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Sharing fast food wisdom

by pereulok
Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 09:55:58 AM EST

Fast Food = cooked food that you buy in some kiosk to be eaten on your way...
  1. In St. Petersburg, in Koroblestroyteley Street, they have the best kebabs (Shaorma) in the world... Maybe because those where the first ones I tried, when I was 19 (b.G.: before Globalization arrived to Spain), and were eaten with appetite and in good company.
  2. In the Netherlands you can insert a coin in a machine and get a Coke, a coin in another one and get a chocolate bar, and then a last coin in a third machine and get a hot hamburguer... Not very tasty, by the way, with some Dutch "touch" in the sauce that didn't convince me at all. I would advice to get three chocolate bars instead and wait to reach some place and get a proper meal.
  3. In Britain Fish&Chips' fish is too greasy and quite disgusting... Chips fried in that same oil, I don't know why, taste very good, though, specially after pub crawling (half pub crawling in my case)! And, by the way, kebabs are much spicier than in other places in Europe I've been in... The Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi influence, I suppose.
  4. In Italy you can get a piece of pizza in every corner, Pizza al Taglio, and it costs differently depending on its weight. On kebab local specificities, I'm afraid, I don't know... But food at an Etiopian cafe is worth trying! (Although it's not fast food in that case...).
  5. In Romania fried chips are served INSIDE the kebab, all together with the meat, vegetables and sauce.
  6. In Madrid we get huge sandwiches filled with fried squids!! ("Bocata de Calamares")
  7. I´ve been told that hot dogs at Christmas market in Hamburg are gorgeous.

I would love to know your views on fast food delicatessen... Very useful and tasty information-sharing :)

Good appetite!

[editor's note, by Migeru] Cross-posted from Este-sudeste


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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 10:25:59 AM EST
Another name is street food. The old names for the places that sell it in Finland in Sweden and Finland mean 'street kitchen'. The most 'dangerous' food available is a 'lihis' or meat pie. This is a doughnut-like pocket filled with mince and rice. Suicide is accomplished by poking a couple of sausages into it too.

In Finland you can also get pancakes with jam and cream, but any mention of pancakes will reduce ET to flame wars, so I'll say no more ;-)

English Fish and Chips should only be eaten north of Northampton. The Mecca of the dish is Harry Ramsden's near Leeds.

I never understood the Dutch fascination with 'croquettes', and as for the Dutch/Belgian desire for mayonnaise with their chips - the mind shudders.

I rarely eat street food these days, unless driving long distances by car at night. Then I might stop by a Maccari (McDonalds) and get a hamburger unique to Finland AFAIK - A MacRye, with the normal bun replaced by two dark ryebreads. Just a little bit healthier...

Though there is other localization; the Kiwi Burger in New Zealand, the Maharadja Mac in India, a meat-free McNistisima menu for fasting Greek Orthodox in Cyprus. <so it says here>

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 10:40:10 AM EST
English Fish and Chips should only be eaten north of Northampton. The Mecca of the dish is Harry Ramsden's near Leeds.

Anybody who thinks Harry Ramsden's is any good ...he kno nothing. You've been too long away, my voice throwing fiend, Ramsdens turned into cheap and nasty tourist tat sometime during the 80s.

there's good fish and chip shops everywhere. Can't go wrong with the Brothers chain in London (all shops run by members of the family).

Also, you get lots of ethnic food in london. Indian & Pakistani street food, wrapped in a chapati is lovely. Caribbean salt fish and akee is a revelation.

Can't comment on the spicing of kebabs, but nobody who values their health eats doner kebab in the UK.

In bulgaria there's some great stuff. I can't quite get my head around deep fried chicken feet, but I love the cheese filled burgers. Rummaki, which is chicken liver or heart wrapped in bacon and spit roasted is wonderful.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 03:53:21 PM EST
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All my England-related posts are pickled in aspic pre-1974. Any recommendations have only historical relevance ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 04:11:53 PM EST
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You may not believe this, but they actually have a fish and chips ("Pesce e patate") festival in Tuscany. A lot of the population of the village of Barga emigrated to Scotland, and later returned, bringing some Scottish traditions back with them...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 08:00:45 AM EST
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In Finland you can also get pancakes with jam and cream

What about lemon juice?

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by Melanchthon on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 01:01:49 AM EST
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Sadly no. Suzette is virtually unknown en Finlande.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 03:13:01 AM EST
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Or Cornwall. The fish and chips in cornwall is divine. Basically anywhere close to a fisherman's harbour is good, anywhere else is rubbish.
by darrkespur on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 07:50:03 AM EST
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Your Journey obviously didn't take in Scotland and the Deep fried Mars Bar.

As for British kebabs being the most spicy, is that straight Kebabs or the more spicy Khofte kebabs?

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by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 04:15:50 PM EST
In America "fast-food" has a different meaning.  Mostly we don't have street food like, oh, every other country on earth and NYC.  Except for the Mexicans who sell corn slathered with mayonaise.  shudder...

And Ice Cream.  Yum!

I never ate the street shashlik in Russia (but what is that red sauce they put on it?  YUM!!!) but I always got ice cream (in the dead of winter! crazy Russians!) and khachipuri from street kiosks.  Man, I really miss Georgian food...  I could totally go for some shashlik and khachipuri.

I also like the potato pancakes the outdoor German markets serve in the winter here.

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by poemless on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 04:38:44 PM EST
New York is pretty awesome for street food and hole in the walls of every ethnicity that look ugly and run down but serve great food at cheap prices (also great for super expensive gourmet food, unfortunately I can't afford to blow a couple hundred on a meal). For stuff that maybe isn't a good idea - the  steak tartare I had at a Warsaw street market stand a while back. I was on antibiotics anyways, so I figured it can't hurt. There's apparently great Georgian food out in Queens where a whole bunch of Caucasian Jews have settled, also Central Asian for the same reason. A person I know said she joined up with one of the local synagogues figuring that even an agnostic like her can set through a service in return for a free feast.
by MarekNYC on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 05:23:40 PM EST
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NB one of the stranger recent street food phenomena in NYC has been the proliferation of 'halal' stands. There all run by Arabs and South Asians but I'm still a bit dubious about the halal status of their pork pitas.
by MarekNYC on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 05:25:48 PM EST
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With our large Hispanic population in Austin comes Taco stands, which are especially popular for Breakfast Tacos that include scrambled eggs and whatever else you choose to have on it, such as onions, bacon, cheese, chorizo, etc.

I was at Temple University in Philadelphia in 1976 for a Women in the Law conference and there were many street vendors all around the university area.  I can't speak for today, as I've only been in the downtown area recently, where I didn't notice any.  

I do love buying pommes frites on the street in Belgium and the Netherlands.  And at Belgian Fries in NYC. mmmmmmm

Karen in Austin

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by Wife of Bath (bakerswife13@yahoo.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 11:54:50 AM EST
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The concept of halal pork is interesting...

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by Melanchthon on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 01:09:07 AM EST
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Every Home Depot I've ever seen has a hot dog stand in front--at least on Saturdays.

I saw a T-shirt place today that sold shirts in sizes S, M, L, XL, 2-XL, 3-XL, 4-XL, 5-XL, and 6-XL!

by asdf on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:37:08 PM EST
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I think we live in different Americas. ;)

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by poemless on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 12:00:18 PM EST
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There is-or used to be- a little shop in Acland Street, St Kilda, Melbourne, which sells the world's best falafel.

Acland Street is famous for its cakes, which are rainbow coloured, disgusting in both taste and texture and should be avoided like the plague.

Closer to home, Gaby's, a small shop on the street between Leicester square and Trafalgar square does reasonable falafel (but no Acland Street).  For meat-eaters, however, I've been told that its salt beef sandwich is to die for.

by Sassafras on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 05:06:21 AM EST
The world's best falafel is in Australia?  I'm sorry, but I doubt it.  Maybe the southern hemisphere's best falafel, or the best falafel outside of the actual region that falafel comes from.... cough cough cough.

But speaking of falafel (which in Egypt, where it originated, is called taamiya and made from fava beans rather than the chickpeas found in the Lebanese/Syrian/Israeli versions) there's a place in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., called the Amsterdam Falafelshop that my sister just loves.  Trading on certain, er, cultural stereotypes (of Amsterdam, not of falafel) it serves only three things: falafel, fries and brownies.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 06:21:03 AM EST
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Oh, no!  Falafel wars!  ;)

Well, OK, "the world's best falafel" might be a teensy bit hyperbolic.

But I remember they were based on a handed-down family recipe and I'm guessing it didn't originate in Geelong.  Let's just say they were the best I've eaten.  So far.

And, given that you've just about definitely got to be right, I'll look forward to tasting better.  :)

by Sassafras on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 01:55:37 PM EST
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Anyplace with lots of folks from the countries you've mentioned tends to have good falafel (and lots of crappy versions as well) What I'm wondering is the reason why the best falafel tends to come from Arab joints while the  Israeli ones seem to have cornered the market on top notch hummus.
by MarekNYC on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 02:11:35 PM EST
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so which makes the best tahin?

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 03:26:35 PM EST
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The best hummus is sold in Colorado Springs. It says so right on this site: http://www.medcafe-co.com/
by asdf on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:40:56 PM EST
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In Istanbul, there are grills down by where the ferries dock at Eminonu, serving fish straight from the boats.  It  smelled wonderful.  I don't eat fish, but I wished I did.

And there are simit carts all over the city, selling Turkish bagels.  They come in several different varieties-the most common, and our favourites, were the puffy, brioche-like one and the sesame.

by Sassafras on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 05:31:05 AM EST
Denmark and Norway run on Pølser med Lompe.

ie sausages in a thin potato scone (sort of a potato tortilla).

Then add lovely crunchy stektløk (crunchy fried onions), ketchup and/or sennep (mustard)

Yummmm....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 06:06:08 AM EST
I can't find a youtube of Kylling med soft ice og pølser, how sad!

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 06:10:50 AM EST
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Solveig corrects me. Lompe are a Norwegian thing...

Denmark and other Nordics tend to go for

Pølse i brød

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 06:11:54 AM EST
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In Sweden, varmkorv (as pølseis know here) is popular, though for something really swedish I would choose:

The Tunnbrödrulle:

Here is a traveler describing it for you:

Food « omnivorous

Swedish hot dog stands wrap hot dogs and mashed potatoes in soft flatbread with various garnishes -- lettuce, ketchup, mustard, relish*, and the indispensable crispy fried onion bits.

As anyone who's ever swooned over green bean and onion casserole knows, it's this last addition that lifts the tunnbrödsrulle out of the realm of the ordinary.

by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 05:44:10 PM EST
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Egypt is like the world capital of street food, it must be.  There are so many kinds I can't even describe them all.

Others have mentioned falafel, which is called taamiya here and is eaten in a variety of ways for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Another fava bean favorites is fuul, a brown bean paste which could be called the national dish (although I can think of at least three other "national dishes") and is also eaten for breakfast, lunch and dinner.   It can be served with tahini or without.  It's usually served with a variety of things you can add if you like -- chopped raw onions and tomatoes, fresh lemon juice, spices you can sprinkle in.  (Lebanon has its own version of fuul that's a bit different -- it's not pureed, and it's seasoned as it's cooked, so it's served without the garnishes.)

Shwarma, of course.  Chicken or lamb, usually.  Everywhere.  I like the Lebanese version of chicken shwarma, which comes with a very zesty garlic sauce and usually has fries & pickles rolled right into the sandwich.

Koshari is one of my favorites -- rice, brown lentils, macaroni and fried onions, with a spicy tomato sauce, and then at the table you can add vinegar (if you want) or more chili sauce.  Mmmmmm... a carb-fest.  I love this stuff, seriously.

At a place near my office, I can get nice little fuul and taamiya sandwiches in tiny bread pockets, and also a really tasty egg-and-basterma sandwich that I never get tired of.  Basterma is an Ottoman thing, I think -- it's seasoned air-cured meat.  (I'm pretty careful where I eat it because, yow, raw meat, but boy is it good.)

Also, there are all kinds of things sold from little carts on the street, depending on the season -- roast corn on the cob, roast yams, fresh cactus fruit (not sure what these are called, they look like prickly pears), roast nuts of all sorts (in midwinter, roast chestnuts are a star), fuul nabit (which are sprouted fava beans still in the shell, boiled and salted and very yummy).  The roasting is done on the carts, which have little stoves.  Lately, I've been seeing a lot of sugar cane, sold by the five-foot stalk -- I think mostly it gets juiced, people love sugar cane juice here.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:01:39 AM EST
if you think tapas in Zaragoza as fast food (and some do look like).. THEN THEY ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD.. REALLY.

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by kcurie on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 03:04:38 PM EST
I'm coming to Barcelona next monday. Could you send me an e-mail so we can get in touch?

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by Melanchthon on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 01:22:20 AM EST
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I would like to stress the definition used for fast food HERE: "hot food you buy on your way"... I mean, it´s a "personal" definition for defining the kind of "food wisdom" I wanted us to exchange... Not necessarily bad... [although it´s true most of it is greasy :):)]

The debated exceded my expectations!!! So many kebab lovers, we should create a fan club...

by pereulok on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 04:53:39 AM EST
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Debate on ET always exceeds expectations.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 05:05:53 AM EST
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... in Newcastle, NSW, that has excellent meat pies ... their curry meat pie with mushy peas on top ... excellent.

A bit out of the way for most people on the EuroTrib, but.

Meat pies are the most expert-friendly fast food in Oz, since they run the gamut from delectable to nearly inedible to severe regret. For example, if tempted to buy a train station meat pie, buy an apple and hang on until you reach civilization. Khebabs are far more uniform quality, from so-so to pretty good.

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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 06:38:25 PM EST
Kebab and Shoarma are two different things? Anyway, I get a lot of Döner Kebab here, most with meat, some also with chips or country potatoes. I had one with meat, potatoes and sweet peppers the other day. Which was quite good. Other than that, there is a lot of Turkish Köfte in my neighbourhood. I have to say, though, that none of the Turkish shops makes Falafel that is worth seeing the light of day. Thankfully, there is also one Lebanese shop nearby.

In the Netherlands, you should not get a hamburger from that machine. Get a frikandel! Or a kroket! Better yet, don't get it from the machine! Go to the counter and ask for a broodje frikandel speciaal. Hmmm...

I have to admit that I never tried that Madrid food. Should go to Spain someday.

The local food in Berlin is Curry mit Pommes, which looks like this:


(click on the image for a larger picture)

Although more people eat Döner.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 06:43:58 PM EST


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