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by Jerome a Paris
Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:08:26 AM EST

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As carriers from American Airlines to Thai Airway International are responding to a new era of high oil prices by shedding jobs, culling routes and grounding aircraft, Middle Eastern carriers are expanding as fast as they can in hopes of redefining their region as the aviation crossroads of the globe.

"There is no sign of a crisis there," said Thomas Enders, the chief executive of Airbus, during an interview shortly before handing over the jet to the sheik. "These airlines are on a very impressive growth path and expansion course; they are steering a steady course while others are experiencing more difficulties."

This IHT article focuses on the Gulf region, but I am more impressed by the growth rates for Europe in the attached graph...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:22:33 AM EST
Russian Air Carriers at Risk of Mass Bankruptcy :: Russia-InfoCentre
The fuel prices have risen over 40% within the last six months. Aviation experts express an opinion that Russia will face mass bankruptcy of air carriers, if the fuel prices rise 20%.


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 02:10:19 PM EST
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If the oil producing countries had any brains they'd stop selling oil and start selling the products and services that require oil.  

Air flight, for example.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 06:56:01 PM EST
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Ummm...I think that's what Etihad and Emirates are all about....
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:01:28 PM EST
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my diary of the day. Where's yours?

Ah, that reminds me....

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:35:08 AM EST
Images of Sofia

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:17:51 PM EST
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I enjoy teacherken's diaries, even if some of them are really just warm fuzzies. But this one says things that need to be said

But the oath or affirmation made by the President does NOT mention "safety" or "security."  Read it:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

  It is not to defend the nation and people, but to defend the Constitution, to preserve, protect and defend.  In that oath or affirmation, the Founders made clear their understanding that it was the Constitution which protects and defends the people, the nation.  The rationale that leads to justification of torture is the same rationale that we heard in Vietnam, that in order to save the village we had to destroy it.   This administration is arguing that in order to save the Constitution they have to violate it, and that argument is tantamount to justifying tyranny and dictatorship, it has no place in a liberal democracy constitutionally defined.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:38:19 AM EST
The FT has an article about the ridiculously low R&D budgets of the oil companies:


For such a technically complex industry, the oil and gas business spends remarkably little on research and development.

Royal Dutch Shell, which has the biggest commitment of any oil company, came a mere 104th in a global ranking of companies by R&D spending in 2006-07 compiled by Britain's Department for Business and Enterprise.

Even its 2007 expenditure of $1.2bn would have only just pushed it into the top 50.

Arguably, the figures are misleading. Developing an oilfield often means pushing back the frontiers of what is technically possible, just like R&D, but it is not defined as such under standard accounting rules.

The oil and gas industry has made great technical progress in the past two decades with innovations such as horizontal drilling.

For the big international companies, however, there is little competitive advantage in these innovations.

The technology is either widely held, or in the hands of service companies, which began to overtake the big integrated oil companies in the mid-1990s and are now far ahead in terms of numbers of new patents granted.

"International oil companies' R&D spending was quite high in the 1980s but was slashed at the insistence of the financial community," says Robin West, of PFC Energy, the consultancy. "Anything that didn't generate cash today was viewed very sceptically."



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:49:49 AM EST

Home-Price Declines Accelerate

The S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index, a closely watched gauge of U.S. home prices, show price declines continued to worsen in May, with every region measured showing year-over-year drops for the second straight month.

According to the indices, home prices in 10 major metropolitan areas fell by a record 17% from a year earlier and 1% from April. In 20 major metropolitan areas, home prices dropped 16% from a year earlier -- another record drop -- and 0.9% from April.

(...)

Year-over-year, Las Vegas and Miami were again the weakest markets, each posting 28% declines. They were also the worst performers month-to-month, with Las Vegas down 2.9% and Miami dropping 3.6%.

David M. Blitzer, chairman of Standard & Poor's index committee, noted home prices have been dropping by the indices' measurements since August 2006. As prices swoon in the Sun Belt, where they had surged the most during the bubble, he noted the Northeast is "cyclical but less volatile" and the Midwest is facing "difficult local economies."



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 10:12:54 AM EST
The US & UK markets are entering into different areas.

The US market is deeply afflicted with over-supply and the property market may have a long way to fall, especially if the recession leads to substantial layoffs.

Conversely the UK seems to have a market where prices drop but property remains unaffordable due to the tightening of credit rules, ie a return to some kind of fiscal common sense.

Yet there remains considerable demand in the UK due to considerable under-supply. Unfortunately most of this has been in executive style houses which may maximise the revenues of the builders, but actually fail to address where the demand exists in the market, which is for cheap starter homes for the low waged.

Of course, in the past this demand would have been met by the use of low rent local authority managed Social housing, but the right wing parties who have (mis)ruled the UK for 30 years have rendered this common sense solution politically unacceptable. So we now have expensive houses that can't be sold because there is no demand for them and a huge demand for cheap housing that won't be built due to our enslavement to "market forces".

And gordon, you can't have "hard-working families" if they can't afford to have children cos they haven't got somewhere decent to live.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 10:35:25 AM EST
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Charlotte finally started dropping.  And, with that, I believe they're all now in the red.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:41:06 AM EST
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Asimov sci-fi epic "Foundation" coming to screens - Yahoo! News

NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - The ousted founders of downsized studio New Line Cinema are producing an adaptation of the Isaac Asimov sci-fi epic "Foundation."

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The project marks the first undertaking for Bob Shaye and Michael Lynne, who set up their own banner called Unique Features earlier this month after exiting New Line when the ailing studio was absorbed by its bigger corporate sibling Warner Bros.

One of the best series in science fiction (well, at least until Second Foundation) reaches the big screen. This could be monumental - or a monumental failure.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:02:05 AM EST
given what a mess they made of dune, I'm not hopeful. Good films are made of short stories or novellas.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:53:39 AM EST
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Arthur C. Clarke has a last novel coming out:

Arthur C. Clarke's last vision

Arthur C. Clarke's health was failing fast, but he still had a story to tell. So he turned to fellow science fiction writer Frederik Pohl, and together the longtime friends wrote what turned out to be Clarke's last novel.

"The Last Theorem," which grew from 100 pages of notes scribbled by Clarke, is more than a futuristic tale about a mathematician who discovers a proof to a centuries-old mathematical puzzle.

"As much as anything, it'll be a historic artifact," says Robin Wayne Bailey, a former president of Science Fiction Writers of America and a writer. "This is a book between two of the last remaining giants in the field."



Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:48:16 AM EST
Economics: Eurozone may beat Britain to recession
The news from the single currency bloc is bad and the prospects look even worse
By Ashley Seager, The Guardian

Just as Friday's growth figures suggested Britain is tipping into recession, across the Channel it suddenly looks as if the eurozone might beat us to it.

The data flow last week from the 15-member bloc was simply awful...

The eurozone economy is deteriorating much faster than anyone had thought. Last Thursday brought a torrent of bad news, starting with the purchasing managers' survey of the eurozone economy. This takes a monthly snapshot of the mood and activity levels among companies. The results of similar surveys in Britain had already turned down sharply but the eurozone is now catching up...

All these readings suggest the eurozone economy may have stalled in the second quarter, while inflation remains high - very similar to Britain, even though you might expect the UK to be in worse shape.

But the bottom line for Britain is that you would not want to bet on exports to the eurozone coming to the rescue any time soon. In fact,, it is difficult to see anything coming to the rescue of the British economy.

by Magnifico on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:09:47 PM EST
Europe.Is.Doomed

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:22:08 PM EST
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Don't joke, this is Ashley Seager writing!

(And he's renowned for neutral, objective reporting on Europe!)

Like it or not, Europe.IS.Doomed!

<breathless>

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:28:03 PM EST
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Europe is doomed. We are ALL doomed.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:30:31 PM EST
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Just read Jerome's sig!

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 04:32:05 PM EST
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My ISA is largely based on European stocks and shares. It was supposed to become a mortgage deposit.
I've already seen it lose loads of money. I can't see myself ever owning my own place now unless I find myself a job with a massive salary...

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 12:29:57 PM EST
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Ha, I saw that and all I could imagine was Jerome muttering "Europe is so Doomed" while steam came out of his ears

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:19:36 PM EST
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Need to harness that "Jerome" steam to a turbine and generate electricity. Europe is Doomed™ is a unlimited, renewable resource.
by Magnifico on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:51:56 PM EST
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plus even after death wind him with wire and use him as a generator. I can't see them stopping saying things that will have him spinning in his grave anytime soon.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 02:00:01 PM EST
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Seattle Post-Intelligencer | 'Extreme Makeover' house faces foreclosure

LAKE CITY, Ga. -- More than 1,800 people showed up to help ABC's "Extreme Makeover" team demolish a family's decrepit home and replace it with a sparkling, four-bedroom mini-mansion in 2005.

Three years later, the reality TV show's most ambitious project at the time has become the latest victim of the foreclosure crisis.

After the Harper family used the two-story home as collateral for a $450,000 loan, it's set to go to auction on the steps of the Clayton County Courthouse Aug. 5. The couple did not return phone calls Monday, but told WSB-TV they received the loan for a construction business that failed.

MOVE. THAT. BUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:02:48 PM EST
CBS | Alaska Senator Indicted On Corruption Charges"

Sen Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, has been indicted on corruption charges, CBS News has learned.

The FBI, working with an Alaska oil contractor, secretly taped telephone calls with Sen. Ted Stevens as part of a public corruption sting it was reported late last year, according to people close to the investigation.

The secret recordings suggest the Justice Department was eyeing Stevens long before June 2007, when the Republican senator first publicly acknowledged he was under scrutiny. At that time, it appeared Stevens was a new focus in a case that had already ensnared several state lawmakers.

The recorded calls between Stevens and businessman Bill Allen were confirmed by two people close to the case who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still under way. They declined to say how many calls were recorded or what was said.

Bye, Ted.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:06:30 PM EST
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Wouldn't it be easier to just name the republicans who aren't dirty ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 01:16:42 PM EST
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¨Shall I release the crickets now, Mr De Mille...?¨
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:44:26 PM EST
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He's being primaried to boot.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 07:01:03 PM EST
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Yes, by a filthy rich guy who, I've read, is even worse.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 07:37:54 PM EST
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The strange continues ...

How about flipping Alaska?  That'd be one for the books.  

Meanwhile, polling (from FiveThirtyEight has Obama inching ahead of McCain with 303 EV to 235 for the Mc-in-Fritter.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 07:57:40 PM EST
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I'm not sure we're going to have an incredibly good shot in Alaska, although let's wait and see how the Ted Stevens thing plays out.

Of the western states, I think Montana and the Dakotas may be the potential surprises.  Last poll I saw out of North Dakota had it dead even.  McCain was either +2 or +4 in SD, and Obama was +5 in Montana.

North Carolina still looks tight, although I won't believe we have a real shot until Obama at least pulls even in one poll, and really only if he takes a lead in one.  Both are in the mid- to low-40s there, so plenty of room to grow, and Obama could pull out those extra few points with a huge black turnout.

Michigan and Pennsylvania seem to have come home to the Dems.  My sense is that Ohio's pretty tight, perhaps a slight McCain lead prior to O's Mid-East/Yurp trip, but it's all about economics there.

All of the polling aggregators have Obama currently holding about 300 EVs, give or take a bit.  I'd love the big 375+ landslide, but I'll damned sure take 300 -- or 270, for that matter (a win is a win, after all).

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:16:39 PM EST
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It's way too early to use polls to predict EVs.  

I use polls this far out to see whose developing a baseline of support.  

(Dinner Time!  Yeah!  I'm starving.)


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:25:15 PM EST
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Of the western states, I think Montana and the Dakotas may be the potential surprises.

Note that "surprises" is the operative word there.  Obviously New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada are going to be higher up on the swing state list.

Which is why I think Peyote Bill is the Veep.  Note that he never appears on the lists that are "leaked," despite the fact that we all know he's on the shortlist.  Throw the press off the trail and all that with Guv'nuh Timmeh.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:27:01 PM EST
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You know, maybe you can tell me, AT.  What the hell is going on with McCain?  He really seems to be losing his shit the last couple weeks.  Not just the senility.  We all saw that.  But the nastiness and cluelessness and generally being completely unhinged.

Should he really be so desperate so early?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 07:41:47 PM EST
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In my opinion, yes.

Obama is creating his own field organization parallel to, but slightly different from, the Democratic organization.    These people are registering new voters in massive numbers and while so doing are creating a database they will be able to use to get those people to vote.  With vote-by-mail they will be able to 'bank' their hard support, work on the softies up through election day.

So he'll have his own largely voluntary (no bucks cost) organization, the regular Democratic Party organization, and the unions.  

The GOP can't match this.  The GOP depends on either paid staff (expensive) or fundies (morons) to do this work.  

So McCain is heading into an election facing an insurgent candidate with mucho organizational support, much bucks, and a wildly enthusiastic electorate.  Meanwhile, his campaign is sucking wind, he's losing the free media war, he's got money problems, and the fundie base -- without which the GOP is toast -- is lukewarm to hostile.

Plus he's shit as a campaigner.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:12:11 PM EST
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Not to mention, even on the paid staff, Obama's breaking records, and, unlike national committees, he and his people actually seem to know what to do with them.

If nothing else, we're certainly going to inherit a hell of an infrastructure from his campaign.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:23:45 PM EST
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The organization Obama is building gives him a chance to be a power-broker and national political figure for decades to come.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:03:02 PM EST
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Yes, and if we can build on it, we'll have a solid foundation to build a serious, long-term majority.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 09:30:00 PM EST
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Can't see Obama as the political leader we're going to need in 2 or 3 years.  It's not just the crummy economy.  It's the crummy and crumbling economy, Peak Oil, Peak Water, Climate Change, Peak Food, & all the other stuff we talk 'bout 'round here.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:38:53 PM EST
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Plus, he's shit as a candidate.

He's the sitcom candidate, the presidential wannabe who needs a laugh track to make him look credible.

Bets on early retirement for health reasons, and a quick swap in for Mitt 'Light Fingers' Romney, or Mike 'Batshit' Huckabee?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:50:16 PM EST
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Actually, I was thinking about that, given that he had that mole/spot/whatever removed.  If it comes back showing he has malignant melanoma again -- I think he had it back in '01 -- he may have to step down.  And the way they behaved when releasing the info shouldn't be very reassuring to the Republicans.

I doubt they'd want to run Romney.  For all of his flaws, Romney at least has a drop of talent as a politician, even if he's a total fraud and dumber than catshit.  Why waste him?

Huckabee is a possibility.  Gingrich, too.  A war in St Paul wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility either.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:59:22 PM EST
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McCain is the guy unless he steps aside.  With his ego I don't think that will happen.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:29:33 PM EST
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Check this out:



Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 11:46:19 PM EST
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Gawd it gets better (or worse, depending.)

From Alas, a blog

The Tax Policy Center prepared an interesting report this week, noting the key differences between the economic policies articulated by John McCain and the economic policies presented by John McCain's presidential campaign. There's a bit of a gap -- to the tune of $2.8 trillion (that's "trillion," with a "t").

    [...]

    How does the McCain campaign respond to this? As it turns out, hilariously.

    Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain's chief economic adviser, told Slate, "[McCain] has certainly I'm sure said things in town halls" that don't jibe perfectly with his written plan. But that doesn't mean it's official."

    Got that? If we want to better understand John McCain's economic policies, we should overlook what John McCain says about his economic policies. McCain's "official" positions don't come from McCain.



Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 at 12:22:06 AM EST
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China better get the AA guns ready. George has just announced that he's going to bring a "Message of Freedom" to the Beijing Olympics.  Dosen't he usually have them delivered by the airforce?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 02:03:54 PM EST
It remains mildly amusing that you can still see 'George Bush' and 'Message of freedom' together in the same sentence without the universe imploding out of sheer brain-tangling shame.

For now, anyway.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:52:11 PM EST
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dKos is reporting a 5.8 earthquake near LA. Epicentre somewhere out past Riverside towards Barstow.

I know someone that lives out in Apple valley out that way, so I hope they're okay. However, I've already seen one friend report from downtown LA they were more amused than concerned.

Still, hope the LA ETers (two ? three ?) are okay. Let us know how you are.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 03:19:39 PM EST
Yikes.  The only LA ETer I know of, Izzy, is safely in Seattle at the moment.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 03:21:55 PM EST
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But her kittens are freaking out.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 03:24:57 PM EST
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Epicenter 28 miles SE of Downtown LA, somewhere called Chino Hills.

Apparently a long quake, but also apparently no real damage or injuries, so that's good.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 03:27:09 PM EST
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I know that there are loads of varieties of Camembert around, whole shelves of them in french supermarkets.

But which are the best ? Not just camembert AOC, but unpasteurised, ladled and that extra special whatever.

After all, I'll be there in September and I need to know these things.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 04:17:07 PM EST
Actually, there are many brands of Camembert, but most have stopped doing AOC Camembert, as they are owned by a couple large companies (Lactalis...) which want to use filtered, pasteurised milk, for "safety reasons" and mostly because it's cheaper to produce. Go for the few remaining AOC brands.

Although you can find Camembert marinated in Calvados, too...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jul 29th, 2008 at 08:51:55 PM EST
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