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Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:12:53 PM EST

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:13:44 PM EST
Business favours Blair as EU president -EUobserver

European businesses would choose the UK's ex-leader, Tony Blair, as the new EU president, with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Luxembourg's prime minister, Jean-Claude Juncker, featuring as other front-runners for the position in a fresh poll.

The survey was carried out by financial news channel CNBC Europe, with Mr Blair supported by 37 percent of respondents, Ms Merkel 23 percent and Mr Juncker 12 percent of pollsters, UK daily the Guardian reported.

Tony Blair and Angela Merkel are the two most popular personalities for the top EU job among businesses

The British Labour leader was mentioned as a possible candidate for the new post already last year, mainly after French President Nicolas Sarkozy signalled he would back him.

But the idea also sparked some objections in other European capitals, with Chancellor Merkel herself reportedly arguing against such a choice.

The creation of a new EU president post - to be held for two and a half years and partly replace the current six-month rotating chairmanship of the bloc's member states - is still an open question due to the failed referendum in Ireland on the Lisbon Treaty, which would have introduced institutional changes to how the EU is run, including the new position.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:15:39 PM EST
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27178
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:16:51 PM EST
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Of course business would choose some neoliberal anti-regulation sucker-up to the mega-rich.

But the EU, like any government, is supposed to be run for the benenfit of the society as a whole, not just that tiny proportion of the population who are already over-rewarded for their contributions.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:07:52 AM EST
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But the EU, like any government, is supposed to be run for the benenfit of the society as a whole, not just that tiny proportion of the population who are already over-rewarded for their contributions.

Ha~! Oh my. Barely breathe. Stitches. That is really a good one.

Did you just cover punch line delivery in that comedy class you are taking? It must be really really good. Is it online or dvd-based? Wow. Timing... precision... gestures... straight face... phew. I won't be able to think again until lunch.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:13:26 AM EST
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U.K. hacker loses appeal against extradition to U.S. - International Herald Tribune

LONDON: Some call it the biggest hack of military computers; perhaps it was just a big embarrassment.

Gary McKinnon -- accused of breaking into military and NASA computers in what he claims was a search for UFOs, allegedly causing nearly $1 million in damage -- has lost his appeal for extradition to the United States.

McKinnon, 42, an unemployed computer administrator, allegedly broke into 97 computers belonging to the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense from a bedroom in a north London home.

His attacks between 2001 and 2002 allegedly shut down the Army district responsible for protecting Washington, and cleared logs from computers at the Naval Weapons Station Earle in New Jersey that tracks the location and battle-readiness of Navy ships.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:18:15 PM EST
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this guy will get offered a dream gig in computer security, guarens.

the lapses his hax revealed are worth millions to the pentagon.

ergo, they'll be paying him some of them, once he's had his knuckles rapped for being a naughty teen.

you could almost see his 'ufo research' as a job application!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:48:46 PM EST
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I think you ignore the level of vindictiveness from the US (& therefore, UK) governments towards any imagined threat, not just now but in the past.

He will go to jail and will be denied all access to computers until such time as his expertise is historical.

After all, he's not an expert. He knows enough to be dangerous and is dogged in his determination. But by the knowledge standards of expertise, he's just a rat who gnawed through a cable.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:12:39 AM EST
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Sorry, the expertise in the 2nd sentence was supposed to be "expertise". the post constradicts itself otherwise.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:14:16 AM EST
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more fools them, then, if that's true.

you don't think he'd come in handy for counter-espionage, there are a lot of cables to chew into...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 10:17:10 AM EST
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EU Welcomes Karadzic Extradiction to The Hague | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.07.2008
Bosnian Serb war crimes suspect Radovan Karadzic has arrived at the detention unit of the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague where he is to be tried. He'll appear before the court Thursday.

Bosnian Serb wartime leader Radovan Karadzic will make his first appearance before the UN's Yugoslav war crimes court on Thursday to enter a plea on genocide charges, the court said.

  

"The initial appearance of Radovan Karadzic has been scheduled to take place Thursday, July 31, at 4 p.m. in Courtroom I before Judge Alphons Orie," the court said in a statement Wednesday.

 

Earlier Wednesday, Karadzic, 63, was seen being whisked through the main entrance of the detention unit of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in a motorcade at 7:10 a.m. local time after an overnight flight from Belgrade.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:18:53 PM EST
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Making the Case for a Multi-Speed Europe | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.07.2008
The European Union will only be able to move closer together if a smaller group of courageous states take the lead, writes political scientist Werner Weidenfeld in an exclusive essay for DW-WORLD.DE.

Werner Weidenfeld is the director of the Center for Applied Policy Research (CAP) at the Ludwig Maximilians University in Munich and visiting professor at the Remnin University of Beijing.

The enlarged EU continues to makes its influence felt far beyond its frontiers. The heterogeneity within the bloc has, however, grown as a result of new members joining over the last few years. Economic, social and political differences continue to exist between the member states despite the steps towards convergence.

Ideas about how the body called the EU should develop in the future have become increasingly divergent. It will become more and more difficult to achieve greater integration simultaneously. This should not just be regarded as a problem, but also as an  opportunity for the future of Europe.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:19:20 PM EST
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A multi-speed Europe makes the EU more like the Hapsburg Empire, with each province having a different set of rights against and obligations towards the centre.

That sort of structure could work, up to a point, but it is not the original European ideal.

by Gary J on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:44:37 AM EST
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Former German Minister Calls for Flexible EU Defense Policy | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 29.07.2008
Former German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer has called for a group of EU states to develop a military force capable of reacting to crises around the world. He said the bloc needs a flexible defense policy.

A group EU nations should form a "pioneering group" to deal with issues of European security and defense, Fischer said Tuesday, July 28, at the presentation of a European Council on Foreign Relations study.

 

"We must recognize the reality of a 'multi-speed Europe' on defense," said Fischer, one of the council's co-chairs. "The reluctant should not be bullied, but neither must they hold the others back."

 

Fischer added that the bloc needed to take a "flexible approach" to cooperation between states on key issues in order to move forward after the Irish rejection of the Lisbon Treaty, which foresees creating a new post to steer European foreign and security policy.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:19:47 PM EST
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Hmm, I think he needs to define his terms a little better. Defence, historically, has been about repelling attack at home. Expanding "defence" abroad tends to enter a grey area where it is easily confused with "pre-emptive attack", which isn't defence at all.

Of course, there's peace-keeping. But as we've often seen, you either enforce a peace (with weapons) or you don't have a peace at all. And the UN might have views about that cos russia and china often have vested interests in countries where we want to develop vested interests ourselves have humanitarian intervention.

But of course, finally this is a military man who sees all political issues as military problems requiring military solutions without necesarily undestanding that military solutions are meaningless without civilian political control of purpose. Something the US needs to learn quickly methinks.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:24:04 AM EST
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Slavic rivals embroiled in church rift - International Herald Tribune

MOSCOW: For many Russians, it is bad enough that the president of Ukraine is pushing to join NATO and to eject the Russian Navy from its Black Sea port. But over the weekend, the confrontation over Ukraine's attempts to shrug off Russian influence reached an even more painful emotional pitch - with a new tug of war over history, identity and power.

President Viktor Yushchenko of Ukraine chose the 1,020th anniversary of the advent of Christianity in the Slavic kingdom that predated both Ukraine and Russia - a date that each country claims as a founding event of its nationhood - to issue a public plea for Ukraine's Orthodox Christians to gain independence from the Russian Orthodox Church.

With Orthodox church notables from around the world looking on, Yushchenko asked Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, the titular spiritual leader of the world's 250 million Orthodox Christians, to bless the creation of an independent Ukrainian church - "a blessing," he said, "for a dream, for the truth, for a hope, for our state, for Ukraine."

The Ukrainian president - who claims that Russian agents tried to murder him with poison that left him with a pockmarked face - snubbed the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, Alexei II, giving him a businesslike handshake after warmly kissing Bartholomew on both cheeks.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:20:36 PM EST
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It's eve nworse than that. If I remember correctly, there is an orthodox church that recognizes the Moscow Patriarch, one thatrecognizes the Greek ones, and the one that recognises the Pope (yes, the catholic one), called the uniats...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Catholic_Churches

So why not have one with their very own local patriarch. It would be par for the course.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:42:46 PM EST
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I think that Eastern Catholic Churches are not considered Eastern Orthodox Churches.  There is one Eastern Orthodox Church, of which the Russian Orthodox Church is a subset.  This is from wiki and is funny to me:

Russian Orthodox Church (Patriarchate of Moscow and of all Russia)

  • Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) (de-facto autonomous)
  • Moldovan Orthodox Church (territorial jurisdiction contested by the Romanian Church)
  • Metropolis of Western Europe (proposed, but not instituted)
  • Japanese Orthodox Church (autonomy not universally recognized[citation needed])
  • Belarusian exarchate
  • Estonian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)
  • Latvian Orthodox Church
  • Hungarian diocese
  • Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (autonomous; union completed on May 17, 2007.)

However Serbia, Bulgaria, Georgia and so on all have their own thing going on, so it makes sense Ukraine would too.  And most other countries on that list.  Like, uhm, Japan.

The only notable thing about this is, well, beside the silliness with which the Ukrainisn gov't. conducts itself, is that there are a sig. number of Russians in Ukraine.  A sig. number of Russian-Ukrainians.  How will they decide which church to attend?! lol.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:06:53 PM EST
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 How will they decide which church to attend?! l

This is easy: sure the one Yushchenko points to.

by blackhawk on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:47:08 AM EST
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Well, Yulia Timoshenko - currently a prime minister, "orange" but not in the same camp with the President any longer - is going to a MP (Moscow Patriarchate) church, and Yushenko is heavily behind the KP (Kiev Patriarchate) - political tussle on more that one level.

Even thought Orthodox religion is pretty hierarchial, many believers select a particular priest rather than a "church", therefore, they won't do whatever Yushenko tells them. Unless there's a high level deal and their local parishes change allegiance.

by Sargon on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 06:43:55 AM EST
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So why not have one with their very own local patriarch. It would be par for the course.

Yushchenko and his circle already have a Patriarch - Filaret of UOC (KP), issue is with believers.

by blackhawk on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:54:26 AM EST
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The Ukrainian president - who claims that Russian agents tried to murder him with poison that left him with a pockmarked face - snubbed the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, Alexei II, giving him a businesslike handshake after warmly kissing Bartholomew on both cheeks.

I think right now he blames the alleged poisoning attempt on his political ally, Zhvania, and Ukrainian security services. Apparently 4 years of being in power was not enough for him and his political appointees to finish investigation.


With Orthodox church notables from around the world looking on, Yushchenko asked Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, the titular spiritual leader of the world's 250 million Orthodox Christians, to bless the creation of an independent Ukrainian church - "a blessing," he said, "for a dream, for the truth, for a hope, for our state, for Ukraine."

Sounds like Yushchenko imagines himself to be L. Ron Hubbard.

I'm not versed in church politics and legalities, but the entire article is serious misrepresentation. There is Ukranian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), the largest church in Ukraine with 68%+ of all Orthodox communities, then there is Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate, a "separatist"  branch which is supported by Ukrainian ultra-nationalist authorities. How he hopes to fold a bigger UOC (MP) into unrecognized UOC (KP) against the wishes of UOC (MP) believers is beyond my understanding. My guess is that what Patriarch Bartholomew could provide (but did not) was recognition of UOC (KP).


There is a Ukrainian movement to convince the world that the famines that killed millions of Soviets during forced collectivization was a genocide aimed at ethnic Ukrainians - while many Russians object that their ancestors, too, starved after being stripped of their private land.

It's not a movement, but an official Yushchenko's view of history.


Some historians consider the kingdom to be the predecessor of the three east Slavic nations existing today - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus - as well as a cultural high point in the medieval history of Europe as a whole.

I think all historians outside Yushchenko cicle consider that and the holiday was 1,020th anniversary of the advent Cristianity in Rus'. Yushchenko celebrated the advent Cristianity in Ukraine, though.


At a rock concert organized by the Moscow patriarchate, the popular rock band DDT performed alongside Metropolitan Kirill, a Moscow church spokesman who declared in a kind of ecclesiastical rap: "Russia, Ukraine, Belarus - That is Holy Rus!"

Shevchuk, the DDT leader, was asked if he was afraid that Ukranian authorities will ban him from entry to the country. Shevchuk said that he was not afraid of the authorities and anyhow by the time he is planning to perform next year Yuschenko and his ultra-nationalists will be voted out.

by blackhawk on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:43:54 AM EST
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Jeesh; all that old 'one, holy, catholic and apostolic church' indoctrination from my childhood is clanging in my head as I read all this. But I fear that it may be more serious than what it shows on its face.


The Ukrainian president - who claims that Russian agents tried to murder him with poison that left him with a pockmarked face - snubbed the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, Alexei II, giving him a businesslike handshake after warmly kissing Bartholomew on both cheeks.

I think right now he blames the alleged poisoning attempt on his political ally, Zhvania, and Ukrainian security services. Apparently 4 years of being in power was not enough for him and his political appointees to finish investigation.


This is interesting. Last week there was a comment that he was more likely suffering from a self-inflicted case of alcohol poisoning. I don't remember if there was a citation for that, but as a non-fan of Yushchenko and the US financed 'revolution' I thought it was interesting.
Do you have an english citation for his blaming the disfiguring on "Zhvania, and Ukrainian security services."? What is your opinion...is it what people believe?


With Orthodox church notables from around the world looking on, Yushchenko asked Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, the titular spiritual leader of the world's 250 million Orthodox Christians, to bless the creation of an independent Ukrainian church - "a blessing," he said, "for a dream, for the truth, for a hope, for our state, for Ukraine."

Sounds like Yushchenko imagines himself to be L. Ron Hubbard.

I'm not versed in church politics and legalities, but the entire article is serious misrepresentation. There is Ukranian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), the largest church in Ukraine with 68%+ of all Orthodox communities, then there is Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchate, a "separatist"  branch which is supported by Ukrainian ultra-nationalist authorities. How he hopes to fold a bigger UOC (MP) into unrecognized UOC (KP) against the wishes of UOC (MP) believers is beyond my understanding. My guess is that what Patriarch Bartholomew could provide (but did not) was recognition of UOC (KP).


Is this more ominous than the inter-Nicene politics?
It doesn't sound like Yushchenko is developing his own philosophy a la Hubbard, but playing at some political/ethnic game.

Has he been losing his populace?

Is this a last ditch attempt to ethnically divide the population for his own survival, an attempt that could end up in yet another inter-community genocide?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:56:51 AM EST
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thing has been highly public - I think it was posted in one of the Salons recently. Yushenko actually made that accusation publicly, during an interview.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:19:37 AM EST
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For poisoning Fran did post an article few days ago here in Salon. Here we go:

Whatever happened to the Yushchenko "poisoning" investigation?

Yushchenko, according to his current version, was poisoned at the meeting with the head of Ukrainian KGB and he accuses Zhvaniya, then his campaign manager.  

Yushchenko's nationalistic party polls at 5% and his personal trust rating as a politician is around 5%-10%, so I don't think he has enough pull to engineer inter-community war.

by blackhawk on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 06:04:20 AM EST
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Thanks to both above.

That link is a self-congratulatory opinion piece but leads to this article
Yushchenko believes ex-ally poisoned him and these quotes

Zhvania insisted on Thursday that Yushchenko's poisoning has yet to be proved. He dismissed Yushchenko's statement as "absolutely ill-considered and irresponsible" and said it shows his disregard for the rule of law.

"Such actions of V Yushchenko don't disgrace him personally as much as they humiliate Ukraine in front of the international community," Zhvania said in a statement.

You gotta love nice phrasing like that.

Prosecutors said on Wednesday they had failed to find any suspects. But after being questioned by prosecutors earlier this week, Yushchenko hinted the investigation would produce some "very unpleasant" surprises.

So, Yushchenko is in front of the prosecutors so late in the game...often telling since at the end they often have enough data to trap the big mouse.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 06:27:29 AM EST
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The Ukrainian president - who claims that Russian agents tried to murder him with poison that left him with a pockmarked face
Is my memory getting weaker, or is it about the first time Yushenko is "claiming" to have been poisoned? Or is the word "claim" referring to the "Russian agents"?
by Sargon on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 07:04:58 AM EST
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EU back-room deal could leave contaminated soil at hospitals, schools - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Schools, playgrounds, hospitals and other public sites with contaminated soil could remain polluted as the result of a back-room deal between Germany, France and the UK on European legislation covering soil degradation and clean-ups.

Two years ago, the European Commission proposed a directive that would see member states obliged to identify and clean sites polluted by industry. The bill was also to require the designation of farm land at risk of different forms of degradation such as erosion, landslides and becoming too salt-ridden.

Soil absorbs up to 20 percent of carbon emissions

The proposal was blocked by the three countries at last December's European Summit, together with Austria and the Netherlands. France, currently chairing the six-month rotating EU presidency, had said it would attempt to revive negotiations on the bill, a move initially welcomed by environmental groups.

But Paris has not yet put the topic on any agenda at the official level before the October summit and is currently co-ordinating unofficial meetings between the five blocking countries.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:24:26 PM EST
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Belgian south keen to join France - EUobserver

Almost one out of two French-speaking Belgians would like to join France if their country splits up, a new survey says, amid a deepening political crisis in the host-state of the European Union's top institutions.

Forty nine percent of people in the south-lying Belgian region of Wallonia said they would support "rattachment" - a re-joining - with France in the event of a break-up with the northern Dutch-speaking region of Flanders.

The Manneken Pis statue in Brussels: who would it belong to if Belgium divorced?

The figure shows a huge jump from 29 percent six months ago, even though just 23 percent of Walloons believe the country might actually fall apart, an Ifop poll for Belgian and French papers Le Soir and La Voix du Nord found.

On the French side, 60 percent of respondents would like to join-up with their Belgian neighbours, up from 54 percent in previous surveys. The majority in favour is even higher in bordering regions such as Pas-de-Calais.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:25:30 PM EST
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LOL.....Belgians can't even split one constituency(B-H-V),let alone the country.

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:42:58 PM EST
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Europe Needs Better Ideas, Communication, Expert Says | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 29.07.2008
Europe hasn't really made a mark in the public consciousness. Without new ideas and their effective communication nothing will change, says German journalism professor Gerd Kopper in an exclusive essay for DW-WORLD.DE.

Professor Gerd G. Kopper is a retired professor of journalism at the University of Dortmund in Germany. He initiated the Erich-Brost Institute for Journalism in Europe and was its director from 1999 to 2006.

 

There's no dearth of criticism about "Europe" in today's media landscape. Unfortunately, a huge amount of it is nothing more than regurgitated gobbledygook. Many media studies have shown that detailed research of European policies and a balanced criticism of it are the exceptions to the rule.

 

This image of "Europe" painted by the media -- often a mixture of sarcasm about apparent bureaucracy, exaggerated accusations and hidden nationalism in many countries -- is a dominant one.

 

But there is another more tangible and practical Europe that works perfectly but about which hardly anything is reflected on or reported: Trade, financial ties, tourism and scientific exchange work well in Europe. And all the statistics and assessments show that these areas are functioning better and better.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:27:23 PM EST
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US to screen foreign air passengers -EUobserver

Washington is set to electronically collect data on all European visitors who currently enjoy visa-free travel to the United States. An online registration system, first kicking-in on a voluntary basis, will ask for a number of personal data, including on health.

The Electronic System of Travel Authorisation (ESTA) - presented by US Department of Homeland Security representative Jackie Bednarz on Monday (28 July) - is designed to track high-risk passengers and will be officially launched on 1 August.

The new system will add a fresh burden to passengers keen to visit the US

The procedure will become mandatory only on 12 January 2009, with all passengers from visa vaiwer programme countries - including children - required to receive an authorisation to travel before they board a US-bound airplane or vessel.

On top of 15 EU states - Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the UK - the obligation will also apply to Andorra, Australia, Brunei, Iceland, Japan, Liechtenstein, Monaco, New Zealand, Norway, San Marino, Singapore and Switzerland.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:28:02 PM EST
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Iceland and San Marino - terrorist hotbeds of a seething and deadly Islamofascism.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:36:26 PM EST
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But what about Malta?

A seething hub between Islamofascists and Mafia....

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:01:59 PM EST
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Khedaffi would be the islamofascist in this case. Simply doing as always: mass corruption.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:57:38 AM EST
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Also:
She also indicated that the US may eventually charge for ESTA registration, saying "In the future, there may be a fee." Currently a US visa application costs $131 or €83.
They really don't want tourists to come, do they.

I see they "forgot" the Vatican.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:12:06 PM EST
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Now the terrists know where to congregate.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:40:35 PM EST
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Sorry, I thought you said 'tourists.'

Easy mistake to make.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 06:22:08 AM EST
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Instant £260 hike for yearly fuel bill - Business News, Business - The Independent

The UK's biggest domestic supplier today heaped misery on households after hiking gas and electricity bills.

British Gas, which has 15.9 million customers, is raising gas bills by 35 per cent and electricity prices by 9 per cent. Average dual fuel prices will jump 25 per cent.

The company blamed soaring wholesale energy prices for the move, which follows price increases from rival EDF Energy last Friday.

The price hikes come into effect immediately and will add an extra £262.80 a year to the average dual fuel customer's bill, or 72p a day.

British Gas managing director Phil Bentley said: "We very much regret that we have had to make this decision at a time when many household budgets are already under pressure.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:33:34 PM EST
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"Instant hike"? Bleh.

But aren't competitive markets wonderful?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:45:02 PM EST
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I'll post this closer to the time but there is a programme called "Any Questions" on Radio 4 where members of the public ask questions of a panel of MPs and alleged "experts".

There is one where i live in a months time and I'm hoping to go. Can we brainstorm a good energy question if I get the chance to pose one ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:38:31 AM EST
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British Gas managing director Phil Bentley said: "We very much regret that we have had to make this decision at a time when many household budgets are already under pressure.

as he climbed into his Bentley...

this will hurt me much more than it hurts you....

every penny extra on energy bills is another possible wake-up call for the millions who don't yet care where their energy's coming from, and an inducement to taker more conscious responsibility for us all to clean up our act in that respect.

this is where the rubber meets the road, this another spark that could light a fire of long overdue public awareness.

how and why it's taken so long for the public to wake up, well well well, if it ain't that old sauce bernays smothered all over everything.

what we thought chicken, now we find is crow, under the cream-of-bullshit.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:59:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
My initial thought was that it is still too low. . .that 268 pounds (a touch over 20 pounds a month) isn't going to:
a) motivate anyone to do different...except perhaps to not buy that Starbucks coffee and scone once a week or buy that DVD or PSP game and
b) that 268 pounds isn't going to buy a solar or photo-voltaic panel.

But coupled with commensurate rises in transportation fuel costs and food costs and doubtless the cinemas server farms are going to need to raise prices as their costs go up...that is a lot of Starbucks and scones and barista salaries that aren't going to be percolating around the economy.

And, 268 pounds times 12 months times the 10 or 20 years life of the solar panels - that is a lot of potential dosh to be spread amongst the wind and panel business.

Teach those baristas how to do AC Transformer conversions~!

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:08:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But I'm not sure anybody really understands the problem. MPs still report proudly that our energy market is more "efficient" than in europe, newspapers still refer to alleged competition in the market as if that were a demonstrably good thing.

As is normal in the UK, they regard the EU as lost in bureaucracy and red-tape whilst lamenting they aren't  in the USA and the real red-meat capitalism that delivers true value to the consumer. The reality that their world-view is entirely fuelled by mythology and completely contradicted by facts is never going to change anything, cos those facts are produced by foreigners (US isn't foreign) and so meaningless

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:45:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Turkish Verdict: Top Court Rejects Ban of Ruling AKP - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

The highest court has ruled against a proposed ban of the governing AKP party. A wafer-thin majority of the 11 judges decided to give the government a reprieve, while handing down a warning.

 Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's party was not banned by the country's highest court. Turkey's highest court said on Wednesday that it will not ban the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), a decision that avoids plunging Turkey into a political crisis.

The Constitutional Court in Ankara instead handed down a warning to the governing party. The presiding judge Hasim Kilic said after three days of deliberations those against the ban had narrowly won out. Six of the 11 judges had wanted to ban the AKP for allegedly trying to steer the country toward Islamic rule. The ban would have required the votes of seven justices. The court did, however, decide to strip the party of half of its state funding.

The decision is a reprieve for Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his allies in the Islamic-rooted AKP. A ban would have triggered even more political turmoil in the country just days after two bombs killed 17 people in Istanbul. It would also have severely damaged Turkey's image as a democracy as the country seeks to join the European Union.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:36:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The N24 wire is telling me Wolfgang Clement has been kicked out of the SPD by the Nordrhein Westfalen branch of the party.

Why this is good news.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:27:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Good news indeed and good riddance.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:05:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
: ZDF-Bericht: SPD schließt Clement aus | Nachrichten auf ZEIT ONLINEZDF Report: SPD expels Clement | News on ZEIT ONLINE
Die Schiedskommission der SPD in Nordrhein-Westfalen wird den früheren Wirtschaftsminister Wolfgang Clement aus der Partei ausschließen. Das meldete am Abend das ZDF. Clement hatte im Januar indirekt dazu aufgerufen, die SPD nicht zu wählen.The arbitration committee of the SPD in Nordrhein-Westfalen will expel the former [federal] minister of economy Wolfgang Clement from the party. This was reported by the ZDF in the evening. In January, Clement had indirectly called for not voting for the SPD.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:29:52 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - Europe - British court overturns BAE ruling

Britain's highest court has ruled that the country's financial regulator acted lawfully when it halted a corruption inquiry into a multi-billion dollar contract between BAE Systems PLC and Saudi Arabia.

The decision overturned an earlier finding by the High Court which criticised the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) for ending the investigation, which Tony Blair, the then prime minister, said could jeopardise the so-called "war on terror".

The SFO had been investigating allegations that BAE, one of the world's largest arms makers, ran a multi-million dollar "slush fund," offering sweeteners to officials from Saudi Arabia in return for lucrative contracts as part of the $65bn Al-Yamamah arms deal in the 1980s.

But in 2006, Blair told the SFO to stop its investigation, saying it could threaten intelligence links with Saudi Arabia.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:54:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Patriotism may be the last refuge of a scoundrel, but national security is the first resort of a tyrant.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:53:04 AM EST
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The Council of Europe issued a memorandum by the Commissioner of Human Rights on recent events and legislation in Italy. It was ill received by the government. The Minister of Interior, Roberto Maroni, attacked the report with strawman arguments in parliament, asserting it makes false claims on police brutality.
Police brutality has occurred though. It may not be systematic yet, but it is getting there.

The full memorandum is available in html or pdf.

11. The Commissioner has been concerned for some time by consistent reports establishing that behind individual incidents, occasionally very violent, there was a trend of racism and xenophobia in Italy targeting primarily Roma, Sinti and immigrants from EU or other countries (see also following section). While this Memorandum concentrates on specific measures and policies liable to affect mainly the rights of those people, some broader introductory comments on the need to address that trend seem warranted.
...
  1. The hostile environment to non-dominant, vulnerable social groups has recently been fostered by statements of certain national and local political figures as well as by a number of mass media in the country. In meetings with the Commissioner representatives of important NGOs deplored an almost total lack of rejection of xenophobic statements by senior politicians. Representatives of Roma and Sinti felt that such lack of reaction, combined with the "security package", had further encouraged violence and hate speech against their communities. They expressed a fairly dramatic need for protection.
  2. The Commissioner is seriously concerned about the adoption or preparation by the government of severe legislation which is aimed at ensuring "public security" and imposing a firmer control over immigration, including of EU citizens, and over the presence and movement of Roma and Sinti populations (see sections below). While stronger action against individual criminal offenders may be required, including enhanced international judicial cooperation, the swift adoption of broad packages of the sort currently implemented or considered in Italy entails a clear risk of linking insecurity to specific groups of population and of generating confusion between offenders and foreigners. Such risk should be carefully avoided, if one is not to further feed xenophobic tendencies (the "security package" is further discussed in sections III and IV below)
...
32. The Commissioner is following closely and is deeply concerned at anti-Roma and anti-Sinti manifestations in Italy which have been occasionally extremely violent resulting into setting on fire Roma camps, reportedly without effective protection by the Police which has also carried out violent Roma camp raids. Of particular concern is the support which has been provided to such manifestations, directly or indirectly, by certain domestic, national and local, political forces and figures as well as by certain mass media. No information is as yet available on the conclusion of any effective investigation into such incidents by the competent authorities. During his discussion with the Minister of Interior, Mr Roberto Maroni, the Commissioner expressed his serious concern at this situation.
...
36. In this context, the Commissioner notes that by the decision of 7/12/2005 in the case of European Roma Rights Centre v Italy (Complaint No. 27/2004) the European Committee of Social Rights found unanimously that Italy had violated the European Social Charter taken together with the antidiscrimination Article E due to the insufficiency and inadequacy of Roma camping sites, the forced evictions and other sanctions, such as destruction of Roma property, and the lack of permanent dwellings. In the context of this case, the Italian authorities have undertaken before the Council of Europe Committee of Ministers to bring the situation into conformity with the Revised European Social Charter.
...
Conclusions and Recommendations
  1. The repeated adoption of emergency legislative measures by a Council of Europe member state in order to control migratory movements seems to indicate that the state mechanism is unable to deal effectively with a phenomenon that is not novel and thus should have been dealt with through ordinary legislative or other measures. Moreover, the frequent changes of immigration law act to the detriment of legal certainty, one of the constituent elements of the fundamental principle of rule of law on which the Council of Europe is based.
  2. The Commissioner is very concerned at the new legislative measures on immigration and asylum which have been adopted or are about to be adopted by Italy. As he informed the Minister of Interior, Mr Roberto Maroni, during his visit, he fears that, despite the authorities' declared intentions, these measures will result in a further social stigmatisation and marginalisation of migrants (including Roma) and in a further rise of anti-immigration and xenophobic climate in the country. The detrimental effects of this legislation on asylum seekers, often obliged to arrive in an irregular manner, is also of special concern to the Commissioner. The authorities' suggestion that the new legislation would not reduce the possibility to apply for asylum should be checked against the practice.
  3. The Commissioner notes that the impact of restrictive legislative and other measures on irregular migration is much debated, with some experts arguing that they rather ignite in effect irregular migration. He strongly feels that Council of Europe member states should undertake further efforts in order to view and tackle migration as a social, not criminal law, issue. That issue requires comprehensive, long-term and sustainable, national action plans in which host and origin states should work together, having as their priority the effective protection of the human rights of the people who feel themselves obliged to migrate for a better life.
  4. The Commissioner further notes that, despite a widespread opposite state trend, international law has clearly established the principle that aliens whose only offence is the violation of immigration law should not be treated by transit or host states as criminals or potential criminals. As Article 17, paragraph 3, of the 1990 International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrants Workers and Members of their Families prescribes, migrants detained for violation of provisions relating to migration should be held, in so far as practicable, separately from convicted persons or persons detained pending trial. Even though Italy is not a State Party to this Convention, the Commissioner considers this text as a reference for the protection of migrants' rights and the need to avoid their criminalisation. He notes with regret the Government's disagreement on this point.
  5. The Commissioner is particularly concerned at the criminal law amendment by the above-mentioned Law Decree by which the irregular stay of aliens who commit an offence shall be considered as an aggravating circumstance that will lead to the increase of these persons' sentences. This provision may raise serious issues of proportionality and discrimination based on one's immigration status.
  6. The introduction of those aggravating circumstances and the purported punishment for irregular entry and for letting accommodation to irregular migrants contravenes a well established position in international law that the irregular entry and stay of an alien should be in principle an administrative offence38. Departing from such well established principle is a serious matter indeed.
  7. In addition, it is to be noted that, as also mentioned during the discussion that the Commissioner had with the President of Italy's National Judges' Association on 19 June, the criminalisation of irregular migration is likely to strain even further the Italian judicial system, which suffers from the systemic problem of excessive length of judicial (including criminal) proceedings and the backlog of cases. In this context, it should be remembered that Italy is the European state with the highest number of judgments (1,715) delivered against it by the European Court of Human Rights from 1999 to 2007. The majority of these judgments (948) concern the systemic problem of excessive length of judicial proceedings. As at 31 December 2007 Italy was the contracting state with the highest percentage (45%) of judgments delivered against it by the European Court of Human Rights and whose execution was supervised by the Committee of Ministers under Article 46, paragraph 2, of the Convention. The Commissioner recommends that the authorities fully reflect on this additional dimension of the criminalisation of irregular migration and urge them to review, with a view to revoking, the above-mentioned provisions.

...

Well worth a read for all Europeans. Italy is not the only case although likely the worst at the moment.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:36:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
AGI News On - IMMIGRANTS - MARONI: OUTRIGHT LIES FROM COUNCIL OF EUROPE
(AGI) - Rome, 29th July - "I reject the accusations of the Council of Europe with indignation. They assert that acts of violence were perpetrated against Roma encampments without any effective protection from the forces of law and order, who for their part carried out raids on gypsy settlements. These are outright lies: the police have never committed any act of violence of this nature. Let us hear what facts are being referred to here". Thus Italy's Interior Minister, Roberto Maroni, addressing the Lower House and replying to criticisms directed at him by the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Council of Europe.

Let us hear what facts are being referred to here -- Maroni knows full well that whatever facts the Council of Europe presents will not be given the same play in Berluland as his accusations.

And so it goes on. It's become customary to read in the press that the Council of Europe is "a human rights watchdog", ie just another of those activist thingies and not a 47-nation multilateral treaty organisation. Now we have the Interior Minister of a major EU member state (and a founder member of the Council of Europe!) smearing the Council with swiftboat accusations of deliberate lies.

I hope Maroni and Italy pay for those words. Forlorn hope. The long process, operated by power-hungry cynics and neofascists, of undermining the determined postwar consensus in favour of rights and the rule of law, continues.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:33:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
determined postwar consensus in favour of rights and the rule of law.

As john Ashcroft might say, "How quaint".

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:55:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:14:08 PM EST
IOC agrees to Internet blocking at the Games - International Herald Tribune

BEIJING: The Chinese government confirmed Wednesday what journalists arriving at the lavishly outfitted media center here had suspected: Contrary to previous assurances by Olympic and government officials, the Internet would be censored during the upcoming games.

Since the Olympic Village press center opened Friday, reporters have been unable to access scores of Web pages - politically sensitive ones that discuss Tibetan succession, Taiwanese independence, the violent crackdown of the protests in Tiananmen Square and the sites of Amnesty International, Radio Free Asia and several Hong Kong newspapers known for their freewheeling political discourse.

On Wednesday - two weeks after its most recent proclamation of an uncensored Internet during the Summer Games - the International Olympic Committee quietly agreed to some of the limitations, according to Kevan Gosper, chairman of the IOC press commission, Reuters reported.

Gosper said that he regretted the limitations but that "IOC officials negotiated with the Chinese that some sensitive sites would be blocked on the basis they were not considered Games related."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:17:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"We can't spoil the party"
"We can't insult our hosts"
etc, etc

(Sarkozy will be in Beijing next week, but Le Monde's big headline today is about the crackdown on human rights in China ahead of the games.)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:46:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EU 'heart-broken' over trade talks collapse - EUobserver

Global trade talks have collapsed as divisions between the US and India over emergency protections for poor farmers proved insurmountable.

The so-called Doha Round of World Trade Organisation talks, which had limped into their second week of what had widely been described as "gruelling" negotiations, were derailed late on Tuesday (29 July) due to disagreement between the US and China and India over a "special safeguard mechanism" that would allow developing countries to temporarily protect their farmers from sudden surges in imports by raising tariffs.

Trade commissioner Mandelson called the collapse 'heart-breaking'

The US blamed the two countries for rejecting a compromise on the mechanism devised by WTO secretary-general Pascal Lamy and further developed by negotiators over the weekend.

The special safeguard mechanism has long been a key demand of the G33, a group of developing countries including China, India, Nigeria, Indonesia and Turkey.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:22:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No wonder we don't want Blair to be President of the Council!!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 The nasty iddle poor nations wouldn't accept being shafted by the west again. Shame, Mandelson is broken hearted.

Let's party. Champagne anyone ??

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:58:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
WTO: Why India and China Said No to U.S.
... While Beijing has taken some measures to ease the burden on local farmers by reducing taxes, the imbalance still worries leaders such as President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao, who have talked frequently about the need to boost development in rural areas. "The government faces very serious pressure from farmers," says Wang [Yong, associate professor and director of Peking University's Center for International Political Economy in Beijing].

<...>

Unable to compete internationally on the cotton market, cotton farmers in central India, the second-biggest cotton producer after China, have spent a decade falling deeper into debt. According to government estimates, more than 160,000 farmers have killed themselves because of those debts.

<...>

Preoccupied with their own rural problems, Chinese and Indian policymakers have little sympathy for the U.S. and other countries that subsidize farmers. The Americans, Europeans, and Japanese are "asking weaker countries to dismantle their own protection measures without doing the same in their own countries," says Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at People's University in Beijing. "It's a double standard." ...



Cynicism is intellectual treason.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 08:01:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Olmert to resign after Sept. 17 vote - International Herald Tribune

JERUSALEM: Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel, embroiled in a high-profile corruption investigation, announced Wednesday that he would resign his office as soon as his party chose a new leader in September.

In a televised public statement made from his official residence in Jerusalem, Olmert said he would not take part in the leadership election for his Kadima Party, opening the way for the next party leader to try to form a new government.

"I have decided not to compete in the primaries in Kadima," he said. "I will resign from my role as prime minister to allow a new leader to form a new government efficiently and quickly."

Olmert had agreed with the Labor Party, his partner in the coalition, to hold the internal election in September to try to keep the coalition together as the corruption inquiry continued.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:23:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Middle East peace process in turmoil as Ehud Olmert announces exit - Times Online

Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, tonight tearfully announced that he would step down in September, ending months of speculation over whether he could ride out a string of corruption probes.

"I have decided I won't run in the Kadima movement primaries, nor do I intend to intervene in the elections," said Mr Olmert, tears glistening in his eyes as he made an impromptu announcement from his Jerusalem office.

"I have made mistakes and I regret it," said the 62-year-old, who is also battling prostate cancer.

The disclosure is likely to have a juddering effect on the fraught Middle East peace process, since much of the recent progress in talks with the Palestinians had hinged on the close personal bond Mr Olmert had forged with the Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:34:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What peace process ? You mean the multinational attempt to force the Palestinians to accept serfdom eternally ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:59:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Resign, or submit his resignation? His successor in the party may have to get a majority in parliament for it to become effective, which might not be that easy. We may have not seen the end of Olmert yet...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:50:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I came upon a link to the London Banker blog excerpt below via a link in Tom Petruno's blog in the LA Times.
Friday, 25 July 2008
What's up with the covered bond push?
-skip-
Whenever Henry Paulson at Treasury, Ben Bernanke at the Fed and Shiela Bair at FDIC agree on anything, American taxpayers should check for their wallets to see if they are being mugged....

....Covered bonds allow for extension of credit to a bank SIV or trust that will be serviced by income from hypothecated assets on the bank's balance sheet. The assets stay on the bank's balance sheet unless there is a default on the bonds, at which time the assets are forfeit as collateral to the trust vehicle servicing the covered bond.

Last week the FDIC released a policy statement on covered bonds that provides for "expedited release of collateral" if an issuing bank is taken into FDIC receivership or liquidation. The Treasury is expected to release a protocol on best practices for covered bond issuance in a high profile event next week. Hmmmm. What could be up?

If I had to guess, I suspect what we will soon see is something near to the following scenario:

Lists will circulate of troubled banks likely to go into FDIC receivership....

Several of the central players in the recent market dramas ... will go strong and aggressive for the covered bond market. They will go around to their list of troubled banks... They will issue covered bonds to these trouble banks against any assets with real, proveable value left on the banks' balance sheets. They will be praised to the heavens by their friends in Washington as providing timely and necessary liquidity to a troubled banking system, proving the efficiency of the free market, bravely bearing the risk of new credit in exchange for troubled bank assets.

When the troubled bank nonetheless fails, our golden circle creditors get the good collateral in an expedited release from FDIC under its new policy statement. The FDIC is left with all the toxic waste assets and liability for depositor insurance claims, with no prospect of recovery of any value from the insolvent bank liquidation.

-skip-

When the FDIC itself becomes insolvent, which it surely must do as this game gets played to its obvious outcome, then the FDIC gets a GSE-style bailout via Treasury finance and the poor taxpayers get reamed again.



If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:28:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This is what happens when the clean-up is left to the folks who brought us the response to Katrina.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:29:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
that covered bonds are supposed to be a copy of the German Pfandbriefe, the safest kind of bond around.

But they are safe because they are tightly regulated. Again that word.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:55:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The safety of the Bonds is not the issue.  They will be very safe.  It is the safety of the solvency of FDIC and the value of the dollar that is at risk.  

The FDIC has just issued new procedures insuring that these bonds are quickly released to the servicing agency upon an FDIC seizure of an institution.  The bonds will be held by one of these hero institutions who have bravely "rescued" our economy and will cover everything of value remaining on the institutions books.  Those will safely go to the bond originator.  The FDIC and, eventually, the taxpayer will be left with only toxic and worthless assets.  That is the clear import of the post by London Banker.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:03:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bonds? Who needs 'em...
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:05:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If London Banker is correct, they will prove very efficient in extracting, (soaking?), the last bit of remaining value out of US Banks by interested private parties before tossing the shells to the FDIC and the taxpayers.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:58:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I doubt that such moves (to convert good assets into covered bonds) will be seen as "saving the system" - they will be seen as "selling the silverware" and would likely accelerate the defiance against these banks.

So for fragile banks, trying to do that might be the kiss of death. But maybe they don't realise it. Hmmm...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:51:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
From London Banker
Last week the FDIC released a policy statement on covered bonds that provides for "expedited release of collateral" if an issuing bank is taken into FDIC receivership or liquidation. The Treasury is expected to release a protocol on best practices for covered bond issuance in a high profile event next week.

This is what gives me pause.  The folks in this administration seem to view their obligations as being to the members of their own group, not to the nation as a whole.  With such a view it is possible to think: "Well, these institutions are going down anyway.  Why let good assets go down with them if we can insure that they go to our allies and supporters instead.  The "PEOPLE" will just squander what ever they get anyway. Let the "PEOPLE" eat the crap.  Keep the good stuff for our guys."

A few investment banks would end up with most everything of value from the banks' portfolios rolled into covered bonds, and the assets covering those bonds would fly away to the investment banks issuing the bonds upon the institutions defaults.  

No one in Washington will say anything for three reasons.

One: Very few people will pay close enough attention to notice what is happening.  It sounds wonky.

Two: If they speak out, they are endangering the contributions from these banks to their re-election campaigns.

Three: They can always say that they didn't expect THIS to happen.

Call me cynical, but that is exactly what I expect.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:32:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you want to put it up as a diary, it's worth promoting as a front page story, in fact.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:21:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 08:47:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Looks like the post gave DKos a good stir, and you did a good job of keeping it on point.  I just wish I thought anything effective would come of it.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:51:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The folks in this administration seem to view their obligations as being to the members of their own group, not to the nation as a whole.

Did I miss some memo declaring that today is "God Bless the Naive Day?"

First it is Helen with the "But the EU, like any government, is supposed to be run for the benenfit of the society as a whole, not just that tiny proportion of the population who are already over-rewarded for their contributions." and now this from Geezer?

What happened to my fellow pithy angry travelers?

Let's see if I can do this?

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, blah blah blah...

... if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

blah blah blah...

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

How did I do? I'm not built for this comedy stuff. I think I need to work on my general patter in my delivery, don't you think?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:38:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, me too, referring to all that postwar rights and rule of law nonsense, me naive, naive, God bless me!

(Let it not be said that we are all cynics on ET!)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:47:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes; I just noticed that you did it too~!

I'm not going to need any sweets for lunch or dinner today.

Mark my words, today is the day that we will read that Helen walked outside and a pony was standing there and everyone looked in their mailbox and found tickets to Malta for the next meet-up.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always und