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Going Out With A Bang

by danps
Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 05:15:11 AM EST

Most outgoing Presidents limit themselves to workaday concerns when they enter the twilight of their terms.  There are good reasons for this, but our current President is once again showing just how singular he is.

For more on pruning back executive power see Pruning Shears.


Lame duck periods have historically been very quiet.  Eisenhower's negotiations with the Soviet Union were derailed by the U2 incident, and while he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1960 he didn't champion it.  Johnson was too unpopular to get anything big done by the time he term-limited himself.  Reagan limped to the finish in the wake of Iran-Contra and Clinton in the wake of impeachment.  Probably all shared some feeling of simple courtesy toward their successors as well - don't dump some big new program or policy on the President-elect.  Clear the decks as much as possible; leave the next one a clean slate.  Our current President is having none of that.

The most recent sign came with Leila Fadel's McClatchy report on Monday that begins "Iraqi lawmakers say the United States is demanding 58 bases as part of a proposed 'status of forces' agreement [SOFA] that will allow U.S. troops to remain in the country indefinitely."  I have written previously about how Congress could lead on this.  It is the branch that ratifies treaties and it is clear that a SOFA is very limited.  Establishing a long term military presence that nearly doubles our current number of bases and essentially formalizes our role as an occupying power stretches its intent past the breaking point.  It puts us into "looks like a duck" territory.

Another issue that refuses to go away is FISA reform.  From the debate over the Protect America Act, to its passage, the excitement over its expiration and the attempt to get some kind of permanent version passed there has been a remarkable amount of lying, deception, and what can only be charitably called sloppy reporting.  Of the last, the most recent came from Eric Lichtblau this week - and was quickly, comprehensively and hilariously taken apart by Glenn Greenwald.  By all indications the finished product would be a major piece of legislation.  The biggest sticking point has been retroactive immunity for the telecom industry.  Right now lawsuits over their cooperation with government surveillance are in process, and potentially the most explosive part will not be verdicts or even testimony but discovery.  At that point we will start to see just how indiscriminate and invasive the spying has been, and the public will likely be furious.  Shutting them down now is a major decision and deserves a public discussion.  Other aspects of FISA reform are extremely important as well.  At this late date the President should not push for something to get hustled through.  We are on America's clock now, not his.

Then there is Iran.  James Fallows has some history of the saber rattling along with some recent rumors.  For one example, last year then-CENTCOM commander William Fallon reportedly said an attack "will not happen on my watch...There are several of us trying to put the crazies back in the box."  (That kind of outlook in the current administration is a good way to give your job title a "then-" prefix.)  Still, Fallows' new warning is important.  There have been rumblings of a surgical strike and a limited campaign, but if we have learned anything in Iraq it is that the law of unintended consequences can easily turn quick strikes into massive blowback.  (This is the charitable explanation - less charitably, the consequences were intended all along, or consequences of either type were never considered.)  If it is a bad idea to change horses midstream then isn't it even worse to enter the stream knowing you will have to change?

Here is an early test of Barack Obama.  John McCain is on board with all the major current policies so there is no reason to expect he would object.  But if Obama objects he has options.  He could announce on the campaign trail that effective immediately he will repudiate any SOFA negotiated by the President unless he first gives it his blessing.  (The "politics stops at the waters edge" policy was suspended on May 15th, and don't fool yourself - he was referring to Obama (via) until the criticism started.)  Obama could take to the floor and lead a filibuster of any radical FISA overhaul.  He could forcefully come out against strikes against Iran and promise impeachment hearings for any military action not authorized by Congress.  He could short-circuit just about any grand design at this point; if push comes to shove will he?

There are already comparisons made between the high crimes and misdemeanors that got Bill Clinton impeached and the ones that will likely go unpunished with his successor.  If the trend is that the former did something bad and the latter did something catastrophic then consider:  The final act Bill Clinton is most remembered for as President is his pardon of Mark Rich.

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by danps (dan at pruningshears (dot) us) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 05:15:27 AM EST
One of the problems right now is that all the coulda, woulda, shoulda in the world isn't going to help the Beltway Dems act any better.

Yes, Obama could do many things, but first and foremost he has a Presidential campaign to win. And if he goes up to DC and the Blue dogs vote against any initiative he champions cos they love Bush more than life itself that's gonna be a hole below the waterline he can't afford.

What he might say is, during a stump speech, that if the telcos are gonna get retroactive immunity he will demand a retroactive prosecution. One cannot be unconstitutional if the other is okay.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 08:38:49 AM EST
Good points Helen.  He could take a gamble though, and say "I'm the standard bearer of the party now and I expect you to support me on this."  It could blow up as you say, but if this really is going to be a change election it might work.  Blue Dogs are as aware of the special election results in Louisiana and Mississippi as anyone else.  

Retroactive prosecution is a brilliant (and hilarious) concept but you'd really go down the rabbit hole if you went there.  I'd love to see it floated but I'm sure it would never work in practice.

By the way, what the heck is the Fen Causeway?

by danps (dan at pruningshears (dot) us) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 09:07:39 AM EST
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Retroactive prosecution is a violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 09:19:10 AM EST
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Spoilsport !!!

I haven't noticed the USG exactly giving a flying one about anybody's human rights lately anyway. Or you really think Obama will be that radical ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 01:23:33 PM EST
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But the retro-activity referred to involves prosecution for things that were not illegal at the time the alleged offense occurred.  I think that the sense in which Helen referred to it might be "prosecution of officials of the current administration by the succeeding administration." I am no legal scholar and would not know what precedent or law is here.  Where is Jonnathon Turley when we need him?  Perhaps we should forward the question to Keith Olberman and he can ask Turley the next time he appears on Countdown.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 03:42:59 PM EST
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crimes at the time they were committed.  

It would not be your usual legal back dating.  

by Gaianne on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 07:37:02 PM EST
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Precisely.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 08:28:50 PM EST
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It would after "retroactive immunity".

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 01:28:04 AM EST
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That declaration was sponsored by the UN General Assembly, hardly a legitimate body. On the other hand, it has been ratified by most (all?) national parliaments.

And not prosecuting people retroactively is a very good rule.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 09:52:25 AM EST
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I don't think Obama could reverse a grant of immunity from prosecution.  Once it's done its over.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 04:49:15 PM EST
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Grants of immunity from prosecution are generally given by prosecutors or Congressional committees in return for testimony.  This is not to say that Murkasy or one of his minions could not do so under some bogus guise.  However, it could probably be challenged.  That is different from a pardon.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 05:37:17 PM EST
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Yes, we are mixing terms here. However, I would also doubt that a Presidential pardon (or similar act) could be reversed by a succeeding president once the recipient has accepted it.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 04:59:22 PM EST
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The Fens are or were extensive marshy lowlands in East Central england. It's where King John lost the treaure if they teach you that.

So if you want to stay out of the proverbial, keep to the Fen Causeway

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 03:48:15 PM EST
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have a fen



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 04:09:16 PM EST
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That looks more like a ditch....here's a nice
fen in Manitoba.

Note the (flowing) water and the vegetation dominated by sedges (kinda like grasses except pointy) rather than mosses.

by PIGL on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 08:01:52 PM EST
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The Blue Dogs are officially conservative on fiscal issues.  This helps them survive in socially conservative districts.  Members have a variety of views on social issues. I would far rather see them among the Democrats than among the Republicans.  Right now their fiscal conservatism is sorely needed.  Almost all of Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the war in Iraq are being "financed" by deficits that our grandchildren will possibly inherit, if they inherit anything.

Southern Blue Dogs do tend towards more conservative social policy.  If you have any suggestions on how to wean southerners and mid-westerners of their literalist, fundamentalist, revealed religion mindset, by all means, lets hear it.  Meanwhile, remember that Blue Dogs are better than Republicans, if nothing else, because they caucus with the Democrats.  I am no great fan of Nancy, "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi, but she sure as Hell is better than John Boehner and the Republicans.

Blue Dog website
Blue Dogs Wiki  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 04:18:56 PM EST
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The Blue Dogs are officially conservative on fiscal issues.  This helps them survive in socially conservative districts.  Members have a variety of views on social issues. I would far rather see them among the Democrats than among the Republicans.  Right now their fiscal conservatism is sorely needed.  Almost all of Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the war in Iraq are being "financed" by deficits that our grandchildren will possibly inherit, if they inherit anything.

Given that fiscal conservative took on new and terrible meanings after Grover "bathtub" Norquist and NOLA, I think it becomes definer of Republican. Any democrat worth their salt has to agree that Government has a purpose and must be funded to achieve said purpose. I won't go so far as to say you can't be a fiscal conservative and a Democrat, but you can't be an honest one.

And frankly, even Republicans are dishonest about it, because it doesn't matter what else they shrink in Government, the Elephant in the fiscal conservative room is the Military. Over 50% of all elective government spend and climbing resulting in  a military bigger than the next 20 countries put together. If these idiots were real fiscal conservatives instead of low tax nationalists, they'd shrink it. But in the GOP it's the only branch of govt where the coffers are always open.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 04:50:05 AM EST
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Meanwhile, remember that Blue Dogs are better than Republicans, if nothing else, because they caucus with the Democrats.

...and vote with the republicans. And I remember reading on dKos a breakdown of the Blue Dogs which showed quite clearly that a lot of them, despite the hype, represent very democratic areas and should be primaried. I imagine that will happen in the next cycle. Too much distraction right now.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 04:55:47 AM EST
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a lot of them, despite the hype, represent very democratic areas and should be primaried. I imagine that will happen in the next cycle.

We can hope.  Probably especially as the older amongst them retire.  But still, they do agitate for actually paying for some of the evils we are doing and I am much happier to have them as Blue Dog Democrats than as Republicans.  What Grover N has done with labels such as "fiscal conservative" should not be allowed to distract from the underlying reality.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Jun 15th, 2008 at 02:15:06 PM EST
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