A lasting legacy

by DoDo
Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:20:05 AM EST

This morning in the Ferencváros district of Budapest, 16,000 people were evacuated in a one-kilometre radius around a construction site. The reason: an unexploded 2-ton British or American bomb from WWII found while demolishing an old mill.

Two men look at the bomb hiding deep in a hole. from Index.hu.

Just two weeks ago, in another district, it was the same procedure for 10,000 people when an American 500-kg bomb was found at another construction site.

Concrete apartment block dwellers wait on the street until they can return to their homes. Photo by Zsófia Pályi from [origo].

Modern Europe is full of history. We are still living with the legacy of WWII 63 years on - and, by the experience of the communities along the onetime Western Front, will continue to do so for decades. Which makes me think of former Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq: they can also 'look forward' to live with our (US, NATO & CotW) dud bombs for some time.


Both of the above mentioned bombs must have been destined for important railway marshalling yards.

Bombs explode in and around Ferencváros marshalling yard in Budapest, 17 September 1944 (compare to present look on FlashEarth). Photo from 450th Bomb Group, via Index.hu.

Here is how a 1-ton (2000-lbs) bomb looked when new and making someone happy:

Photo from 303rd Bomb Group, via Index.hu.

...and here is how a 500 kg (1000 lbs) dud bomb looks 63 years after it was dropped:

Photo from Index.hu.
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Gung-ho warriors and liberal interventionists alike need to be reminded that wars have effects decades after the guns go silent - in fact they don't go silent but duds may go off decades later.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:20:44 AM EST
It's the price of freedom!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:28:06 AM EST
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theage.com.au - The Age
More than 240,000 cluster bombs were dropped on Iraq, the report shows. Australia refuses to use these weapons, which were said by doctors to have caused injuries to children during allied bombing raids....

A higher percentage of unguided munitions than expected had been dropped - nearly 10,000 as against nearly 20,000 precision bombs and missiles - but the proportion of smart weapons was still more than double that used in Kosovo and six times that used in the first Gulf War. It was a new trend in warfare, he said.

About half the precision guided munitions were laser-guided bombs and more than 800 Tomahawk cruise missiles were launched at Iraq.



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:42:30 AM EST
ITVS: Bombies - Cluster Bombs
  • During the Gulf War over 30 million cluster bomblets were dropped on Kuwait and Iraq and, in the following months, unexploded bombs killed 1,600 civilians and injured another 2,500.

  • According to a recent study by the Red Cross, children in Kosovo are five times more likely to be killed or injured by a NATO-dropped unexploded cluster bomb than by a Serbian landmine.


Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:53:10 AM EST
good for australia!

better if they had not joined the coalition at all, but anyway...

thanks dodo. cluster bombs are, along with depleted uranium, unspeakably vile inventions, which should make us furious they are used, in our name, paid for by our taxes.

utterly shameful, how can people allow themselves to become so completely immoral?

"These days, there's nothing more ridiculous than the truth." Leonard Pitts Jr

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 05:55:49 AM EST
It keeps reminding me of Nomad's profound sig:  "Lack of empathy is the core of evil"

<(No empathy, ´no consequences´.
´No consequences´, no immorality.
No immorality, no problem.)>

No job description ever requires empathy, or human feeling, so there is no problem for the deciders, scribes, paper pushers and factory workers.  ´Just keeping their job´.  >-:

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 02:57:30 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Special Report | 1998 | 10/98 | World War I | Legacies of the Great War

There are stories of careless tourists and souvenir hunters and "experts" who knew just a little less than they thought who have crippled, poisoned or blown themselves up in the last few years tampering with shells, mines and grenades found lying around.

Eighty years after the guns fell silent the bomb disposal squad from this area is still finding and then defusing or destroying hundreds of tonnes of unexploded ammunition every year.

It sometimes seems that the shadow this Great War cast over this unhappy ground will never lift.

As the shell cases begin to rot, toxic chemicals begin to poison The soil and seep, slowly into the water supply.

Ask how long this work might last and you get a shrug, "Three, four hundred years, hard to say."



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 06:12:29 AM EST
People in regions without this legacy may not be aware how commonplace such WWII bomb finds are.

27 July, Braunschweig/Germany (150 kg bomb, 5,000 evacuated):

17 July, Kjeller/Norway (phosphorus bomb, 47 evacuated):

15 July, Berlin/Germany (500 kg bomb, 5,000 evacuated):



9 July, Bologna/Italy (250 lbs bomb) found at high speed rail connection work site:

30 June, Graz/Austria (250 kg bomb, 131 evacuated):

2 July, Brunn am Gebirge/Austria (500 kg bomb, highway and main road closed):

People are not always lucky: 23 October 2006, near Aschaffenburg/Germany (one highway construction worker dead):



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 06:49:42 AM EST
Three more pictures from Index...

The bomb itself:

Archive photo of a 4000-pound bomb (no idea what the number is on its side):

Empty main street after evacuation:



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 07:08:06 AM EST
Even more spectacular:



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:46:47 AM EST
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Does anybody know how often such a bomb is an emergency that has to be defused immediately, and how often can they stop construction work and wait for a convenient time? Over here, they seem to usually manage to close the Brenner highway and train line for bomb removal on Sunday morning, when it will be least disruptive and can be announced in advance.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 07:09:39 AM EST
Hm, first time I hear of such delayed de-fusings, so I am guessing it's not frequent...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:48:11 AM EST
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As usual, police organisers weren't on top of the situation... evacuation took eight hours, until 16:45, with locals not getting any information (or getting wrong information) during their long waits for police.

Then the final dig-out and de-fusing of the bomb took only a little over one hour...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:30:30 PM EST
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Contrary to initial guesses, the bomb proved to be a German Luftwaffe SB-1000 ('only' 1000 kg). And de-fusing was quick because the bomb shell was empty. All that evacuation for naught.

So, was it de-fused 63 years ago already, but the shell left there for some stupid reason? Or was this sabotage by some forced-labourers at an armory factory?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:24:33 PM EST
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(or cost-cutting by the manufacturer...)

Actually, what's strange is that an empty bomb shell would be loaded on a plane : at the time that was done more or less manually and the weight difference woud have been noticed ?

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:44:21 PM EST
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Maybe it was manufactured where it was found or somewhere nearby, and something happened (air raid, shelling, the Red Army took the city, whatever) and everybody suddenly had more pressing concerns than properly disposing of an unarmed bomb.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 10:40:00 AM EST
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Here in Germany they usually try to defuse the bombs as fast as possible.
They are usually found during construction works. And since nobody knows how the shocks and tremors from that work have influenced the fuse...
It is thought that it´s safer to be fast.
by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:00:45 AM EST
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Same in the UK, immediate evacuation irrespective of disruption and defusing starts asap.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 02:03:09 PM EST
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I was always a bit puzzled by the Alto Adige closings, and now that I think about it I realize that I never read any details about the actual bombs. I wonder whether it might have been a precaution before doing construction work in an area known to have a high risk of containing bombs? I know that the U.S has made available details of each bombing raid (types of bombs, where dropped etc) as well as aerial pictures from which one can get some idea as to which exploded, so it's just possible that they've done the hard work of correlating them, at least for very sensitive areas next to the highway/railway lines.

On a related topic, I once saw, in the Dolomites (Brenta, I think), a warning not to go past a fence because of the risk of mines. Yes, there are still left-over mines from the first world war.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 04:04:39 PM EST
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