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Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:14:52 AM EST

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Taking a break - and will enjoy the sun with a cup of tea for a while, then back to do some more work (bookkeeping, not one of my favorits).
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:16:53 AM EST
Sat  in the back garden myself with tea, sun, cats, and under the watchful eyes of The herd of cows beyond the hedge.

Enjoy the sun  and have another cup. that bookkeeping can wait another ten minutes.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:20:34 AM EST
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It's baking here - phew whata  scorcher.

I'm off out for dinner with some friends in town at Wellamo. We will be joined by a Swedish marketing guru. "Plenty of der vit space-  der papper is unekspensiv".

But I shouldn't jest ... he's mostly on target.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:24:31 AM EST
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a 'scorcher' around Helsinki.  Sorry, I'm a doubting Tomasa...  (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:10:20 PM EST
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Nice enough to sit outside in a T-Shirt at 11.00 pm in a small park near the harbour, where an old wooden kiosk serves excellent wine, Nepalese beer and a very good G+T. And you meet lots of old friends you haven't seen in ages.

I'm not going to put a temperature on it - unless you lived our winter you wouldn't appreciate the warm nights, a glowing sunset, and low humidity. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:45:55 PM EST
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Saturday 17.30 - it is 27 deg C.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jul 26th, 2008 at 10:23:51 AM EST
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Took you by the word about a second cup of tea. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:27:42 AM EST
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I'd suggest a third but it's all cloudy here now.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:44:58 AM EST
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Here you can find a link to watch the Obama speech live in English - its supposed to be at 18:45 CET(or 19:00 - I am not sure as the German and the English transmission have different start times). You can change the player on the lower left hand site. I had to set it to Windows medial player, because Quicktime didn't work.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:18:30 AM EST
Will you bother? I don't think I can handle more than written summaries with quotes afterwards...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:21:44 AM EST
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No! I don't think so. I skimmed over the news for the Salon tonight and all that Obama hyph makes me feel like after overeating on to much sweets. :-) Short I am fead up with it.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:25:59 AM EST
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SPIEGEL has a series of 22 photos of the event. Recommended: the first one (you can pick out some really fanatic fans), big crowd photo with some heavy Prussian background, another big crown photo with Fanmeile feel, Brandenburg Gate, Merkel annoying the Repubs and pro-Repubs in her party, Wowi [won't that hurd Obama's conservative vote?...] and Steinmeier getting their photo-ops. But I embed the best (size reduced):



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:17:31 PM EST
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Photo 17:  A graphoanalyst would have a field day with that handwriting.  Very definitive, very interesting and a big, ´look at me´ signature.

After the scenes in Israel, though, I wish they wouldn´t let him out everyday...  He has said too much already, even if it´s THE game.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:29:51 PM EST
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Damn SPIEGEL is taking photos in and out of the series as we are watching. Just when I made the photo selection, they reduced it from 26 to 22. One of the 'censored' photos would have been the second most interesting: a pro-McCain counter-protester, with an old crap umbrella with A4 paper sheets hanging on all sides with "McCain" printed on them. Could be used as symbolic.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:21:33 PM EST
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Saw the new Stern cover at the newsstall:

asking: "Barack Obama Redeemer or Seducer?"

Didn't have much time to skim through the magazines but it looks like, gratefully, the press isn't fully in on the hyph. They are not negative, but basically say he is question mark and it is difficult to know what he stands for.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:40:13 AM EST
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I posted a Special Focus section for the Obama visit in Berlin, so that we can keep the topic together in one place. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:27:20 PM EST
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In my new digs in the Paris office...too bad the weather isn't always nice here...it's almost as nice as Marseille!

But where are all the parties?

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:09:44 AM EST
Hey, the party will be in September at the meetup! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:26:45 AM EST
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Paris in august means no parties. Welcome to the "8 weeks of vacation time per year" country !

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 07:33:02 AM EST
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Challenging post on DKos today by a Mr johnnygunn

The author considers the oil price of 140$ as a result of a bubble and predicts a slow down to 100-80$/bbl in the near future, due to a decline in demand as a result of the current oil price, and as new capacity would come on line (with some delay due to the time needed for investments to be finalized). As the price is set (according to this author) by the marginal demand/supply price, he assumes that a small decrease in demand could trigger a major decrease in price.
He compares also the price curves to some previous price bubbles.

This is only a very short summary of the article, so please don't snap at me, but I would welcom a return on the article.

There's also a special mention to Jérôme in the comments.

by Xavier in Paris on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:12:41 AM EST
Sounds within the bounds of possibility: $80 is the figure I would have picked out of the air as well.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:44:27 AM EST
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US$80 oil is already a disaster for the oil-based economy as a long-term price. And it's going to rise from there ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:46:58 AM EST
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At least until Bush renews his determination to go to war with Iran, or if Mr. "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" assumes the US presidency:

Of all the steps U.S. President George W. Bush has undertaken to solve his country's energy crisis, the rapprochement with Iran has emerged as the most effective of all. At a cost of only one airline ticket for William J. Burns, the U.S. State Department's third-ranking official, the administration in Washington achieved an almost-immediate 12-percent drop in oil prices.


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:26:04 AM EST
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that demand destruction in the US means demand destruction worldwide.

It's fun to see the "oil is a bubble" crow after the most recent price drops. It's just the 7th or so drop of that magnitude in the past year, and each time they said the bubble was over. I sense desperation...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:32:51 AM EST
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And I sense confirmation bias.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 11:38:10 AM EST
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the bubblists or the anti-bubblists?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:01:53 PM EST
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Both.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:02:42 PM EST
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when the facts have consistently been on your side?

Or are you saying I've just been lucky?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:13:57 PM EST
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No: past performance is not a predictor of future performance.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:15:18 PM EST
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of economics but not of physics.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:40:49 PM EST
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take care that he claims to have posted the article before the actual drop in prices.
by Xavier in Paris on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:37:35 PM EST
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The facts are on the side of the boomers - oil prices have been historically low, so this is a temporary spike. If you look at it that way.

I believe that current prices are probably above medium-term equilibrium  - due to overshoot and inelasticity - prices, but by how much is an open question. I wouldn't be surprised to see $80 again for a while at all. I wouldn't be madly surprised to see $200 either.  I would be surprised to see $20 again.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:23:50 PM EST
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"boomers" => "bubblists"
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:25:20 PM EST
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I'm on the anti-bubblist side.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:41:43 PM EST
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probably better stay away from the champagne region if you're wearing the t-shirt then.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 12:45:55 PM EST
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Elasticity is low both today an tomorrow. If we adjust to price by increasing fuel efficiency of vehicle, we only change level of consumption, not our ability to respond rapidly to price changes.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:05:47 PM EST
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Anyone who wants to bet real money that prices will be down to $80 a year from now stands to make an instant fortune over the next 12 months.

I think it's an unusually opaque market with quite a bit going on out of sight, so usual rules may not apply.

I would expect $80 if Iraqi production ramped up to pre-1990 levels, or the Falkland oil fields turn out to be substantial and not an investment trap, or if the US economy implodes in a spectacular 1929 kind of a way.

Iraq may be up to pre-1990 levels by 2010 or maybe 2012. The Falkland field is trading well as a speculation, but the rumours have been around for a decade and a half and there's no substantial output yet. The state of the US economy a year from now is anyone's guess.

China and India continue to grow and China continues to subsidise consumption, I think all we'll see is a move from Western use to Chinese and Indian use. So I'd be very surprised by $80. I'd also be surprised by $200. But a steady run at $120 and upwards doesn't seem so impossible.

I can imagine $100 at a stretch, but I'd guess that's at the lower end of likely.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:52:34 PM EST
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Colman:
The facts are ... spike. If you look at it that way.

I think you should say: "The fact is that, if you look at it that way, it's a spike".

(Proposition N°2: "The fact is that, if you look at it another way, it's not a spike")

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:13:17 PM EST
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Yup.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:13:50 PM EST
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BBC SPORT | Olympics | Iraq banned from Beijing Olympics

Athletes from Iraq have been banned from taking part at this summer's Beijing Games, the International Olympic Committee has announced.

The team was already the subject of an interim ban after the Iraqi government replaced the country's Olympic committee with its own appointees.

Under the IOC charter, all committees must be free of political influence.

As a result the team of two rowers, two sprinters, one archer, one weightlifter and one judo competitor cannot attend.



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:04:11 PM EST
All of this Obama in Berlin hubbub has got me thinking.  In addition to general wide-spread Obamamania in the states, the African American community is deeply invested in his campaign.  To the extent that anyone in Europe would care who the US President is, how big of a deal is Obama's candidacy among African and other "minority" Europeans?  When I first thought about it, I paused, because the experience of Africans in say France, isn't exactly the same as that of African Americans.  But then, Obama's own experience is probably closer to that of African immigrants to Europe than that of most African Americans, who can hardly be described as immigrants.  So, do the non-white non-ruling class folks in Europe appear particularly interested in Obama?  

When I was watching Obama and Karzai and Malaki, I was caught off guard by my reaction.  I know skin color really means nothing.  But that the leader-to-be of this huge bullying imperialist hegemonic country will look a lot more like the people said country is used to pushing around or marginalizing or enslaving gives me some kind of weird hope.  The clash of civilizations narrative, the colonialism narrative persists in part due to perceptions (even if actions are at the heart of it).  We don't LOOK alike.  The whole stupid "white Christain civilized man v. dark-skinned exotic savage" narrative is problematic when the one doing the pillaging is dark-skinned and thought by some to be Muslim.  I'm in no way suggesting that an Obama presidency would put an end to American hegemony.  But that it might drive us to look more deeply to explain its nature since it will be more difficult to categorize it as the status quo in a world where the white people have all the power and the dark skinned people are under their thumbs.  And the image we will have may not be reflective of reality - even if Obama is elected, the status quo won't change overnight or even maybe at all.  But don't underestimate the power of images.  It is very easy to got the "us/them" route when people look different.  White terrorists or a group of white kids roaming the streets don't scare many white people in the same way dark-skinned people doing the exact same thing does.  So what happens when the person you idolize looks more like your enemy than you, or when the person you demonize looks more like you than your enemy?  You can't then just let the imagery do all the work.  You have to begin to think of things more critically.  I hope I'm making sense.  Kcurie knows what I'm saying.

The symbolic imagery that connotes all kinds of historical injustice and division will dissipate.  A lot of Americans have complained (I don't think there will be much more after this trip) that they just struggle to "see" Obama as President.  There's nothing to reference for "young black man as US President." A paradigm shift is occurring the US.  I wonder if it's also being experienced abroad as a result of Obama's candidacy.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:09:05 PM EST
in my 2 minutes internet reprieve is that people here were rooting more for Obama than Hillary. I've read reports and impressions from Kenya that people are positively buzzed about Obama.

That Obama is pitted against the Bush-guy probably gives a considerable edge and overlap in perceptions, though. I've actually met a Bush fan recently, but it was the only one in 1.5 years.

Personal hunch: Obama as president can serve as another stepping stone to better self-confidence for Africans.

by Nomad on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 01:29:21 PM EST
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I think it's hard to get attitudes to race in the US from this side. I can completely 'see' Obama as president. I don't think he'll be the president people want him to be, but the seeing part isn't a problem.

I have no idea what black culture thinks of him elsewhere. I suppose to be honest, I don't see him as culturally very black. He wears an expensive suit. He wears a tie. He speaks in a certain way and has certain ideas. He's not so different to all of the other men in suits and ties around Washington who think and speak in a certain way.

I don't really get the tokenism behind the Clinton and Obama campaigns because canned narratives frighten and depress me.

Being black or a woman or gay or white or male doesn't inherently make you a certain kind of person. People behave how they behave - anyone can be generous, and anyone can be exploitative. Certain castes get more play than others, but tokenism always seems more about getting caste membership to be more permeable than about getting rid of the castes altogether.

Obama is in the political class, and that's how he appears to me. His heritage gives him an angle with a certain kind of leverage from a certain kind of narrative. But that doesn't mean the narrative is true - only that some people might want it to be.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:07:53 PM EST
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I think you maybe didn't read my comment?  Or entirely misunderstood it.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:11:37 PM EST
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It's odd for me, because I feel the same as you, but the racial thing still means something to me.  I guess, having grown up still dealing with the remnants of the Old South, I can't help but look at Obama and think, "We'll you motherfuckers into dust," when thinking of the Reps.  But, at the same time, I recognize that Obama's not some great departure from the past.  It's difficult to properly explain, emotionally.  But it's a very emotional fight for guys like me.  I want to beat these asshole badly. I've got something to prove.  Obama v McCain is obviously a proxy war for many of us in the South, and I really like to win that fight.

Hope that makes sense to at least some extent.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 09:45:05 PM EST
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So very many typos in that, but they're pretty easy to fill in, I think.  Drew no drinky so much.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:55:29 PM EST
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The SPIEGEL photos I linked below show a lot of black fans - but it is hard to tell whether they are Americans or not.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:17:16 PM EST
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Yes, I was looking at them (from a link in a dkos diary) & that's what got me thinking!  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:19:28 PM EST
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Looking at the Diary on Kos about the big Berlin party much of the attitude doea appear to be "OH MY GOD they're waving American flags, they do love us"

but if you are going to have a diary called They're waving American flags... then it would be better to have a picture with more flags in as your first major graphic in the story. Its wielder looks rather lonely in that crowd.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:22:54 PM EST
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Bernhard of Moon of Alabama estimated that one quarter of the crowd were Americans.

Then again, there is also the story that Obama requested a ban on placards and such.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 06:15:45 PM EST
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BTW, they have the McCain man in the BBC's photos of the event.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:37:33 PM EST
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Link?

Better yet, would you post it in the Salon?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 05:19:49 PM EST
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The reactions I've heard split roughly into camps:

  1. There's definitely a significant number who really believe that it can make a big difference, although as much to perceptions about race generally as to US policy. The US is the big kahuna still and if it can be led by a non-white, maybe it changes the status of non-whites everywhere.

  2. There are some who really believe Obama will make a big difference to US policy towards various non-white countries and see this as more of an impact than the symbolic side.

  3. Some are sort of hopeful that it can be a real policy change, but worry either that "he won't be allowed to win" or "something Kennedy like will happen if he does win."
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:22:05 PM EST
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Arctic has 90bn barrels of crude

The Arctic holds as much as 90bn barrels of undiscovered oil and has as much undiscovered gas as all the reserves known to exist in Russia, US government scientists have said in the first governmental assessment of the region's resources.

The report is likely to add impetus to the race among polar nations, such as Russia, the US, Denmark, Norway and Canada, for control of the region.

The US Geological Survey believes the Arctic holds 13 per cent of the world's undiscovered oil, while 1,669,000bn cubic feet of natural gas is equivalent to 30 per cent of the world's undiscovered gas reserves.

"The extensive Arctic continental shelves may constitute the geographically largest unexplored prospective area for petroleum remaining on earth," the USGS said.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:12:34 PM EST


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:16:27 PM EST
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Seems they've run into a bit of a snag up there.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 02:33:34 PM EST
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Speaking of Russia. My sister and her little family are back from visiting relatives in Moscow. I'll visit her to see photos and hear stories on the weekend. One thing she said that everyone in Moscow lives in concrete apartment blocks, and that there appear to be no pre-Soviet buildings outside the Kreml - which the native relative attributed to a 19th-century fire (I'm somewhat incredulous).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:09:38 PM EST
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everyone in Moscow lives in concrete apartment blocks, and that there appear to be no pre-Soviet buildings outside the Kreml - which the native relative attributed to a 19th-century fire (I'm somewhat incredulous).

What?

A lot of people live in concrete apartment blocks.  And a lot of pre-Soviet architecture is tucked away the shadows of newer buildings.    But there are apartments in the center, and homes outside the city.  And there are def. pre-Soviet buildings outside the Kremlin, in areas like Zamoskvorechye, Old Arbat, Ostozhenka ...

Jerome, you might appreciate this, from a Rick Steves Guide to Moscow I stubled upon:

"18:00 - Return to the center for dinner at Patio Pizza."

Bwahaha!  I'm slightly horrified if that is still in business.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:45:30 PM EST
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Shorter Stephen Moore: "Exploiting immigrants is the awesomest thang evah".

Who let this asshole in?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 03:33:38 PM EST
Funny comments in the Chicago Tribune's blog about Obama's Germany visit:


  • Again....I can't for the life of me understand why the media would cover this and not some millionare telling us the price of milk in the aisle of the handi mart.

  • Why wouldn't they love him, they're socialists...

  • Ich bin ein Obamer

  • Cups! Cups! We need more cups! We have all this Kool-Aid but we've run out of cups!


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:33:10 PM EST
omg.  I'm looking at the crowds in Germany.  Over 200,000 people.   I don't know how to break this to you guys, but it looks like Germany has been stricken with (drumroll...) Obamamania!  Sorry.  There's no known cure.


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:46:21 PM EST
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As you know, though, the Germans hate freedom.  How many photos of Obama holding his hand up, all Hitler-esque, from Faux News will we get?

Go, Berlin, I say.  We needed ya for a good photo op, and you half-commie bastards came through. ;)

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 08:42:03 PM EST
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I've got the internet back(!)

Strictly, I suppose, I was never without a connection.

It's just that the laptop and the PC both broke down.

I haven't suffered...I could give it up any time I want....gibber....

by Sassafras on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:39:58 PM EST
Welcome back! Good to know you could give it up.... :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 04:47:59 PM EST
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I can get on okay with conservative Reps and their lot, and Chuck Hagel is one of my boys.  He and I would disagree about almost everything, but he's coming out and protecting Obama on the surge.

Cheers to Chuck.  A true patriot.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 08:49:00 PM EST
I found something for her:

Eating the pancakes!

There is no wrong way to do this. The classic approach is to pile up 2-3 and pour syrup over them. Which kind of syrup is entirely your choice. For fun, you can sprinkle fruit, like blueberries or sliced strawberries over the top. Kids love chocolate chips placed between the layers. If you layer pancake-chocolate chips-pancake as they are coming off the pan, the chips melt nicely.

No mention of lemon ...

by Maryb2004 on Thu Jul 24th, 2008 at 10:46:21 PM EST
There is no wrong way to do this.

Includes lemon.

:-)

(PS I converted long ago to the Inclusivist persuasion, that says American-British-French pancakes or blini, eat them all!)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 25th, 2008 at 03:55:16 AM EST
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