When we said we'd back renewables, we meant "set back"

by Colman
Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:04:42 AM EST

The Guardian claims that, shockingly, the UK is busy trying to ensure that EU directives don't require it to give renewable energy sources priority access to the national grid: that might undermine important incumbent operators who provide jobs for the boys when they leave public service.
The renewables directive is intended to support an EU target to generate 20% of energy from renewable sources by 2020.

On access to the electricity grid, the draft directive said: "Member states shall also provide for priority access to the grid system of electricity produced from renewable energy sources".

However, documents seen by the Guardian show Britain wants to change "shall" to "may" - which experts say would seriously undermine the directive. Turmes said the original wording was based on a similar policy used successfully to boost renewables in Germany, Spain and Denmark, and was meant to help countries "kick dirty energy sources like coal off the grid".

A lack of connections to the national grid, which was not designed to channel power from the scattered and remote locations that suit renewables, has stalled the uptake of alternative energy in Britain and led to completed wind farms across Scotland standing idle. A recent report from the Select Committee on Innovation, Universities, Science and Skills said 9.3GW of wind power projects were currently waiting to be connected - the equivalent of a new generation of nuclear power stations.

But the strategy also noted that the draft EU directive obliged member states to give priority grid access to renewables, and said the government was working to "clarify this obligation".

Where "clarify" means "remove". They claim to be concerned that relying on intermittent sources like wind will cause problems, despite the experience elsewhere.

The problem here is that removing this obligation will give an out for every idiot government in the EU to make life hard for renewables for another decade or so.


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A lack of connections to the national grid, which was not designed to channel power from the scattered and remote locations that suit renewables, has stalled the uptake of alternative energy in Britain

Correction: ...has been claimed as an excuse to stall the uptake of alternative energy in Britain. (And same story in many other countries.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:13:01 AM EST
Or possibly " which was designed not  to channel power from the scattered and remote locations that suit renewables"
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:31:01 AM EST
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Most grids today were not conceived to stop renewables, but were built on design from then top-down energy structure. Most national grids are aged dinosaurs, suffering from lack of investment as there was no market incentive.  Rebuilding the decrepit infrastructure allows for a complete re-conception of what the grid is supposed to accomplish, including being both decentralized to allow dispersed generation and being an information conduit to micromanage information controlling smart technologies.

But that would be too simple.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:02:15 AM EST
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Whenever there is opposition to renewable technologies, the justification always uses arguments long since proven wrong.  The politics can be summed up as not being about the technology, but about the differences in social control behind the various technologies.

Decentralized vs. centralized.  Decade after decade.  Using the power of media to resurrect straw dog after straw dog.  And always slowing the growth of renewables through arcane backroom shenanigans.

Nice of the Guardian to run with the leak.  In the land of Europe's greatest wind resource, and strongest opposition.  Remember, the Crown Estate has committed to buy a 7.5 MW test turbine from an amurkan company who has not been able to commercialize a single 2.5 MW turbine, while ignoring the existing real designs from European companies which can always use more support.

On the other hand, the Crown Estate will also take an investment position in many offshore projects, to turn around for sale as the projects come online; hoping to accelerate project development. Or perhaps be able to keep an internal eye on what's really happening in the renewable camp.

The politics can only be turned around by an educated and aroused public, willing to wade through the lies until lying gains no more traction.  But in a world where reality is more satirical than satire, how do we achieve such understanding?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:53:39 AM EST
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So tell me again, how is it that Britain has no other alternative but to build new nuclear?

Aint' it that it is those important incumbent operators who have no alternative to keep their dominant role but building new nuclear?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:15:47 AM EST
If only these documents were public. Because then we could all phone the people who prepared them and give them an earful.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:50:25 AM EST
That's a nasty one.

Under current British grid access arrangements, producers have to indicate in advance (one day in advance, I think) their production for each hour or half-hour slot (again, sorry for the slight imprecisions), and they have to pay penalties if the volume of electricity they bring in during that period is either too high or too low. This is of course quite penalising for pure wind producers.

So what has happened is that wind producers in the UK have to sign PPAs (power purchase agreements) with the utilities, on a "full production" basis - ie the utility takes whatever is produced, and deals with the balancing requirements. Of course, this means that wind producers sell electricity at a heavy discount to market prices.

The dirty secret is that utilities have no problem whatsoever managing their overall load into the system, and they absorb the wind intermittency within their existing production portfolio, thus capturing for themselves most of the discount they charge to wind producers.

This underlines that wind can easily be integrated in the grid if done on a wider scale than individual projects, and that the current regulatory arrangements in the UK are very unfavorable to wind. and of course, given that state of things, higher "green certificates" are needed to promote wind, which allows to bring up accusations of the cost of wind, even though most of that subsidy goes to line up the pockets of the utilities...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:07:37 AM EST
bastards...great catch grauniad, and colman.

weren't the brits the last to cotton on to central heating in europe too?

well, if they insist...

this is gordo's secret mission, a more recalcitrant politician would be hard to find these days. typically insular, myopic, dishonest and life-threatening in his constipated thinking.

would he have any of his so-called good reputation as chancellor, if the n. sea and advent of cell-phone frequency contracts had not swelled the exchequer so?

didn't think so, fossil fool... all that wasted windy goodness lying idle in scotland, and he a scot too.

scabrous ain't the word... eventually the brits will look across the channel and figure it out, in spite of what whitehall does to keep britain beholden to an archaic grid, and it's people poisoned by obsolete technology.

anglo disease, par quintessence...

cutting his nose to spite his face, i think they used to call it.

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:11:49 AM EST
I believe it's no coincidence that a very strong hit piece appeared in the UK Telegraph yesterday or today.

The wind industry has a very well-funded propaganda machine and powerful lobbyists. This article, using previously unpublished data, is an attempt to redress the balance, to cut through the fog of misrepresentation, and establish one simple fact which the wind industry does not like the public or the Government to understand:

Virtually all the energy contribution from onshore wind turbines will have to be backed-up.
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Although the BWEA and others attempt to confuse the issue and everybody, by talking about balancing requirement, capacity credits and percentages of capacity and percentages of output, the question that arises is, very simply - what percentage of installed wind capacity can be statistically relied upon to meet peak demand? It is important to be sure of this, to determine what back-up capacity is required.
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It is hoped that this article will do something to disperse the smokescreen put up by the BWEA and others.

One should bear in mind that individuals in the wind development companies and investors are making a considerable amount of money from over-subsidised onshore turbines.

German and UK wind power output for February 2008
Feb 08 Click to enlarge

They bear none of the incremental costs required to support an intermittent and, at times, virtually non-existent energy source.

This cost is borne by the consumers, as is the cost of the subsidy payments that make the investment returns for turbines so high.

It is little less than Government sponsored robbery of the poor for the benefit of the rich.

This article is a classic example of what tbg rails so often about,  frame-stealing and twisting.  Twisting E.ons stats is unconscionable; would that BWEA had a decent media-trained response team.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:08:40 AM EST
I have been fuming all day about this hit piece (300kb pdf) from the Institut Montaigne, a rightwing thinktank here in France. It's stunning in its bad faith and, being written by a X-Mines and pushed by a noisy thinktank, it has gotten quite a bit of media traction.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:45:17 AM EST
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The best is when he ignores all the debates and negotiations at the EU level about what constitutes a renewable energy and adds his two cents: renewable just means no carbon and we have nuclear power, so there is no potential in France.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:21:37 PM EST
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the UK is busy trying to ensure that EU directives don't require it to give renewable energy sources priority access to the national grid: that might undermine important incumbent operators who provide jobs for the boys when they leave public service.

It is difficult to overestimate the damage that public officials can do when self-interested careerism is allowed to flourish.  As a project engineer and manager with an electronics systems company in Los Angeles I was sometimes involved in projects done for export.  I would build and test the system.  It would be loaded into a 20' or 40' shipping container and sent to Africa or the Mid East.  We would then cash the letter of credit.  

On at least two occasions I am aware of, these containers, with million + dollar systems, were simply placed in the desert or the jungle to wait.  The only benefit the purchaser received from the investment was the 10% "sales commission" which I presumed to have been paid to the responsible official in the destination country.  I thought "Geez, they will squander a million dollars just so some clown can pocket a hundred thou!"  Shocking.

But thus taught to recognize the scheme, I began to see it in play with public money on infrastructure projects in Los Angeles and to recognize the symptoms in national policies and projects.  I had to conclude that so called "1st world" countries were no better off than corrupt 2nd and 3rd world countries.  The only difference was that our theives had more sophisticated  PR.  Welcome to the 3rd world.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:35:40 PM EST
My father used to work for a firm that made printing machines. After several similar happenings his employers hired a Naval Carpenter to make all of their packing cases, so even if a machine had spent six months sitting on a dockside while the appropriate local official had had his palm properly caterd to, so that the correct paperwork occurred to get the machine through, no matter the hurdles when it arrived, then once it was unpacked then it would work.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:45:57 PM EST
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I once built an entire 35mm film projection system with Dolby 5.1 surround sound powered by 1000W/channel amps, etc. We shipped it in the late '80s.  We wrapped everything in foam and plastic, then put it into 3/4" ply crates reinforced with 1x2s.  Then all of the crates were loaded into steel shipping containers and braced into place.  Pretty secure.

I hoped that they remembered what was there in that container on the desert when Desert Storm occurred.  It had been intended for an air base in a neighbor to Iraq, but the last I heard, it was still in the container.  May still be.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:32:54 PM EST
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As a follow up my father took a replacement machine out to one place, flew in to meet up with it on delivery. took the crowbar out to strip the box down to be stopped by the factory staff who dismantled it much more carefully as one of the staff wanted the box to live in. Turns out that the machine that he had delivered twenty years earliers box was still housing the family of the same member of staff who'd had it straight after the last delivery. so there was much competition for the new house.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:01:21 PM EST
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You can feel a lot better about that than I can about my experiences.  Both the machine and the box it came in provided valuable services.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 07:34:20 PM EST
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