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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:33:34 PM EST
Divorce rules could divide EU states - EUobserver

Nine EU states are getting ready to reinforce their legal co-operation at the EU level by agreeing a common divorce law, by-passing Sweden's veto and posing questions about a "two-speed Europe."

France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, Luxembourg and Romania are set to implement the so-called enhanced co-operation procedure, while other countries - including Germany, Belgium, Portugal and Lithuania - are also currently considering joining the initiative, according to the AFP news agency.

International divorces amount to some 20 percent of all divorces taking place in the EU each year.

If the nine countries go ahead, it will be the first time the legal mechanism - allowing a minimum of eight EU states to present the European Commission with a demand for "enhanced co-operation" - will have been activated.

Provided that the commission accepts the move, it then has to be approved by a qualified majority of the bloc's 27 member states.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:39:23 PM EST
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Divorce Law May Lead to Divided, Two-Speed EU | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 24.07.2008
For the first time ever, nine of the EU's 27 members are preparing to implement a cooperation mechanism that some observers fear could turn the bloc into a collection of ad-hoc agreements made by small groups of states.

The move by the nine countries, which could receive the support of Germany and several other nations, according to the AFP news agency, could set a precedent for small groups of EU members to cooperate without the entire bloc's support.

 

France, Italy, Spain, Greece, Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, Luxembourg and Romania are ready to invoke the bloc's "enhanced cooperation procedure" at a justice ministers' meeting on Friday, July 25, to strike a deal on international divorce law.

 

Sweden vetoed a proposal that would have allowed couples of different EU nationalities to choose which country's laws to use when divorcing. EU family law requires unanimous support in order to be enacted.

 

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:43:50 PM EST
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could turn the bloc into a collection of ad-hoc agreements made by small groups of states.

Currently "the bloc" is a collection of no ad-hoc agreements or bilateral agreements between states, on issues like divorce. So where's the problem in at least a group of states doing something better?

If the others are (woo-hoo) scared of "two-speed", let them get on board and make it "one-speed".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:32:34 PM EST
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I'm curious tho' what Sweden's case is, surely it's not some backwardness like one would expect from a Catholic country - could there be a race to the bottom involved?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:54:31 PM EST
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Quoting from here:

  •  Spouses shall, each according to his or her ability, contribute to the maintenance needed to meet their joint and personal needs. Provisions on maintenance for children are set out in the Children and Parents Code.

  •  If the contribution which one spouse is to make is not sufficient for that spouse's personal needs or for the payments which that spouse otherwise attends to for the maintenance of the family, the other spouse shall contribute the money that is needed.

The intent is to ensure one spouse (usually the woman) does not suffer financial hardship as a result of a divorce.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:37:36 PM EST
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The proposal is not a new divorce law, simply an agreement on which country's law would apply in a divorce between nationals of different states.

EUobserver

Under the proposal, currently blocked by Sweden - which would prefer to keep its own liberal national law - the couples would be able to choose which country's law to apply for their divorce proceedings.

If they cannot agree, their joint connection to a country - notably related to the time of residence - determines which country's courts would deal with the divorce case.

What's misleading is that Sweden would not be obliged to change its "liberal national law": just to enter into an agreement in which Swedish nationals might find themselves obliged to accept that their divorce take place under the rules of another member state (that of the other spouse), in cases where the spouses failed to agree that it should be Swedish law that would apply.

This is more the "protect your own nationals" reflex, it seems to me, than any wish to avoid a "race to the bottom".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:10:58 AM EST
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Yay for enhanced cooperation!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 10:44:06 AM EST
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If the nine countries go ahead, it will be the first time the legal mechanism - allowing a minimum of eight EU states to present the European Commission with a demand for "enhanced co-operation" - will have been activated.

Though the Schengen Agreement was not an enhanced cooperation, the enhanced cooperation mechanism is definitely inspired by the way Schengen was brought about. One also should think about the Eurozone as an enhanced cooperation of sorts.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 10:47:22 AM EST
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EU clears baby bottle chemical despite Canada ban - EUobserver

A chemical commonly found in baby bottles and teethers that has been taken off the shelves in Canada is safe for European infants, the EU's food safety monitors have found.

The levels of bisphenol A, or BPA, found in such items is safe for infants in small amounts, according to a European Food Safety Authority (EFSA)scientific opinion issued on Wednesday (23 July), which stated that the substance "provides a sufficient margin of safety for the protection of the consumer, including fetuses and newborns."

Bisphenol A, a chemical commonly found in baby bottles, is safe in small amounts, European food safety experts have found

"After exposure to BPA, the human body rapidly metabolises and eliminates the substance," the report added. "The exposure of the human foetus to BPA would be negligible because the mother rapidly metabolises and eliminates BPA from her body."

"The scientists also concluded that newborns are similarly able to metabolise and eliminate BPA at doses below 1 milligram per kilogram of body weight per day."

Controversy surrounding the chemical exploded in April this year, when EFSA's Canadian counterpart, Health Canada, released an assessment of BPA that concluded it may pose some risk to infants and proposed reclassifying the chemical as "toxic" to human health and the environment.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:39:55 PM EST
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The World from Berlin: 'Merkel Has No Grand Plans' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

With summer break having arrived, German Chancellor Angela Merkel sat down with the press on Wednesday. Her government, she insisted, was still on the right track. With her personal approval rates soaring, one can forgive her optimism.

 German Chancellor Angela Merkel answered the questions of the press on Wednesday. It was as if the months of political bickering between the Social Democrats and Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats never happened. Forget about the only recently ended quarrel over minimum wage. Ignore the recent flare up over nuclear energy. And complaints about the CDU not allowing their coalition partners from the SPD to take any credit? Not important.

On Wednesday, at her traditional press conference just before the government goes on summer break next week, Merkel insisted that her cabinet cooperated well. "As for how we work together," she said, "I think we do so very, very well; the various ministers with their different profiles and possibilities -- whether or not they come from the Union (eds: CDU plus the Christian Social Union) or the SPD -- all have the possibility to take their part of the credit."

But even as Merkel ran down a list of her government's accomplishments this year and pointed to the challenges remaining ahead, she also had a message for her coalition: With general elections still well over a year away, it is far too early to begin campaigning. "After the summer break, we need to continue working," she said. "There will be plenty of time for campaigning, but not in the coming months."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:41:08 PM EST
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SPIEGEL doing recension:

The World from Berlin: 'Merkel Has No Grand Plans' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

"Of course one shouldn't be naïve. Merkel has one goal above all others: She wants to remain in power. But contrary to the SPD leadership, she is convinced that she can only do that by exerting a credible amount of effort instead of constantly complaining about her coalition partners -- like Kurt Beck does.... Only when the SPD leadership is successful in creating a different image of itself will people begin returning to them."

"Of course, Merkel doesn't have any grand plans and she doesn't develop any far-reaching visions. She doesn't move people with her ideas. But she scores political points anyway. Her trump is called pragmatism. The SPD has to realize, as painful as it may be, that Merkel's method plays best to the public."

Gaaaaah!!! And Süddeutsche is supposed to be center-left. What they describe is nothing but what I described here on ET time and again: Merkel walking in Kohl's footsteps. The recipe is: do nothing in terms of real reforms, let your opponents destroy themselves, and use surrogates for the nasty jobs while you yourself should radiate an above-the-daily-squabbles image (godfather of the nation in Kohl's case, what for Merkel - godmother?). And SZ fell for it.

How did Volker Pispers say it? A man walks around a block, walking its four sides, and after every circle, steps into the same dog-shit at one corner - and wonders why it happened to him again.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:02:24 PM EST
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EU Slams Iran Stoning as Report Shows Spike in Executions | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 24.07.2008
The EU has rebuked Iran for the sentencing of nine people to death by stoning even as a new report by a European rights group shows the number of executions worldwide is on the rise.

The European Union said this week it was deeply worried about news that Iran had sentenced nine women and one man to death by stoning for separate adultery convictions in different Iranian cities.

A statement issued by France, which currently holds the EU presidency, on Thursday, July 24, reminded Tehran it had pledged to introduce a moratorium on stoning and urged it to abide by its commitments and international standards.

"The European Union calls on the Iranian government and parliament to abolish, in law and in practice, recourse to cruel and degrading punishment and, in particular the use of stoning, as a method of execution," the statement read.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:42:22 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Libya 'halts Swiss oil shipments'

Libya's state shipping company says it has halted oil shipments to Switzerland in protest at the brief arrest of leader Muammar Gaddafi's youngest son.

It threatened further action if the Swiss did not apologise for the arrest.

Geneva police held Hannibal Gaddafi for two days after he and his pregnant wife allegedly hit two of their staff.

The couple face charges of bodily harm, threatening behaviour and coercion. They have denied any wrongdoing over the alleged incident on 15 July.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:42:41 PM EST
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Gaddafi son sparks crisis with arrest at Swiss hotel - Africa, World - The Independent

Diplomatic relations between Switzerland and Libya were in crisis yesterday after Libya vowed "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" in retaliation for the Swiss authorities putting Hannibal, the youngest son of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, in jail for two days.

Libya announced it would halt fuel supplies to Switzerland and bar the country's ships from its ports in protest at what it called the "fabricated" and "illegitimate" charges against one of Col Gaddafi's seven sons.

Hannibal Gaddafi, 30, who has a record of run-ins with police across Europe, was arrested and jailed on 15 July after staff at the luxury Geneva hotel where he was staying alerted police to violent rows in his suite. Mr Gaddafi and his wife, Aline, who is nine months' pregnant, were arrested and charged with maltreating their domestic staff. He was held in custody and later released on bail; she was taken to hospital when she complained of feeling unwell.

Tripoli reacted furiously, with Mr Gaddafi's sister, Aisha, saying that Libya would respond on the basis of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:40:23 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | UK | Renewables mandate 'undermined'

The UK's business department, BERR, has been accused of trying to sabotage Europe's rules on renewable energy.

BERR is trying to change a line in an EU Directive which mandates that energy sources such as wind and wave should get priority connections to the grid.

Problems with getting electricity grid connection to windy sites is one of the biggest reasons for the UK failing on its current renewables targets.

Greenpeace says BERR has been caught "red-handed" undermining clean energy.

BERR's attempt to weaken the terms of the mandate was revealed in a leaked document.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:42:59 PM EST
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Alert system reports 'all-time high' in EU food warnings -EUobserver

The European Union experienced a record number of food safety warnings in 2007, the EU's health commissioner has revealed.

In its annual report, the EU's Rapid Alert System for Food and Feed (RASFF), released by commissioner Androulla Vassiliou on Wednesday (23 July), recorded 7,354 notifications of health risks from food or animal feed that were passed on to the European Commission in 2007 - an "all-time high", according to the commissioner, and up 13.5 percent on the previous year.

Fish products were the biggest offenders with some 21% alerts originating with seafood

In 2006, the total came to 6,840 such notifications.

However, Ms Vassiliou cautioned that an increase in warnings does not mean a decline in food safety.

"Does the increase of notifications signify that our food is getting less safe? No, it doesn't. It may well mean the contrary," she said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:44:18 PM EST
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EU states clash over penalties for hiring illegal migrants - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - EU member states remain divided over a European Commission proposal aimed at setting out EU-wide minimum rules on criminal sanctions against employers who hire undocumented immigrants from outside Europe.

A Thursday (23 July) debate by EU interior ministers revealed that it was mainly countries under the biggest pressure from clandestine migration - such as Italy and Spain - which had thrown their weight behind tougher penalties, including criminal ones.

The European Commission proposal on sanctions against employers who hire illegal non-EU immigrants dates back to May 2007

Italian interior minister Roberto Maroni - whose country has gained a negative reputation for having many illegal workers in the agriculture and construction sectors - suggested further beefing up criminal sanctions by targeting firms' "assets and wealth."

On the other hand, a group of seven countries - including Germany, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Poland, the Netherlands and Sweden - said the criminal measures would be unjustified.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:44:47 PM EST
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Bent banana and curved cucumber rules dropped by EU - Telegraph

A majority of EU member states, including Britain and Ireland, have voted to reform rules like EC Commission Regulation No 2257/94, which caused international ridicule by stating that all bananas must be "free of abnormal curvature" and at least 14 cm in length.

Imperfectly-shaped fruit and vegetables may now be back on supermarket shelves by 2009.

France, Italy, Spain and Greece opposed the reforms and were accused by officials of unfairly seeking to protect the interests of their farmers.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM EST
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These Eurosceptics media jackals have really no shame. Torygraph continues to permeate this myth created by The Sun.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:45:43 PM EST
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Commission Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas

EUR-Lex - 31994R2257 - EN

A. Minimum requirements

In all classes, subject to the special provisions for each class and the tolerances allowed, the bananas must be:

- green and unripened,

- intact,

- firm,

- sound; produce affected by rotting or deterioration such as to make it unfit for consumption is excluded,

- clean, practically free from visible foreign matter,

- practically free from pests,

- practically free from damage caused by pests,

- with the stalk intact, without bending, fungal damage or dessication,

- with pistils removed,

- free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the fingers,

- practically free from bruises,

- practically free from damage due to low temperatures,

- free from abnormal external moisture,

- free from any foreign smell and/or taste.

<...>

The minimum length permitted is 14 cm and the minimum grade permitted is 27 mm.

As an exception to the last paragraph, bananas produced in Madeira, the Azores, the Algarve, Crete and Lakonia which are less than 14 cm in length may be marketed in the Community but must be classified in Class II.

So, a detailed regulation on the quality of imported fruit permitted for sale, that might be found on any country's statute book. The point about the bend is a point about malformation.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:07:54 PM EST
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In an article on CNN, I found a claim that the bent-bananas meme goes back even further: two years before the Sun article, in 1992, at an unspecified press conference, an unspecified (but obviously British) media asked a silly question from EU (er, then EC) representatives, who answered in style.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:14:18 PM EST
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I am afraid I have a silly question of my own:  does this regulation mean that a 13 cm banana cannot be imported and/or sold within the EU?

Cynicism is intellectual treason.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 04:42:23 AM EST
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Come on, that's exactly the reflex the UK Europhobes had: how to look at this so it sounds ridiculous.

This is about laying down standards for producers. In particular:

EUR-Lex - 31994R2257 - EN

the purpose of these standards is to ensure that the market is supplied with products of uniform and satisfactory quality, in particular in the case of bananas harvested in the Community, for which efforts to improve quality should be made.

"In the Community" would cover the French overseas departments of Martinique and Guadeloupe, for instance. It's to be expected that the big producers, like Chiquita, Dole, etc, were already applying similar standards, simply because, in their industrial perspective, it is counter-productive to work with plantations that turn out heterogenous material in terms of packaging, transport, and final consumer acceptance.

Now, either you regulate in matters like these or you leave it to "the market". In any case, you'll note that all fruit (in the US and Europe, at least) is sold in carefully-measured sizes. It seems 1) industrial process; 2) marketability 3) regulations where they exist, concur to produce a similar result.

Are industrial process or free markets held up to ridicule for laying down measured standards?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 10:02:05 AM EST
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I was not trying to ridicule the regulation.  I was trying to understand what exactly it meant.

On that EUR-Lex page, I could not find references to penalties, rights to sell, etc.  So I am not clear just what effect such standards have in practice.

I guess they are are just "guidelines" then.

Cynicism is intellectual treason.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 02:12:35 AM EST
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by guidelines, i mean suggestions as to what standards producers should aspire to, not legal or regulatory requirements that have to be met for sale.

Cynicism is intellectual treason.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 02:20:39 AM EST
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It can work via the purchasers: if there is an EU standard, purchasers will simply make it a requirement ("want X amount of Y fulfilling EN 12366...").

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 03:57:35 AM EST
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Sorry if I assumed a certain degree of snark in your question!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 05:13:10 AM EST
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Predictable comments in the Torygraph, with a quick Godwin, lol:

Bent banana and curved cucumber rules dropped by EU - Telegraph

How long before the Nazi rulers in the EU turn their attention to banning imperfect people? We must rebel against every EU dirctive at every opportunity.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:12:36 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | France reveals defence closures

France is to close 83 of its military units in a major shake-up of its defence strategy, the French prime minister has said.

Speaking at a press conference, Francois Fillon said money saved would be poured back into the armed forces.

He also promised the government would help towns and villages cope with the economic fall-out when the local garrison moved on.

The changes are the biggest shake-up of defence policy in 14 years.

Mr Fillon announced that the military sites which face closure include regiments, logistic centres and air force bases.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:46:05 PM EST
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I'd pour it back into something else.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:46:58 PM EST
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Italian Lisbon vote builds pressure on Ireland - EUobserver

The Italian senate's unanimous support for the Lisbon treaty on Wednesday (23 July) should help force Ireland into a revote, Italian politicians have said, with Ireland looking increasingly likely to stand out as the only EU country not to ratify the text.

"If ratification takes place in the other 26 states, in the autumn we will be able to ask Ireland to find a solution which will not block the integration process and go to the European elections with the new rules foreseen in the Lisbon treaty," the senate's foreign affairs committee head, Lamberto Dini, indicated.

Rome: the founding EU treaty was signed in the Italian capital in 1957

"The challenge [of solving Europe's political problems] will begin on the day when the treaty enters into force and when the [EU] countries find out they can no longer rely on the right to veto by one of them," Italian foreign minister and former EU commissioner, Franco Frattini, added.

The remarks came as all 286 Italian senators who turned up for the Lisbon vote on Wednesday afternoon gave their backing to the text, with the Italian lower house also expected to approve the treaty by a large majority when it votes next week.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:49:56 PM EST
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European panel fails to endorse milk and meat from clones - International Herald Tribune

BRUSSELS: The European Food Safety Authority pulled back Thursday from giving milk and meat from cloned animals a clean bill of health, making it less likely that such products could reach store shelves in Europe anytime soon.

The final report from the authority, an independent advisory body, was less reassuring about safety than a draft in January. It comes after an earlier, negative assessment from a European ethics committee. The European Commission, which must decide whether to approve such products, will take both reports into account.

The findings also contrast with those of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, which concluded this year that such products were safe - although a voluntary moratorium on marketing them remains in place.

Europeans seem likely to take an even more cautious approach similar to that followed with genetically modified crops - which has led to years of trade friction with the United States. Surveys show resistance in Europe to biotechnology remains high, especially when it comes to food.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:03:58 PM EST
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Gotta love that headline.

The FDA says it's safe, so when the EU FSA doesn't reach the same conclusion, it "fails to endorse".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 04:02:40 AM EST
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BBC:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7522712.stm

There has also been a 10-fold increase in the number of incidents reported by people working in the French nuclear power industry, Criirad director Corinne Castanier said.
...
Electricite de France says Wednesday's incident at Tricastin - a huge nuclear complex near the town of Avignon - was not connected to the earlier uranium leak at the plant.
...
The rise in radiation prompted 97 EDF and maintenance subcontractors to be evacuated and sent for medical tests.

"Seventy of them show low traces of radioelements, below one 40th of the authorised limit," EDF said, adding that the incident would not affect people's health or the environment.
....
On Friday, energy company Areva said liquid containing slightly enriched uranium leaked at another of its sites in south-east France.

The same day, 15 EDF workers were exposed to what the company called "non-harmful" traces of radioactive elements at the Saint-Alban plant in the Alpine Isere region.

In Spain last May we heard about a leak that occurred in November 2007, Endesa had not reported it and had continued the plant visits scheduled for students!  There have been 2-3 more since then.  

Is there any country on earth that takes its regulation and supervision duty seriously?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:47:27 PM EST
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the fact that level 1 and even level 0 incidents make it to the front pages just shows one thing: journalists do not know what they are talking about, and have no sense of perspective.

It also shows that nuclear  IS taking "regulation and supervision" seriousy given that such minor incidents are being reported publicly. The hysterics are such that if such minor incidents are not reported, the industry is accused of hiding stuff, and if reported, it is accused of being unsecure.

A car crossing a red light would be a "level 0" incident if the driving industry had such a scale. This is just becoming ridiculous.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:23:02 PM EST
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A car crossing a red light would be a "level 0" incident if the driving industry had such a scale.

And a car refusing to stop for a pedestrian on a crossing would perhaps be "Level 1" ? And what would be your attitude to that? ;)

More seriously, though you may be right about journalists, public reporting of incidents is meaningless unless it is publicly reported. A list of incidents on a web page you have to search for, and an absolutely derisory Public Information Centre effort by the French Nuclear Security Authority (please take a serious look, if you can stop laughing, at the presentation on the Authority's site of the Public Information Centre and the documentation made available to the public (not a single link!!!).)

So the journalists may be ignorant (not surprising) but a genuine effort by the authorities to inform transparently is not there. In the case of nuclear, that is a serious matter precisely because nuclear is scary.

So I'd say they get the reporting they deserve.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:19:51 AM EST
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And a car refusing to stop for a pedestrian on a crossing would perhaps be "Level 1" ? And what would be your attitude to that? ;)

Well, if you come to the capital of a EU Member this August for the meet-up, you'll see that Level 1 incidents are pretty common here. Newspapers wouldn't have space left to report on all the corruption scandals if they were discussing the driving incidents :)
by Sargon on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:14:53 AM EST
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Even "level 2" accidents rarely get reported, unless the perpetrator is somebody like Robert Novak
Syndicated political columnist and television pundit Robert D. Novak was issued a $50 traffic citation yesterday after he struck and slightly injured a pedestrian while driving his sports car in downtown Washington, police said.
Novak, who was on his way to work when the incident occurred, said the bicyclist was "shouting at me that I couldn't just hit people and drive away. But I didn't know I'd hit him. I really didn't have any idea it happened until they flagged me down and told me."
Bono, 47, a partner at Harkins Cunningham law firm, said: "I can tell you what I saw. I was on K Street on my bicycle, and what I saw was a guy get hit by a black Corvette convertible. I see the guy go up on the hood, up on the windshield." As the Corvette turned right from 18th Street onto the service road beside K, Bono said, "the guy rolled off the hood and landed on the street."
For those of you not into U.S. right-wing TV personalities, Novak is the one who outed Valerie Plame. Other accounts claim that the pedestrian was more seriously injured.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:49:31 AM EST
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They let Novak out of the old folks' home?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:12:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Turns out he may really have not realized that he hit someone. He's just been diagnosed with a brain tumor.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 06:37:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I wish I could come and see this, but won't be able to. However, in another European capital with a name beginning with P, where drivers also commonly commit this  misdemeanour, a certain M. JaP has his own way of dealing with them...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:10:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Did he say something having his car windows broken?  Almost makes ya believe in karma....  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:49:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
SPECIAL FOCUS - Obama in Berlin
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:34:30 PM EST
AMERICAblog News| A great nation deserves the truth
Remarks of Senator Barack Obama (as prepared for delivery)
"A World that Stands as One"
July 24th, 2008
Berlin, Germany

Thank you to the citizens of Berlin and to the people of Germany. Let me thank Chancellor Merkel and Foreign Minister Steinmeier for welcoming me earlier today. Thank you Mayor Wowereit, the Berlin Senate, the police, and most of all thank you for this welcome.

I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen - a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.

I know that I don't look like the Americans who've previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable. My mother was born in the heartland of America, but my father grew up herding goats in Kenya. His father - my grandfather - was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.

At the height of the Cold War, my father decided, like so many others in the forgotten corners of the world, that his yearning - his dream - required the freedom and opportunity promised by the West. And so he wrote letter after letter to universities all across America until somebody, somewhere answered his prayer for a better life.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:36:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
'We saved your ass - twice!'

'Terrorists nukular terrorists Al Qaeda terrorists mushroom cloud over Paris - boo!'

'Ich bin eine speechmaker'

Plus some stuff about global warming and things that might actually matter.

Seems like a misfire to me. It's too self-consciously faux-Kennedy, and I don't think he quite has the gravitas to make it stick.

What does Germany think?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:27:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
More to the point: what does the US think the Germans (and the rest of the world) think of it?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:47:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, if you read the diaries on dKos, Germany and the world has completely forgotten the last 8 Bush years. Everything is peaches and creme again.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:50:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
From Morgenpost:

His Republican opponent John McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham followed Obama's words in "Schmidt's Fudge Haus" in Columbus (Ohio).
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:56:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh god that's so poor, it makes them look like they've desperately gone out looking for something, anything German to counteract todays Obamafest and done an absolutely half-assed job of it.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:03:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Counter-protester in Berlin:



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:31:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe in reality he was paid by the Obama campaign?... Or is he an old communist the Left Party sent on a double-cross mission?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It looks like that's exactly what they did do. For real.

Has McCain HQ been infiltrated by Obama moles? Is McCain just so plain stupid and deaf that he didn't realise this would be top-rank comedy?

Is The Onion running Campaign McCain?

So many questions. So much chortling and fun yet to happen before we have answers.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:39:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Obama campaign should put it out as a poster with the words "Would you want someone this inept in charge of Neuclear weapons" Or "Giving you someone who can make Bush look like a genius"

its as if its a bad Hollywood comedy and someones about to come in and say "from this point things can only get better". and from here on the disadvantaged loser will go on to win.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:47:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That would be the ultimate black comedy punchline.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:49:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm going to regret this one.  I'm inserting it here, late in the game, with the hope that it goes unnoticed.  Just want it on record.  Here we go.

McCain et al WANT TO LOSE!  (Oh shit, NOW WHAT?!)

That's right.  The fix is in.  The neofascists have done enough damage to the US/world, they have accumulated enough resources, everything is in place for a DEPRESSION  that will make the '20s/'30s look like the good old days.  The Dems will get blamed for gas/food shartages in the US, Americans will be at each others' throats just to survive, and the neofascists will remind us of those good old Bush days (like you hear bullshit about the good old days of Clinton ... NONSENSE!  I was there!) and we get a world fascist authoritarian state.

That's what's comin' kids.  I said it first, here at ET.  I hope I'm wrong; saying "I told you so" in three years (probably not possible; the internet will be co-opted for the cause; communications will be MUCH more restricted) won't feel good (with MY mouth, I'll already be hauled away).

Hopefully metavision will post a 4 and that's it.  

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:26:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Done... with trembling pulse and tachycardia...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:43:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bless you (and I'm not religious.)

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:05:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't think you're going to go unnoticed....

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:03:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh shit.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:06:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm reasonably convinced that the same was attempted in the UK immediately after Thatcher with John Major. unfortunately for them the plan didn't work, and their loser managed somehow to actually win. so got left holding the baby when the results of their mismanagement came home to roost.

Having Obama a week into his presidency do a surprise TV presentation where he said that the Reps have robbed everyone blind and concealed the fact. the economies screwed, and due to their torturing foreign nationals theres a shortage goodwill left to help the USA out of its current financial predicament. then roll out a New New Deal to deal with the problem. Place the blame early and with a big boot before the Media gets to do it to him might just be the best plan.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:24:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And what do WE do to get this rosy scenario to unfold?  Do we sit by and pray that it happens?  I already told metavision I'm not a God-freak.  Not into that praying crap.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:30:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Voodoo or Sacrifice I think.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:36:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm the engineer/scientist type.  Get back to me when you get the how-to manual together.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:39:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
See 2010 Was Not A Good Year To Be President (freerepublic.com alert!)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 09:54:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
why didn't i read the Alert before i clicked?!

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:27:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OK, read most of it.  Started off strong and soon became the typical Republican bullshit line.  And I read it, why?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 06:36:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
a comment in the Guardian:

Obama urges global fight against terror - Europe, World - The Independent

Uh, uh, uhbama is no David Hasselhoff.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:55:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here is an interesting comment from a German who was at the speech in Berlin - found in the Independent comment section.

Obama urges global fight against terror - Europe, World - The Independent

I just came back from hearing Obama speak near the Victory column here in Berlin. The german crowd was polite, but not enthusiastic. Obama indirectly asked for more german involvment in Afganistan which met with silence. Also his going on about the airlift during the cold-war was a bit much seeing as the cold-war was as much a american made problem as it was a soviet one. This going on about the wall was also a bit much as he was not critical about the newest wall of exclusion namely the walls that the isreallis are builiding about which he said nothing. He mentioned getting rid of all atomic weapons - this after the US government is supporting a deal leading to increased Indian access to nuclear fuel could accelerate the atomic arms race with Pakistan. What the people in Berlin came to hear and expect was an apology from a high US official for the last years of the stupid and criminal Bush gang. What it got instead was a milk-toast speach saying nothing.

Complain about this comment

Posted by Wim from Berlin | 24.07.08, 20:57 GMT

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:01:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Unfortunately, media as usual seems to ignore the real public reaction and spins it the Atlanticist way. And the cheerleaders are: former Bavarian PM Stoiber, and the foreign policy experts of noth big parties.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:10:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Lol.  Well, I'm not sure if reality is reflected more by the comments section of the Independent or by the photos I'm looking at.  Though another comment there was hilarious: "Uh, uh, uhbama is no David Hasselhoff. "

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:13:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You can't see from photos (1) during what section of the speech they were made, (2) if the pictured are Americans or Germans. And we have two reports from the ground already.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:17:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's a lot closer to the reaction I would have expected.

This, on the other hand, is just plain insane.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:12:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You love us!  You really love us!  Lol.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:15:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama definitely got the photo-op he wanted.

I wonder if McCain's minions will use another photo-op of his to mobilise the evangelical base: Obama's meeting with Berlin's openly gay major.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:22:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Was it just me checking to see if his watch was still there in the later pictures?
by Sassafras on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:42:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
? The watch of whom? Have I missed some story again?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:36:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Remember when George Bush had his watch stolen?

The picture of Obama's hand in the crowd reminded me of that.

But I think it is just me  ;)

by Sassafras on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:10:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh, LOL! I missed that video with the wath (though I do remember that Bush visit to Albania).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 03:55:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh THANK YOU GUYS for not being crazy.

The nationalism over there is scaring me.  Am I the only one who has a problem with adulation of a perceived "strong leader"?  I mean, are these people BLIND?  Don't they see what they're admiring?

Waving flags... chanting... crowds... ohhh, hypnotic, yes, Barack, we BELIEVE!

It's scary as hell.

Thank you guys, again, for seeing it for what it is instead of being mindless morons.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:51:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I am shocked and a bit horrified by the dKos thread tbg posted above.  Insane seems an apt description; not least the comments about beginning to wear flag pins again.  I suppose it's one thing to wear a pin, but another to speak in tones simply delirious.

Such frenzy seems telling about the state of the amurkan subconscious.  and these are the "good guys."

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:03:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Contributors here tend to be better informed and experienced in politics and economics than the run-of-the-mill Kos commenter.

That sound egotistical, and it is, but it also happens to be true.

Obama is a typical demagogue.  He has decent manipulative skills, organizational ability, party connections, and sufficient financial backing to win the presidency.  Listening to what he says, rather than some Pink Lollipop version, it becomes clear he isn't any big change from George:

  •  All Murica, all the time, and if you don't like it we'll kill you.

  •  Let's create a police state

  •  Rah, Rah predatory economic policies

Obviously there are differences as well but those, such as National Health Care, tend to come from a rejection of Conservative ideological positions in order to pacify the populace with Bread, Circuses, and Flu Shots.  ;-)

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 12:05:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
At last SPIEGEL put up a more critical analysis of the speech and the reaction.

Obamas Berliner Rede: Völker der Welt, schaut auf mich Obama's Berlin speech: peoples of the world, looks at me
Von Gregor Peter SchmitzBy Gregor Peter Schmitz
Berlin erlebte den Charismatiker Barack Obama in seiner ganzen Wandlungsfähigkeit: zurückhaltend, integrierend, kämpferisch, fordernd. Doch am Ende galt die Botschaft von der Siegessäule allein seiner Heimat. Berlin experienced the charismatician Barack Obama in all his adaptability: cautious, inclusive, pugnacious, demanding. But in the end, the message from the Victory Column was deemed for his home[land] alone.

It analyses the appearance of "four Obamas" - the restrained Obama, the Transatlantic Bridge-building Obama, the crafty campaigner Obama, and the save-the-world rhetoric Obama.

The article does mention the differential applause: strongest when saying things that "sentences that are actually totally self-evident", when Obama says Americans reject torture, when global warming is mentioned.

At the end, we get an explanation for the critical tone and the intro sentence I quoted in bilingual column above: all of the 40 yournalists invited after the speech were Americans.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:56:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I wrote to them and thanked them for that piece.

Very snarky, perceptive, and dead-on right.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:52:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Merkel to Emphasize German Military Limits During Obama Visit | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 24.07.2008
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she is looking forward to her meeting with US presidential hopeful Barack Obama on Thursday but will resist any pressure to send more troops to Afghanistan.

In a press conference that ran over an hour a day before the Thursday, July 24, meeting with the presumed US Democratic Party's presidential candidate, Merkel responded to numerous questions about Obama as anticipation mounted for the senator's arrival in Berlin.

 

Tens of thousands of spectators were expected to attend his speech Thursday afternoon at the Victory Column in central Berlin.

 

While Berlin was in Obama fever ahead of the visit, political commentators stressed that the main aim of the visit was to boost the senator's fortunes in the US presidential race.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:38:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama Meets Merkel, Steinmeier in Berlin Ahead of Major Speech | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 24.07.2008
Obamania took over Berlin Thursday as the US presidential hopeful came to the German capital for meetings with Chancellor Merkel and Foreign Minister Steinmeier. But his main appointment was scheduled for early evening.

US presidential hopeful Barack Obama met German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin on Thursday for talks on key international issues.

  

German government spokesman Ulrich Wilhelm described the talks as "very open and in depth," adding they were held in a good atmosphere.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:39:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Leading article: Adulation needs to be tempered with realism - Leading Articles, Opinion - The Independent

The Democratic candidate for US President embarks today on the second half of a foreign tour designed with two objectives in mind: to convince US voters that he is no innocent abroad and to show his foreign hosts how much more amenable an ally he would be than either George Bush or John McCain. Between now and Saturday, Barack Obama will find out whether the same magic that won him his party's nomination can work for him in Berlin, Paris and London as well.

In a well-judged speech before he left the US, Mr Obama pressed all the right buttons for this second, European, section of his journey. He extolled George Marshall and the plan that helped rebuild Europe after the Second World War. He spoke of the need to listen and show respect; he praised the European preference for patient negotiation over force, and he pledged himself to cooperative efforts to combat climate change and to reform - not disband - the United Nations. The contrast with George Bush, especially the first-term George Bush, could hardly have been greater.

It is no exaggeration to say that relations with Europe have been among the most egregious, and most avoidable, failures of Mr Bush's presidency. It was not just his hubris over Iraq - although that war served to reinforce European hostility. It was his early US-centrism, his woeful inexperience of abroad, and his apparent lack of interest in how other people perceived the world. The gung-ho language and manners, as he has recently come close to acknowledging, only made matters worse.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:45:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Americas | Obama looks to Europe as partner

White House hopeful Barack Obama has told Berliners the US and Europe have drifted apart and it is time for them to come together again.

"If we're honest... we know that sometimes, on both sides of the Atlantic, we have drifted apart and forgotten our shared destiny," he said.

Thousands of people turned out to hear him make the only public speech of his current world tour.

His words were broadcast live in Germany, where he is a popular figure.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:46:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
More like:

Obama looks to Europe to supplement his army.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:53:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama Talks of Building Bridges, Dismantling Barriers in Berlin | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 24.07.2008
No nation can face global challenges such as terrorism and climate change alone, Barack Obama told a cheering crowd of some 100,000 in Berlin Thursday, July 24, calling for a new partnership between the US and Europe.

In front of a crowd that Berlin police estimated to be as large as 100,000, Obama acknowledged differences between America and Europe, adding that "no doubt there will be differences in the future.

 

"But the burdens of global citizenship bind us together," he said, speaking under the central Berlin landmark of the Victory Column facing towards the Brandenburg Gate.

 

Partnership among nations was not a choice but the only way to protect the security of Europe and the US, the Democratic Party presidential hopeful said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:46:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama Berlin Speech: US Foreign Service Workers Instructed Not To Attend

Although it appears most of Berlin is heading to Obama's speech today, US Foreign Service personnel will be banned from the event. And they are not happy. The American Foreign Service Association, a union of Foreign Service workers are opposing the rule. Read more from The Washington Post. And watch the speech live here.

The U.S. Embassy in Berlin has instructed Foreign Service personnel stationed there not to attend Sen. Barack Obama's public rally today, which the State Department this week labeled a "partisan political activity" prohibited under its regulations for those serving overseas.

Government employees serving in the United States are permitted to attend such events under the Hatch Act, which bars other partisan activity, such as contributing money or working in behalf of a candidate...

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Barack Obama admits Europe and America view each other with suspicion - Telegraph
Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for US president, called for a major rapprochement between Europe and America in his landmark foreign policy speech in Berlin.

Speaking before thousands of spectators in central Berlin, he admitted that Europe and America had come to view each other with suspicion and even with derision.

"In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right, has become all too common," he said.

"In America, there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe's role in our security and our future".

But he said that "now is time to build new bridges across the globe" with America learning from Germany's environmental leadership, and Germany contributing more to American-led NATO efforts in Afghanistan.

The speech, which has long been trailed as a defining moment of senator Obama's campaign to become US president, was given outside before a host of mostly admiring spectators.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:48:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Eyewitness: Barack Obama rides carnival mood - Times Online

Before the Obama speech, the front cover of Stern magazine asked whether Obama was coming as a Messiah or as a seducer - there was not much of either in evidence tonight.

The crowd of around 120,000 was in carnival mood.

Girls dyed their hair red-white-and blue, people hung from the lampposts first installed by Nazi architect Albert Speer; there were jugglers; some dancing on the fringes. Big television screens were erected with Obama, dwarfed by the Victory Column, impossibly distant for most.

For the majority of the young audience, it was familiar terrain, mimicking the sunny days of the 2006 World Cup.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:48:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
lampposts first installed by Nazi architect Albert Speer

Huh!? Does this idiot think there was no public lighting in Berlin before the Nazis?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:25:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Link to DoDo's comment in the OT.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:52:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re-embedding of the best photo.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:17:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't you know that bears are merciless killing machines?

I mean this one clearly ate Mick Jagger, look at the lips.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama gets pop star reception in Germany - International Herald Tribune

BERLIN: Senator Barack Obama stood before a sprawling sea of people here Thursday evening and issued a trans-Atlantic call for cooperation, imploring America and Europe to bridge differences and rekindle old alliances to restore global stability and security and join forces to confront existing and unforeseen threats.

"If we're honest with each other, we know that sometimes, on both sides of the Atlantic, we have drifted apart and forgotten our shared destiny," Obama said. "In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right, has become all too common. In America, there are voices that deride and deny the importance of Europe's role in our security and our future."

Pausing for a moment, he added: "Both views miss the truth."

Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee who is on a weeklong international tour, delivered his address at the base of Victory Column in Tiegarten Park.

He looked out toward the Brandenburg Gate, where President Ronald Reagan offered his historic remarks about ending the Cold War, and spoke to crowd that the German police estimated at 200,000 people.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:09:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just what caught my eye most is quoted above:

"In Europe, the view that America is part of what has gone wrong in our world, rather than a force to help make it right, has become all too common.

And all too justified, sez I. But Obama the High Priest of The Belief in America surely doesn't believe that.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:10:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Both views miss the truth."

He wasn't endorsing that view!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:14:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
!? That's what I said!

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:20:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's not clear what you were saying.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:23:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama the High Priest of The Belief in America surely doesn't believe - as opposed to mywself - that the view now common in Europe that America is part of the problem rather than the solution is justified.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:27:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(Where the "High Priest of The Belief in America" was inspired by other parts of the speech.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:29:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Why should he?  I don't.  And no thinking person should.  Because, frankly, you can't afford for America NOT to be part of the solution.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:35:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's the usual protection racket - 'Nice Europe you have here - be a shame if a mushroom cloud appeared over it.'

Please. When you peel away the ponies and the kids with candies, that's what Obama was saying. He may have meant it in the nicest possible not-at-all-evil way. But even so - that's what he said.

Therefore - not sold.

The reality was that Obama was a total dweeb today. He stood up in front of hundreds of thousands of Europeans and built a speech around something that happened sixty years ago to an audience whose parents weren't even born then.

WTF was he thinking? Does he not realise how much Europe has changed? Or how much has happened here? Or how this really isn't the Cold War any more, no matter how many times he says 'nuclear' and 'atom'?

When he wants to talk to a 21st century Europe, we'll listen. But this was just retread posturing for the sake of the crowds back home - good 'ole Imperial condescension towards a colony which is unruly, and could one day turn more rebellious than anyone is expecting.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:15:07 PM EST
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Well, Obama had to speak about something, and speaking too concrete about issues is not possible without either annoy Americans or making really strange comments.

He has spoken about nuclear disarmement, fine (I think he intents with that as well to address the middle east). But in a country which has no nuclear weapons, the reasonable thing would have been to announce one sided disarment to lets say the level of France or UK, so to be at least not the country with the most weapons of all. This would likely have triggered comments in the US, that he weakens US defence, while Russia or whoever remains nuclear overpowered.

He named climate change, but his plan foresees 80% reduction to 2050, while the German plan foresees as well 80% reduction compared to 1990. So apart from the changes in population size, in 2050 the US, as the country with the higher potential for renewable energies, would still emit nearly 2 times the amount of C02 per capita than the host country. But again in the US he would probably be called a destroyer of the US industry, if he would take tougher goals.

He said, 'we Americans are against torture'. There is a charge against some CIA agents, which have kidnapped Khalid Al Masri. Dependently on how narrow or wide you define the word torture, this man was tortured. He needs help from a psychotherapist. He could have annouced, that he will submit those people to the court or, if Americans prefer that, negotiating these charges on an American court. Ok, he couldn't because he is not yet president, but he could have let slip a sentence, that this being against torture may have retroactive consequences in some form.
But then you can find already know find on youtube 'hardball' discussions, where his opponents accuse Obama more or less he would have insulted America by admitting it has been 'unperfect' and not always met expectations. So essentially a number of people in the US takes it as unpatriotic, if an American says, the US may (after all everybody sometimes falls short of expectations) not be the greatest country in the world.

Speaking about the cold war, he still could get cheers, without getting too bad press at home.
Most people voting in this year, had already in 2004 the right to vote, and a majority decided for GWB. Is it reasonable to expect from that electorate to appreciate political views held by mainstream Europeans? Don't judge Obama by the standards you would apply to European leaders. Americans just come from another planet back to earth and have to get used to earth behaviour, which takes a time.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:16:12 PM EST
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Bernhard on MoA:

Obama in Berlin - Moon of Alabama

So why is this U.S. guy campaigning in my home country?

The Turkish prime minister was here in February. He rented a soccer stadium in a western industrial city. There he gave a talk to some of the 1.8 million Turks living here. That was fine with me.

But there are less than 100,000 U.S. people in my country and some candidate, not even a formal one yet,  from across the pond makes a big show at one of the premier historic places in our capital?

Why is this in our interest?

Said candidate by the way is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs. Since he got that job in January 2007 he held no policy hearing and never visted Europe. His real interests seem to be elsewhere.

There are also some interesting comments.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:31:18 PM EST
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Is it really only 100.000? Or is he confusing expats with Americans (which also includes the soldiers stationed there)?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:19:31 PM EST
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"But there are less than 100,000 U.S. people in my country."

Well, there were twice as many people who showed up to see him today!  If you don't want the circus to come to town, don't go to the circus when it comes to town!  Lol.  Unbelievable.

Look, I am no true believer in Obama.  I don't think he's inherently good or bad.  But don't complain when America ignores Europe and then complain when America pays attention to Europe.  It makes you come across as chronic complainers and nothing more.  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:20:23 PM EST
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I think his gripe is with the unquestioning and baseless love for Obama shown by these 100,000 and the political-media elite.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:23:07 PM EST
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When Americans love Obama it is unquestioning and baseless.  When ordinary Germans love Obama it is... what?  Evil Americans have pressured Germans and given them no other choice but to stand in a crowd of 200 fawning fans against their will?  Whatever.  A stunning number Germans did think Obama's visit was in their interests.  Y'all are just embarrassed because now YOU are acting like Americans, drooling over Obama.  Sorry.  It's terribly funny from over here!


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:29:38 PM EST
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When Americans love Obama it is unquestioning and baseless.

I don't see how you could have read my sentence being about Americans.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:32:18 PM EST
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"But there are less than 100,000 U.S. people in my country"

US people are Americans, correct?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:37:05 PM EST
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Oh, that. It seems something is in the line between us today :-) Sloppy reading on my part: I was thinking of the crowd in Berlin, and the media-reported number of 100,000, now I see you mentioned the crowd number as "twice as many".

Back to Benhard's post: the key sentence is "Why is this in our interest?", which I see he has re-written into the even more explicit "How is this in our, German, interest?" in the meantime.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:48:26 PM EST
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If you have read some recent comments of McCain, he seems to be on the verve of mental illness.

"How is this in our, German, interest?"
It is in our interest, that McCain isn't elected president of the US, because of his assumed greater international experience. It is kind of deceiving, to cheer for a lesser evil, but if it is the much lesser evil, I would say it is allowed.
In the beginning I wasn't sure how bad McCain would really be, but the longer the campaign, the more I have the impression, McCain could be a desaster, not only for the USA, but for the world.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:48:27 PM EST
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where's the substance?

We know Europeans are susceptible to spin too: we elected Sarkozy and Berlusconi. Still, spin is spin. And Bush is still not impeached.

The point is that electing Obama does not solve any problems I agree that it stops making them worse, and maybe that's the best one can hope. But the problems are still going to be there. And some WILL be worse: 150,000 soldiers in Afghanistan, yey!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:45:52 PM EST
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I get what you are saying and largely agree.  But electing Obama will solve some problems.  Just not all of them, and just not overnight.  

Or rather, there are problems.  In order for them to be solved, America has to be part of the solution.  America isn't going to be part of the solution until Obama is in office.  Who knows if the problems will be solved.  But the first step to solving them is getting Bush and his lackey McCain out of the damn room so the adults can talk.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:03:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm reasonably positive about Obama being the end of "being part of the problem"; I just have no clue about his being part of the solution.

I like Van jones' take that we should not too much on one individual but should count on ourselves.

I'm part of the solution too.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:18:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm reasonably positive about Obama being the end of "being part of the problem"; I just have no clue about his being part of the solution.

I'm really not convinced of this at all.

First, I think that Obama is going to fold like a chair if he is elected.

Second, I think that if you look at his economic advisers, he's full of half ass solutions that aren't going to work.

Voting for Obama is like taking an aspirin for cancer.  It might make you feel better, but it's not going to do a think about the disease that's killing you.

And America's got economic cancer, and it's going to take tougher medicine than Obama's serving up to deal with this.

Domestically, he does nothing to address the healthcare crisis, and he's basically Clintonian in his economic orientation.

As for globalization, he's bought into the market will make everything better talk.  When the truth is that until neo-liberal globalization is backed up by something like the (albeit very basic) social contract offered in the acquis communitaire the net effect of further globalization is going tio be the erosion of existing rules and the unleashing of naked capitalism.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:24:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Being critical of Obama today makes you anti-American (you know, of the "you're never happy woth anything we do" kind) so I was just trying to be somewhat positive.

Stopping digging is a good thing, but when you're in such a deep hole, I agree it's not quite enough. I guess we'll all have t osee what comes next (actually, I'm curious as to what will come before the election, on the energy and economic fronts: we're in a lull this week, but I don't expect things to last like this for very long).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 12:58:28 AM EST
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Well color me anti-American, amigo.

I have never found you to be less than polite.

I think that Obama is go to lose.  This was a golden opportunity for change, and the chattering classes got fixated on Iraq.  It's as though for many of them (and I'm sure that you met this contingent at the big orange place) that there was no Left before the Iraq War.

At the very least, Obama's electoral collapse will be unique in that he will demonstrate an entirely new way to lose, by picking up states like Virginia and Colorado, in which economic issues like trade and healthcare matter less politically than social issues. And losing a gigantic swath of the Midwest (Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania) where factory jobs have gone poof.

The first block of states is worth about a third of the electoral votes of the latter group.

Again, on the positive side, it will be an opportunity for European broadcasters to try to explain what the Electoral College is.

C'est la vie.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:25:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Voting for Obama is like taking an aspirin for cancer.  

That's a keeper. (To be applied not just for Obama.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 05:40:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
And Bush is still not impeached.

First hearings on impeachment start in about 7 hours. You can watch them live. Unfortunately, it's actually a non-impeachment impeachment hearing, and Conyers has apparently been threatening to shut it down if witnesses accuse Bush of an impeachable offense. From Indybay

Apparently the rules of Congress are designed to allow impeachable offenses to be discussed only in impeachment hearings. Apparently this didn't occur to Chairman Conyers when he decided to hold a non-impeachment impeachment hearing. As a result, his hearing may be quickly shut down, and he will have a choice of holding a real impeachment hearing, resigning, or dropping the pretense that he intends to resist Cheney and Bush in any way whatsoever.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 03:48:31 AM EST
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I'm quoting Bernhard's post-speech comment in full:

M of A - Obama in Berlin

Speech is over:

First mistake: announced for 7pm and started at 7:20pm. In Germany you are supposed to come punctual or come not at all.

Otherwise: Well written speech, good orator.

About 70,000 people max. A quarter of them U.S. folks.

Started with good touch on the Berlin wall and the 1948 air lift to walls in the rest of the world.

Said 9/11 terrorists trained in Hamburg, Kandahar and Karachi?
Karachi??? Pakistan, watch out! And what about the flight training they got in the U.S.?

That and other "war of terror" talk by Obama did get sparse applause.
Other talk about "U.S. bases" in Germany and around the world also.
Talk about Afghanistan - applause also very low.

Obama called for a "world without nuclear weapons" - BIG applause.
Common effort against climate change - BIG applause.

Some phrases that sound wired for Germans:

"sacrifice"
"struggle for freedom"
"remake the world"

These are empty phrases for Germans. Unlike in the U.S. there is no positive associations with these.

Most of the German MSM won't emphasize these (though I already saw an article noting the Pakistan thing).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:58:24 PM EST
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I have a short post over on the Atlantic Review:

Obama Keeps it Global - Atlantic Review - Analysis of Transatlantic Relations and U.S. Foreign Policy

One of the first things I picked up in the audience after Obama's speech was 'fast genau eine halbe Stunde' (almost exactly half an hour). The audience was keeping time. After many had waited for two hours or longer, they were perhaps expecting more? Certainly, it took some time to get the people around me to warm up beyond 'polite applause'. About halfway in some big applause lines came on seeking a nuclear free world, taking responsibility to fight climate change and ending the war in Iraq. Of those, only putting the idea of a nuclear free world in the spotlight might be unexpected.

For my part, I don't think that the Afghanistan lines got no applause at all. There was a larger applause than at quite a few other, previous lines. But we might have to review the youtubes to answer this critical (!) question.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 08:10:38 PM EST
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Obama rallies Europe for war on terror - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama urged Europe and a "strong EU" to stand by the US in a war on extremism in Afghanistan, the Middle East and Africa, in a poetic speech delivered to 200,000 people in Berlin's Tiergarten Park on Thursday (24 July) evening.

"We must defeat terror and dry up the well of extremism that supports it. This threat is real and we cannot shrink from our responsibility to combat it," he told the huge crowd. "We can...dismantle the networks that have struck in Madrid and Amman, in London and Bali, in Washington and New York."

Obama (l) greets an adoring crowd in Berlin

Speaking at times of a new "global" security "partnership" that would involve Russia, Mr Obama focused on a traditional Atlanticist model in which the US and Europe use a mixture of warfare, diplomacy and aid to bring democracy and a market economy to strategic regions.

"America has no better partner than Europe," he said, adding "we need a strong European Union that deepens the security and prosperity of this continent, while extending a hand abroad," and calling NATO "the greatest alliance ever formed to defend our common security."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 04:17:21 AM EST
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Speaking at times of a new "global" security "partnership" that would involve Russia, Mr Obama focused on a traditional Atlanticist model in which the US and Europe use a mixture of warfare, diplomacy and aid to bring democracy and a market economy to strategic regions.

Because that's just what "we've" always done.

What fucking common security for what "us"?

Oh well, hopefully he's just standard issue moderately evil US President rather than crazy cartoon villain evil US President. Which would make him an improvement.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 04:36:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:34:48 PM EST
Militants plan to destroy Nigeria's oil pipelines -DAWN - International; July 24, 2008
LAGOS, July 23: The main militant group in Nigeria's oil-producing Niger Delta said on Wednesday it would attack major oil pipelines in the next 30 days to prove it had not received payment from the government to end its campaign.

The head of the state-run oil firm NNPC was quoted in Nigerian newspapers on Wednesday as saying the company had paid militant groups $12 million to protect facilities including the Chanomi creek pipeline in Delta state.

The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND), whose attacks have cut Nigeria's oil output by around a fifth since early 2006, said the money had gone to criminal gangs and that genuine "freedom fighters" could not be bought off.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:36:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
SignOnSanDiego.com > News > World -- Castro cryptic on Russian bomber report
HAVANA - Ailing Fidel Castro said Wednesday that Cuba's president was right to adopt a "dignified silence" over a Moscow newspaper report that Russia may send nuclear bombers to the island, and said Cuba doesn't owe any explanation to Washington about the story.

In a brief, cryptic essay posted on a government Web site Wednesday night, the 81-year-old former president neither confirmed nor denied the Monday report in Izvestia newspaper.
Moscow is angry about U.S. plans for missile-defense sites in eastern Europe and Izvestia cited a "highly placed" military aviation source as saying, "While they are deploying the anti-missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, our long-range strategic aircraft already will be landing in Cuba." Izvestia said this apparently refers to long-range nuclear-capable bombers.


by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:37:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Report: Russia Mulls Reopening Radar Station in Cuba | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 24.07.2008
Russian officials Russian military experts are recommending reactivating a radar facility on Cuba in response to US plans for a missile defense shield based in the Czech Republic and Poland, according to news reports.

Alexander Pikayev of the Institute for World Economic Sciences was quoted by the RIA Novosti news agency as saying a facility closed down in 2001 in Lourdes, Cuba, could be put back into service.

 

The reported proposal follows a warning Tuesday by a top US Air Force general that the deployment of Russian bombers to Cuba would cross a "red line" and the United States should urge its former Cold War foe against taking the step.

 

Russian media had earlier reported the military was also weighing whether to reinstate a Cold War practice of resuming bomber flights to Cuba or deploying them there.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:38:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
    

US concerned at possible Russian military presence in Venezuela  - RosBusinessConsulting - News Online

     RBC, 24.07.2008, Moscow 12:59:50.Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's proposal that Russia set up a military base in Venezuela, combined with information released this week on the possible deployment of Russian bombers in Cuba, may provoke an overly negative reaction from the US, the RBC Daily newspaper reported today. Washington may fail to understand the intricacies of Moscow's diplomatic game, in which Russia seeks to receive an additional trump card in an attempt to decide in its favor the issue of the deployment of US missile shield elements in Eastern Europe.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:08:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This is the way the game is played: You make my life miserable and I'll make your life miserable.

The Neo-Cons and other fools currently running US foreign policy think they can do anything they want, when they want, without repercussions or 'emergent' counter-actions.  

Russia is providing a Learning Experience.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:46:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Russia is providing a Learning Experience.

Oh, that always ends well...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:48:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, not really but who started this little round?

Russia has been saying from the git-go if the US put anti-missile batteries in Eastern or Central Europe there would be consequences.  

Rice, et.al. told them to go play with it.

Now they are showing what they can do.  Restocking the air bases in Cuba, and possibly putting a military presence in Venezuela, is exactly the reaction predictable: a Tit-for-Tat strategy under Two Player Game Theory.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:03:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, totally agree.  Though there is some question as to how serious the new Cuban missile crisis threat or Venezuelan story is (I've read Chavez brought it up, but Russia's not seriously considering it...)

That said, you don't want Russia teaching you a lesson. No fun.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:09:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Gwynne Dyer: Obama's tricky balancing act on tough foreign policies - 24 Jul 2008 - NZ Herald: World / International News

Barack Obama wants three things out of his tour of the Middle East and Europe. He wants people everywhere to think that he has the answers for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He wants Jewish Americans to believe that he is Israel's unquestioning supporter. And he wants Americans to notice that Europeans would vote for him by a five-to-one majority, if they could vote in US elections.

Americans will certainly notice that, although it will not do him much good among the key group of American voters whose support would make an Obama victory next November a dead certainty - the white poor in decaying rust-belt towns who "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them ... as a way to explain their frustrations", as he famously put it last spring.

Those people are not impressed by the views of foreigners, and they don't automatically vote Democratic any more. Neither do Jewish Americans, and the Zionist majority among them are deeply suspicious about Obama's commitment to Israel.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:38:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
ITV - John Pilger - Obama, the prince of bait-and-switch
In the New York Times on 14 July, in an article spun to appear as if he is ending the war in Iraq, Obama demanded more war in Afghanistan and, in effect, an invasion of Pakistan. He wants more combat troops, more helicopters, more bombs. Bush may be on his way out, but the Republicans have built an ideological machine that transcends the loss of electoral power - because their collaborators are, as the American writer Mike Whitney put it succinctly, "bait-and-switch" Democrats, of whom Obama is the prince.

Those who write of Obama that "when it comes to international affairs, he will be a huge improvement on Bush" demonstrate the same wilful naivety that backed the bait-and-switch of Bill Clinton - and Tony Blair. Of Blair, wrote the late Hugo Young in 1997, "ideology has surrendered entirely to `values'... there are no sacred cows [and] no fossilised limits to the ground over which the mind might range in search of a better Britain...".

Eleven years and five wars later, at least a million people lie dead. Barack Obama is the American Blair. That he is a smooth operator and a black man is irrelevant. He is of an enduring, rampant system whose drum majors and cheer squads never see, or want to see, the consequences of 500lb bombs dropped unerringly on mud, stone and straw houses.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:00:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Obama adopted the War on Terra rhetoric hook and sinker, and incorporated it into his Berlin speech.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:06:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
there was a peculiar glint in his eye, that i have never seen him with.

a certain hardness and somewhat punishing vibe...

maybe it was just 'nerves'.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 01:01:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Method acting.

This was a great and successful photo op beamed back to the States. Obama international, Obama huge crowds, Obama karisma, Obama tough on terra.

McCain sat watching slack-jawed in Schmidt's Fudge Haus.

McCain is now officially fudge.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 02:26:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
and we helped by being instrumentalised...

ok, it's a deal!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 04:43:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
a great fan of Pilger. He's unashamedly taken a moral position in all his reports - which always makes me question where journalism should really stand with impartiality. Yet Pilger always seems to put the finger at the spot where it hurts me the most:

ITV - John Pilger - Obama, the prince of bait-and-switch

A total of 64 civilians were bombed to death while The Times man was discomforted. Most were guests at the wedding party. Wedding parties are a "coalition" speciality. At least four of them have been obliterated - at Mazar and in Khost, Uruzgan and Nangarhar provinces. Many of the details, including the names of victims, have been compiled by a New Hampshire professor, Marc Herold, whose Afghan Victim Memorial Project is a meticulous work of journalism that shames those who are paid to keep the record straight and report almost everything about the Afghan War through the public relations facilities of the British and American military.

The US and its allies are dropping record numbers of bombs on Afghanistan. This is not news. In the first half of this year, 1,853 bombs were dropped: more than all the bombs of 2006 and most of 2007. "The most frequently used bombs," the Air Force Times reports, "are the 500lb and 2,000lb satellite-guided...". Without this one-sided onslaught, the resurgence of the Taliban, it is clear, might not have happened. Even Hamid Karzai, America's and Britain's puppet, has said so. The presence and the aggression of foreigners have all but united a resistance that now includes former warlords once on the CIA's payroll.

Professor Herold's webpage

by Nomad on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 04:39:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:35:12 PM EST
Energy in Crisis: The Real Question -- Should Oil Be Cheap? - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Expensive oil hurts. But there's a business case to be made for a floor under the price of crude.

 All eyes are on the price of oil these days. But could expensive crude be a good thing? Amite Foundry & Machine is one of those gritty manufacturers at the heart of American industrial might. The Louisiana company's fiery 2,800F furnaces melt down hunks of recycled scrap steel and recast them into massive parts for trucks, oil rigs, and other heavy equipment. Amite even turned 30 tons of metal from the World Trade Center into the bow of the Navy's USS New York. But the company suffered as manufacturing moved offshore, and the town of Amite, 65 miles north of New Orleans, with its faded white clapboard churches and a main street that time forgot, has suffered along with it.

No more. Amite Foundry's orders jumped 25 percent in 2007 and 30 percent more so far this year, spurring the company to hire dozens of workers. Why the turnaround? The price of oil. With the cost of a barrel of crude well north of $120, anything that can provide additional supplies, alternatives, or gains in energy efficiency is booming. One example: Canada's oil sands. They're boosting sales of Caterpillar's 380-ton-capacity mining trucks--and Caterpillar uses nearly 50 tons of Amite's steel castings per vehicle. Sure, increased energy and commodity costs make it more expensive to produce and ship steel, says Roy Roux, sales chief at parent Ameri-Cast Technologies, but "high oil prices are mostly good for us."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:40:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oil survey says Arctic has riches - International Herald Tribune

The Arctic may contain as much as a fifth of the world's yet to-be-discovered oil and natural gas reserves, the United States Geological Survey said Wednesday as it unveiled the largest-ever survey of petroleum resources north of the Arctic Circle.

Oil companies have long suspected that the Arctic contained substantial energy resources, and have been spending billions recently to get their hands on tracts for exploration. As melting ice caps have opened up prospects that were once considered too harsh to explore, a race has begun among Arctic nations, including the United States, Russia, and Canada, for control of these resources.

The geological agency's survey largely vindicates the rising interest. It suggests that most of the yet-to-be found resources are not under the North Pole but much closer to shore, in regions that are not subject to territorial dispute.

"For a variety of reasons, the possibility of oil and gas exploration in the Arctic has become much less hypothetical than it once was," Donald Gautier, the chief geologist for the survey, said during a news conference Wednesday. "Most of the resources are on the continental shelf in areas already under territorial claims."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:41:29 PM EST
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Arctic may hold as much as a fifth of undiscovered oil and gas reserves - International Herald Tribune

NEW YORK: The race for petroleum resources above the Arctic Circle is likely to speed up in coming years, as the polar ice cap melts and access to oil and gas reserves in many other places around the world becomes more challenging.

The lure of the Arctic as oil's next big frontier was vindicated this week as a major geological survey found the region might hold as much as a fifth of the world's yet to-be-discovered oil and natural gas reserves.

Many of these new resources, according to the survey, are to be found in Russia. If true, that would cement Russia's position as one of the world's dominant energy players, particularly for natural gas, and increase its already powerful clout over Europe's energy supplies.

As the melting polar caps open up prospects that were once considered too harsh to explore, a race has begun among countries including the United States, Russia and Canada for control of these Arctic resources. The findings by the United States Geological Survey, which constitute the largest-ever survey of petroleum resources north of the Arctic Circle, could accelerate this scramble.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:56:02 PM EST
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If it is undiscovered... how do they keep coming up with portions and percentages?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:45:49 PM EST
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LOL

I was wondering about that myself.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:59:07 PM EST
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By the same analytical techniques that proved there were weapons of mass distraction in Iraq.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 07:38:31 PM EST
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How a £1 billion drug deal sank in Irish Sea - Times Online

The operation to land £1 billion of cocaine was going like clockwork: the catamaran had glided into position in the Irish Sea and the cargo was being ferried ashore to a remote location, ready for distribution across Britain.

Months of planning suddenly went awry, however, because of the simplest of blunders -- somebody put diesel in a petrol engine. The mistake caused an inflatable boat to capsize, tipping dozens of bales of cocaine into the choppy waters and casting one of the drug dealers into the sea.

When the emergency services were alerted, police found 61 suspicious packages floating around the upturned boat in Dunlough Bay, west Cork.

Yesterday four men were convicted for attempting to smuggle what became the largest seizure of cocaine in Britain and Ireland, on board the ironically named Lucky Day.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:41:57 PM EST
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Offshore Wind Farms: A Green Revolution off Germany's Coast - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The German government envisions thousands of wind turbines in the waters off the country's northern coast. Construction on the first project begins in August. And many more are in the planning stages. Has Germany's offshore energy revolution finally arrived?

The official blessing came from the very top. "Wind energy is a very important prospect for the future," Germany's President Horst Köhler said. Green energy, he added, is "in tune with nature."

The industry is in need of Köhler's encouraging words. For the last 10 years the German government and companies have been working on plans to build enormous offshore wind farms. And, yet, not a single blade currently turns off the coast of Germany. The reasons? Technical difficulties, a lack of money and problems with the power cables.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:43:28 PM EST
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Navy cancels $20b purchase of destroyers

A stunning Navy decision to abort a $20 billion plan for a new fleet of destroyers yesterday threw into question the future of Raytheon Co.'s largest defense program and renewed longstanding concerns about the fate of the Bath Iron Works shipyard in Maine.

Cancellation of the 14,000-ton, Zumwalt-class destroyer, called the DDG-1000, after just two ships were funded, was made public by Maine's two Republican senators, Olympia J. Snowe and Susan M. Collins, and US Representative Thomas H. Allen, a Democrat whose district includes the Bath shipyard. The lawmakers said they were informed by top Navy officials that with costs rising 50 percent, to $3 bil lion per ship, the program has become too expensive and would make it impossible for the Navy to meet its overall goal of a 313-ship fleet. The service currently has about 280 ships.

The lawmakers said they were also told that the Navy had concluded the destroyer's design was not well suited to combating the evolving threat of long-range missiles.

Is it ARGeezer who keeps harping on the US navy being obsolete for exactly this reason?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:50:11 PM EST
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'Tis me.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:19:27 PM EST
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A stunning Navy decision

Is it stunning because it's so rare for a defence contract to be cancelled, no matter how much the price increases? or because the navy must continue to buy ships that don't meat its requirements? or that the navy would put off buying seven more ships towards its dream number?


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:39:54 PM EST
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Rare for a weapons system to be canceled after a buy-decision, no matter how expensive, pointless, or worthless the system is.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:52:38 PM EST
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the M247  AA gun managed to get itself cancelled after two disasters, firstly while demonstrating its ability to cope with helicopters, managed to destroy a tin outhouse on the range, and second on a rollout in front of the Army general staff its radar controlled automated turret turned and instead of tracking the target put up, instead turned and attempted to hose the review stand with automatic fire, this was only prevented from being the top item on the news by the fact that it hadn't been loaded with ammunition.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:09:38 PM EST
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Oh, yeah.  The famous Sgt. York Intelligent (sic) anti-air point defense system.  Developed by the reputable Ford Motor Company Aerospace Division.  I knew some of the people who worked on that POS.  The engineers and technicians refused to go anywhere near it when the damn thing was locked-and-cocked.  According to rumor, during one live-fire test it wiped out several trees, a fence, and all the cars in the parking lot.  

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:25:35 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West | Re-count in Glasgow by-election

The result of the Glasgow East Westminster by-election has been delayed after a re-count was ordered.

Nine candidates are standing in the seat, in a contest sparked by the resignation of Labour's David Marshall on health grounds.

So either it's close, which would be a shock, or someone is close to losing their deposit, and the few votes will make the difference.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 08:43:22 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West | Re-count in Glasgow by-election

It is believed the initial count gave the SNP a lead of less than 500.

Labour had a majority of 13,507 in Glasgow East over the SNP in the seat in the 2005 general election.

Voter turnout was confirmed as 42.25%, only slightly down on the 48% figure at the last election, with 26,219 votes cast.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 08:48:35 PM EST
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And Labour loses another heartland seat, going from a 13,000 lead to a 365 vote loss

Westminster must be sweating tonight.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:27:14 PM EST
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If the polling is accurate, and the recent by-elections seem to confirm them, Labour is going to be destroyed in the next national election.

How long are the back-benchers going to tolerate Brown leading their party into disaster?

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:28:07 PM EST
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New Systems Keep a Close Eye on Online Students at Home - Chronicle.com

Tucked away in a 1,200-page bill now in Congress is a small paragraph that could lead distance-education institutions to require spy cameras in their students' homes.

It sounds Orwellian, but the paragraph -- part of legislation renewing the Higher Education Act -- is all but assured of becoming law by the fall. No one in Congress objects to it.

The paragraph is actually about clamping down on cheating. It says that an institution that offers an online program must prove that an enrolled student is the same person who does the work.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 06:45:42 AM EST
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KLATSCH
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:35:46 PM EST
BBC NEWS | UK | Mosley wins court case over orgy

World motorsport boss Max Mosley has won a legal action against a Sunday newspaper over claims an orgy he took part in had Nazi overtones.

The High Court ruled the News of the World did breach Mr Mosley's privacy, awarding him £60,000 in damages.

Mr Justice Eady said he could expect privacy for consensual "sexual activities (albeit unconventional)".

Mr Mosley admitted a sado-masochistic sex session with five prostitutes, but denied that it had a Nazi theme.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:54:15 PM EST
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The judge seems well versed himself...

At the High Court, Mr Justice Eady said ...
The "bondage, beating and domination" that did take place was "typical of S&M behaviour", he said.

Of course, it´s the press´ fault that his family is hurt, not mosley´s behavior.... <snark>

The 68-year-old says his life has been devastated by the News of the World story and the posting of the video footage on its website.

He told the court that the publicity had been "totally devastating" for his wife of 48 years, and he could think of "nothing more undignified or humiliating" for his two sons to experience.



Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:21:16 PM EST
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it was the media commentary that was "devastating" to his wife, not the fact that he was with 5 (5, count 'em!) prostitutes.

LOL

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:30:08 PM EST
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Five, indeed.

Reminded of the tale of three literary Cambridge dons having dinner when the subject came up of of the correct collective noun for ladies of easy virtue.

"A Jam of Tarts" suggested the first.

"No, no....a Fanfare of Strumpets", said the second.

But the third brooked no competition...

..."an Anthology of English Pro's".

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 08:13:26 PM EST
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2 to 9:  
Coincidence, or confirmation bias?  

<truth=snark>

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 08:39:16 AM EST
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Mosley:
he could think of "nothing more undignified or humiliating" for his two sons to experience.

Not for want of trying, apparently.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 09:16:22 PM EST
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