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by afew
Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:16:00 PM EST

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I was logging out to see what comment threads look like to new users, and found to my surprise that yesterday's OT did not display the first sub-thread that started with comment N° 1 by Jérôme. I got the same result in Firefox or Internet Explorer.

Can anyone else reproduce this?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:24:26 PM EST
I get the same.

how odd.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:33:36 PM EST
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Very. The comments haven't been editorialised or hidden, they display normally when I'm logged in.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:37:51 PM EST
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same here,

losing the first 19 comments, on firefox and opera, giving

Drew J Jones:

"No bailout for Fannie and Freddie on the horizon," sez Paulson.

Fannie, Freddie and the markets in general promptly tank.

Freddie: 4.23 (-47%)
Fannie: 7.40 (-44%)

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

as the first visible comment if i'm not logged in


Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:48:10 PM EST
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Same here.  I installed someone's update last night before closing down.  Could  this be a glitch?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 01:21:49 PM EST
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I haven't installed the update yet. Anyway, it only works with Firefox. And this problem occurs with other browsers.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 01:27:38 PM EST
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That is reassuring.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 01:31:50 PM EST
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It's got to be a server problem.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 02:11:49 PM EST
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Are you sure the comment is not displayed, or just winds up showing further down the thread like it did when I logged out and looked at it ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 01:49:11 PM EST
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Aagh of course

<checks>

yep its just ordering them differently.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 02:13:57 PM EST
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Yes, I checked and it was nowhere. Now I'll check again.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 02:49:45 PM EST
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OK, it is there <duh!> But I can see no logical order to the way comments are displayed.

The first top-level comments are something like #8, #36, #39... The time-stamp doesn't order them, it's not oldest top or newest top. The order doesn't come from ratings either.

That's what I wanted to look at: how does a new user see a comment thread?

To be as real a new user as possible, I logged out, left the site, came back. And did the same using IE. The result is identical.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:03:29 PM EST
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Maybe number of replies is taken into account?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:18:41 PM EST
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The order seems random from that point of view.

Do you know what the default setting is for comment thread display, or where it's defined?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:35:25 PM EST
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Problem later settled by changing one of the default comment display settings so that ratings are ignored.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 03:17:45 AM EST
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Under IE it's always been like that. The only thing I've noticed is that higher rated comments proceed to the front, but unrated child comments weigh them down.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 05:18:48 PM EST
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Do you mean as a new or unlogged-in user? Or when you're logged in?

As a member, you can change comments display settings on your user settings page.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 03:15:14 AM EST
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What's new for a UK Saturday? No Dr Who...

I'll have to settle for watching highlights of Mark Cavendish's dash to glory.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:36:11 PM EST
Ah I have 5 weeks of Dr Who unwatched on the Murdoch box.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:49:21 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | England | Essex | Golf club ends 113-year sock rule

Men have been given permission to show off their legs at an Essex golf club for the first time in 113 years.

Members of Frinton Golf Club were previously required to wear knee-length socks with shorts.

But now committee members have relaxed the rule and men can wear short socks - a move that officials said has divided the club's 600 members.

If anyone has experience of Frinton-on-sea, this is just a proper Frinton story.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 12:52:57 PM EST
I thought OT was supposed to go up somewhere between 12:00 & 15:00 gmt to accomodate the fact that Salon is going up at 22:00

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 01:29:21 PM EST
You were correctly informed. We regret any inconvenience that may have been experienced etc.

That all right?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:06:39 PM EST
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In fact, no, you were not correctly informed. 12h00 GMT would be really early. Closer to 14h00 would be more like it.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:10:17 PM EST
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Not the busiest day of the week, as you know.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:08:33 PM EST
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Lust in Space

He told The Sunday Telegraph: "The men and women whom we select to go back to the Moon, and on to Mars, will be professionals.

"But the bottom line is that, like hunger and thirst, sex is a basic biological motive. The potential round-trip mission to Mars could take three years. It doesn't make sense to assume that these men and women are going to have no thoughts of it for three years. Nasa and other space agencies should address this in their training and in crew selection."




You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:08:33 PM EST
They could just build some stuff into the spacesuits. Yet another problem solved by technology.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:13:02 PM EST
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Will tethers become space S&M?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 03:39:18 PM EST
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some form of anti-arousal injections?

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 04:57:52 PM EST
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as you well know, the iconic inability of astronauts to walk on return from orbit is the result of long term boners in a tight spacesuit. It's called the cosmic toothache. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 05:04:54 PM EST
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Of course, we would have to send married astronauts, but the missionary position requirement could be a problem in zero G.  What to do?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 04:57:48 PM EST
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surgically implant velcro into the back of the female astronauts, then from there on it will all be done with bungee cords.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 04:59:15 PM EST
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How about velcro for both?  Then they have some variety.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 05:11:27 PM EST
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I thought the point was to avoid variety?

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 05:20:45 PM EST
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That would be for NASA.  For the Astronauts and the feminists...

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 06:12:01 PM EST
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come on, you know that if they permit lust in space, that will attract a whole new breed of astronauts!

zero-G sex could lead to an interesting addendum to the kama-sutra.

There are no blank spots on the map any more, anywhere on earth. You want a blank spot on the map, you gotta leave the map behind. Jon Krakauer

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 05:06:32 PM EST
Unsubstantiated rumours suggest there are at least a couple of people in the hundred mile high club. The Space Station is getting quite large now, it's a shirtsleeve environment on the inside, and astronaut time isn't always as aggressively supervised as on shuttle flights.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 08:47:00 PM EST
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what happens to a G-spot at zero-G?

this might be the most serious science there is, considering the way the future of the yooman race is tending down here...

aggressively supervised

sounds pretty kinky to me...

space porn, the last frontier!

There are no blank spots on the map any more, anywhere on earth. You want a blank spot on the map, you gotta leave the map behind. Jon Krakauer

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jul 13th, 2008 at 05:50:43 AM EST
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I just got back from a cook-out and it is downright cold outside for short sleeves and shorts.  It has been a sunny, breezy day, but now it must be under 20`.

_Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena._
by metavision on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 08:12:10 PM EST
More like April/May here, with more daylight.

The Gulf Stream seems to be avoiding this part of the world so far this year.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jul 12th, 2008 at 08:48:28 PM EST
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