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by Colman
Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:23:56 AM EST

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Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 10:24:39 AM EST
"Finish each day and be done with it.  You have done what you could.  Some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can.  Tomorrow is a new day.  You can begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense."  

--Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:05:16 AM EST
Is it true that in foreign lands there is a blazing light in the sky called "the Sun"? That skies can be blue, not grey in colour, and that laundry can be hung outside to dry?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:41:23 PM EST
Yeah, we have one of those Sun thingamajigs here... not all it's cracked up to be, really.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:47:25 PM EST
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I'll swap you for half an hour.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:48:33 PM EST
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Sure, that'd give your laundry plenty of time to dry.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:50:17 PM EST
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And give you more rain than you normally get in a month.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:51:58 PM EST
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Or a year, probably.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:57:34 PM EST
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Thanks...got the time I needed to sort out the garden and then the rain returned with a vengeance!!!

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. Oscar Wilde
by Sam on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:30:16 PM EST
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I got drenched cycling to the gym and looked very soggy leaping around in classes.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:30:06 PM EST
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Ahh, a little rain would be nice. The last few days we had approx. 32-34°C and it's been muggy. Last night it looked like a thunderstorm was brewing, but it never happened. Same today, hope it will rain.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:33:01 PM EST
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I'll admit it was very invigorating, and it was properly lashing it down too. But the air wasn't cold so it was nice.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:47:35 PM EST
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After 3 days of clear blue skies and 30+C, it's quite a Donnerwetter (thunderstorm) happening here.  Appropriate for the evening of my first diary ever, and a literary one at that.  (He says without a clue.)  About how you get oil.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:19:18 PM EST
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Bloomberg.com: Worldwide
GM Bankruptcy `Not Impossible,' Merrill Analyst Says (Update3)

By Greg Bensinger and Jeff Green

July 2 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., battered by the slowest U.S. sales market in 15 years, faces the possibility of bankruptcy and may need to raise as much as $15 billion, a Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst said.

The ``dramatic drop-off'' in sales probably will continue through 2009, forcing GM to find additional funding, analyst John Murphy, who cut the Detroit-based automaker's shares to ``underperform'' from ``buy,'' said in a report. ``Bankruptcy is not impossible if the market continues to deteriorate.''

Ladies and gentlemen, fasten your seat belts.  It's going to be a bumpy ride.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:53:23 PM EST
by those hoping for GM to default on its pensions and healthcare obligations, and re-start, "leaner" and "ununcumbered" by "unrealistic" labor costs forced upon them by greedy unions?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 12:56:00 PM EST
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No doubt some in Washington and New York see the, ahem, opportunities there.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:01:28 PM EST
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That outcome has been foreseeable for a long time. I'll claim it's inevitable.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:41:20 PM EST
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and I was expecting a push for nationalized health care based on cries from the automakers, but they haven't come yet.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:42:41 PM EST
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The big U.S. steam locomotive manufacturers are all out of business today.
ALCO survived the longest possibly because it had a joint-business venture with GE to produce diesel electrics. GE begun selling locomotives itself in 1956, but ALCO kept making diesels well into the 1960s.

But all in all, the steam locomotive builders were unable to change quickly enough to diesel locomotives to be competitive and some even tried like Baldwin and ALCO. Why will gasoline automobile manufacturers be any different?

GE still builds diesel electrics. Ironically, GM sold Electro-Motive Division (EMD), the second largest locomotive builder, in 2005 to the private Greenbriar Equity and Berkshire Partners.

by Magnifico on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:59:34 PM EST
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Every three months or so, the euro goes up brutally by 10-15 cents, and stabilises around there. It looks like we're soon due another jerk up.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:02:04 PM EST
Um, you could make a lot of money if you really believed that.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 01:37:31 PM EST
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given that I have euros, I'll be making a lot of money, when expressed in dollars!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:02:09 PM EST
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Could you explain that to me?
by Magnifico on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:33:06 PM EST
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Borrow dollars to buy euros shortly before you think the jump is due.

Assuming you're correct in the belief, of course.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:34:52 PM EST
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Maybe Jerome watched Pi last night.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:37:42 PM EST
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City of Houston Gives Wind Power a Turn

HOUSTON -- The heart of the U.S. oil patch on Tuesday began using wind-powered electricity for about a fourth of its municipal power needs at a lower price than it is paying for power produced from coal and natural gas, city officials said.

The move shows how renewable energy's prospects are improving at a time of soaring fossil-fuel prices. Long derided as an expensive niche, wind power now is moving closer to the mainstream.

Houston's push also underscores how far renewable energy has to go. Wind power has taken hold more in Texas than in many other states, both because the western part of the state is breezy and because Texas has enacted a mandate designed to boost wind-power generation. The federal government has rejected calls to implement that kind of mandate nationally.

Under a five-year contract, Houston will pay a fixed price of 7.5 cents per kilowatt hour for the wind-generated electricity, 21% lower than the 9.5 cents per kilowatt hour it pays for conventional power.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:30:26 PM EST
Wind power for a quarter of its energy, expanding in its rail networks, etc.  Houston is treading dangerously close to having a clue lately.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:35:40 PM EST
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Somewhere in the peak oil media in the past few years there was a story about the mayor of Houston bringing in local business leaders to tell them (paraphrased) "we're not expending our road and highway system any further - you're going to have to get creative in terms of how you get your employees to their jobs."

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 02:40:00 PM EST
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as a full fledged diary:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/2/143325/5366/660/545471

And posted as a diary here too: http://www.eurotrib.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2008/7/2/151318/9555

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 03:17:49 PM EST
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Looks like you have gotten very favorable responses so far.  I was particularly pleased with the post that noted how the energy company that was planning to build several coal powered stations before new regulations kicked in got bought out.  I followed that story earlier this year. It would not have happened were it not for the resolute opposition of so many Texans.  They did not want to be stuck paying a fortune to a bunch of carbon dioxide spewers for their lost "opportunity cost."  I was born in Texas, Texas is a neighbor, kinda warms my heart.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 03:46:02 PM EST
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CNN just reported Íngrid Betancourt and three US hostages have been released.
by det on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 03:25:50 PM EST
Colombia says rescues Betancourt and Americans | Top News | Reuters
BOGOTA (Reuters) - French-Colombian politician Ingrid Betancourt and three Americans were rescued from leftist guerrillas by Colombian troops, Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos said on Wednesday.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 03:58:26 PM EST
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Fantastic news.  I can't imagine what that poor woman has been through.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:38:36 PM EST
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How will Sarkozy claim credit for this one?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:37:48 PM EST
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I wonder about the story itself.  There have been negotiations on her release for some time, and recently there were reports it was about to happen.  Clear to me that the rebels knew her value as a hostage was over.  I expect that they actually turned her over in some way (going out on a limb) and the rest of the story is Spin.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 05:22:35 PM EST
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Quite possible. Sarkozy's not getting any credit, though. :-)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 at 01:52:12 AM EST
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Has anyone else tried Wah Plums?  My flatmate just gave me one. They are dried plums with something done to them, very tart, strange taste.  I didn't mind it, unlike his colleagues who apparently spat them out.  I don't think it will top my favourite snack list like it does his though.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 2nd, 2008 at 04:32:21 PM EST


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