimacy. There can be no conceivable circumstances in which the Palestinians can concede their history in favour of the Zionist narrative, for to do so would be to deny their own.

But the conflict is not just over narratives. It is also about fundamental s

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:28:06 AM EST
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Zim update...

Mbeki 'ignored judges' on Zim's 2002 poll : Mail & Guardian Online

Tsvangirai, is expected to return to Harare on Monday to contest a run-off election amid mounting criticism of his decision to flee the beleaguered country while thousands of his supporters were being attacked and some killed.

Tsvangirai has chosen to contend the second round of elections after previously saying he would not run again because he won the first vote outright.

Tsvangirai said Zimbabweans would feel betrayed if he did not run and allowed Mugabe to become president again by default.

"I shall return to Zimbabwe to begin a victory tour. Some might say this term 'victory' is cold and callous, given the hardships endured by the people. But the people are victorious and they are being punished for their victory," he said in Johannesburg, where he has spent much of the past six weeks. "We must free ourselves from those who would steal victory from fellow brothers and sisters by using guns, sticks and screwdrivers,"

Tsvangirai made a number of demands that are unlikely to be met, including that the ballot be held within the next fortnight. The government has said it could take months.

The violence continues unabated - graphic and appalling pictures for those who follow the links:

This is Zimbabwe

This is little Samson (3 years). He was beaten on Golden Star farm, Shamva. His parents are ex farm workers who remained living on the farm after their white employer was evicted. His parents were beaten on 21st April by militia who were saying "Whites left you on this farm, you are MDC, you want whites to come back and look after you". Their houses and everything they owned was burned. The mother is at the hospital with Samson; her husband and other two children are still somewhere in Shamva. She does not know where.

This is Zimbabwe

On Tuesday night Mr and Mrs Rogers (pictured) were viciously attacked in an incident between Chegutu and Kadoma. Their farmhouse was looted and trashed in the attack.

We have been told that their injuries are serious: Mrs Rogers was beaten and has suffered a cracked jaw and broken ribs. Mr Rogers has broken ribs and a broken nose - and his ear was bitten. He was shot at seven times and apparently said he felt one bullet going through his hair.

We received information today that last night, in the Chegutu area (south of Harare), farmers in the area were all called into the police station in Chegutu and were "re-educated" in a lecture on `how to vote'.




The core of evil is a lack of empathy
by Nomad on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:01:38 AM EST
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The Oil Nonbubble - New York Times
"The Oil Bubble: Set to Burst?" That was the headline of an October 2004 article in National Review, which argued that oil prices, then $50 a barrel, would soon collapse.

Ten months later, oil was selling for $70 a barrel. "It's a huge bubble," declared Steve Forbes, the publisher, who warned that the coming crash in oil prices would make the popping of the technology bubble "look like a picnic."

All through oil's five-year price surge, which has taken it from $25 a barrel to last week's close above $125, there have been many voices declaring that it's all a bubble, unsupported by the fundamentals of supply and demand.

So here are two questions: Are speculators mainly, or even largely, responsible for high oil prices? And if they aren't, why have so many commentators insisted, year after year, that there's an oil bubble?

Now, speculators do sometimes push commodity prices far above the level justified by fundamentals. But when that happens, there are telltale signs that just aren't there in today's oil market.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:12:58 AM EST
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It doesn't get better than this:
Saying that high-priced oil isn't a bubble doesn't mean that oil prices will never decline. I wouldn't be shocked if a pullback in demand, driven by delayed effects of high prices, sends the price of crude back below $100 for a while. But it does mean that speculators aren't at the heart of the story.

Why, then, do we keep hearing assertions that they are?

...

But there's also a political component.

Traditionally, denunciations of speculators come from the left of the political spectrum. In the case of oil prices, however, the most vociferous proponents of the view that it's all the speculators' fault have been conservatives -- people whom you wouldn't normally expect to see warning about the nefarious activities of investment banks and hedge funds.

The explanation of this seeming paradox is that wishful thinking has trumped pro-market ideology.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:29:50 AM EST
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Only right wing speculators can be right. No one cares what the Left says, because it never makes accurate predictions about anything.

It's only when conservatives start saying things that they start to matter.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 10:58:37 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Powerful earthquake shakes China

An earthquake measuring 7.5 has hit south-west China, according to the US Geological Survey.

The quake struck 57 miles (92km) north-west of Sichuan's provincial capital, Chengdu, at 1428 (0628 GMT), the survey said on its website.

Tremors were felt as far afield as Beijing, the Thai capital, Bangkok, and Hanoi in Vietnam.

Workers were evacuated from swaying buildings in several cities, but it was not clear if there were any casualties.

Workers in the Chinese capital, Beijing - about 930 miles from Chengdu - said buildings shook for about two minutes.

In the city's financial district, people poured out of buildings, but there were no visible signs of damage.

China's tallest building, the Jinmao Tower in Shanghai, was also evacuated after the earthquake, Reuters news agency said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:21:01 AM EST
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Marco, saw you left a comment earlier on. Hope that means you are well and safe.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:21:42 AM EST
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thank you, Fran.  yes, i am fine.  no one seems to have felt it here (Hangzhou), though apparently they felt it in Shanghai (180km to the northeast).

A language is a dialect with an army and navy.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:07:41 AM EST
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Strong earthquake hits southwest China

An earthquake measuring 7.5 rocked China's Sichuan province on Monday, less than 100 kilometres from the provincial capital of Chengdu, the U.S. Geological Survey said on its website.

It was not immediately clear if there were any casualties or damage from the tremor, which the USGS earlier put at 7.8.

The tremor, centred 92 kilometres northwest of Chengdu, was felt as far away as Beijing and Shanghai and the Thai capital Bangkok, where office buildings swayed with the impact.

Google news search gives quite a list of recent earthquakes: Tokyo (with aftershocks), Taiwan,  Iran, Kazachstan,  Mississippi, Missouri,  Guam, Alaska,   California,  Nevada, Mexico... all in the last 2-3 weeks, some in series. Besides, we have the volcano in Chile, tornadoes in US, and of course, Myanmar. Is mother nature awakening and learning how to kick us?

by das monde on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 04:52:35 AM EST
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You can't be serious with your last sentence... China's quake is most likely to be correlated to escape tectonics from collision of the Indian plate.

There was an idea floated a few years ago that big earthquakes could trigger other earthquakes at the other side of a tectonic plate, with a 1-1.5 year delay as slow speed vibrations resonated through the affected tectonic plates to the other end. Not being a seismologist, I've no idea where that idea presently stands.

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

by Nomad on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:24:50 AM EST
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Would you say that it is unthinkable that the Earth system could perceive and follow various stresses, and have simple but effective reactions to it? All those chains of feedbacks, be it of various greenhouse gases and temperature, or connected tectonic faults, must have occurred only randomly or by inevitabilities of physical interactions, and in no way they could have organized themselves through re-occurring circumstances on variously large and local scales?

What if the Earth system is more complex than a reptile brain? Couldn't it be then comparably functional as well?

by das monde on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:47:21 AM EST
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At which point do you ascribe intentionality to a complex system?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:55:39 AM EST
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Teleonomy is related to past effects instead of present purpose.

First I would start to talk about functionality arising in the Form of a simple "reaction" to special circumstances. On the most primitive level, you have direct physical causation satisfying this Form. Then you have rigid "self-enforcing" chains of physical events forming that "automatically react" following the From; those chains that better enforce their own existence (say, because their interesting effects fit better into diverse longer such chains) would tend to persist and occur more frequently. Gradually, the Form becomes identifiable as "perception/reaction" cycle. Brain neurons are of the same Form! Event patterns would network themselves, with ever more meaningful functionality, etc.

by das monde on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:38:12 AM EST
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Are you up to writing a diary on the difference between teleology and teleonomy?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 06:55:32 AM EST
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Ok, I'll be posting soon (in a couple of weeks) parts of my hobby work on evolution, Darwinian selfishness, critical and teleonomic systems, Gaia and such. Writing goes much slower than I expected, and I am pretty satisfied that arguments get only better with lazy pondering.

At the moment, I would not explain teleonomy particularly better than the Wikipedia link above and its references.

by das monde on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 11:10:07 PM EST
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das monde:
What if the Earth system is more complex than a reptile brain? Couldn't it be then comparably functional as well?

No. Because the structures are completely different. And there's been no evidence to date at all that the Earth is anything other than a physical system, which has been frozen, attacked by space by debris, left to cook on a high heat and is currently in a semi-stable transition state.

An intentional Earth would look everso slightly different, I think.

Suggesting that the Earth is having earthquakes because we've been bad says a lot more about how narrative logic works than it does about the Earth.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:05:44 AM EST
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The biosphere is an entirely different animal, though.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:33:17 AM EST
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The rate of tectonic faulting is not correlated to changing concentrations of greenhouse gasses; atmospheric greenhouse gasses concentrations are correlated to the rate of tectonic activity - no need to switch cause and effect. Changes in surface temperature of which global warming speaks are irrelevant for geological processes.

It is simply a matter of scale. Earth's processes do not respond to surface changes linked to global warming because these changes are irrelevant to the scales whereupon earth's processes operate. Surface changes are way, way behind the comma of the physical laws and the material properties that govern tectonic processes involved in generating earthquakes/volcanic activity; they do not matter, period. And hence earth processes do not physically or chemically respond to them, let alone reorganise as result to them.

It's the earth's more sensitive host on the surface, the biosphere, that does respond. Because humans, in our eye-blink of time, are not used to a sudden increase in rates of earth activity, it doesn't make us special, nor does it allow us to assign anthropomorphological features to the earth.

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

by Nomad on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 08:49:31 AM EST
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It's a good counter-argument. But now enter self-organized criticality, or "living" on the edge of chaos bifurcations. Wouldn't these special boundary conditions possibly set themselves up to bridge physical phenomena of different scales?

What if the tectonic system (which is probably more ancient than biological life, and is just as unique to Earth for what we know), being more slow and clumsy by orders of magnitude, is set on a critical level within own parameters, and hereby teleonomically ready to receive a signal from the atmosphere or whatever, a signal to let an overhauling hell loose? It would be just another instance of consequential reaction to a special condition...

by das monde on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 11:06:14 PM EST
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Earthquakes are known to be highly correlated (that's why you have pre- and after-shocks and why low seismicity means both lower frequency and lower intensity.
Earthquakes are one of the most interesting phenomena whose every aspect displays fractal statistics and whose dynamics is possibly chaotic...

...

While multifractality of the earthquake process is confirmed in every way...



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 05:44:53 AM EST
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It has been understood that a fracture network is a self-organising system capable to operate at all scales (micro, meso, macro).

The core of evil is a lack of empathy
by Nomad on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:11:50 AM EST
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But, moreover, probabilistic intuition trained on "regular" memoryless processes such as the Poisson process is misleading, which is where the "anomalous number of recent earthquakes" argument is coming from.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:16:43 AM EST
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Oh, and a fracture is understood as a network and not a single fault?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:17:32 AM EST
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Technically, a fracture is a fracture; a fault is a fracture which has undergone (tectonic) movement. Both can occur at all scales. However, a fracture network at the micro scale has the potential to develop into a fault at the meso/macro scale. Faults organize them in networks - fault zones - fractally identical to a network of micro fractures or micro faults.

One fracture is just a fracture; a single fault is derived from a network of micro/meso fractures.

The core of evil is a lack of empathy

by Nomad on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 09:39:03 AM EST
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THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:01:42 AM EST
Reuters:  McCain and blogger trade barbs over his 2000 vote

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Did U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain vote for President George W. Bush in 2000?

Liberal Internet blogger Arianna Huffington says McCain told her he did not. But the Arizona senator says he did vote for Bush, a fellow Republican, in 2000 and campaigned for him all over the country after his own attempt to win the party's nomination failed.

The claims and counterclaims may provide an entertaining distraction from the day-to-day battle for votes for this November's presidential election, when McCain will face one of two Democratic contenders, Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.

But Huffington said in an interview the dust-up over the item she posted on her Web site earlier this week has broader meaning than whether or not McCain voted for his rival in the 2000 race for the Republican nomination.

"It's John McCain's relationship with the truth that's at stake here. It's not John McCain's relationship with me," Huffington said.



Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 01:21:25 AM EST
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Izzy:
It's John McCain's relationship with the truth that's at stake here.

Youthful idealism - it's so very touching.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 12th, 2008 at 07:08:28 AM EST
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You're on your own among France's elite
By Olivia Chavassieu, Sydney Morning Herald

In the first of an occasional series on foreign unive