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by Colman
Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:19:35 AM EST

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Hah. As far as I can tell by looking, the Republican National Committee in the US are campaigning for Obama. Look at their home page.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:20:32 AM EST
I can only assume that their plan is to associate him with them in voters' minds to reduce his vote.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:21:41 AM EST
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Could be.  The RNC seems pretty desperate.  They're sending out crazed emails through McCain's site begging for donations to help match Obama's voter registration machine.  I guess they figured out McCain's been sitting on his ass for the last three months and allowed Obama to blow past him.

Meanwhile, Obama's now up in Florida in a poll taken the day before McCain and Little Charlie Crist sold out the whole state to the oil companies (and completely flipped their positions in the process).  They're getting blasted in the local news.  Offshore drilling is a big no-no in Florida.  Even El Cubano Fascisto, Mel Martinez, wouldn't go there.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:35:54 AM EST
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Its fascista, El Cubano Fascista.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:42:12 AM EST
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Gah, and I knew that.  Not thinking straight today, not that that's unusual.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:44:14 AM EST
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I thought offshore drilling in Florida was a popular American Solution™?



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:46:21 AM EST
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From McCain's recent energy speech:


What is certain in energy policy is that we have learned a few clear lessons along the way. Somehow all of them seem to have escaped my opponent. He says that high oil prices are not the problem, but only that they rose too quickly. He's doesn't support new domestic production. He doesn't support new nuclear plants. He doesn't support more traditional use of coal, either.

So presumably McCain supports both of these.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:49:15 AM EST
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Vote McCain: dirty coal and a scramble to use the last 5 years' worth of American oil...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:50:42 AM EST
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So presumably McCain supports both of these this week.

Fixed.

Shrug.  Let him buddy-up with Junior over this.  It's a freebie.  Even the national press is getting in on it now.  The flip-flopping is just too blatant at this point.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:54:24 AM EST
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President Bush Presses Congress To Lift Offshore Drilling Ban

WASHINGTON -- President Bush asked Congress to lift bans on offshore oil drilling in a statement Wednesday morning, the White House said.

Mr. Bush's request for more domestic energy production is not new, but the call takes on renewed urgency as consumers struggle with soaring gasoline prices.

"There is no excuse for delay," the president said in a statement in the Rose Garden. With the presidential election on the horizon, Mr. Bush blamed Democratic lawmakers for opposing his energy policies and for high gasoline costs. "Families across the country are looking to Washington for a response," Mr. Bush said.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:41:30 AM EST
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offshore drilling: a few useful facts

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:01:49 PM EST
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Yep.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 06:33:11 PM EST
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It is, until you actually enter Florida.  I'm pretty sure they can put you to death for proposing it there.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:50:33 AM EST
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I didn't know off-shore drilling was that big a deal in Florida.

Dickleshit may have just tossed Florida away?

Cool.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:25:04 AM EST
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I doubt it'll decide the election, but it was certainly a stupid thing to do if, as it seems, Obama's surging in Florida, especially since Obama's already beating McCain pretty badly in the polls when people are asked who they favor on gas/energy.

Once again, the electorate, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to be stupid this year.  Hope it continues.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:44:00 AM EST
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...adding, I'm hesitant to say he's tossed Florida for fear of jinxing it. ;)  If McCain loses Florida, this election's over.  Florida hasn't been polled much, because no one (myself included) thought it could possibly be close.

To say nothing of Charlie Crist, who just pissed away the good will he'd been saving with Dems and Indies in the state.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:46:17 AM EST
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Wait a minute, WE have oil in CANADA?

I mean, Canada isn't exactly a bitter enemy of the US or anything, but it's still not OUR oil, nor OUR land to regulate.

Speaking as an American, about an American produced piece of ridiculous propaganda.

by Zwackus on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:17:22 AM EST
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Sure it is. It's all your oil. By divine right.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:20:33 AM EST
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Don't you know that all their Arctic is belong to you?

Wikipedia: Northwest Passage

In late 2005, it was alleged that U.S. nuclear submarines had travelled unannounced through Canadian Arctic waters, sparking outrage in Canada. In his first news conference after the federal election, Prime Minister-designate Stephen Harper contested an earlier statement made by the U.S. ambassador that Arctic waters were international, stating the Canadian government's intention to enforce its sovereignty there. The allegations arose after the U.S. Navy released photographs of the USS Charlotte surfaced at the North Pole.[30][31]


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:27:40 AM EST
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It's a website from a parallel universe. I don't recognise the continents in 'Obama, wrong on energy' and who's that scary bad man with a gun in the top right of 'McCain Cribs'?

McCain Cribs is just strange. Why is there a plan drawing of a meeting room, and why is half of McCain's wife's head perched on his shoulder?

At least there's no golfing gear. But you can buy this:

- A genuine GOP pink elephant.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:37:01 AM EST
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A genuine GOP pink elephant.

You really can't make this shit up anymore.

Anyway, on McCain Cribs, is this what Grandpa Simpson's blowing his money on?  The RNC's got quite a flashy website that seems to accomplish, you know, nothing.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:41:06 AM EST
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Is McCain leaking support to a third party yet?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:54:19 PM EST
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So far, only in parts of the South, especially Georgia.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:03:30 PM EST
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To which party? And is this a function of third parties not being included in polls?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:26:08 PM EST
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Presumably to the Libertarians, headed by Bob Barr.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:57:22 PM EST
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Libertarian.

Third parties are normally not included in national polls, at least in this race, but the polls always include the option of "Someone Else," which would capture it.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:59:37 PM EST
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you git, im going to be seeing those next time I lay down after a nights drinking.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:41:37 AM EST
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and why is half of McCain's wife's head perched on his shoulder?

One word: Percocet.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:02:14 AM EST
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ther National convention video contest on that, Bet Osama bin Laden is in the top three again.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:47:05 AM EST
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DNC Pwns Rudy! Mussolini:

"Democrats are not going to be lectured to on security by the mayor who failed to learn the lessons of the 1993 attacks, refused to prepare his own city's first responders for the next attack, urged President Bush to put his corrupt crony in charge of our homeland security, and was too busy lobbying for his foreign clients to join the Iraq Study Group."

Finally, finally, finally, somebody fucking said it.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:32:02 PM EST
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What time should the OT be up? 14:00 UTC?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:22:42 AM EST

From today's FT special on Private Banking. Happy prospects...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:50:58 AM EST
France is doomed, look! It has fewer millionnaires than China while the UK has twice as many!

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:54:03 AM EST
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I feel bad that we don't have so many millionaires in France. Maybe we should privatize health care!!

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:07:00 PM EST
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Be interesting to know where Finland is. Way down, I would guess. Apart from the old money, Nokia a a few other corporations in energy, publishing etc. As a % of households it would hardly be visible.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:53:48 PM EST
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The river is rising...

today:

normally:

And there is this:

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has issued a warning that about two dozen levees in the region, in Missouri, Illinois, and Iowa, could be overtopped by floodwaters this week.  The water is expected to continue to rise by several more feet this week as the flood waters from the north move into the region, and 26-27 levees between Davenport Iowa and St Louis may be overtopped if rapid sandbagging is not completed in time.  Some of the communites at high risk include Qunicy and Alton Illinois, Hannibal Missouri, and parts of St Louis can expect moderate flooding.

Flood stages at St Louis are expected to reach to a few inches below the top of the Choteau Island levee (40 feet) which protects 2400 acres.  Another concern is that some parts of the levee system that protect the Metro East area (Granite City, East St Louis, Cahokia, Wood River) have been determined by the US Army Corps of Engineers to be partly structurally deficient, and prone to underseepage, with a slight risk of liquefaction and failure.  Approximately 150,000 people live behind those levees.

It looks like most of my family live in a high risk town or behind structurally deficient levees...  yay.  I think everyone will be ok.  But it's disconcerting nevertheless.  uhg.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 12:06:04 PM EST
BBC NEWS | Business | Energy bills 'to rise up to 40%'

Household energy bills could increase by as much as 40% this winter, the BBC has learned, as oil and wholesale gas prices hit record highs.

The increases could mean households paying £400 more a year on average for their gas and electricity, senior industry sources have said.

The increase is far more than analysts have predicted in recent months.



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 12:32:52 PM EST
Adopt the Japanese approach, and just don't heat your house.  

Huddle under a small coffee table with a blanket and micro-sized heating element!  

Wear long underwear and woolen socks in the comfort of your own home!

Shiver under the blankets at night, warmed by an electric pad underneath your futon!  

by Zwackus on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:21:12 AM EST
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Of course, you could just insulate your house, wear a sweater and not set the thermostat to 25C.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:24:08 AM EST
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Insulate your homes?  What kind of bizarro world do you live in?

I mean, the thin-walled plastic box is all the rage these days.  Don't rock the boat, man!

Oddly, it's only thin-walled on the outside, to heat loss.  The interior walls are quite efficient at stopping most sounds.

by Zwackus on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:33:53 AM EST
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Huh, what do you think people did in Spain until very recently?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:25:08 AM EST
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They were poor and didn't matter, I guess.  Or something.

Anyway, how cold does it get in Spain?

Actually, the latter is a real question.  I don't know.

The Tokyo area used to get bloody freezing, and be covered in snow every year.  The insulation and heating was even worse then.  Global warming has taken a toll on that, though, and now we rarely get more than a light dusting, but it's still quite cold.

by Zwackus on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:36:12 AM EST
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Spain is at the latitude of Northern California, and the central plateau is several hundred metres above sea level (Madrid is at about 600m). I would expect Japan to be colder - more like New York State. But it still snows and freezes in the winter in most of the meseta and definitely at higher altitudes.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:45:50 AM EST
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From the Spanish Weather Agency, Madrid's values for 1971-2000 are

Annual averages
Mean temperature: 14.6 C
Mean daily high: 19.4 C
Mean daily low: 9.7 C

Range of monthly averages
Mean temperature: 6.1 C (January) to 24.8 C (July)
Mean daily high: 9.7 C (January) to 31.2 C (July)
Mean daily low: 2.6 C (January) to 18.2 C (July)

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:55:06 AM EST
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By the way, Sensei, that page has a lot of tables for your graphu.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 07:03:04 AM EST
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I don't know about poor, but a typical piece of furniture was the mesa camilla: a table with a second board near floor level serving as a footrest and with a circular hole in it to hold a wood/coal burner. The table would be covered with a long mantlepiece dropping down to the floor so as to retain warm air under the table as much as possible. People would sit at the table and put their legs under the mantlepiece.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 09:02:41 AM EST
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Yeah, that's not too different from a kotatsu
by Zwackus on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 04:45:45 PM EST
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Heh.

Wikipedia: Brasero (heater)

A brasero is a heater commonly used in Spain. It is placed under a table covered with a cloth that extends to the floor to provide heat for people sitting at the table. This arrangement is similar to the Japanese kotatsu. Modern brasero are electric, but in the past they have been coal fired.
Brasa is a hot coal in Spanish.

The only difference between a brasero and a kotatsu seems to be the height of the table - the Japanese sit on the floor and the Spanish on chairs.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:03:20 PM EST
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I don't know how common this is in Spain any longer. I remember having a mesa camilla when I was little, but already we didn't own a brasero as our flat was well insulated and had central heating.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:06:02 PM EST
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Migeru:
central heating

The definition of middle class...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:13:15 PM EST
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Touche.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:16:16 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Spain and SA 'backed coup plot'

Spain and South Africa both "gave the green light" for a failed coup in oil-rich Equatorial Guinea, a British mercenary has told a court in Malabo.

Simon Mann said it felt as though the coup attempt was an official operation.

He also said that Sir Mark Thatcher, son of UK former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was one of the plot's organisers.

But Mann said London-based millionaire Eli Calil was "the boss". He and Sir Mark have both denied plotting a coup.



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 12:35:10 PM EST
Ecuatorial Guinea, Venezuela... Aznar had his hands full!

BTW, the BBC is so professional they don't even give the date of the coup (2004).

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:25:13 PM EST
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Thorstein Veblen's Theory of Business Enterprise. Fascinating. Will be the source of many a diary here...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:17:05 PM EST
Well,  that's cheering: forest fires in Cyprus. Anyone know where I can get an anti-smoke filter for my camera? I'd rather planned to drive in more-or-less that direction on Sunday evening.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 01:42:01 PM EST
Picking up some old stuff:

Sven Triloqvist:

A very good example for a dedicated professional audience.

But how do you persuade Mr Normal? How do you persuade couch potatoes?


Are graphs elitist? If you show a guy a curve and say, this is how much oil we've used, this is how much is left, is that too hard. Are 'demand' and 'supply' concepts the public just doesn't get? Is a politician who shows a few graphs in a speech automatically elitist and condescending?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 02:47:44 PM EST
nanne:
If you show a guy a curve and say, this is how much oil we've used, this is how much is left, is that too hard.

I'll vote for 'yes.'

Because the graph will obviously be faked by evil scientists working for Al Gore, and it's all the fault of the Democrats for not allowing drilling in Alaska.

Also, taxes should be lower.

Etc.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:51:06 PM EST
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I now teach social studies to a group of Japanese 12 year olds.  I'm supposed to teach in English, and have an English textbook.  8/11 of my students don't speak English.

So, I've been teaching them how to read graphs and draw maps.  As few scary English words as possible.  Oddly, they really like it!  Give them a table of climate averages sorted by year, or fish catches by country over the past twenty years, and ask them to prove a particular point, and they're as happy as can be.  For a while, they were asking me at the beginning of class every day, "Sensei, graphu? Graphu?"

I hope to keep this up, and present them with relevant data to graph as much as possible through the term.  Sadly, finding the tables to produce the raw data for graphs on the net has been challenging, and I don't have access to a reference library or any books.  Most net sources try to hide the tables, or present as little data as possible, feeling it to be dry or frightening, and I never had to do this kind of research in college, so I've been flailing around a bit.

Any suggestions?  

by Zwackus on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:27:34 AM EST
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LOL!

This is great. Maybe you would like to write a diary with that title?

What kind of data are you looking for? Statistical agencies of governments and international organizations are very good about these things. Also, Wikipedia, and Nationmaster.

If you give a list of topics I'll try to figure out the easiest way for you to access the data. I presume you'd like to make tables that you can print on a sheet of paper and give to your students as data?

I also have to look at my copy of Tufte where he discusses increasing levels of complexity of graphs depending on the number of variables represented. At what stage are your 12-year olds?

  1. single variable distribution plotting (histogram, bar chart)
  2. single variable (time) series
  3. single variable on a map
  4. two (time) series
  5. two-variable scatterplot
  6. etc...


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 06:41:12 AM EST
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Great stuff. In addition to what Migeru said, you can get quite a bit of information from the UN's Statistics Division.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 12:04:30 PM EST
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I've figured out who the Reps should replace McCain with.  If you're a Republican bigwig, who do you call if your first candidate has to step aside?

Alan Keyes.

Poemless will back me up on this.  Obama-Keyes, the rematch.  It would be awesome beyond description.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:06:33 PM EST
Two black candidates for President?

You're just itching for another Civil War, aren't you?  

BTW, that you would even bring up Keyes as a better alternative to McCain speaks volumes about both Obama's viability and our national willingness to confront actual issues.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:11:53 PM EST
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Two black candidates for President?

You're just itching for another Civil War, aren't you?

I think it would be isolated to the GOP, honestly.  And I'd love it.

And, besides, I don't think Keyes is actually a black guy.  I think he's an alien.

BTW, that you would even bring up Keyes as a better alternative to McCain speaks volumes about both Obama's viability and our national willingness to confront actual issues.

What do you mean?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:29:21 PM EST
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Even after John McCain won the necessary 1,191 delegates to the Republican National Convention, Keyes did not withdraw, even though he was no longer campaigning for the Republican nomination.[79] On March 27, 2008, Keyes' campaign website began displaying the Constitution party's logo, along with a parody of the trademarked GOP logo in the form of a dead elephant.[81] This appeared to be an indication of Keyes' intentions to quit the Republican party and to begin officially seeking the Constitution Party's presidential nomination.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 03:45:52 PM EST
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I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:01:22 PM EST
Article 13

In formulating and implementing the Union's agriculture, fisheries, transport, internal market, research
and technological development and space policies, the Union and the Member States shall, since
animals are sentient beings, pay full regard to the welfare requirements of animals, while respecting the
legislative or administrative provisions and customs of the Member States relating in particular to
religious rites, cultural traditions and regional heritage.

Discuss.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:23:38 PM EST
sentient - definition of sentient by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
1. Having sense perception; conscious: "The living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage" T.E. Lawrence.2. Experiencing sensation or feeling.

There is an amazing book out, whose title and author have totally escaped me, that lists in great detail how an entire range of emotions can be ascribed to animals, from mice to monkeys. Yet another argument against the uniqueness of man.

The very inclusion of this sentence could have spelled the beginning of the end of bio-industry. Makes me wonder why the Dutch Party for the Animals voted against the Lisbon Treaty... Guess: probably because they wanted a national referendum instead.

by Nomad on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 04:58:00 PM EST
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I don't know what book you have in mind, but I liked The Ape and the Sushi Master by your compatriot rans de Waal.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:07:17 PM EST
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rans

I mean Frans

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:29:22 PM EST
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The one book I frantically try to recall wasn't by De Waal I think. If it was, I probably would have properly remembered: De Waal made furore end 2006 in the Netherlands with his research on self-recognition in elephants. Have been a fan of the man since.
by Nomad on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 06:00:55 PM EST
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That's excellent.  I'm just in the middle of writing a blog in defence of pet weddings.  Would the EU recognize the rights of animals to wed?  Can we get one of those awful anti-treaty posters featuring pet weddings?  Have you already sent those questions off to that Margot person?  Maybe you can add that.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:25:45 PM EST
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Note the mention of "space policies" - a reference to Laika the dog? Also, respecting religious, cultural and regional heritage probable means no EU ban on "unstunned" halal meat or on bullfighting...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:34:48 PM EST
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Laika's hardly the only one...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:37:46 PM EST
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I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:42:07 PM EST
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