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Bent Banana Boat Song

by afew
Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 05:53:43 AM EST

We were back on bananas the other day. ("Back" after my Peak Banana story, that is.) According to the Daily Telegraph, quoting Agriculture Commissioner Mariann Fischer Boel, the EU is about to do away with fruit and vegetable market regulation (more of that anon). An opportunity for the Telegraph to have another go at the "bent banana" and the "curved cucumber" meme that caused Europhobes such merriment in the mid-'90s: detailed quality standards for fruit and vegetables "caused international ridicule", according to the Telegraph, which should know since it was one of the British papers that campaigned (following the Sun's lead) to bring those quality standards into ridicule, before claiming, of course, that they had succeeded. The Sun couldn't pass up the chance of having another go:

So where did the Sun buy that banana, if it's supposed to be banned for bendiness? (Sorry, but just go and read a bit of the Sun, and you'll start writing alliterated drivel too.) The fact is that the much-mocked regulations never "outlawed" curved bananas. The operative rule is that the banana should be:

Commission Regulation (EC) No 2257/94 of 16 September 1994 laying down quality standards for bananas

free from malformation or abnormal curvature [my bold]

a rule that, like the one about straight cucumbers, has as much to do with packaging requirements as anything else.


In the Salon discussion, marco asked what teeth these regulations had. Are they just guidelines, or are there sanctions?

I'm not sure exactly what penalties may be applied, but tracing back from Commission Regulation 2257/94 quoted above, to previous texts on which it is based, we go from Council Regulation (EEC) No 404/93 of 13 February 1993, that refers back to Council Regulation (EEC) No 1319/85 of 23 May 1985, that refers back to:

Regulation (EEC) No 1035/72 of the Council of 18 May 1972 on the common organization of the market in fruit and vegetables

<...> Whereas, to ensure compliance with the quality standards and to secure uniform application, provision must be made for supervision and for obligatory penalties in case of non-compliance <...>

TITLE I Common standards

Article 2

1. Common standards (hereinafter called "quality standards") may be established, by product or group products, for products to be delivered fresh to the consumer.

Article 3

1. When quality standards have been established, products to which they apply may not be displayed or offered for sale, sold, delivered or marketed in any other manner within the Community unless they conform to the standards.

On that basis, it's clear these are not just guidelines.Whatever doesn't measure up to the standards (as currently defined) is not authorized for sale. The later rules do make it clear, however, that there's a "guiding" function involved, since they point out the need to improve quality, and they provide for support to producer organizations that encourage better practice among their members.

Common then Single Market

What struck me in looking back over these regulations, is that they seem to have sprung from needs felt at junctures when the EEC was enlarging and the market becoming therefore common to more countries, before becoming the Single Market. So, the 1972 Regulation precedes the January 1973 enlargement (UK, Ireland, Denmark, temporarily Norway). And the next major step, Council Regulation (EEC) No 1319/85 of 23 May 1985 on the reinforcement of supervision of the application of Community rules on fruit and vegetables precedes the entry of Spain and Portugal and the move towards the Single Market -- in application of which, along with the Treaty of Maastricht, comes more regulatory activity in the early '90s. As far as the "bent" banana is concerned, the important text is the Council Regulation (EEC) No 404/93 of 13 February 1993 on the common organization of the market in bananas

Council Regulation (EEC) No 404/93 of 13 February 1993

<...> Whereas there currently exist within the Member States of the Community producing bananas national market organizations which seek to ensure that producers can dispose of their products on the national market and receive an income in line with the costs of production; whereas these national market organizations impose quantitative restrictions which hamper achievement of a single market for bananas; whereas some of the Member States which do not produce bananas provide preferential outlets for bananas from the ACP States while others have liberal importation rules, which even in one case include a privileged tariff situation; whereas these different arrangements prevent the free movement of bananas within the Community and implementation of common arrangements for trade with third countries; whereas, for the purposes of achievement of the single market, a balanced and flexible common organization of the market for the banana sector must replace the various national arrangements; [my bold]

The references here are clear: it seems necessary to harmonise the different regulations and practices of an increasing number of Member States, so that goods may circulate in a single market. And it was on the basis of this regulation from the Council (the governing body of the EU, composed of the heads of government and ministers of the Member States), that the Commission wrote the detailed quality standard specifications that the Europhobes seized on.

It's perhaps worth remembering who championed the Single Market: none more than the Thatcher-led UK. Not that Thatcher wanted a regulated single market; not that she cared all that much about fruit and veg anyway. She stated her views on the single market in Bruges in 1988:

Margaret Thatcher on Britain and Europe - Wikisource

working more closely together does not require power to be centralised in Brussels or decisions to be taken by an appointed bureaucracy.

Indeed, it is ironic that just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions away from the centre, some in the Community seem to want to move in the opposite direction.

We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them reimposed at a European level, with a European super­state exercising a new dominance from Brussels.

<...>

The lesson of the economic history of Europe in the 1970s and 1980s is that central planning and detailed control don't work, and that personal endeavour and initiative do. That a State­-controlled economy is a recipe for low growth; and that free enterprise within a framework of law brings better results.

The aim of a Europe open to enterprise is the moving force behind the creation of the Single European Market by 1992. By getting rid of barriers, by making it possible for companies to operate on a Europe­wide scale, we can best compete with the United States, Japan and the other new economic powers emerging in Asia and elsewhere.

And that means action to free markets, action to widen choice, action to reduce government intervention. Our aim should not be more and more detailed regulation from the centre: it should be to deregulate and to remove the constraints on trade.

Britain has been in the lead in opening its markets to others.

The City of London has long welcomed financial institutions from all over the world, which is why it is the biggest and most successful financial centre in Europe.

<...>

Regarding monetary matters, let me say this. The key issue is not whether there should be a European Central Bank. The immediate and practical requirements are:

to implement the Community's commitment to free movement of capital - in Britain we have it; and to the abolition throughout the Community of the exchange controls - in Britain we abolished them in 1979;
to establish a genuinely free market in financial services, in banking, insurance, investment;
to make greater use of the ecu. Britain is this autumn issuing ecu­denominated Treasury bills, and hopes to see other Community governments increasingly do the same.

These are the real requirements because they are what Community business and industry need, if they are to compete effectively in the wider world. And they are what the European consumer wants, for they will widen his choice and lower his costs.

Well, it's all there, and I won't comment on its almost innocent hubris. The point is that no provision is to be made, in this Anglo version of the Single Market, for the practical details of allowing goods to circulate under the same conditions throughout the zone: finance and big business are the only concerns, and they require deregulation. Laissez faire (the big money), and to the devil with the rest.

Was it necessary, all the same, to go to such detail in the banana quality specs? Why, don't all specifications go into detail? What the market fundies want is simply no specifications at all. The current Commission seems to agree with them:

Agriculture and Rural Development - Newsroom

23/07/2008 Repeal of fruit and vegetable marketing standards moves a step closer

European Union Member States yesterday held a preliminary vote on Commission proposals to repeal specific marketing standards for 26 types of fruit and vegetables. While not binding, the vote gives a strong indication that these standards will be repealed when the formal vote is taken later in the year. The Member States did not reach a qualified majority either for or against the proposal. If, after allowing time for appropriate scrutiny by our trading partners, this vote were repeated later in the year, the rules would be repealed under the Commission's responsibility. The Commission's initiative to get rid of these standards followed a declaration made last year during the reform of the Common Market Organisation for fruit and vegetables. It is a major element in the Commission's ongoing efforts to streamline and simplify the rules and cut red tape. The proposal would also allow Member States to exempt fruit and vegetables from specific marketing standards if they are sold with a label "products intended for processing" or equivalent wording. Such products could be either misshapen or under-sized and could for example be used by consumers for cooking or salads etc. In this era of high prices and growing demand, it makes no sense to throw these products away or destroy them. "This is a concrete example of our drive to cut red tape and I will continue to push until it goes through," said Mariann Fischer Boel, Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development. "It shouldn't be the EU's job to regulate these things. It is far better to leave it to market operators. It will also cut down on unnecessary waste and benefit consumers." The proposals would maintain specific marketing standards for 10 products which account for 75 percent of the value of EU trade: apples, citrus fruit, kiwi fruit, lettuces, peaches and nectarines, pears, strawberries, sweet peppers, table grapes, tomatoes. Member States could exempt even these from the standards if they were sold in the shops with an appropriate label. They would abolish specific standards for 26 products: apricots, artichokes, asparagus, aubergines, avocadoes, beans, Brussels sprouts, carrots, cauliflowers, cherries, courgettes, cucumbers, cultivated mushrooms, garlic, hazelnuts in shell, headed cabbage, leeks, melons, onions, peas, plums, ribbed celery, spinach, walnuts in shell, water melons, witloof/chicory, while setting new general minimum standards for the marketing of fruit and vegetables. For practical reasons, all of these changes would be implemented from 1 July 2009.

Wow. The Commission is working its butt off cutting red tape. Fischer Boel is determined. The Sun and the Torygraph are gloating. The "rules would be repealed". So what does this mean?

The proposal would also allow Member States to exempt fruit and vegetables from specific marketing standards if they are sold with a label "products intended for processing" or equivalent wording. Such products could be either misshapen or under-sized and could for example be used by consumers for cooking or salads etc

If there are no more standards, anything goes, right? So what's with the "exemption" and the special labelling? And "intended for processing" means, er, "could be used for cooking or salads". Apart from eat them cooked or raw, what else can you do with fruit and veg? (Please, no links to specialised web sites). As for "throwing away" and "destruction", this has mostly been done (organized and paid for) in periods of glut, especially when European farming was over-producing, which is no longer the case.

So it boils down to the indomitable Fischer Boel saying, pretty much, what Maggie said: "It shouldn't be the EU's job to regulate these things". Well, it's a point of view. Pity that in fact, then, as the press release above shows, regulations will remain for 75% of EU fruit and veg trade.

And, however the Sun and Telegraph may crow, bananas are not on the list of 26 products for which specific standards may be abolished. They may get "new minimum standards", but they'll still be regulated.

Europe is incorrigible. The Euro-bashers are not going to be out of a job.... And Fischer Boel is posturing?

Or did Europe have its eye on the wrong ball in regulating foodstuff quality standards?

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In the Salon discussion referred to, DoDo linked to a NYT article on Euromyths propagated by Europhobes. It's worth a read.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:01:13 AM EST
is that financial products are amongst those most tightly regulated, because, in order to be able to trade them freely and have liquidity, you have to define with exacting precision what you are trading, so that everybody buys and sells the same thing, in order for the price to actually mean something.

But hey, never mind.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:22:44 AM EST
As I implied above, there is plenty of commentary possible on Thatcher's naive/misleading speech!

And it seems to me the rationale behind product specifications in the fruit and veg market shared at least some of the points you make about financial products. The EEC was addressing the problem of creating a single market out of several that had different regulations, a fact that got in the way of smooth exchanges.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:43:03 AM EST
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It's the narrative, stupid.

It's the local spin on smear-and-fear - in the same way that the Democrats are the whipping boys (and girls) of the right in the US, the EU is the right's favourite easy target in the UK, and some of the other more authoritarian euro-states.

The facts are incidental.

What's more worrying is that Brussels sails on obliviously, and then wonders why the UK and the other Atlanticist states act so belligerently and uncooperatively.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 06:57:18 AM EST
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How do you see an un-oblivious Brussels dealing with this kind of thing?

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:01:07 AM EST
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Less formal top down PR. Official Brussels PR is very stiff - it's not press-hostile, but Wallstrom et al seem to work on the principle that it's enough to announce that such-and-such an event is happening, and this makes it inherently interesting.

What's needed is positive story-making - before and afters featuring local regeneration projects, arts funding, innovation funding, and such.

Without that the gap is obvious and easy to fill with negative stories.

This wouldn't be a complete answer, but it would be an improvement on what's happening at the moment.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:28:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It would be a great improvement, certainly. Though it wouldn't stop the Atlanticist member states' hostility, or the shit-stirring of the (Murdoch and Murdoch-style) press.

Another aspect to this is the longstanding refusal of the US to accept the EU banana trade regime set up by 404/93 (see above). This concerns the preferred status of ACP countries and the alleged harm caused to US (Chiquita) interests. There's an excellent legal summary up to 2001:

ASIL Insight--US-EU Banana Dispute

Prior to 1992 each of the 12 EU member states had its own banana import regime. Germany operated on a free market system and had no import restrictions. The other 11 members imposed a 20% tariff, and 6 members (France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Greece, and the UK) also applied quotas on bananas produced in Central and South America. These latter restrictions were designed to protect the EU market for bananas produced in former EU territories and in the ACP countries (developing countries in Africa, the Caribbean and the Pacific) that entered duty free under the Lomé Convention.(2) As part of its 1992 integration program the EU established, effective July 1, 1993, an EU-wide banana trade regime.

<...>

In September 1994 Chiquita Brands International and the Hawaii Banana Industry Association filed a petition under section 302(a) of the 1974 Trade Act challenging both the EU regime and the Framework Agreement on the grounds that they were discriminatory and reduced US companies' share of the EU market by more than 50%.

The petition was the first section 301 petition filed under the Clinton Administration and as such was regarded as a test of the new Administration's commitment to use US trade laws aggressively to protect US interests. Noting this, fifty members of the House, including members of the leadership, wrote to the US Trade Representative (USTR) urging acceptance of the petition.

Common Cause released a study at the time identifying the chairman and CEO of Chiquita International Brands, Inc., and affiliated companies and executives as among the largest contributors to the Democratic and Republican parties in the 1993-94 election cycle. This revelation raised questions as to the true motives of the Administration in pursuing Chiquita's case, particularly in light of the fact, much noted by critics, that the Chiquita facilities allegedly injured by the EU banana policy are located outside the US and have a largely non-US workforce.  

The dispute is ongoing and was part of the wrangling before the collapse of the Doha Round talks in Geneva this week.

It would obviously be paranoid of anyone to suggest any causal link between:

Chiquita (ex United Fruit) => US gov't => Murdoch => Sun (+ rightwing press in general) => stupid EU banana regulations meme.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 08:41:14 AM EST
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afew:
Though it wouldn't stop the Atlanticist member states' hostility, or the shit-stirring of the (Murdoch and Murdoch-style) press.

It's going to take a generation to organise a push-back.

Then again, Murdoch will be dead soon. None of his children seem likely to want to step into his shoes.

The point for the EU in the meantime is that a counter position is better than no voice at all.

afew:

It would obviously be paranoid of anyone to suggest any causal link between:

Chiquita (ex United Fruit) => US gov't => Murdoch => Sun (+ rightwing press in general) => stupid EU banana regulations meme.

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Doha was interesting because it's clear that China and India are more than happy to throw the EU and the US under the proverbial bus. The line seems to have been 'You have nothing we want' - and they're probably right about that.

So bananas may not be the most significant of problems at the moment. Without an export market for the EU and the US, the only way out of a depression will be massive Keynesian spending - and given the neocon lock down on policy, that's not going to be a popular suggestion.

Thinking about possible exports which China and India might be likely to buy could be more useful than trying to bully them from a position of assumed superiority.

Green tech remains an obvious economy leader there.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 09:09:35 AM EST
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Agree with the first part.

I'm not sure I'd go that far.

Neither am I, with the possible exception of the early '90s.

Of course the banana business (without mentioning major doubts about plantation sustainability) is a sideshow compared to the Doha stakes.

Green innovation is a lifeline, both for exports and Keynesian spending at home.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 09:30:46 AM EST
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it's clear that China and India are more than happy to throw the EU and the US under the proverbial bus. The line seems to have been 'You have nothing we want' - and they're probably right about that.

Given that China sells about twice as much to the US and EU as it buys from them, I'd say there is leverage there in terms of trade relations...

But of course, most of Chinese trade to the EU and the US is done by US and EU multinational companies, so you have the interests of these vs everybody else dialectic to take into account.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:34:03 AM EST
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That's the picture now. That won't be the picture five years from now. And this round of Doha has been about future planning as the US transitions through whatever it's about to transition through.

As I read it, the point was that the Chinese are perfectly happy to keep selling crap to the EU and US. They know it's crap, the importers know it's crap, the multinationals know it's crap, but my guess is that the Chinese think that if it's possible to keep getting paid real money - or at least reasonably convincing IOUs - for crap, they're still ahead of the game.

What they're not so happy about is opening their own territories to trade in the other direction. I'd guess EU/US goods still carry an image premium, and too much bread and butter competition would see money heading back out of those territories to the West - which is not part of the plan.

Therefore - deadlock, especially over staples like textiles.

What's not obvious in the West is that the West isn't an essential trading partner. Money is accumulating in Russia, India, the Gulf States, and South America, and five or ten years from now it's not a given that most of China's trade will be with the EU and US.

The EU and US seem to believe it is a given. But unless there's a significant technological lead - as with green tech - that's wishful thinking and inertia, not reality.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 11:20:14 AM EST
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Don't mix the US which has a huge trade deficit, with Europe, which has an essentially balanced trade. As Crazy Horse has noted for wind turbine manufacturing, quality matters, and Europe increasingly has the lead there.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 11:44:06 AM EST
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I'm not convinced the deficit matters from the Chinese pov - only local throughput, because that's what keeps people busy and 'growth' happening.

What the Chinese want to avoid is spending money abroad on manufactured items which could be made at home. (Albeit at lower quality.)

If EU trade is balanced, they won't be seeing a lot of room to move. So I suspect they won't be interested in windmills unless they're much, much better than they can make themselves.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 12:07:49 PM EST
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But of course, most of Chinese trade to the EU and the US is done by US and EU multinational companies, so you have the interests of these vs everybody else dialectic to take into account.

When EU/US firms (e.g. Nokia, Apple, GE) have goods manufactured in China that are then sold in the US or EU, do these still count as "Chinese exports to the US/EU"?

Cynicism is intellectual treason.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 09:57:10 PM EST
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Do you think Thatcher was niave?  Reading that excerpt reminded me that last week I said to somebody - 'saying it, doesn't make it so'. Except, said enough times convincingly...

Great diary and an interesting read, thanks.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:41:53 AM EST
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I don't know where Thatcher was on the naive to cynical scale. This speech feels naive in its unqualified assertions and its historical judgements that, with hindsight, raise a smile.

But yes, it worked. The current Commission is still paddling down that river. Fischer Boel talks Thatcher talk. Regulation = red tape, gets in the way of individual effort and enterprise. It's bollocks, but it's very easy to believe.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 07:58:42 AM EST
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Fisher Boel is the Danish commissioner. Remember what I said here about Danish EU politicians? Deadbeats, fuckups and embarassments that are too well-connected to purge outright?

Well, Fisher Boel is a text-book example. A political (and intellectual) non-entity with a rich and well-connected daddy. I don't remember what she did to get banished to Bruxelles, but I remember sighing with relief that we would at least be rid of her back home.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:35:08 AM EST
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What I found interesting was that in that speech, you read between the lines and come away with the clear inference that once all this high finance stuff is fully deregulated and mobile, the ecu will naturally take it's place as the currency...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 08:00:21 AM EST
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Well, Britain was supposed to go into the euro...

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 08:46:01 AM EST
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Thatcher's argument is flawed:

We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain ...

Now combine with:

The lesson of the economic history of Europe in the 1970s and 1980s is that central planning and detailed control don't work, and that personal endeavour and initiative do.

So, the previous conditions "the frontiers of the state" that provided the evidence for "personal endeavour" being superior to "central planning" have been "rolled back."

Thus, the conditions Thatcher is using as supporting evidence have been destroyed, meaning an historic (environmental) discontinuity, meaning her evidence is no longer affective in the environment she created.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:38:29 AM EST
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The EEC was addressing the problem of creating a single market out of several that had different regulations, a fact that got in the way of smooth exchanges.

Yep. And now there's a functioning single market that can decide its own standards and grades based on demand, such tight regulation is no longer so necessary. Seems like a simple, pragmatic change quite unrelated to ideology to me.

The financial market, on the other hand... might need some work.


by bobince ([and](at)doxdesk(dot)[com]) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 08:39:13 AM EST
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Yes, I think that may be true (that the market may no longer need this set of regulations). My view of the "ideology" element comes from Mariann Fischer Boel's own words. She seems to me to be dressing this up as an ideological decision.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 08:44:39 AM EST
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Citizens of ET, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FORGIVE ME!

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2se2I70CJ0&feature=related

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 09:38:53 AM EST


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:28:51 AM EST
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Thank You!  I'm still new at this stuff.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 11:31:41 AM EST
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New User Guide, How Do I Embed A Video?

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 12:04:53 PM EST
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Thank You, mighty one.  I will incorporate this info into my future doings.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 03:39:53 PM EST
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Keep calling me mighty one, it works wonders for my ego.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 04:13:21 PM EST
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Mighty One, Mighty One, Mighty One

Is it giving you a hard-on (or the female equivalent)?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 07:12:54 AM EST
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But...this is a new variety. Known as the Peyronie Banana, it is to be marketed to women with the slogan "Every girl loves a curl"
by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:05:08 AM EST


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