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Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:00:43 AM EST

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The World as seen from Paris!

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by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:03:25 AM EST
Depends which "French" we're talking about. Officialdom lacks humour, but there are plenty of French ready to take the piss out of France, and even mercilessly. This map (according to Strange Maps) came from the magazine Actuel that became known from 1970 as the counterculture mag featuring sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll, comix by the likes of Crumb, etc. Actuel, in a later, less "hippie" version, finally  gave up the ghost some time in the early '90s.

The map features the Iron Curtain, which I should think dates it to the '80s (corroborated by the designation of New Zealand as "our enemy"... Rainbow Warrior, anyone?). I think I remember seeing it... in French.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:26:27 AM EST
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I see I replied to Strange Maps rather more than to you, stormy, sorry! :-)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:57:07 AM EST
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Heh.  I wondered what it was I'd said... ;-)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:58:42 PM EST
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Discovered today that you can't use an iPhone 3G as a bluetooth modem for a MacBook Pro.

Said the AppleDroid "No, the Internet can't be used outside of the phone."

Another demonstration of the planet-inspirising awesomeosity that is Apple.

[Sigh...]

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:04:55 AM EST
haha....I was using my crappy RAZR to do just that three years ago.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:05:50 PM EST
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That's beside the point.  It's an iPod, a phone and an "Internet communications device".  Now pay attention...



Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:19:11 PM EST
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Give it a few weeks and that will be cracked wide open.
by paving on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:16:35 PM EST
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Well, I'm back in the "rainy area", where it's cloudy and drizzling with occasional bursts of rain.

Left Dijon at 9:00 and caught the 5:30 ferry (after a sprint around Carrefour for cheese and pate). Back home in tme for dinner.

Apologies to Melancthon for not calling in, I thought you were away. Never mind, I'll be in the area after the Paris meet in Sept so maybe then.....

so now, back to normally scheduled sarcasm

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:17:34 AM EST
Hi Helen, nice to see you back online. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:59:41 PM EST
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Thank you. I have been around occasionally but will be more or less back full time for a month. Then might be absent again, have to see.

It's been strange to note that without regular access to a newspaper I don't feel the same urge to comment on stuff. I don't feel I have any perspective to add.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:31:22 PM EST
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You may have no perspective, but I'm sure that bottomless well of cynicism isn't entirely exhausted yet ;-)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 06:10:13 PM EST
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With the world situation as it is and watching our esteemed leaders either forking up huge bales of money for their retirement funds from shady insider deals and governmental "expenses" or flailing around piteously as the inadequates they mostly are, there is plenty of fuel to keep the raging fires of my cynicism aflame for a long while to come.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 06:20:38 PM EST
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The rest of us will bring marshmallows and deckchairs to sit on and toast in those flames.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 06:28:21 PM EST
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Which reminds me, have a zillion photos so have to do a couple of diaries. Does the FAQ show how to determine size of the image ? cos I don't want to drown people's connections with bandwidth hungry images.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:19:19 AM EST
pc or mac?

do you have MS office?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:42:36 AM EST
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PC and no I can't afford msOffice.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:03:58 PM EST
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For the photo blogs, the guideline is to post photos no more than 600 pixels wide, (so as not to push the column wide), and no more than about 100Kb for bandwidth reasons.

The best thing is to use an image editor (like IrfanView if you haven't got a fancy one) to reduce width to 600 pixels. That will usually be enough to reduce the size in Kb. Then put the pics into an image server like Photobucket and copy the Direct Link they offer for each photo.

The syntax is:

<img src="(paste in Direct Link here)">

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:55:45 AM EST
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don't image editors cost money ? and don't they require several hours trying to work out how to translate the "instructions" from hardcore techie know-all-ese into "english for normal people" ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:01:50 PM EST
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IrfanView is freeware for Windows. Open a pic in it and press Ctrl-R, which will allow you to specify width 600. Then hit S to save. On the quality scale you're offered, choose about 80-85.

No more complicated than that.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:05:18 PM EST
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Ah, okay. I'll give it a go later. I'm still catching up.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 12:09:10 PM EST
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Sorry, had visitors, so didn't reply earlier.

one thing to do, if you are making a copy for the web, copy them into a separate folder before you  shrink it for web use, so you still have the original left at full quality

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:05:21 PM EST
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You can even use MS paint for resizing. The JPG compression ratio is fixed, but it's about right for web presentation.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:07:39 PM EST
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Explain more. I like stuff I don't have to download.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:17:30 PM EST
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Photobucket has it's own editing feature now - you can resize easily and no downloads needed.  Do you have a photobucket account yet?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:21:29 PM EST
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Yes, that is one thing I managed. All I have to do is find the welcome email so's I can find out where it is.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:20:19 PM EST
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Assuming you are starting with JPGs from your camera (as in you don't have an SLR outputting RAW format), open the JPG with MS paint, click on the "image" tab, and select "stretch/skew". In the stretch fields, type in a % less than 100 for both the horizontal and vertical fields to shrink it.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:23:19 PM EST
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Isn't it easier just to use html?  Like this:

width="500"

< img src="(paste in Direct Link here)" width="500" >

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:33:26 PM EST
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No because changing dimensions alone doesn't reduce the file size in kb.  It can be only 100 pixels wide from 800 but will still be 600kb if that was the original file size.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:53:34 PM EST
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What happens is that the html gets the picture file as it is on the server, then reduces it for display. So it still has to download all the bytes of the original file, ie same bandwidth as if it were displaying it full size.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:48:50 PM EST
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Thank you and In Wales for clearing that up.  Frankly, I have no idea what In Wales meant, but she's a photographer, so I am sure whatever she said was correct.  Your comment is a bit clearer.  

Well, that's how I've been doing it all along, resizing things.  

Helen, if it is some consolation/encouragement, I think photobucket is easy to use.  And I don't speak photographer.  A monkey could use it.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:02:44 PM EST
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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm still in catch-up mode but will want to post some stuff in the next day or so.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:26:47 PM EST
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Helen, you owe me a pony.  I told you so:

NYT | Now in Living Rooms, the Host Apparent

For clues about who might be next to get a show on MSNBC, viewers need not have looked further than "Countdown" earlier this month. For eight nights beginning just before the Fourth of July, Rachel Maddow, the host of a program on Air America, the liberal talk-radio network, served as a substitute for the vacationing Keith Olbermann.

"At some point, I don't know when, she should have a show," said Phil Griffin, hours before he was promoted on Wednesday to president of MSNBC. "She's on the short list. It's a very short list. She's at the top."

At the moment every slot at night on MSNBC is taken, with David Gregory at 6 handing off to Chris Matthews at 7, and with Dan Abrams at 9 following Mr. Olbermann at 8. But some shuffling could be in the offing; Mr. Matthews's contract, for example, is up next year.

Bye, Tweety.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:26:49 PM EST
It would be nice and convenient. Getting rid of a slavering Bush fanatic just as Bush smirks his way out of the WH and installing a dem just as it gets fashionable to be a dem.

But each and every day there's an item or 10 on Kos and other blogs I read about how the majority tradmed just ignore issues involving the GOP and pile in on the Dems. Each and every day. How McCain is never reported honestly, how Bush stuff just gets swept under the carpet. Like how Cusack's film War Inc. is just so 5 years ago cos they know all about that stuff but never told anybody.

One or two voices in the wilderness of cable don't mean squat. Soon as fashions change they'll say we need more GOP voices and she and Keith'll be canned, like Donahoe was. cos we can't have any DFHs on teevee or serious newspapers when it's GOP-time.

Will a donkey do ? Or at least a donkey bell ? I bought one in Bulgaria for $4.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:57:03 PM EST
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And yet, despite all the garbage, McCain is still behind.  They're trying to keep the race close, and you know how reporters love Grandpa Simpson.  If Obama blows McCain away all year the ratings will tank.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:20:12 PM EST
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I wish it was just about the ratings. We saw the same in 2000 when the media were all in the tank for Bush.
It ain't about ratings, they're just all GOP-dogs who want their guy to win cos they're all rich (even when, like Gibson, they think $200k is an average wage). And like Gramm and the rest of the GOP they don't see why anybody is whining about the economy cos they're all right jack. And Iraq is so last year (or the next 100 years) but not on any tv screen near you.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:24:57 PM EST
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Well, no, it's obviously not just about the ratings.  they'd much rather have St John.  But, regardless of to whom they owed their loyalty, they'd be pushing a close race.

Tough to do when Grandpa's admitting he needs to campaign in states Dems haven't won in 44 years, though.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:44:50 PM EST
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That disconnect may well not be in the tradmed's favour. There is such a difference between the mood of the country (as I preceive it) and what the TM are pushing that people will be forced to confront the fact that they're being lied to.

Kinda like the LA Times story that describes mainstream thinking in the US as the wild and wacky "far-left". People are gonna say "but that's me" and identify more with the blogs than the TM.

Or am I just clutching at straws ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:56:27 PM EST
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No, you're right.  It's been interesting to watch as the gap between the press and the public widens.  It gives me a little hope that my fellow countrymen aren't almost all dumber than bricks.

The tradmed is losing touch with the American people.  I think the economic meltdown has focused the electorate.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:00:35 PM EST
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than expected.

This Dutch piece of news from Metro says that according to the Dutch meteorological institute, temperature will increase twice as quick in Western Europe, compared to the global average.

The following New Scientist piece says that meltwater from ice sheets travels slowly, meaning that the melting of Greenland will raise water levels in the North Atlantic by more than expected.

Melting ice sheets will send slow wave around globe - earth - 09 July 2008 - New Scientist Environment

If the ice caps melt, low-lying coasts will disappear beneath the waves first, right? Not necessarily. The sea level "wave" takes time to travel around the globe, so Pacific islands could get a temporary reprieve, while Atlantic coasts bear the brunt.

Many climate models predict that melting in Greenland could cause a global sea level rise of more than a metre in the next century. This would engulf Pacific islands such as Kiribati and Tuvalu.

Yet Detlef Stammer of the University of Hamburg, Germany, says the majority of Greenland's meltwater will stay in the Atlantic Ocean for at least 50 years, causing sea levels here to rise faster than expected. "The Greenland ice cap is much less of a threat to tropical islands in the Pacific than it is for the coasts of North America and Europe," he says.


It would be good if, contrary to prior expectations, a lot of climate change impacts will hit early and hard in the 'west'. Western countries have more money to adapt, and could use a greater incentive to take real action.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 01:40:23 PM EST
Programming all day. Unable to speak or write human. Reading human is an effort.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 02:42:23 PM EST


Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:05:54 PM EST
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The civil servants dream, Write-only memory.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:25:24 PM EST
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Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 03:07:22 PM EST
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WOMAD is on next week and then there is a summer school for performing arts the week after. There is one course for Egyptian dance featuing Serena Ramzy (v highly rated dancer). I was almost tempted to give it a go even tho' I haven't danced seriously for nearly two years. However, not only is it £275 for the course, but accomodation is a further £180. Which I though a bit steep.

I'd rather fly to the US and do a week long there (US egyptian dance instructors are the best by a country mile).

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 04:17:29 PM EST
~ 1 in 4 adults now obese: new CDC data

well, may not so itsy bitsy...

~ Denial of citizenship for Muslim woman violates neutrality of French secularism

Rock on, Angela!  I agree.  But then I am one of those radical secularist types...

~ Chukotka remains Abramovich's business project

Looks like the Chukchi are suffering some serious grief since Roman stepped down as guv.  Not they are like, "Come back and be our Duma Chair!  We promise, you won't even have to do any work!"  Crazy stuff.  They're mad about him.  This part of the article I am posting just because it is so weirdly written:

Deputies of the local Duma gathered on July 13 to confirm the appointment of the new Chukotka governor, Roman Kopin. The procedure was brief. They also approached Abramovich on behalf of all Chukotka residents with the request to stay in the region and chair the regional Duma. The current head, Vasily Nazarenko is old and weak and is unable to perform his duties.

The deputies stressed that Abramovich would not have to work hard at this position. They know that such a busy man cannot spend all his time in Chukotka. However, the position would not demand it, the message said. It would be awkward to quote the whole message sent to the oligarch, who mainly resides in London, because it is full of praises.

~ Haha!  Even Josh Keating, who can barely let a day pass without saying something not nice about Russia, can't stop himself from posting gratuitious and apropos of nothing "Vovka out on a fishing holiday with, oops!, no shirt on" pictures!

~ From Robert Amsterdam's blog, Dima cracks down on ... old bureaucrats without the mad skillz

Russia's new 42-year-old president showed frustration with government officials who do not know how to use a computer and warned Thursday that they could soon be out of a job.

"They either should learn or, as they say, goodbye," President Dmitry Medvedev said. "We don't hire people who can't read and write. Computer literacy today is the same."

Note to White House, "We don't hire people who can't read and write."  Now, there's an idea...


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 04:45:49 PM EST
dKos notes that Gore has an energy speech

Whilst I'm entirely supportive of this initiative and hope Obama takes it on board, I have a question.

This is being sold to the American people as a solution to high foreign fuel prices, ie oil. All well and good, but he's really talking about elelctricity generation and there aren't any commercial oil burning power stations in the US. Have I missed anything or is this a way of selling a good thing with a slightly misleading sales pitch ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 04:45:56 PM EST
Part of his plan is a massive switch to electric cars, to save Detroit.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:21:12 PM EST
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My phone has just beeped 4 times in the last 5 minutes like it's getting a text, but nothing has come through. Can phones get hacked ? Not that there's anything on my phone to worry about (I don't even save phone numbers) but it's a bit puzzling.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 04:49:52 PM EST
You should be aware of stuff like this....

gulp.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:12:40 PM EST
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this

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:15:21 PM EST
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Ah, but I'm not getting any record of having got a call. Just a ring ring and then [empty]

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:25:29 PM EST
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There is something not widely publicized that may be of interest, if it is true. Certain chips used in mobiles (but not Nokia) have the capability of being  switched on remotely. Theoretically, that could turn them into listening devices. I was told this by someone who would know, but who knows agendas these days.

What is true, is that operators have the ability to selectively shut down access to whole ranges of subscribers. So in the event of a catastrophe, only certain mobiles (emergency services, government etc) will be allowed access.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:36:52 PM EST
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I'd always assumed that anyway. One of the failures identified during 7/7 was that emergency services expected to be able to use mobile phones for co-ordination. They completely failed to anticipate that networks would be swamped by people making calls to reassure, or seek information from others.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:47:40 PM EST
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What makes Nokia so special? I havent heard of them being exempt from that "Feature"

(If that turns on you dont get a ringtone, last thing you want is to make your victim suspicious of their phone, just the battery willl run down unusually quickly)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 06:14:34 PM EST
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Uh, as someone who uses a Nokia phone, and whose battery has been running down suspiciously quickly, I would be curious about that as well.

/paranoid

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 08:25:35 PM EST
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I'd  take the battery out if you're going to talk to anyone and you wouldn't want "Them" to listen in

</tinfoil hat>

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 03:35:51 PM EST
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The surveillance technique came to light in an opinion published this week by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone.

Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.

Linkage from 18 months ago

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 03:40:40 PM EST
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Easy to do.  

Install a listening circuit powered by a trickle charge from the battery or a capacitor.  When it gets the 'go' signal a burst of power through the On/Off circuit.  The power-on jingle, display, keypad lights, etc., would have to be inhibited, no big deal; in fact, done with a wee bit of thought it would only require one transistor to inhibit all those features.

Of course it's a Bet-the-Company move.  If the news ever leaked that such a thing was done customers would run away.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 11:04:02 PM EST
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Call Dr Who, aliens have absorbed your diary in gooey fashion.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:16:11 PM EST
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I know, I know. I shouldn't mess with the hackers...But I found an interesting glitch in Scoop - maybe.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 05:29:51 PM EST
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From the BBC, but no links yet.

 Treasury officials looking at ways to relax Gordon Brown's so-called fiscal rules on public borrowing.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 at 06:31:16 PM EST
Cool!
by pereulok on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 at 05:13:40 AM EST


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