European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 25. June

by Fran
Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:26:53 PM EST

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:27:47 PM EST
Farm ministers agree to restrict use of dangerous pesticides - EUobserver

European agriculture ministers agreed on Monday (23 June) to draft rules to restrict the use of pesticides.

The new rules, which represent a compromise reached after two years of negotiations, would totally prohibit the marketing and use of substances proven to cause cancer, gene mutation or harm reproduction.

The use of most dangerous pesticides is to be heavily restricted

Pesticides that mimic or disrupt hormones - so-called endocrine disrupters - will also be banned.

Farmers and chemical producers must now replace pesticide products that are hazardous with safer alternatives.

In exceptional cases, when alternatives do not offer sufficiently effective plant protection, hazardous substances may still be used, but only under strictly regulated conditions, with a transitional period that cannot last longer than five years.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:29:41 PM EST
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Fortress Europe?: EU Countries Move to Stop Flood of Iraqi Refugees - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The ongoing terror in Iraq is driving an increasing number of refugees to Europe. Now the EU is being forced to make some tough decisions: Who will be allowed to stay in Europe, and will Iraqi Christians have greater chances here than Muslims?

 A Catholic bishop gives communion to Iraqi Christians at a church in Baghdad: "People are getting more and more desperate."

Bassam persevered for five years, believing that he could live with the daily violence, the car bombs, the roadside bombs and the snipers. But the terror kept getting closer and closer.

At first, poverty and crime drove Bassam, a 45-year-old electrician, from his war-torn village deep in Iraq's south to the capital Baghdad, where he opened a stand selling ordinary electrical items like light bulbs, two-way adapters and hotplates. It was a miserable life, but bearable -- until Bassam became caught between rival militias. He was told to pay protection money, and eventually his little shop went up in flames.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:30:31 PM EST
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How about a "green card" system where skilled people can enter ? I know that leeches away skills from Iraq that will slow its progress in the future but, being realistic, that's a generation away. We can help them and ourselves now.

there was a highly technocratic workforce in Iraq...let's nick it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:52:38 AM EST
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Britain, Italy Accused of Ignoring Corruption | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 24.06.2008
Italy and Britain would rather not aggressively go after companies involved in bribery schemes, according to a report. Transparency International released a survey of 34 nations' corruption-fighting efforts.

Japan and Canada were also cited as among the four worst in the Transparency International report as being lax about investigating bribery of national companies. The report was released Tuesday, June 24 in Berlin.

The report said that using bribery to win contracts damages free competition at the international level. That's also the view of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The OECD has taken a leading roll in the issue, monitoring bribery on both the national and regional levels.

In Italy, Japan, Britain and Canada there were "practically no investigations or extremely few," into bribery, according to Transparency International. That sets a bad example, said Max Dehmel, a Transparency expert.

"If countries backslide, they undermine the efforts of the other countries," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:31:11 PM EST
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then let's have this done at EU level. Especially as it affects us all. And I'd certianly like to see blair & BAe hauled up and disemboweled (after a fair trial of course)

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:54:11 AM EST
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BBC NEWS: MP expenses rule changes set out (25 June 2008)
MPs are to be banned from using taxpayers money to buy new kitchens, televisions and other household goods for their second homes in London.

There will also be tighter checks on how they spend their expenses, the Members Estimate Committee has said.

They will still get £24,000 a year tax free for living away from home but are banned from spending it on furniture and home improvements.

Boo f-ing hoo.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:20:03 AM EST
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so  what are they going to spend it on then? if you cant actually spend it on things for your house, do they have to spend it all on drugs, booze and loose women?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:22:26 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Politics | MP expenses rule changes set out

The Additional Cost Allowance would be replaced by an overnight expenses allowance of £19,600 a year for accommodation.

External audit

They would also be given £30 a day subsistence allowance without receipts, up to a maximum of £4,600 every year.

But they would have to provide receipts for all other expenses from 1 April next year. At the moment they can claim for items up to £25 without receipts.

You know, when I managed a student travel grant programme we had a simple rule: no receipt, no reimbursement. Period. And then we were quite careful not to allow any outrageous expenses, receipt or not.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:33:57 AM EST
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Ah but students are work-shy layabouts sponging off the taxpayer, whereas MPs are pillars of the community who only take what they deserve and would never do anything dishonest.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:39:42 AM EST
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Bilateral talks would be easier with EU Lisbon treaty, says Russia - EUobserver

Moscow has raised the prospect that "yet another impasse" over the EU's future institutional set up - caused by the recent Irish No vote to the Lisbon Treaty - could affect talks on a new pact of strategic partnership between the union and Russia.

"With the Lisbon treaty in force and a clearer picture of how the EU is organised, it would have been easier to negotiate the pact," Russia's ambassador to the EU, Vladimir Chizhov, said on Monday (23 June).

Russian president Medvedev - Russia says it is not gloating over the EU's institutional difficulties

Speaking to the Financial Times, Mr Chizhov expressed the "hope" that the 27-nation bloc finds a solution to treaty rejection so that long-delayed partnership talks with Russia do not face a new delay.

"Above all, we're not gloating. It's not entirely a sign of the EU's strength, of course, but we'll be close­ly following developments," the ambassador said.

Negotiations on a new "Partnership and Co-operation" pact are expected to get under way at the EU-Russia summit in Siberia later this week (26-27 June) - the first gathering under the leadership of recently elected Russian President Dmitrij Medvedev.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:33:39 PM EST
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Right, as if we needed another reason for Poland to oppose the Lisbon Treaty...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:36:15 PM EST
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It's not really Poland, just their dickhead Preznit.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:55:29 AM EST
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You could probably say the same about the Czech Republic, I suspect.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:03:16 AM EST
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EU fails to convince OPEC to boost oil production - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The group of major oil-exporting countries, OPEC, has ruled out a further increase in oil production, saying there is sufficient supply to the market and that other factors, including US foreign and economic policies, are to blame for record price hikes.

"All you need to do is look at the data to be convinced that the market is well-supplied in oil, that we have enough surplus capacity and we have enough stocks in the market," Chakib Khelil, the president of the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), said on Tuesday (24 June).

One barrel of 'black gold' currently sells for almost $140

Speaking after discussion with the European Union in Brussels, Mr Khelil cited the recent US sub-prime mortgage crisis, financial market speculation, the weak US currency and worsening geopolitical situation as main factors behind the high prices.

One barrel of 'black gold' currently sells for almost $140. The price of petrol has passed from ten dollars in 1999 to 95 dollars last year.

When asked about how much the price will jump over the summer holiday season, Mr Khelil replied: "It is the sixty-billion dollar question".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:36:09 PM EST
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Even OPEC are blaming speculators.

So what part of All you need to do is look at the data to be convinced that the market is well-supplied in oil, that we have enough surplus capacity and we have enough stocks in the market is stretchng the truth to arrive at the real problem that demand exceeds supply ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:01:30 AM EST
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They would shift blame, wouldn't they?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:02:13 AM EST
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I'm not sure what they gain from that. It's not blame so much as geology and justifiable national self-interest (which europe could do with too).

It's not like the truth would change anything, the world still needs their oil.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:37:29 AM EST
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But if the world decided it's going to run out they'd do their best to need less of it.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 05:16:37 AM EST
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Like people would accept that argument. When push comes to shove, most people do see it as our oil under their sand.

It reminds me of the famines due to failed crops during medieval times. It wasn't like people just said "well Hamish, it's supply and demand and the market must clear you know".

They just knew high prices for vital goods were wrong on moral grounds, and the church agreed. How many times haven't produced been called profiteers when they just try to do their job and let market forces work?

It's the same now. People don't know and don't care why gasoline is expensive. They just know that it is wrong and that someone must have comitted some evil act. Whose fault is it? Who to blame?

Speculators, OPEC, Chinindia, Big Oil, refiners, "little guys in Las Vegas" (lololol)? In the end people see that ones making the most money on their account is Saudi Arabia, so said country must be an evil profiteerer.

So Saudi Arabia is very careful in talking about lower prices, higher production, blames specualtors etc, everything to placate the consumer masses who don't know and don't care about supply and demand.

Then they don't actually do anything, but talk is cheap and they have export earnings of $1 billion a day.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 05:54:03 AM EST
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Europe has 'powerful enemies' in US, says French Europe minister - EUobserver

France's Europe minister, Jean-Pierre Jouyet, has said that Europe has enemies in Washington, suggesting that neo-conservatives played a significant role in the Irish rejection of the Lisbon treaty earlier this month.

French daily Le Monde reports Mr Jouyet as saying that "Europe has powerful enemies on the other side of the Atlantic, gifted with considerable financial means. The role of American neo-conservatives was very important in the victory of the No."

Jean-Pierre Jouyet made the comments at a pro-Europe rally over the weekend

He made the comments at a pro-Europe meeting in Lyons over the weekend, just over a week after Irish voters rejected the EU's latest treaty by 53.4 to 46.6 percent.

Allegations that some funding for the No side came from across the Atlantic also came up during the Irish debate preceding the referendum.

Libertas, an anti-treaty organisation campaigning on a platform of cutting Brussels red-tape, was on the receiving end of such accusations earlier this month.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:42:25 PM EST
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will actually investigate and find facts, rather than simply report quotes from interested parties?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:49:33 PM EST
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But that wouldn't be impartial reporting!

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 06:05:34 PM EST
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they might piss off their politicians friends and spoil their week-ends together!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 06:41:54 PM EST
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I thought we all understood that managing editors and their bankers had decided that journalism was not cost-effective?

The last condition our minders wish for is an educated voting class.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:31:31 AM EST
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Libertas: US Military Contractors Against Lisbon! - Indymedia Ireland
Ganley Spills the Beans

So, at this stage we've established a few things. The figures behind Libertas are extremely closely connected to the US military and Intelligence community; their arguments appear to be clearly disingenuous; the US military and intelligence community are indeed opposed to the treaty. The facts are, by themselves, strong circumstantial evidence in favour of the idea that Ganley and McEvaddy's connections to the US military provide the underlying motives for opposing Lisbon. But can we do any better? Can we turn up any positive evidence to support our tentative conclusion?

As it happens, we can.

The "positive evidence" (Ganley's spilt beans) decribed is actually still circumstantial and speculative, but worth considering.

Conclusion

This article has examined the reality behing the Libertas campaign, the connections of its two high-profile backers, the implausibility of its message, the peculiar nature of its campaign and some of the underlying strategic differences at play. The conclusion is that the evidence suggests that Libertas is most likely to serve primarily as a vehicle for advancing US strategic interests. However, it is important to remember that while this is the most likely and most plausible conclusion about the underlying forces at play, it is impossible to ever be certain about any individual's motivation. It is possible that both Ganley and McEvaddy are both entirely genuine in their stated reasons for opposing Lisbon - although that would mean that they are also seriously stupid and completely incapable of understanding many of the elementary facts about the treaty. There's also the possibility that some other underlying motive is at play, but the evidence seems to points towards the Pentagon.

All of the material in this article is in the public domain. Ironically, the source of some of the information contained herein is David Cochrane's politics.ie site where more speculative and less well substantiated versions of this argument have been published over the last few weeks: see here: http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=34169 (hat-tip to ibis) It is interesting that despite all of this material being in the public domain, it has been Internet posters who have raised it, while the media has essentially provided Libertas with mountains of coverage, without bothering to even check as to whether it's a real campaign at all. That's because the Irish media does little other than recycle press releases, and is utterly cowardly when dealing with stuff that might annoy powerful people.

Finally, for those who might suspect that this is a hatchet job aimed at discrediting the No Campaign. I am actually a No campaigner myself. See here: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/86857



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 07:05:15 PM EST
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Damn.  Once again committed a EuroTrib cardinal sin: Search before you post!

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/6/12/131942/129#78

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 07:10:18 PM EST
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I would not rule out CIA involvement in the "no" campaign...Covert political operations are the stock and trade of the CIA.

And - this fits well with the pattern of a "groomed individual" (Ganley) - with lots of gifts, an "out front" political organization (Libertas) that puts out lots of disinformation about the campaign.

Look up "CIA covert political operations" - especially in Latin America and see the CIA's methodology in its operation in elections...Dr. John J. Nutter's 2000 book "The CIA's Black Ops" is a good one.

...creating "front" political organizations and companies...
...selecting prominent individuals...
...giving subsidies (funding) to groups and "groomed individuals..."
...putting out confusing information and disinformation...

It will start to look eerily like the Irish "no" vote.

by euamerican on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 10:16:49 PM EST
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Berlusconi accused, as Senate passes law 'to save him from prison' - Times Online

The Italian Senate has approved a new decree which critics of Silvio Berlusconi, the Prime Minister, say is "tailor made" to save him from a possible prison sentence for corruption.

Mr Berlusconi claims his "security package" fulfils a campaign promise he made in April's election to crack down on crime, and denies it will apply to his own case. It now passes for a final vote to the Lower House, where he has a commanding majority and approval is a formality.

However, Italy's centre-left opposition claimed the main purpose of the decree was to help Mr Berlusconi evade corruption charges. A key clause suspends for a year trials for alleged crimes committed before mid-2002, with the exception of those involving violence, Mafia-related offences, and those carrying a jail sentence of more than 10 years.

Mr Berlusconi and his supporters say this is aimed at overhauling Italy's overburdened judiciary and clearing a trial backlog. A recent opinion poll in La Repubblica showed only 35 per cent of the public have faith in the notoriously slow and inefficient Italian judicial system.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:45:51 PM EST
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On Friday, May 2, Giovanni Sartori gave a phone interview to A. Rizzi, which was published in EL PAÍS on Sunday 4 http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/preocupan/intereses/Berlusconi/saludos/fascistas/elpepi int/20080504elpepiint_2/Tes.

"I am more worried about the interests of Berlusconi that the greetings fascists"

Question. Are you worried about the Italian political scene?
Answer. Yes, I am worried. I did not say very worried, but certainly I know what I will say if you call me again in a few months.


Prophetic. But this was so obvious!

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.

by PerCLupi on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:15:40 AM EST
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The article appears to echo themes put forward by Christopher Caldwiell in an FT commentary over the weekend.

Today Berlusconi was louldy contested by the assembly of the Commerce Federation (Confesercenti)as he once again attacked judges as a "cancerous metastasis" within (his peculiar brand of)"democracy."

As for la Repubblica's survey one might observe that were one to ask churchgoers if hell existed, one must not be surprised by the answers. A breakdown of the population sample would be illuminating: There is a minority of people whose opinions are not formed by watching Berlusconi's televisions.

Simply put, there is no crime emergency in Italy. There is no reason for this security package. The only emergency is Berlusconi's personal interest to beat the rap.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:28:15 AM EST
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This is a few days old, but worth flagging:


Energy from industry could halve gas imports

Industries across the UK could generate as much electricity as 10 nuclear power stations and halve gas imports by installing or extending plants that generate energy while using the waste heat to warm local buildings.

A report by Pöyry Energy Consulting, commissioned by Greenpeace, analysing the UK's potential for combined heat and power units - which capture the heat from the electricity generation process and recycle it - found nine sites where CHP could be applied or extended.

These include the ConocoPhillips and Total refineries on the Humber estuary, which is already the site of one of the biggest CHP units in Europe. It could be extended from its current capacity of 730MW of electricity to produce another 2,550MW, the report found.

Other sites include the Petroplus refinery at Coryton, chemical and manufacturing facilities at Wilton on Teesside, the Stanlow manufacturing complex at Ellesmere Port, the Ineos refinery and chemical plant at Grangemouth and the ExxonMobil refinery at Fawley.

If all of these were developed, UK industry could produce 16GW of electricity - the equivalent of building 10 nuclear power stations, and enough electricity to power two-thirds of the country's households. Using the waste heat by pumping it to local buildings would also mean the UK would need to import only half as much gas as it does now.

Tim Warham, principal consultant at Pöyry, said: "We were surprised at the large technical potential for industrial CHP we encountered. Provided the policy framework is right, CHP could make a huge contribution to securing power supplies for the UK."

Businesses installing or extending combined heat and power units could also save £1bn ($2bn, €1.2bn) a year on their energy bills, according to a Greenpeace estimate based on the report, and could profit by selling excess electricity and recycling their waste heat.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:51:08 PM EST
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brilliant!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 06:48:31 PM EST
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Yes, they could...but they won't. The accountancy practice in the UK is very much against speculative spending to save money in the future based on possible market trends. Better to have a bird in the hand (ie unpsent money) than two in the bush (future profit based on trends).

Industry is run by accountatns who only care about the share dividend and the quarterly forecast. Upsetting that with DFH nonsense about energy saving might cost them their credibility or, worse, their jobs.
 

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:16:04 AM EST
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Sharp powers solar panel plant with solar power - The INQUIRER

Sharp's announcement also came on the same day that market intelligence outfit, Isuppli, released a report predicting that by 2010, "worldwide investments in the production of photovoltaic (PV) cells will rise to the same level as those for semiconductor manufacturing by 2010". And we all know how important semiconductors are.

Isuppli reckons that with such massive solar industry growth, production costs for solar panels could be slashed by up to 40 per cent by 2010. This could mean global grid parity, whereby photovoltaic electricity would cost less, if not the same, than power from the electrical grid. Grid Parity is predicted for sunny countries by 2012 and colder, rainier countries like Britain by 2018. So, when it comes to our energy woes, the sun really could come out tomorrow

PV as the new microchips...oi loik it!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 07:01:52 PM EST
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"Oi'll give it foive..."

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 07:33:16 PM EST
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so that's why you didn't give it a 4?

heheh

david jacobs and cathy something?!

it's got a nice beat, hasn't it?

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:39:49 AM EST
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Janice Nichols, as I recall, And not Juke Box Jury... but but damn it I can't remember. Have to look it up.....aaah...Thank Your Lucky Stars with Brian Matthew. Funny how that quote remains in the mind, but not the program name.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:44:31 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 11:01:33 AM EST
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nice segue...

Italy and Nuclear, an Endless Debate : EcoWorldly

With escalating oil and gas costs and growing French electricity imports, Italy is changing is stance on nuclear power. The re-elected Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi promised on his campaign to recommit the country to nuclear power and an heated debate is now popping up from north to south.

The general impression is there is still strong local opposition for three main reasons: high construction costs, projected build times of one to two decades and no identifiable Italian community willing to see a nuclear reactor built in their neighborhood. Italy has also failed to resolve the issue of what to do with nuclear waste. A proposed dump in Basilicata region was shelved in 2003 after thousands of demonstrators staged road blocks, marches and hunger strikes.

Italy has not operated or built a nuclear power plant since it shut them all down after the Chernobyl accident of 1986. And recent problems at nuclear power stations in Slovenia and Japan have confirmed for many Italians that living close to a plant is a health hazard. The managing director of Enel, the government-backed firm most likely to build and operate the proposed reactors, warned that in order to proceed Silvio Berlusconi would need "new regulation and strong agreement on the plan within the country".

Economic Development Minister Claudio Scajola recently announced a national energy strategy that includes the construction of new generation reactors within five years. Enel officials, though, noted that it would take seven to 10 years before they could actually bring a reactor on line. Politics believe nuclear power is the country's only viable option and that the amount of extra energy produced through wind, solar and geothermal is limited.

"Only with nuclear power we will be able to produce energy on large scale, in a safe way, at competitive prices and with respect for the environment", Scajola said. But Italy's nuclear critics are skeptical. The fourth-generation reactor that the Italian government has pledged to build has not yet even been fully designed so Italian nuclear reactors won't be the answer to any energy problem the country will be facing for one decade or more.

Environmental groups throughout the country are criticizing the idea to bring back nuclear power. Director of Greenpeace Italy, Giuseppe Onofrio, has pledged that he'll fight `tooth and nail' to keep Italy nuclear-free, while Vice President of the Italian Senate, Emma Bonino, said building nuclear plants would not meet current demand because they wouldn't be ready for at least 20 years.

In the meantime Enel is planning to build a coal-fired power station in Albania and is looking into nuclear opportunities there and in Italy, Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said recently. "We are working with the Albanian government for the construction of a coal plant and we want to push for nuclear" told Fulvio Conti, Enel chief executive, pointing out that Italy imports some 20% of its electricity from France which is largely produced by nuclear energy.



"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 07:31:02 PM EST
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This would be a good place to repost J's solar graph from last night's thread, remembering Mig's comment, "What are you waiting for, Italy?"

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:38:28 AM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:36:12 AM EST
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Reuters: Sharp, Kansai Electric to build solar power plants
Sharp Corp (6753.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and Kansai Electric Power Co (9503.T: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Monday they have agreed to join forces in a solar power generation project that involves the construction of two power plants in Sakai, western Japan.

Soaring crude oil prices and growing concerns about climate change have boosted energy consumers' and producers' interest in renewable energy such as solar cell and wind power.

Kansai and Sharp, a solar cell maker competing with Germany's Q-Cells (QCEG.DE: Quote, Profile, Research) and China's Suntech Power Holdings (STP.N: Quote, Profile, Research), plan to build a power generation facility with a maximum capacity of 18 megawatts at Sharp's manufacturing complex by March 2011.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:09:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Greenwashing.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:31:45 AM EST
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Italy has also failed to resolve the issue of what to do with nuclear waste

Given the way they dispose of Naple's waste, I think international sanctions should be imposed if they try to resurrect their nuclear industry. less trustworthy than Iran.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:50:56 AM EST
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Developer 'used Vatican in scam'

This is a basic con, scam, swindle, grift, bunko, flim flam, stratagem, or scheme. Greed and gullibility are, as ever, essential ingredients.

According to papers lodged in Manhattan's District Court, the businessman told potential clients that the Vatican had formally appointed him to manage its financial affairs.

To bolster his claims he kept various ceremonial robes at his office in New York, including those of senior clergymen, according to witnesses cited by the prosecution.




You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 07:51:47 PM EST
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so, what's new ? the Vatican have been at it themselves. Banco Ambrosiano anyone ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:53:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Are god and mammon one and the same? And isn't our Anglo disease simply 3rd millennium Mammon ?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:32:54 AM EST
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The Medici made a nice living from it five hundred years ago.

It's odd that anyone would think managing Vatican finances would require priestly vestments rather than a suit, tie and mobile, but I suppose people are strange like that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:14:20 AM EST
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Did I not read somewhere that the Knights Templar invented banking?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:48:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Babylonians invented banking. And Ptolemaic Egypt had an advanced gyro-based banking system built around grain storage.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:51:10 AM EST
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Yes. All authors who speak of the Templars say that. Actually, the bill of exchange: an individual who was going to make a trip left his properties to the Templars. These gave a kind of promissory note and took care properties. The traveler could ask for money to the Templars of different places. If the traveler returned, accounts were made.

When Procrustes looks after you, you're sure to fit in.
by PerCLupi on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:07:55 AM EST
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Like I said, Hellenistic Egypt had that already (source).

That the templars introduced the concept to Christendom... I can't dispute that.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:16:37 AM EST
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And that system was taken from the Islamic method still functioning today in which mosques operated a kind of early Western Union service.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:49:17 AM EST
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And the Islamic Empire probably got the idea from taking over the Byzantine Empire's infrastructure in the Eastern Mediterranean.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:55:09 AM EST
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Interesting.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:16:40 AM EST
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They also took over the Sassanid Persian Empire.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:30:36 AM EST
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An excellent read - thanks!

It also offers a rich picture of history leading up to the emergence of Islam.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 10:01:25 AM EST
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Startlingly critical article about anti-immigrant attitudes in Europe, with a focus on Italy.

Abroad - In Italy, More Basta Than Bravo for Cultural Diversity - NYTimes.com

... Rome, an ancient magnet for foreigners, is naturally more integrated than most Italian cities and, unlike most of the country, it has taken at least a few steps in recent years to come to terms with its multicultural reality, among them instituting a public library program to reach immigrants and provide Romans with books and lectures about foreign cultures. The question now is whether such efforts will continue. <...>

Italian culture certainly isn't diverse now. It subsists on an all-white, all-native, monoethnic diet of Italian game shows, Italian television mini-series, Italian advertisements on cable stations for improbable vibrating contraptions that promise to jiggle fat away, and Italian pop music. Even Roman schoolchildren no longer stray far from a spaghetti-with-ragú diet now that an intercultural city program to serve one international-themed lunch a month has been abandoned by the new center-right government, heeding some Italian mothers, who doubted the nutritional value of falafel and curry. <...>

Gabriella Sanna directs a multicultural library program here, which was started on a shoestring budget of about $120,000 in 1997. Today it survives on less, she said. ... She was diplomatic when the conversation turned to the recent election and whether her program would survive. "This is a new experience for us because we've always worked in a favorable climate," Ms. Sanna said. Her dour expression suggested she wasn't optimistic.



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:46:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
[Europe.Is.Doomed™ Alert]

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:05:31 AM EST
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Wait, isn't the normal narrative that immigration itself is why Europe is doomed, not poor integration?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:03:47 PM EST
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heeding some Italian mothers, who doubted the nutritional value of falafel and curry.

Well, I doubt the nutritional value of falafel as well. something that looks and tastes like burnt breadcrumbs in glue can't be good for you.

But curry....now there's a food staple. A basic food group.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:56:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:28:15 PM EST
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Scare as Sarkozy departs Israel

Confusion has marred French President Nicolas Sarkozy's farewell to Israel, after a soldier shot himself dead during an airport departure ceremony.

Mr Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni, were rushed into their plane after the shot. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was also hurried to safety.

The incident at Ben-Gurion airport came at the end of Mr Sarkozy's three-day visit to Israel and the West Bank.

A police spokesman said the security officer had committed suicide.

Spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the incident, which happened just as Mr Sarkozy and Ms Bruni were about to board their plane, had posed no threat to the visitors.

He denied reports that it might have been an assassination attempt on the French president. Other reports suggested the soldier may have shot himself accidentally.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:34:31 PM EST
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Middle East Online

French President says viable state for Palestinians with Arab east Jerusalem as its capital is priority for France.

 
BETHLEHEM, West Bank - French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Tuesday spoke out strongly in favour of a Palestinian state after talks with Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas in the occupied West Bank town of Bethlehem.

"The security of Israel is non-negotiable for France, but the creation of a viable, democratic, modern state for the Palestinians is a priority for France," he said as he wrapped up a three-day visit at a joint news conference with Abbas in the Biblical town.

"We will work towards the creation of your state. We will use the same strength, the same commitment we used in ensuring Israel's security," said Sarkozy, who on Monday had addressed the Israeli parliament.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:37:24 PM EST
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nice of him to say so, but he might have mentioned it to the Israelis directly when he spoke to them.

You'd never hear this;-

The security of Palestine is non-negotiable for ...., but the creation of a safe,  peaceful state for Israelis is also a priority ,"


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:59:37 AM EST
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The most notable thing abut his speech was how little it varied from traditional French policies (or lack thereof) in the region. He called for a Palestinian State, for Jerusalem to be divided, and for an end to colonies.

It's just as meaningless as his "enduring" support for Israel.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:34:57 AM EST
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Europe's airlines hold an edge in a tough climate for the industry
Strong euro helps put European airlines in better position than U.S. carriers

LONDON -- With the dollar down and fuel prices up, U.S. airlines are fighting to stay afloat. But they're also fending off another challenge: increasingly powerful European rivals.

Analysts say European airlines are in a much better position to weather the current storm because of a strong euro, newer fleets and a recent wave of consolidation.

And it shows. As many U.S. airlines put expansion plans on hold, British Airways launched a premium subsidiary, OpenSkies, with direct flights between Paris and New York.

European airlines also might be in position to offer better deals to passengers, analysts say.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:39:32 PM EST
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Absolute cobblers. the American aviation industry is a basket case because the Chapter 11 corporate safety net most of the scurry under has prevented newer more competitive airlines replacing the old crappy ones.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:01:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Rethinking the Country Life as Energy Costs Rise - NYTimes.com

Long before the recent spike in the price of energy, environmentalists decried suburban sprawl a waste of land, energy and tax dollars. Governments from Virginia to California have in recent decades lavished resources on building roads and schools for new subdivisions in the outer rings of development while skimping on maintaining facilities closer in. <...>

More than three-fourths of prospective home buyers are now more inclined to live in an urban area because of fuel prices, according to a recent survey of 903 real estate agents with Coldwell Banker, the national brokerage firm.

Some now proclaim the unfolding demise of suburbia.

"Many low-density suburbs and McMansion subdivisions, including some that are lovely and affluent today, may become what inner cities became in the 1960s and '70s -- slums characterized by poverty, crime and decay," declared Christopher B. Leinberger, an urban land use expert, in a recent essay in The Atlantic Monthly. <...>

In a recent study, Mr. Cortright found that house prices in the urban centers of Chicago, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, Portland and Tampa have fared significantly better than those in the suburbs. So-called exurbs -- communities sprouting on the distant edges of metropolitan areas -- have suffered worst of all, Mr. Cortright found.

Basic household arithmetic appears to be furthering the trend: In 2003, the average suburban household spent $1,422 a year on gasoline, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By April of this year -- when gas prices were about $3.60 a gallon-- the same household was spending $3,196 a year, more than doubling consumption in dollar terms in less than five years.



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:17:44 PM EST
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Le Monde.fr : La voiture, et après ? Le Monde.fr: The car, and after?
A chaque passage à la pompe, Sophie Dreumont a la même sensation. Dès que le compteur atteint les 50 euros, le pistolet se fait plus lourd dans la main. "Avant, 50 euros, ça me faisait un plein. J'ai le réflexe d'arrêter." Mais il faut continuer, continuer, 55, 60, 65 euros, attendre que la gâchette automatique cède enfin et qu'un claquement béni signale que la bête est rassasiée.Each time at the pump, Sophie Dreumont has the same sensation. As soon as the meter reached 50 euros, the pump handle gets heavier in her hand. "I used to fill her up on 50 euros, so subconsciously I want to stop." But she must keep on going, and going, 55, 60, 65 euros, waiting until the automatic trigger gives and a blessed click finally tells her that the beast has been sated.
Le supplice est quasi hebdomadaire. Infirmière libérale, Sophie Dreumont parcourt chaque semaine plus de 500 km autour de Fouras, en Charente-Maritime. Elle soigne quotidiennement une bonne quarantaine de malades dans un rayon de 15 km autour de la cité balnéaire. Pour une piqûre d'insuline, la Sécu lui octroie royalement 3 euros l'acte plus 2,20 euros de frais de déplacement. "J'en ai parlé à un plombier. Il m'a dit qu'à ce prix-là, il ne décrochait même pas le téléphone." The ordeal is almost weekly. A self-employed nurse, Sophie Dreumont travels each week more than 500 km around Fouras, Charente-Maritime. Every day she treats a good forty patients within a radius of 15 km around the seaside town. For an injection of insulin, social security generously grants her 3 euros per shot plus 2.20 euros in travel expenses. "I talked to a plumber about it. He told me that at that price, it does not even pick up the phone."
Depuis la flambée des carburants, l'infirmière a tout tenté pour alléger la facture. Elle a changé de voiture, assoupli sa conduite. Elle a testé tous les raccourcis, même un chemin creux qui lui épargne 4 km de bitume. Elle a rationalisé sa tournée, modifié certains horaires, au risque de contrarier des personnes âgées attachées à des rythmes immuables. Rien n'y fait.Since the run-up in fuel prices, the nurse has tried to ease the bill. She changed car, eased off on the driving. She's tried all the shortcuts, even an unpaved road that lets her avoid 4km of asphalt. She has streamlined her route, rearranging certain schedules at the risk of upsetting elderly patients who are attached to unchanging rhythms. Nothing works.
<...><...>
... Comme la plupart des communes, Fouras, 4 500 habitants, s'est développée sur l'idée de la voiture facile. Les classes moyennes ont fui La Rochelle et son immobilier prohibitif. Elles ont trouvé dans la presqu'île voisine un cadre de vie plus abordable, à 20 km de la grande ville. Construite dans les années 1970, la quatre-voies qui relie Rochefort à La Rochelle a encore accéléré l'évasion. Chaque jour, 14 000 personnes empruntent cet axe entre leur domicile et leur travail.... Like most municipalities, Fouras, 4 500 inhabitants, has developed on the idea of easy driving. The middle classes fled La Rochelle and its prohibitive real estate costs. They have found in the nearby peninsula a lifestyle more affordable, 20 km from the big city. Built in the years 1970, the four-way linking Rochefort in La Rochelle has further accelerated the escape. Each day, 14 000 people borrow that line between their homes and their work.
La hausse des carburants fait vaciller le modèle. "Il faut une révolution culturelle", admet Sophie Dreumont. Mais pas facile de changer les mentalités, d'instiller l'idée que des sacrifices sont à consentir. Avec ses deux associés, l'infirmière a ouvert des consultations à son cabinet. Sur 232 malades, une dizaine seulement acceptent de se déplacer. Quand elle se rend au CHU de Poitiers, Nelly Neveu tente parfois d'emmener deux personnes qui ont des rendez-vous assez proches. "Il n'est pas rare que les gens refusent", constate l'ambulancière.Rising fuel upset the model. "We need a cultural revolution" admits Sophie Dreumont. But not easy to change mentalities, to instill the idea that one must make sacrifices. With her two partners, the nurse now offers walk-in visits at her practice. Of 232 patients, only a dozen have agreed to come to her office. When she went to the University Hospital of Poitiers, Nelly Neveu sometimes tries to take two people who have appointments fairly close. "It is not uncommon that people refuse", says the ambuance driver.


... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:57:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
also shows the kinds of steps that have been taken over the years to partially alleviate the situation:

  • frequent communter trains between the two cities: very popular,
  • carpooling initiatives being set up on a large scale in the region;
  • one of the main factories in the area offering busing services to all employees.

As the pain of higher prices bites, these can be expanded and will work, because some of the infrastructure is already in place.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:43:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
NYT:
"Many low-density suburbs and McMansion subdivisions, including some that are lovely and affluent today, may become what inner cities became in the 1960s and '70s -- slums characterized by poverty, crime and decay,"

No, they won't, because unlike cities where you can always mug and scavenge, and there's the option of walking or biking, exurbs are useless unless you can grow your own food and hunt. And the McMansions weren't built to last, so they'll start falling apart within a few years.

If the middle classes can't afford to live in them, poor people certainly won't be able to. They probably won't even be able to afford to squat in them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:24:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Exactly.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:27:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Top Engineers Shun Military; Concern Grows - NYTimes.com

Over the last decade, even as spending on new military projects has reached its highest level since the Reagan years, the Pentagon has increasingly been losing the people most skilled at managing them. That brain drain, military experts like Mr. Kaminski say, is a big factor in a breakdown in engineering management that has made huge cost overruns and long delays the maddening norm. <...>

At M.I.T., a 2007 survey showed that 28.7 percent of undergraduates were headed for work in finance, 13.7 in management consulting and just 7.5 percent in aerospace and defense. The top 10 employers included McKinsey, Google, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, Bain, JPMorgan and Oracle -- but not a single military contractor or government office.

The survey showed that the average annual starting salary in finance and high-tech was more than $70,000, compared with $37,000 at the Defense Department. The average in the military industry was $61,000.

M.I.T. does not have comparable survey data for 10 or 15 years ago, but officials there say the trend is unmistakable.

"Google calls me every other week looking for systems engineers," said Donna H. Rhodes, a systems engineering expert at M.I.T.



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:24:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
t brain drain, military experts like Mr. Kaminski say, is a big factor in a breakdown in engineering management that has made huge cost overruns and long delays the maddening norm.

In the past, huge cost overruns were, of course, unheard of.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:53:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
indeed ;-)))

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:05:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Tomsk Journal - A Fresh Take on a 19th-Century Gingerbread Village - NYTimes.com

TOMSK, Russia -- On side streets all over this riverfront city are wooden buildings erected before Communism and now in various states of decay. As Tomsk prospers from the trade in the region's natural resources, pressure is growing for new real estate projects, especially in the commercial center. What to do about the gingerbread houses?

Some are already gone, demolished and replaced by the usual high-rise apartments and supermarkets and offices. Yet 1,800 or so remain, and their fate is emblematic of the struggle across Russia to balance the preservation of architectural treasures with the demands for development now that the economy is surging.

"This is the problem: preserving a unique layer of Russian culture that is disappearing, that is being pushed out by reinforced concrete and stone," Mr. Zakotnov said. "Actually, this is a problem for all Russian cities, having a downtown area that is being covered by modern structures."

Mr. Zakotnov is hoping that a third of the wooden buildings can be saved and restored, creating a historic district that might even lure tourists to Tomsk, which is four hours away from Moscow by plane. It is not as far-fetched as it sounds.



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:29:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
these were featured on a BBC prog recently. Tomsk looks like a lovely town.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:07:28 AM EST
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Times Online: world's first rotating skyscrapers to be built in Dubai and Moscow.

Plans require the buildings to be self-powered by horizontal wind turbines that spin between each floor to generate electricity. Solar power will be provided by photovoltaic cells on the roof of each rotating floor, 15 per cent of which will be exposed to sunlight at any one time.
by Sassafras on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:18:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
sounds like Look Around you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:09:54 AM EST
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are not great readers, though they do like looking at pictures of their own work, as long as every upright is precisely 90 degrees to horizontal. The architect of this rotating monstrosity obviously skimmed through an article about Shearing Layers and got hold of the wrong end of the RSJ.

"... man has still within him sufficient resources to alter the direction of modern civilization, for we then need no longer regard man as the passive victim of his own irreversible technological development."
Stewart Brand quoting Lewis Mumford

Most architects I know are incapable of spatial thinking, they prefer the monumental as sketched out on a paper napkin.


You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:06:43 AM EST
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Sven Triloqvist:
they do like looking at pictures of their own work, as long as every upright is precisely 90 degrees to horizontal.

Not for quite a while now:

The rotating floors idea is fun though - but good luck trying to fix the mechanism when it breaks down.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:32:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I was referring to the 'architects' who turned Finland into the Land of a Thousand Gas Stations. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:46:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah, well. That's what you get for living on the fringes of the creative European melting pot. ;-)
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:49:35 AM EST
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One must wonder if these architects have ever studied the aerodynamics or turbulence induced in the building openings where the wind harvest will take place.  Much less the resource itself.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:10:06 AM EST
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Meh. That's just engineering.

If it gets a little noisy up there when the wind blows, that's the price you pay for living on the aesthetic bleeding edge.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:58:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Engineers we have aplenty. They have even invented heated blades for the turbines in the Lapland winter to prevent ice build-up. But as you rightly point out, engineers need to be guided by visual relevance.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:08:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
engineers need to be guided by visual relevance

Many people say that high-performance pieces of engineering are normally aesthetically pleasing, too.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:17:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The essence of Modernism, in fact. 'Form follows function' and all that.

As I've said before, I'd rather have a country run by engineers than lawyers.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:21:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Actually the essence of Modernism is 'Prove how rich you are by using minimalist understatement.'

The one thing Modernism has never been is affordable. Especially not proper Modernism, which isn't like the gawky cheap knock-offs the proles get.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 01:05:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
We are not short of Aalto's works in Finland. But expensive they are to maintain.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 05:16:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dubai may end up making Las Vegas architecture seem classy.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:07:14 PM EST
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I dunno, something that bizarre and huge is cool in its own right.  

People hated the Eiffel Tower, too.

by Zwackus on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 05:43:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:28:40 PM EST
Revival for Siberia's gingerbread houses after long neglect - International Herald Tribune

TOMSK, Russia: The building at 32 Kartashov Street had had enough. It once served as home to a 19th-century merchant, a little log masterpiece with ornate doors and shutters carved like doilies and a structural swagger that said, "Look at me!"

But after the Soviet years, when the place became a woebegone flophouse, it was nearly dead. An engineer might have noted that its roof had wilted and rot was chomping at its beams. The neglect, though, seemed to go deeper, as if the building had all but given up after realizing that no one in this Siberian city could even be bothered.

A city official named Nikolai Zakotnov went past 32 Kartashov one day and vowed to rescue it. Here would stand an example of how Tomsk could defend an architectural heritage that is as charming as it is unexpected.

On side streets all over this riverfront city are wooden buildings erected before Communism and now in various states of decay. As Tomsk prospers from the trade in the region's natural resources, pressure is growing for new real estate projects, especially in the commercial district. What to do about the gingerbread houses?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:32:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry, Fran, I did not see that you had posted this.  Okay, that's it for me, then.  Two violations of the duplicate posting rule (especially one within the very same page) cancels my posting rights for the rest of the day.

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:06:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Relax, marco, some of us are schizophrenic and need to read both posts.  I think here more is better than less, and so do i.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:44:47 AM EST
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You too.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 11:20:04 AM EST
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Disability dolls become more popular - Times Online
Are Down's syndrome, blind and chemotherapy dolls a blessing or just a sick joke? Supporters say they help children

Take a look at the doll in the picture. What do you see? You'll probably notice almost immediately that its face is not as "regular" as the rosebud-mouthed, snub-nosed dolls that come as standard in toy shops. But if you picked it up and examined it more closely, you'd see that they are not the only features that you don't find on a "normal" doll: a horizontal crease in the palm of the hand, the ears set low on the head, a flattened bridge across the nose, a slightly protruding tongue.

This is a Down's syndrome doll, designed with the aim of giving Down's children a toy that reflects themselves as they are, and not the mainstream version of physical perfection trailblazed by the likes of Barbie and Baby Annabel.

They are not the only "disability dolls" available on the market. Far from it. You can buy dolls with prosthetic limbs, walking frames, hearing aids, "blind" dolls complete with guide dogs. When Mattel launched Becky - Barbie's friend in a wheelchair - it sold out within two weeks. In the past few years, the toy industry has been waking up to the fact that it makes good financial sense to cater for overlooked consumer groups.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:44:45 PM EST
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Monet painting smashes record, art boom goes on | Entertainment | Reuters

LONDON (Reuters) - A Monet water-lily painting sold for 41 million pounds ($80.5 million) Tuesday, doubling the previous auction record for the artist and ensuring London's key art market season got off to a flying start.

"Le Bassin aux Nympheas" had been expected to fetch 18-24 million pounds, but after an intense bidding battle it smashed the previous Monet auction record of $41.5 million set in May.

It was part of the evening sale of impressionist and modern art at Christie's which raised 144 million pounds ($283 million), the highest total for an auction in Europe. All figures include buyers' premiums.

Olivier Camu, head of impressionist and modern art at Christie's in London, said the sale "illustrates the continuing strength and confidence of the art market."

Some experts have predicted a correction or even collapse in values due to deepening economic gloom caused by falling stocks, rising oil prices and the mortgage meltdown.



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:57:57 PM EST
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ensuring London's key art market season got off to a flying start

Key to whom? I hate fawning journalists.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 03:08:15 AM EST
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World is home to more than 10 million millionaires

The number of people around the world with at least $1 million in assets passed 10 million for the first time last year, according to a report. And their bank accounts are growing even faster.

The combined wealth of the globe's millionaires grew to nearly $41 trillion last year, an increase of 9 percent from a year before, Merrill Lynch & Co. and consulting firm Capgemini Group said Tuesday.

That means their average wealth was more than $4 million, the highest it's ever been. Home values were not included in asset totals.

"The growth of their wealth is outpacing the growth of their population, and that's a trend that's going to continue in coming years," said Ileana Van Der Linde, a principal with Capgemini.

Inequality and wealth concentration will continue to grow. Yippee.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:59:40 AM EST
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I wonder how many of those dollar millionaires are classified as millionaires due to the fall in the dollar?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:00:47 AM EST
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Jerome a Paris:
The combined wealth of the globe's millionaires grew to nearly $41 trillion last year, an increase of 9 percent from a year before, Merrill Lynch & Co. and consulting firm Capgemini Group said Tuesday.
Isn't that about 2/3 of world GDP?

A lot of that is capitalised value which has nothing to do with the productivity of the underlying assets, but still it's a huge amount of potential leverage through credit.

Here's a proposal: we can get the infamous target of 0.7% of world GDP for development aid out of these people by taxing wealth above $1M at 1% per year. Any objections to unanimous consent?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:43:07 AM EST
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10 million people own 2/3 of the gross planetary product?

I don't know. Maybe they're not rich enough to feel comfortable sharing. Shouldn't we have another round of tax cuts instead?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:52:14 AM EST
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No, they don't have rights to 2/3 of the income.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:53:49 AM EST
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Though their wealth increased at 9% year-on-year, which is more than the increase in the world's GDP.

Or is it? Nominal GDP is measured in dollars, which are losing value, so the world's nominal GDP can be giong up just on account on the dollar's devaluation which has been more than 9% last year.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:56:51 AM EST
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A significant part of the 9% increase is that the number of millionaires grew...

Indeed, if the 600 000 new millionaires all only own a million, that's already 600 billion ; good for 1.5% of the wealth increase. Also, since house values are not counted, it's possible much of the rise comes from savvy investors selling real estate before the bust...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:33:15 AM EST
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10 trillions of the 41 total wealth are constituted of the first million $ of each millionaire, so your tax would only result in 0.5% of world GDP. Let's raise it to 1.5 %.

And then, what proportion of development aid ends up in the hands of millionaires ?

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:37:34 AM EST
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How do they know? Is this the same report from last week? The one that was talking about a very narrow range of managed assets and extrapolating?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:40:14 AM EST
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That was a different one...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:04:12 AM EST
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So is this talking-up-private-banking season or something?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:05:58 AM EST
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Entering the summer silly season when such studies have some hope of getting news magazines' front pages...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:48:02 AM EST
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René Girard: Stanford's provocative immortel is a one-man institution

Girard's thinking, including textual analysis, is a sweeping reading of human nature, human history and human destiny. His contention is controversial: Religion is not the cause of violence, as many suppose; it was, in archaic societies, a way of solving it.

Here's why: People are social creatures, and their behavior is based on imitation to a much greater degree than generally supposed. How else to explain why a generation decides at once to pierce their tongues, or why stocks rise and fall? How to explain how a child learns language? Even our desires are not our own; we learn them from others. <...>

Envy and resentment are the inevitable consequences of this drive toward mimesis. These emotions, in turn, fuel conflict; it occurs whenever two or more "mimetic rivals" want the same thing, which can go to only one. It might be a woman, a presidency or a research grant. Many religious prohibitions are meant to regulate and control such conflict. <...>

"The first culture which rebels against that system is the Jewish culture," Girard said. He explains that the Bible is actually counter-mythical. Over a period of centuries, the books of the Old Testament begin to catch on to mankind's scapegoating mechanism. While they describe and even celebrate violence, they gradually begin to question and fight it as well.

For example, many of the psalms "show a narrator who is surrounded by a crowd of good-for-nothings, who are trying to encircle him and turn him into a victim." The story of Job also is revealing: "It's a small community, but he's been the dictator for years. Everybody loves him, he does no one any harm," Girard said at the Old Union lecture. "One fine morning he wakes up, and everybody is against him. His three 'friends' are ready to explain how bad he is now. And everybody is ready to explain how bad he is at the same time. He has turned from the absolute hero to the scapegoat of the community. Job is like a long psalm and shows you what happens to communities. No myth will ever show you that."

Reading that last paragraph, I could not help but be reminded of China's wheelchair-riding torchbearer in Paris, Jin Jing, who went from "golden girl [who] lifts a nation" after protecting the flame from a demonstrator in the Paris torch relay, to "cultureless, brainless stupid ... traitor" (and worse) for urging Chinese people not to boycott Carrefour out of consideration for the company's Chinese employees.

Same goes for images of Wang Qianyuan/Grace Wang urging calm at a Chinese student rally at Duke University in April, as well as images of Chinese demonstrators intimidating pro-Tibet and pro-human rights demonstrators in Canberra and Seoul.

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 12:55:38 AM EST
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So let's see. He's saying people copy each others' behaviours, authors project themselves into their characters, the bible is really quite an enlightened book because it's 'not mythical' (whatever that means), religion - I suppose specifically Judaeo-Christianity - prevents violence instead of being responsible for it, and we don't scapegoat people any more.

There's nothing like telling those in power exactly what they want to hear to make them feel better about themselves, apparently.

Should we all buy copies of his work and hand them out at Guantanamo? 'Look - you're not being scapegoated. It says so here.'

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:48:03 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy: the bible is really quite an enlightened book because it's 'not mythical' (whatever that means)

This won't answer your question(s), but near the end of the article:

Only a few months earlier, Girard had spoken at an informal philosophical reading group in History Corner for several dozen faculty and students.

Girard recapitulated the story of the Old Testament Joseph, son of Jacob, bound and sold into slavery by his "mob" of 10 half-brothers: "They all get together and try to kill him. The Bible knows that scapegoating is a mob affair." Joseph reestablishes himself as one of the leaders of Egypt and then tearfully forgives his brothers in a dramatic reconciliation. It is, he said, a story "much more mature, spiritually, than the beginning of Genesis."

The story is unlike any in archaic literature: "It's a very beautiful story, which like many biblical stories, is a counter-mythical story," he said, "because in myth, the lynchers are always satisfied with their lynching."

But at the reading group, he suggested his audience might not have noticed this before. After all, they had been trained to think that the Bible was a completely backward book, superceded and preceded by better efforts, with little that was new to the world.



... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:45:53 AM EST
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No, that doesn't help. The definiting characteristic of the bible is moral inconsistency, and its usefulness for cherry picking sections for people who are satisfied by proof by authority. It's not surprising you can find the odd nice and decent thing in it, but that doesn't cancel out the endless pages of horror and abuse.

I don't understand how a figure based on collected and edited oral histories, whose existence has no historical basis, who talked to burning bushes and collected miraculous tablets of stone directly from the hand of god, and who organised the deaths of thousands, can be 'counter-mythical.'

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:53:54 AM EST
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I am no Girardian, but I guess he would respond that for all its rampant odiousness, the Jewish holy texts nevertheless were the first to offer an alternative for solving the problem of violence intrinsic in humanity's mimetic nature, an alternative that does not rely on scapegoating and "collective murder" to bring "sanity and harmony" to society.

That novel approach, according to Girard, is forbearance and forgiveness, girded by faith, as exemplified by Job, Jesus and Joseph (as opposed to the rancor and revenge of other traditions).

It is an interesting idea, but I wonder how it would hold up under cross-cultural scrutiny: even within an Indo-European/Semitic context.

... all progress depends on the unreasonable mensch.
(apologies to G.B. Shaw)

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 12:29:39 PM EST
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KLATSCH
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:29:01 PM EST
Hi all, today's Salon is a little shorter. It's been a long day and I am just back from work. Hope you enjoy it anyway. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 04:51:22 PM EST
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You have the Salon for the whole evening while we sleep in Europe - please fill it up with the items you find of interest: this is a collective endeavor, you won't intrude by posting stuff, quite the opposite!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:52:53 PM EST
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I'm boycotting it.  I'm protesting the new schedule.

I encourage everyone else to boycott it it too.  You can go read my new diary instead.

:)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 06:41:40 PM EST
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I know that is meant to be a joke but it isn't constructive given the huge effort that Fran (and others) put into the Salon.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:42:18 AM EST
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Thank you, In Wales - I was thinking about writing a similar comment, but then didn't, because I didn't want to stir up anything. But I am glad it is not just me feeling uncomfortable with this kind of snark/joke!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:37:48 AM EST
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In fairness, you're never comfortable with my jokes.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 01:18:38 PM EST
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It was in response to Jerome explicitly asking for help from the Americans so I honestly don't see how it reflects Fran's efforts.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 01:20:46 PM EST
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Because the change of schedule which you want to boycott was requested by Fran for personal reasons.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 01:31:46 PM EST
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So the issue is that I am boycotting and not psychic. Unfortunately, I can only control one of those things...  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 01:48:57 PM EST
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Psychic? The fact that Fran requested it was presented in open threads. You may not remember it...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:02:05 PM EST
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Sigh.

It's just a blog.  I'm just here to write and learn.  It's not personal.  I don't read everything written here.  I'm not emotionally invested.  It's just a blog.

That's all I got.  Sorry I can't be more kumbaya at the moment.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:16:20 PM EST
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I have re-posted on dKos my diary from last December where I looked back at my predictions from 2005. Needless to say, my words are looking increasingly accurate as time goes by...

Oil, housing, dollar: the Blogs told you so.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 06:40:49 PM EST
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I still think Anglo disease would be more accurately labelled Chicago disease.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:22:24 AM EST
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BBC: A commuter in Cambridgeshire is using a tuk-tuk to get to work
The tuk-tuk, seen on the streets of Bangkok, is a cabin tricycle which can travel at about 50mph (80km/h).

Mr Barker said as well as making his commute more enjoyable the tuk-tuk could travel 100 miles (161km) on a £5 tank of petrol.

With the money he has saved, Mr Barker plans to modify the tuk-tuk with alloy wheels and a spray paint.
by Sassafras on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 01:54:28 AM EST
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by Sassafras on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 02:49:32 AM EST
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Home now. I don't know how the regular long-distance travellers do it: I'm exhausted.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 04:09:40 AM EST
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With a curious request.

  1. If you saw the Netherlands-Russia match: what was your reaction to Hiddink celebrating while his own country lost (doing the opposite of what Lukas Podolski or Hakan Yakin did)?

  2. What was the reaction of public opinion in the Netherlands to the same? (Any one of these if you have info: friends, relatives, pundits, polls)?


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:08:08 AM EST
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Hmm, I just recently realised it was Hiddink's South Korea that knocked Spain out of the 2002 world cup...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:11:17 AM EST
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Expats are probably not the best informed...

  1. I didn't think anything weird of it during the match. Besides, I was just too zonked out by that second Russian goal to think anything else besides swear swords. He's a coach, it is his team, soccer is emotion - natural response.

  2. I'm back in crazy writing country; I'm very antisocial at the moment and have no direct feed on it. NRC Handelsblad wrote on Sunday that Hiddink has received some negative commentary on his win from his private circles. At the bottom of the article is a poll result: Sampling 600 people, 98% said Hiddink should be proud on his result. Hiddink is now also the more favourite choice to succeed Van Basten. (Hiddink: 60%, Van Marwijk 40%) The grass is always greener...

In the meantime, the Russians are completely losing it. Guus Hiddink already has his own statue. Guuski!

by Nomad on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:47:00 AM EST
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I'm waiting for a Russia-Turkey final, so we can offer EU membership to the winner.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 08:58:43 AM EST
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I fell off the chair when I read the news of the statue in Hungarian (it was from before the last match BTW); it was like one for poemless's Odds & Ends: it said "the guests of a sanatorium" [or is it nursing-home in English?] erected it. (It was not the guests but the director, and it wasn't the "mental institute" meaning of the word sanatorium.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:06:54 AM EST
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A few relations of Hiddink apparently got some hostile remarks from a few idiots, which the press is making the most out of. What the Dutch people think of the matter is however overwhelmingly magnanimous (bottom of the NRC report):

nrc.nl - Sport-EK 2008 - Niet iedereen gunt Hiddink z'n succesnrc.nl - Sport-Euro2008 - Not everyone is willing to grant Hiddink his success
Guus Hiddink mag van Nederland trots zijn op de Russische ploegThe Dutch think Guus Hiddink should be allowed to be proud of the Russian team
Guus Hiddink mag trots zijn op de prestatie van zijn Russische team. Dat is de mening van 98 procent van de Nederlanders. Dit bleek uit een peiling van onderzoeksbureau Newcom, die zaterdag direct na afloop van de wedstrijd Nederland-Rusland werd gehouden onder ruim 600 mensen.Guus Hiddink should be allowed to be proud of the performance of the Russian team. That is the opinion of 98% of the Dutch. This became apparent from a poll of the research bureau Newcom, which was held directly after the end of the Netherlands-Russia match among over 600 people.
Zes op de tien Nederlanders ziet Hiddink en niet Bert van Marwijk als ideale opvolger van vertrekkend bondscoach Marco van Basten. Ruim de helft van de ondervraagden hoopt dat de Russische bondscoach met zijn team de Europese titel verovert. Slechts drie op de vijftig Nederlanders gunnen de titel aan buurland Duitsland.Six of ten Dutch people see Hiddink and not Bert van Marwijk as the ideal successor of leaving trainer Marco van Basten. Over half the interviewed people hope that the trainer of Russia wins the championship with his team. Only three in fifty Dutch [that would be 6% - Nanne] would grant it to neighbours Germany.

More than I can say for the attitude towards Germany...
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:01:51 AM EST
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Heh. I guess we managed a double post.

ButI indeed missed this:

Only three in fifty Dutch [that would be 6% - Nanne] would grant it to neighbours Germany.

ROFL!!!

by Nomad on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 09:24:55 AM EST
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But I guess those 6% are only true to the Dutch penchant for provacateurism, which you once told about :-)

(On a more serious note, wasn't this an either-or question?)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 11:00:25 AM EST
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No, it's a question about the tournament winner so it's an either-or-or-or question.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 11:01:50 AM EST
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