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Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:53:48 AM EST

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Wow, sure is a slow day here on the OT for the past 30 seconds or so.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:57:02 AM EST
C'mon, sun's past the yardarm, must be time for a cold 'un.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:58:49 AM EST
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C'mon, sun's past the yardarm, must be time for a cold 'un.

I believe this is what Marek was talking about yesterday when he mentioned Brits not speaking English.  Saying that out loud, no sane person would've understood you.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:28:30 PM EST
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huh ? Why not ? It was in Goldfinger and everybody understood it then.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:21:26 PM EST
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Whisper it quietly but it's sunny and warm. I've just been hedge trimming and my left wrist is just about non-functional. Have problems picking up a cup of tea.

Having minor problems booking a hotel in Sofia. They want pre-payment, but won't accept online paypal. Gods, 20th century technology meets pedantic bureaucracy.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:58:10 AM EST
Pissing rain here, which is good - we had two weeks of mostly dry. Now my rain barrels are full again, after some replumbing of down pipes at the weekend so that they fill properly from the roof.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:59:33 AM EST
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Yup, filling up rain barrels is good. We did that a fortnight ago and have seven of them good to go. Should last till mid-July even if it doesn't rain again.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:06:41 AM EST
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Well, I've only three, but that's enough to keep me going for a good while - most of the garden doesn't need watering.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:08:49 AM EST
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My mother uses it to "water" the tomatoes, personally I think she's trying to drown them.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:34:38 AM EST
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Rainwater tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the State of Colorado, USA, the installation of rainwater collection barrels is an offense[5]. This is a consequence of the system of water rights in the state; the movement and holding of rainwater is inextricably linked with ownership of water rights and is enshrined in the constitution of the State of Colorado. The use of water in Colorado and other western states is governed by what is known as the prior appropriation doctrine. This system of water allocation controls who uses how much water, the types of uses allowed, and when those waters can be used. This is often referred to as the priority system or "first in time, first in right." Since all water arriving in Colorado has been allocated to "senior water right holders" since the 1850s, rainwater prevented from running downstream may not be available to its rightful owner.
Ugh.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:11:32 AM EST
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You hear about such things, but when you read it it's a slap in the face. Words..fail...

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:20:18 AM EST
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to quote an anonymous Tory MP during the UK water privatisation.

"anyone would think it fell god given from the skies"

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:05:53 AM EST
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Too much stuff is monetised. We need more free services.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:27:04 AM EST
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nanne:
Too much stuff is monetised free. We need more free monetised services.

Your comment seems not to take account of current economic thinking, I fixed it for you...  ;-)

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:58:13 PM EST
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Economists are not thinking about money's overhead.

In fact, the only result of a google search for "the overhead of money" is this Grist comment:

Class, not dismissed | Gristmill: The environmental news blog | Grist

I have a shiny new technology that can supply humanity with all her energy without carbon (a solar dish).  I even have a patent.  But I have not promoted it here, nor anywhere, because it would be a disservice to humanity, and less than truthful.

My big discovery is not spending money on anything  to the greatest extent possible. The overhead of money is enormous - taxes, interest, waste, carbon, time, ethics, and poor health.


Greens are always at the cutting edge. You see, I had not even read this comment yet and already moved to the policy implications: reducing inefficient demand for money by making stuff free ;-)
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:08:20 PM EST
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I have been waiting, (with bated breath?), for some genius corporate patent attorney to patent breathing air. Can't be far away when collecting rainwater from your roof is illegal in some places.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:49:50 PM EST
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there's a mid/late 80's reggae song called Privatise the Air, perhaps they would manage to knock the patent back with prior art?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:25:10 PM EST
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Prior art only counts if it is vigorously defended by an interested party--perhaps not even then.

In the early '70s I was an associate at Paul S. Veneklassen and Associates.  Paul was a greybeard acoustician who had worked with James B. Lansing of Altec, short for Allied Technical Company, a descendant of the electro-acoustic work performed by Bell Labs. One of Paul's interests was natural sound reinforcement for live theater.  Since the 50s he had used well known boundary effects in placing microphones right at the floor so as to largely avoid a nasty interference and cancellation pattern that would occur with mics even a few inches off the floor.  Other knowledgeable professionals were familiar with and used the technique also.

Nontheless, Crown patented the principle and manufactured  and sold such a boundary effect mic.  Many such professionals on the West Coast were offended that the Office of Patents and Trademarks had allowed a patent on what was so obviously "prior art," but nothing was done.  Another reason for the "regard" in which I hold the U.S. Department of Patents and Trademarks.  The requirements for being a patent examiner appear chiefly to be that the candidate is an ignorant whore.  No offense to sex industry workers intended.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 09:42:20 PM EST
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Cochabamba protests of 2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To ensure the legality of the privatization the Bolivian government passed law 2029, which verified the contract with Aguas del Tunari. To many the law appeared to give a monopoly to Aguas del Tunari over all water resources. Many feared that this included water used for irrigation by peasant campesino farmers, and community-based resources that had previously been independent of regulation.[5] The law was seen as "enabling the sale of water resources that had never really been a part of SEMAPA in the first place."[5] It was worried that independent communal water systems which had yet to be connected with SEMAPA would be "summarily appropriated by the new concession."[5] By Law 2029, if Aguas del Tunari had wanted to, not only could it have installed meters and begin charging at independently built communal water systems, but it could have also charged residents for the installation of those meters.[1] The broad nature of Law 2029 led many to claim that the government would require a license be obtained for people to collect rainwater from their roofs. (snip)

Demonstrations erupted when Aguas del Tunari imposed a large rate increase, reportedly to finance the Misicuni Dam project, a week after taking control of the Cochabamba water supply system. In a country where the minimum wage was less than US$70 per month, many dwellers were hit with monthly water bills of $20 or more.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:18:40 PM EST
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I'm stunned!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:02:34 PM EST
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It's nice to know I was a law breaker in Colorado, besides the neighborhood jokes about my oak barrel and compost heap.  Another thing to add to my resume.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:08:48 PM EST
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in the U.S.  I brought it up to the local (WA state)Health Dept. guy last year in an incidental way, and he told me not to tell him about it. Sort of 'go ahead and do it, but you didn't hear that from me'. I read later that the law out here is not really settled on rain catchment, but that there are some civil precedents that might make you want to hide your rain-barrels and not mention them too often.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:37:21 PM EST
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We actively encourage it here.

Uh Oh.  Lol...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:58:52 PM EST
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in Austin, TX, in which they installed a very large (thousand gallons? more?) above-ground tank in the backyard for rainwater collection.  They talked about it as if it were a semi-common practice, although I don't remember even one when I lived there.  But it is apparently permitted now, since the whole project won a city-sanctioned Green award of some kind.

Here in the Pacific NW (where outsiders think that we have water to waste) it's actually all divided up between wildlife, agricultural, tribal lands, power-generation, recreation, and residential uses.  The bounds and portions are jealously guarded by the various parties.  Rain is considered part of the 'system'.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 01:50:33 AM EST
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I bought a rainwater tank from a supermarket last year, but was in considerable back pain for most of the summer, and never got it installed.

I got around to it over the first May bank holiday weekend, and was probably the only person in the country hoping for the traditional bank holiday rain.

It didn't take long to fill up, but, a week ago, I noticed it was looking sort of twisted, and, a couple of days later, I discovered it lying on its side, empty.

Given that a full, 200 litre rain barrel is unlikely to have been knocked over by the cat, all I can think is that it distorted under the weight of its contents to the point where it tipped itself over.

Moral of the story...cheap rain barrels are a false economy.

And because I can't choose my holidays, I can't get a decent one delivered until almost August.

(grump)

by Sassafras on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:18:19 PM EST
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Lovely rainy here.. we love it.. we are getting out of our drought...

we now ahve water for the rest of the year..

Rain is so great!!!!!!!

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:11:08 PM EST
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Cool and rainy here in Switzerland - and the weather forcast does not sound to great for the next few days.

just looking in to the OT for a moment before heading out for my two yoga classes tonight. Hope there will be many more comments when I get back. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:02:57 AM EST
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160 comments in the Salon is not good enough?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:04:08 AM EST
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Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold. And sunny. Sunny is Good. I get severely depressed when it's cold and grey.

Ugh. I ranted about this last year but again: Absence of insulation and Jozi's winter is not a good combination.

At least I have a house here, unlike so many others...

by Nomad on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:13:42 AM EST
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Hooray, managed to get booked in to a hotel.

I've been to the hotel before. It's not great but it has a pool, a gym, a sauna andd, most important of all, a bath. Showers are okay but I miss sitting and soaking for an hour or so. Must remember to take bubble bath.

And it's right in the centre of town.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:19:32 PM EST
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Hunter has some suggestions for McCain's campaign slogan.

White And Pasty, '08.

If you're going to go for a slogan that can be easily put on a bumper sticker, you're stuck with three or four words max. So you have to make those words count by encapsulating your entire strategy, and by drawing as much distinction between yourself and your opponent as possible. Let's be honest, here: Republicanism is down to pretty much one major constituency, these days. Might as well give them the props they so richly deserve



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:03:36 AM EST
Something that emphasises McCain's famed bad temper and how said temper will make him an excellent diplomat on the world stage and the man to count on in a severe crisis would also work, like for example McCain '08: Suck it, shitface!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:17:06 AM EST
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Like that?

(Source)

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:25:47 PM EST
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That is the most effective meme I think. Some of the others don't have the crossover humour.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:54:24 PM EST
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Yes, because it makes him Bob Dole.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:03:20 PM EST
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McCain '08: Suck it, shitface!

How about: McCain '08: Siemper Fi or Eat Shit and Die!

I know, I know, he was Navy, not Marines, but this could well make it onto the bumpers of some of his supporters.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:33:26 PM EST
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I still liked Atrios's description from McCain's painful speech the other night.

"John McCain: The Cottage Cheese in Your Lime Jello Salad."

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:20:07 PM EST
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First time Kos really made me laugh.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:26:41 PM EST
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It was an awesome kind of stupid.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:44:48 PM EST
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In fact it was Kos quoting Attaturk on Eschaton.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:08:52 PM EST
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Coming from spain I see that american people laugh at that joke.. while I understnad every word I do not get the content of it...

why is it funny? An innocent anthropologist asking.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:31:49 PM EST
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I think it is the type of food served in nursing homes...

That said, I don't find it hilarious.  Sometimes people will laugh at anything that makes fun of the candidate they oppose.  Kos is rallying the troops by making fun of the fact the McCain has yellowing teeth.  Good thing we don't have anything of substance to discuss, like the war or the economy or healthcare or anything.  How boring would that be?


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:40:04 PM EST
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Kos is a political pundit only in the media sense of the word.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:53:09 PM EST
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Actually the full quote (from Attaturk) was;-

"Oh, Go with the Green Background"

"It'll make you look like the cottage cheese in a lime jello salad" Always a good look for an older gentlemen.

If you saw the youtube of the speech you'd realise that that particular shade of green background was not a kind colour for McCain. It clashed with his skin tone and  washed out his features, badly accentuating his pasty complexion. He really did look like a creamy blob, the cottage cheese in the lime jello salad.

It was a spot-on observation.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:48:06 PM EST
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Tough to match the crowd, though.  An all-white crowd in New Orleans is hard to come by.  I reckon there were literally dozens there.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:01:59 PM EST
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'Cept of course, he wasn't in New Orleans at the time. So when he said he was speaking from New Orleans his nose grew enough to be a useful guide for the teleprompter.

Still, I guess these places all look the same.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:11:49 PM EST
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has the lime jello salad any special connotation? is it typical of the US to make a salad with lime and jello? how common?

is there normally cheese in it?

I do nto get the cultural background.. it is funny in a sense... a setence with void meaning unless you have eaten it :)

It is nice to see that I am out compeltely.

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:09:02 PM EST
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Y'know there you got me. I can do the observation, but the cultural commentary....nah !

This is a spaniard asking an english person about the quaint culinary traditions of faraway colonial backwaters. I think we need Drew at this point.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:14:57 PM EST
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that's correct je jej eje

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:35:29 PM EST
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Howstuffworks "What exactly is Jell-O made from?"
If you've ever eaten in a cafeteria, chances are good that your dessert options included Jell-O. There are hundreds of different desserts that use Jell-O to create everything from your basic institutional-style gelatin square to ornate designs that incorporate varied Jell-O flavors, fruit, and whipped toppings. Jell-O consists of four basic ingredients:

  1. gelatin
  2. water
  3. sugar or artificial sweetener and artificial flavors
  4. food coloring
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:54:51 PM EST
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but no cheese in it... you add it to the salad? or to the jello?

And why lime?

this is gettign intriguing by the second :)

I love when I can find myself being an antrhopologist for an hour :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:03:09 PM EST
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Yes, it is added to the salad. I couldn't believe my eyes when it was served to me for the first time. And I never found a liking for it. And you should just see the colors it comes in. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:07:37 PM EST
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Ok, normally, in America, if you are at a cafeteria, nursing home, hospital, or other joint frequented by the elderly, including sometimes the homes of weird relatives, you can find on offer for dessert some strange Jello "salad" (Jello with maybe canned fruit or nuts or marshmallows inside of it) and/or cottage cheese, maybe also with fruit in it.  People with dentures can easily chew these things, and they are also very cheap to come by.  Both are eerily slightly removed from the "real food" world.  These foods were popular in the 50's and 60's.  There is something culty pop-culture-ish about such foods.  Kitschy.

Now I would think, given the texture and consistency of each dish, you would not want them to touch on the plate.  A milky film on a fluorescent green rubbery food product doesn't seem very appetising.  Though, maybe if you're already limited to lime Jello or cottage cheese, you aren't very picky.  Also, people who lived in the Depression are notorious for eating everything on their plate.  Even if it touched.

HOWEVER, apparently, there is a recipe (and hence a demand) for lime Jello and cottage cheese together in one dish!  It is not normal in America, but not surprising either, given the weird "foods" we sometimes eat.  

Recipes!

Also, a song!

Who knew?

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:21:44 PM EST
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It is not normal in America, but not surprising either, given the weird "foods" we sometimes eat.

It's damned near unpatriotic.

"My opponent eats weird old honkie food."

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:35:48 PM EST
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Don't imagine real limes. This is not lime + jello, it's "lime jello", ie a scary glow-in-the-dark green colouring of the jello. (For the rest of the recipe, see poemless below.)

So the picture is of white-haired, white-faced McCain standing out against a predominantly unnatural green background, like a bit of cottage cheese in a predominantly 'orrible green salad mix.

The British too have lime jello, except that we call it jelly, not jello.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:18:53 AM EST
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Poemless's erudite in-depth research is not below, it's here.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:23:22 AM EST
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Thanks, I was about to try to explain.

What made me laugh was, dummly enough, the thought of lime jello salad.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:10:43 PM EST
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that particular shade of green background was not a kind colour for McCain. It clashed with his skin tone and  washed out his features, badly accentuating his pasty complexion.

Well, that was a wasted opportunity, then.

Doesn't he look tired...?

by Sassafras on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:40:09 PM EST
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Oh, I'm sure tha'ts coming. Just dig out all the Fred Thompson insults, they fit like a glove.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:01:20 PM EST
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Pasty and Nasty '08
by Sassafras on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:25:19 PM EST
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McCain: Bush 3.0

I suppose you have to be a geek to really appreciate it.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:15:01 PM EST
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The only thing I didn't understand in Hunter's DK Diary was the tag "satire" at the bottom.  Have we descended to the point where something has to be untrue in order for it not to be satire?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:36:29 PM EST
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The tag is just the searchable feature. I'm not sure it's a comment on the content.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:40:13 PM EST
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Thanks, I feel better now.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:57:07 PM EST
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Reuters: New seeds needed to resist climate change - expert

The world needs to breed new varieties of crop seeds resistant to climate change or risk food shortages far worse than the current crisis, a leading expert said on Thursday.

"Failure to act ... would make what is happening today look like the calm before the storm," Cary Fowler, head of the Rome-based Global Crop Diversity Fund, told Reuters on the sidelines of a June 3-5 U.N. food summit.

"We will need totally different plant varieties" to confront climate change for crops such as rice, wheat, maize or sugar, he said. The Fund opened a "doomsday" vault in the Norwegian Arctic in February, seeking to store away all crop seed varieties.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:46:43 AM EST
And, from this morning's Salon...

IHT: Monsanto pledges to lift food supply

Monsanto, the leader in agricultural biotechnology, pledged Wednesday to develop seeds that would double the yields of corn, soybeans and cotton by 2030 and would require 30 percent less water, land and energy to grow.

The announcement, coming as world leaders are meeting in Rome to discuss rising food prices and growing food shortages, appeared to be aimed at least in part at winning acceptance of genetically modified crops by showing that they could play a major role in feeding the world.

Much of what is in the commitment are things the company was doing anyway, though it now becomes a formal goal.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:48:18 AM EST
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And as I meant to say then, you'll end up with 5 beans that magically grow up into the clouds....

Promises of moral behaviour from the likes of Monsanto aren't worth the air they're breathed upon.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:21:59 AM EST
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In a quarter-century of R&D, all Mon$anto has put on the market is pesticide GMs, meaning herbicide-resistant (RR) or plants that fabricate their own insecticide (BT). These do not produce comparable yields to conventional crops (ie they produce less).

Mon$, and GM enthusiasts, have always used the "we will feed the world" language. But there won't be miracles. There are limits to what plants can yield per hectare, and traditional cross-breeding has already gone a long way towards those limits. What genes can make a maize or soy plant produce twice as much as before, except maize or soy genes? If maize or soy genes permit this, why can't it be done by traditional crossing?

Even if it were possible, it would be necessary to increase polluting inputs. The plant types produced, in monoculture situations, would be at constant risk of destruction by epidemics; since Mon$'s reign would be accompanied by destruction of diversity, the resulting system would be fragile. Sustainable, not.
 

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:44:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
corn, soybeans and cotton

Great, so ethanol, lattes and clothing are safe.  Now what about wheat and beef?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:18:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Why is the head of the so-called Doomsday Vault, which is supposed to be preserving biodiversity by storing seeds, joining in the communications efforts around the FAO summit that seek to persuade us we need radically new varieties to fuel a second Green Revolution? In what way is it Cary Fowler's job to whisper this into Reuter's ear?

Would it have to do with the Vault being funded, apart from the Rockefeller Foundation, by Bill "Gatekeeper" Gates, Syngenta (GM crops), Dupont/Pioneer Hi-Bred (GM crops)... with a rumoured Mon$anto connection that seems however hard to establish evidence for?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:21:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In real English, it would translate to:

Finance me! I'm important! Finance me!



Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.
by Francois in Paris on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:56:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just in case I forget for the Prague visit, don't get too many czech crowns before you arrive. The local bureaux de change give much better rates than I was getting in the UK, and I presume the same for elsewhere.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 11:24:35 AM EST
Gah!  This is where I draw the line!

Investigators Target eXile For Possible Violations.

The eXile's staff received a letter from the service last week announcing an "unscheduled inspection" to check whether the newspaper had violated media laws or its license, Ames said.

A four-person commission must reach its conclusion by June 11, according to a copy of the letter obtained by The Moscow Times.

Repeated calls to a phone number listed on the letter were not answered Wednesday, and a spokesman for the service did not answer repeated calls to his cell phone.

An official initially said the paper would have to provide Russian translations of all its back issues, Ames said.

Told it would be impossible to translate "zillions" of issues, the official said inspectors would meet with the editor instead and have him explain "different articles," Ames said.

Ames said he did not know which articles were of interest to the inspectors, but he suggested that one possibility were columns by Eduard Limonov, founder of the banned National Bolshevik Party and a vehement Kremlin foe.

He conceded that many other eXile editions could have riled the authorities.

The eXile, which publishes Gonzo-style journalism on topics such as drugs, prostitution and Moscow nightlife side-by-side with political analysis, has often pushed the limits of decency -- not to mention libel law.

(...)

Ames said he feared that this could mean the end of The eXile.

Hm.  They've only been offending, oh, every person on earth for over a decade.  Why now?

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:08:11 PM EST
So Putin's not all bad....

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:16:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
been asleep when this was covered, but can anyone please explain the "Download new TribExt for Firefox" button on the right hand side?
by Sassafras on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:24:14 PM EST
European Tribune - TribExt v0.123
We have a new version of TribExt. With some new features, and with some bugs fixed.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 12:37:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, and it seems the translate feature doesn't work for Firefox Beta 5 for me. Anyone else having a similar experience ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 01:22:46 PM EST
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Does the "copy HTML" feature work?
This sounds similar to some issues I have observed with Firefox3.0 and TribExt.

Find "tribext@someone" folder, probably most easily by searching. (Under windows you have to make it search also hidden folders). Open "chrome", then "content", and check if the files "csb.js.bak" and "csb.js". They have probably become read-only. Change permissions to allow writes and it should work again.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:37:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Good to see you around, someone!  

This weekend I plan to attend some free, open software  classes at an 'okupa' site in town and hopefully I will learn enough to clean up my pc and be able to use your great work.  We'll see if I can learn enough in two half-days.

After class on Sat. evening I will join their demonstration against the city's eviction, so please get a bail fund ready.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:26:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks, someone!
by Sassafras on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:17:01 PM EST
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Copy HTML works and it's not a permission trouble. The page that opens for the translation shows as blank, and the source contains the various stuff to edit the translation, but not the text to be translated... trtmp is correctly updated...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 08:56:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I picked up my hard bound final version thesis from the binders today for submission to the university library.  It was far more emotional than I'd anticipated.

Crazy week at work, under huge pressure with deadlines and away this weekend to train up reps, so I am unlikely to be about for a few more days.  The new OT and Salon times seem to be working really well, lots of comments are good to see!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:06:17 PM EST
Congratulations. I was wondering when it would break in as you've been so cool about it..."oh yea, everybody else seems to think it's important " and just let it wash over you.

enjoy. Bask in the glow. Sit in a hot bath with Big glass of wine and huge fat smug smile on your face.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:16:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Photobucket

I was going to wait for LEP's 'red' theme photoblog but have to get going so here it is.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:42:55 AM EST
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WOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In Wales, this looks great. Maybe you should change your username now to. MsPh.D :-)

I am happy for you.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 03:51:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Terrific!

But it's not red...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 04:03:02 AM EST
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Claret, actually.  Which is sort of red.
It just about scrapes in as far as I'm concerned!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 04:15:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
..Clinton will officially concede on Saturday.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:34:41 PM EST
Yeah, she apparently forgot that tomorrow is the 40th anniversary of Bobby Kennedy's assassination.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:45:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
She could have had the concession tomorrow, which would have been worse. Practically every day is the anniversary of something shitty, just as Fran keeps finding good things to celebrate.

Still, it's over...that's what matters.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:30:28 PM EST
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I meant tomorrow when I said that.  Kennedy was shot on the 5th, died on the 6th.

Sure, every day is the anniversary of something bad, but probably best to avoid that particular event.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:06:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You mean she is delaying the concession until after someone has had a chance to kill Obama?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:40:42 PM EST
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Oh, puhlease...  Surely you mean she is delaying the concession until after she has had a chance to kill Obama?

Make it stop.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:59:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I simply mean that they probably didn't realize the anniversary was Friday when they planned the original event.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 08:21:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've been away for a bit.  Anything interesting happen?  

It's a bit mad around here.  Just when you think Obamamania can't get any more maniacal...  Well, I guess I can console myself with the fact that the next President of the United States lives in the 'hood, and I've met him (back in ye olden days before he got all secret servicey on us).  He was at the bookstore the other day, and everyone was running around, "Obama's at the bookstore!"  I mean, he's probably gone to this bookstore a thousand times in his life, but now it is An Event.  In a way, it's a little sad.  Going to the bookstore is such a simple pleasure.  To have to go with security detail and get mobbed by adoring fans...  Anyway, so the civic pride is seriously out of control in these parts.  I sheepishly admit to having caught a bit of it.  I know he isn't President yet, but I can't imagine he wont be.  He's not just from our State, he's not just from our town, lives down the freakin' street!  It's fun.  There are worse nominees to have, all things considered.  I don't have hope for the future or expect much change (esp. after the AIPAC lovefest yesterday...) but I don't have the desire to throw myself under a bus the way I did 4 years ago when Kerry got the nomination.  

Also, Chicago made the final cut for the Olympics.  Woo Hoo.  (I mostly want this because it will force the city to completely overhaul our transportation system, which is in dire need of a complete overhaul.)

Otherwise I've been sick and reading boring novels (Willa Cather - yuck.).  How's everyone else?

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 02:53:09 PM EST
Willa Cather: O Pioneers! Sounds like it might be Whitman, but it ain't.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:14:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Death Comes for the Archbishop.

Apparently this is one of the greatest novellas every written.  It's pretty and boring.  It's like the Valium of literature.  Seriously, this did more to mitigate the symptoms of my fever than Tylenol PM.  Guaranteed to make you sleep like a baby approx. 5 minutes after picking the book up.  Or your money back.


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:47:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by Nomad on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:35:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Only a couple of days surely. Nope, nothing much has happened except that some clown thought they could get uppity and pedantic about past participles and got taken to the woodshed for an english lesson.

I forget who it was.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:33:58 PM EST
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Well, it wasn't too terrible for the clown in the woodshed. Someone (I don't know who) got out the OED, and a few others (I don't know who either) got out the Online Etymological Dictionary, and in the end it turned out the clown got one thing right. Work and wreak share a common root, along with wretch and wrack and wreck, if you go back far enough, like, more than 5,000 years.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:19:40 PM EST
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Oh, and you seriously do not want to win the Olympics.

do not believe any story about sustainability, facilities for the city or transportation upgrades that will benefit you. They lie, like a cheap designer fake watch.

The best thing that happened to Paris this century was London winning the 2012 games.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:36:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, but I seriously do!  I happen to like the Olympics.  And they will have to upgrade the transportation system to get the nod.  It's a win-win situation.  

Keep in mind, Chicago is not London.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:43:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Keep in mind, Chicago is not London

If you win, it will feel like London. Turned upside down for years so's you can have a two week carnival, then end up paying for it for decades. And still have no facilities worth a damn.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:53:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's because you let all the Poles go home, so nothing's being done properly.  Just wait until the Tories get in.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:58:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, good, we have lots of Poles.  Will that help?  

So far as having no facilities worth a damn...  I'm not too concerned.  Mostly I just want the trains fixed.  Also, I like it when a city is turned upside down.  I didn't move to the city for peace and quiet.


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:03:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, clear evidence perhaps that Chicago can cope with the Olympics better than London.

I don't like the peace and quiet either, but last time the city was turned upside down here came when the Pope was in town, and I was surrounded by a bunch of crazy people in Friar Tuck costumes on the subway.  I'm still scarred from that one, and I'm not sure I could deal with the Olympics.  The stadium is on the line I take to work.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:15:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Smile they said, things can get worse. So I smiled and they were right, things got worse.

Grief, much as I really despise the Labour Party, I wouldn't wish the tories on my worst enemies (and believe me, a vindictive shit like me has an awful lot of people they wish evil upon)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:07:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The best thing that happened to Paris this century was London winning the 2012 games.

Grrrr.

The problem is not the Olympics, it's the incompetence. (Just like all nationalised companies in the UK - the problem was not that they were State-owned, just that they were badly-run).

The Olympics in Paris would have been great.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:40:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm on Helen's side on this one.

I can't wait for the Olympic Games to die.


Facts, selfish little bastards. They don't even care about your feelings.

by Francois in Paris on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 10:38:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Aw, y'all are too hard on John Kerry.  I know he ran a lousy campaign, but I still kind of like the guy -- and, as with Obama and Edwards, I liked his wife even more -- and thought he would've made a decent president, even if listening to him was about a exciting as watching paint dry.

We have a pretty good transport system here between the Metro, regular trains and buses, but I wouldn't want the Olympics for all the gold in Fort Knox.  It's always some problem.  Atlanta and SLC were problems.  London is turning into a catastrophe.  And, echoing Helen, you know they're not going to actually update or fix anything.

Or maybe a few things will be updated or fixed, adjusting for Daley likely being a slightly better one than Phony Tony.  But worth it?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 03:55:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was a Dean fan.  No, scratch that.  Howard Dean literally changed my life.  Kerry LOST TO GEORGE W. BUSH!  Can you be "too hard" on such a candidate?!!!!

From my experience the Washington Metro is leaps and bounds more efficient than the Chicago El, which has literally derailed like twice in the last week or so.  Did I mention it is elevated?  That's correct.  Derailed.

Even if the trains aren't fixed, I'd still want the Olympics.  I think Chicago is a very under-rated city and deserves more international attention.  Did I mention I like the Olympics, and the chaos?  Will it be worth it?  Sure.    

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:12:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was a Dean fan.  No, scratch that.  Howard Dean literally changed my life.  Kerry LOST TO GEORGE W. BUSH!  Can you be "too hard" on such a candidate?!!!!

You live in Chicago, dear poemless, where people do things like read and go to art galleries and appreciate diversity and all of that other stuff.  Out in the Provinces, as you might recall, the natives are generally of a different breed, convinced that the John Kerrys of the world are going to take their deer rifles away and let boys kiss and put Koranic verses on the flag.

True, the Metro is pretty good.  Y'all should do what we do: Steal the money from the rest of the country, and then build the best system money can buy.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:21:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Y'all should do what we do: Steal the money from the rest of the country, and then build the best system money can buy.

Now you've got the Olympic spirit, Drew.  ;-)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:39:38 PM EST
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Ruh roh.  Your party just nominated a black intellectual with a Muslim name from Chicago "where people do things like read and go to art galleries and appreciate diversity and all of that other stuff."  Other stuff, like, advocating for tougher gun laws...

Hello, President McCain.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 04:46:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
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