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Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:39:51 AM EST

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Getting ready here for a long weekend. Tomorrow is the Swiss National Holiday.

This afternoon I went to Germany to buy some olive oil and stuff. On the way I bought an ice cream. There is a stand were they have real homemady Italian Gelato.

But thats not all, I even got an invitation to go dancing with the iceman, at the riverboard, tomorrow night. How about that! :-D

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:42:41 AM EST
Don't they sell olive oil in Switzerland ? And going to germany to buy "Italian" icecream is just one of those bizarre ideas that would have made no sense at all 30 years ago.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:55:34 AM EST
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The Gelato I bought in Switzerland. And the olive oil has a 40% custom/tax on it in Switzerland, so going to buy it in Germany or France I can buy a better quality at a lower price.

And btw. I walked - so no expenses for gas! :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:59:59 AM EST
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And the Gelato was from an icecream stand where you get it on a cone and you can pike the taste you want. So I ate it while walking to Germany.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:01:30 AM EST
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Sorry, I had to chuckle at it.

I think the idea of having a border you can walk across for better shopping is great. Similar to sandanski where several people I know go shopping in Greece, especially for the bread (good in Gr, appalling in BG)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:28:33 AM EST
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And if I lived within walking distance of germany I'd shop there for bread all the time.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:29:13 AM EST
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Well, the bread is not something I need to go to Germany, I have a great backery nearby and I do not eat much bread.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:31:33 AM EST
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At present walking from Great Britain to cross a national border presents some practical difficulties.

We would either need to wait for the next Ice Age, to make the Channel and North Sea dry land, or for the United Kingdom to break up.

by Gary J on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:35:47 AM EST
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Or learn to walk on water. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:38:54 AM EST
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<waves from Dublin>

 Or was there an annexation I missed? I've been busy the last few weeks.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:08:03 AM EST
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The existence of a land frontier to the Republic of Ireland was why I specified Great Britain rather than the United Kingdom, in my original post.
by Gary J on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:11:15 AM EST
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Not a geographic designation that's very popular around here ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:17:32 AM EST
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I am not sure what the objection is.

I appreciate that British Isles is a geographical term that is disapproved of by many Irish people (although British and Irish Isles is a rather clumsy term to describe the whole group).

As I understand it the largest island in the Isles is properly called Great Britain (at least as a political unit), although possibly just Britain as a geographic term.

All I can say is my geography teacher (35 or so years ago) took the view that England and Wales were Britain and England, Wales and Scotland were Great Britain.

by Gary J on Mon Aug 4th, 2008 at 10:07:57 AM EST
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is an interesting place - especially if you work there, live in nearby Germany, and shop in nearby France...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:14:13 AM EST
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I just found out a few weeks ago, that I do not have to go to France for shopping. At least not for vegetables and fruits. A Farmer from the Alsaces comes twice a week in the mornign with his merchandise, to the village square. And currently he has just really great tomatoes.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:56:03 AM EST
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I don't know, used to be one of the highlights of my distant youth, when on holiday in Germany to go to the Italian ice-cream shops.

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:16:22 PM EST
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Obama ahead in PA, OH and FL.

Must be good news for John McCain.

Off to play in the traffic.

Meantime, Bloomberg sez recession started in Q4 2007 (via Calculated Risk:

July 31 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy may have slipped into a recession in the last three months of 2007 as consumer spending slowed more than previously estimated and the housing slump worsened, revised government figures indicated.

The world's largest economy contracted at a 0.2 percent annual pace in the fourth quarter of last year compared with a previously reported 0.6 percent gain, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. Growth for the period from 2005 through 2007 was also trimmed.

The revisions now reinforce measures such as employment and production that already signaled the economy was shrinking. The National Bureau of Economic Research, the Cambridge, Massachusetts-based arbiter of economic cycles, defines a recession as a ``significant'' decrease in activity over a sustained period of time. The declines would be visible in GDP, payrolls, production, sales and incomes.

``We're in a recession,'' Allen Sinai, chief economist at Decision Economics Inc. in New York, said in a Bloomberg Television interview. ``It's going to widen, it's going to deepen.''



Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:25:00 AM EST
the changes are quite amazing:

               2007  (prev.)   2006   (prev.)  2005  (prev.)
GDB real        2,0   2,2      2,8     2,9     2,9    3,1

Quarterly
            T1   (prev.) T2  (prev.)  T3 (prev.)  T4  (prev.)
2007        0,1    0,6   4,8    3,8   4,8   4,9  -0,2    0,6
2006        4,8    4,8   2,7    2,4   0,8   1,1   1,5    2,1
2005        3,0    3,1   2,6    2,8   3,8   4,5   1,3    1,2

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:29:02 AM EST
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Someone's gotta be screwing with the numbers there or just incompetent.  GDP figures shouldn't swing wildly like that.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:33:29 AM EST
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Anything bad is possible.
by Magnifico on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:58:09 AM EST
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The consecrated narrative is that the US is struggling with lower growth, while Europe is in imminent danger of recession. So don't hesitate too long on the choice between screwing with the numbers and incompetence.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:02:45 PM EST
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Is this so incredible? I think not. Remember the Euro is nearly 100% up to its lowest point about 10 years ago. Trade balance is probably a backing for the US economy, and stalling for Europe.
That people don't feel how good the economy is, is no wonder, as their feeling is dominated by consumption, not production. As Americans have lived for years beyond their means, now it feels like pain, when they start to live within their means, even if their means go a bit up.

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:23:35 PM EST
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The Bloomberg report and the figures Jérôme cites are not talking about feelings, or people's perception of the economy, but of a downward revision of growth numbers over a dozen quarters.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:02:30 PM EST
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They have revised 3 year old quarterly GDP numbers!!?
Ils sont fous, ces Americains!

However, Europe is in imminant danger of a recession, when taking 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth as measure. I'm almost sure, Q2 was negative in Europe.
While the US could have had a recession in q4,07/q1,08 and being already in recovery - or of course in the middle of a long recession, we may get that information probably, uhmm, 2011.

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:34:27 PM EST
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My point was about the generally received media narrative, that avoids saying "recession" about the US, but doesn't shrink from it re Europe.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:49:50 PM EST
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I've commented here on the US cooking economic numbers before, though i haven't attempted a compilation. But just a few days ago the latest job numbers were released, showing an increase in jobs (Bloomberg article).  Little noticed was a sentence revising the previous month downwards.  the market reacted with gusto, but i couldn't help thinking it was but another example of statistical manipulation.  swear i've seen that often.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:31:03 PM EST
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There have been periodic wry comments in Barron's about the "adjustments" that are made to the data.  No helpful adjustment is ever abandoned just because the reason for its existence is no longer valid.  Bruce could comment more specifically, should he so choose.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:42:36 PM EST
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Why ? it's a derivative, after all...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:18:58 PM EST
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Apparently some derivatives are more derivative than others.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:59:38 PM EST
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Jerome, why don't the quarterly numbers you give don't average close to the yearly numbers you cite

Quarterly
            Q1    Q2    Q3    Q4    -O-
2007        0,1   4,8   4,8  -0,2   2.4 (?!)
EuroZ       3.3   2.6   2.7   2.2   2.7

2006        4,8   2,7   0,8   1,5   2.5 (?!)
EuroZ       2.6   3.0   2.9   3.3   3.0

2005        3,0   2,6   3,8   1,3   2.7 (?!)
EuroZ       1.5   1.6   1.9   2.1   1.8

Both regions average in this last 3 years to 2.5% groth within rounding errors.

EuroZ from ECB:
Euro area 13 (fixed composition) - Gross domestic product at market price - Constant prices - ECU/euro - Seasonally adjusted, not working day adjusted, Annual percentage change

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:58:12 PM EST
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Compare that story to this story from the Washington Post: U.S. Economic Growth Improves Over First Quarter.

The U.S. economy grew at a healthy pace in the second quarter, the government said today, despite being buffeted by a financial crisis, a deep housing slump, high fuel prices and a weak job market.

Gross domestic product rose at a 1.9 percent inflation-adjusted annual rate in the April through June period, far above what forecasters would have expected just a few months ago. It was boosted by strong exports resulting from the lower value of the dollar and rising consumer spending by Americans, who benefited from government stimulus checks.

The surge is working!

by Magnifico on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:12:19 PM EST
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Exactly the kind of narrative I referred to above. The ship of the US economy sails into strong headwinds, but battles through. It doesn't matter if the 1.9% number is later revised, what matters is the effect it has now.

Just don't say the "R" word with regard to the US, that's all.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:58:52 PM EST
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... the unemployment rate is coming out shortly, and we get to see whether that is a slowdown in the cost-push inflation because price changes in gasoline and diesel have slowed, or an actual increase in output.

Get the good news out first, so if its bad news coming, rather than bringing the picture into focus, it can be covered as "on the one hand, on the other hand".


Utsukushii kereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:48:16 PM EST
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America's economy | Still on the right road | Economist.com
America's economy has steered clear of recession so far. How long can it keep growing?

THE American economy has often defied predictions of its demise. It has done so again. Official figures published on Thursday July 31st show that America's GDP rose at an annualised rate of 1.9% in the second quarter. This would a respectable enough growth rate at the best of times. That this was achieved despite the considerable handicaps of a badly damaged banking system, a big jump in oil prices and the ongoing housing bust, makes it remarkable.

Revisions to earlier quarters took some of the shine of the news. Government statisticians now reckon that the economy shrank in the final three months of last year: the annualised change to GDP was revised from 0.6% to -0.2%. But growth picked up slightly to 0.9% in the first quarter, so on this reading at least, America seems to have just steered clear of a technical recession--two consecutive quarters of contraction.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:59:52 PM EST
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And being on the wrong side of the numbers McCain has gone negative.  This is the one card he has left and the one the GOP has used in the last two elections to eke out a win.

The polls in the next few weeks are going to be really interesting.  

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.

by ATinNM on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:11:46 PM EST
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State polls have done as I expected, with Obama coming around with very respectable showings.  FiveThirtyEight's got him at 307 EVs now.  Single digits in Texas and Kentucky, although St John's above 50% in both.  16-point ball game in Idaho, which sounds bad, until you remember that Kerry lost it by a bajillion.

Tie in Montana.  Leads for O in PA, OH and FL.  I'll certainly take it.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 12:51:11 AM EST
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Exactly why McCain had to do something.  

Have epistemological model of Complex Information environments. Will Travel.
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 10:00:54 AM EST
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Spiegel: Humpback Whale Spotted in German Waters

In the past century and a half there have been exactly three documented sightings of living humpback whales in German waters. Marine biologists say that makes last Friday's sighting a "sensation."

Biologists Andreas Nick and Christoph Bock had travelled to the German island of Rügen in the Baltic Sea to watch birds. Yet, instead of spotting some rare animal in the sky or in a tree, they came across a far more unusual sight: a humpback whale...

The last time a living humpback whale was spotted in German waters was nearly 30 years ago: in August 1978, also off the coast of Rügen. But to find a prior documented sighting you have to go back another 127 years -- to 1851.

by Magnifico on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 11:57:23 AM EST
RIA Novosti: Gazprom's net profit more than doubled to $12 bln in 1H08

Russian energy giant Gazprom [RTS: GAZP] said Thursday its net profit calculated to Russian Accounting Standards more than doubled, year-on-year, in January-June 2008 to 285.7 billion rubles ($12.2 billion).

Gazprom, which accounts for nearly 20% of global and 85% of Russia's natural gas production, said its net profit in January-June 2007 totaled 138.67 billion rubles ($5.9 billion).

by Magnifico on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:05:13 PM EST
WaPo: Exxon Breaks Profits Record, but Shares Fall

Buoyed by soaring oil prices, Exxon Mobil Corp. reported $11.7 billion in second-quarter profits, breaking its own record for the highest quarterly earnings in U.S. corporate history.

The 14 percent increase in profits from the second quarter of 2007 was almost entirely due to sharply higher net income from oil and gas production. High crude oil prices more than offset a steep drop in earnings at the company's refining and marketing businesses, as well as an 8 percent drop in the company's oil and gas production volume.

Revenues surged to $138 billion, up 40 percent from a year earlier.

Exxon's earnings were widely expected and reflect industry trends. Earlier, Royal Dutch Shell reported a 33 percent increase in profits. On Tuesday, BP reported a 28 percent increase from the second quarter of 2007, and last week ConocoPhillips said net income rose 13 percent.

by Magnifico on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:09:54 PM EST
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Have fun, see ya tomorrow

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:16:32 PM EST
Apparently La Liz is quite ill.  Thought it might be appropriate to mention that a few nights ago I watched "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf" with Taylor and Richard Burton.  What a performance by those two.  No matter what the media will say about her flamboyant life, i was absolutely struck by the acting competence bordering on the incendiary.  Roddy MacDowell says she even had it back in the National Velvet days.

Suppose it's rare for Hollyweird to turn something as hefty as an Albee play into a commercial film, but i would highly recommend seeing this for anyone who gets the liz bug in the next few days.  Stunning.

Couldn't have been easy being the most beautiful, and sexiest woman in the world.  With chops to boot.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:45:02 PM EST
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 01:16:46 PM EST
Louisiana was settled by the French.  They have horse-drawn carriages.  Not sure those will work on the SF-to-LA route.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:13:57 PM EST
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Yeah, St. Louis just got some lame commuter rail a few years ago.  And no thanks to the French.   Horse and buggies can be found in some of the smaller French settlements in the area.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:19:49 PM EST
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Really, we could blame our transport problems the French, when you think about it.  The horse-and-buggy thing made us predisposed to cars down the road.

And then you consider how Anglo Disease is really the Germans' fault, as I mentioned a while back, and it dawns on you: Fucking Europeans.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:48:25 PM EST
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If it weren't for the Europeans, there would be no U.S.A., let alone all the wrath that country hath wrought.  The Native Americans and their ponies weren't buring holes in the sky.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:56:03 PM EST
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And the Brits and the French are the ones responsible for all for all the crazy religionists -- the Brits with the Puritanism and the French with all that weird voodoo shit they've got down in Louisiana to go along with the damned buggies.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:03:59 PM EST
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Well, I'll take the weird voodoo shit over the nut job Puritains any day.  In fact, I'd send the zombies after the Protestant extremists.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:14:32 PM EST
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And then you consider how Anglo Disease is really the Germans' fault, as I mentioned a while back

You think we should build an Anglo disease memorial in Berlin? But, hey, that disease was our revenge for the voting for Bush in 2004. Just wait what we do with your America if you vote John 'fawning Germans' McCain into office.

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:20:19 PM EST
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That's not fair.  You sent us all your stupid people.  At least the Brits had the decency to ship them all to Australia, where they'd eventually kill themselves with water shortages.  But, no, you Continentals had to send them to Ohio.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:26:35 PM EST
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... Americans and everyone knows how they handle things like this.

Oh, wait, that was what the letter to the editor linked to in the diary was about ... how Americans handle things like laying out HSR lines.


Utsukushii kereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:26:16 PM EST
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Hang on: They can't take credit for the food and music down there and then blame us for screwing up the transport after hawking it to us.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:54:09 PM EST
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Its not a freaking Frenchman who is saying that the California HSR is being taken off track by ignoring the lessons of successful HSR projects in places like France ... its a Californian.

But wrt Louisiana, yes, of course its quite possible to take credit for the cuisine and avoid blame for the transportation system ... since it was not the French in control for the past century and a half, its not up to them what parts of the legacy were retained and what parts where ditched ... and since working out the TGV's is something that wasn't around a century and a half ago, the problem is that the US is not presently borrowing the best stuff from overseas.
 

Utsukushii kereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:53:06 PM EST
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And of course the iconic streetcars, such as "Desire."

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer@yahoo.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:47:07 PM EST
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How does yogurt go bad?  Shouldn't the good bacteria be eating whatever bad bacteria is in it?  I just ate a cup of week-past-exp.-date yogurt, and it smelled and tasted fine.  Nice consistency, all that.

Should I expect to be ill shortly?

Also, I am getting ready to head out, so have a lovely weekend everyone!  My parent-type people are coming to stay for a bit.  They've very demanding and difficult to please.  My step father is the kind of insane person who will go to a very nice restaurant and then demand to speak to the chef and proceed to explain to him how he would have prepared something differently, better.  Gah.  These insane people are coming to a town near you (Italy, Switzerland & France) soon, if you want see them with your own eyes.  Maybe they will tell you secrets about me...

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:15:22 PM EST
Me, I blame society. That and the other foodstuffs they are hanging around with these days ... awfully bad crowd.


Utsukushii kereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:27:34 PM EST
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It's organic yogurt, so it hangs with the right crowd.  Maybe it's all the pot those organic farmers listen smoke.  And rock and roll.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:32:41 PM EST
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It's organic yogurt, so it hangs with the right crowd.

See, now you're going to get some strange disease from the organic stuff.

I want my cheese out of a can, damn it.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:51:00 PM EST
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I'm really anti-pasteurization.  Survival of the fittest cheese-eaters.  Hey, didn't the French invent that?!

Oh crap.

Pasteurisation is the process of heating liquids for the purpose of destroying bacteria, protozoa, molds, and yeasts. The process was named after its creator, French chemist and microbiologist Louis Pasteur. The first pasteurisation test was completed by Pasteur and Claude Bernard on April 20, 1862.

Unlike sterilization, pasteurisation is not intended to kill all micro-organisms (pathogenic) in the food or liquid. Instead, pasteurisation aims to achieve a "logarithmic reduction" in the number of viable organisms, reducing their number so they are unlikely to cause disease (assuming the pasteurisation product is refrigerated and consumed before its expiration date).

Great.  I'm going to die.


"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:00:22 PM EST
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in the case of Yoghurt i Follow Freddie Nietzche

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.


Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:12:56 PM EST
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Adventures in The Philosophy of Yoghurt:

Platonic yoghurt - you know it's the best yoghurt ever, but all you can see in the fridge is its shadow

Darwinian yoghurt - if it crawls out of the fridge on its own, don't pick a fight with it

Hegelian yoghurt - can't decide between two flavours? Mix them together. Sorted.

Socratic yoghurt - are you sure you want it? Really sure?

Cartesian yoghurt - always knows exactly where it is. Or at least, it thinks it does.

Taoist yoghurt - has no labels

Utilitarian yoghurt - plenty for everyone!

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 08:34:21 PM EST
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If you're listening to the pot in your yoghurt, maybe it was more off than you thought.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:03:47 PM EST
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Yeah, I'm blaming my inability to cut and paste on an infectious disease.  That's it.  I hope it's not one of those diseases that liquify your brain.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:18:59 PM EST
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That's it, I'm afraid. Turns the brain to bad yogurt.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:33:31 PM EST
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That's what I was thinking ... its gone bad from hanging around a bunch of dirty f*cking hippies.

Actually, if its non-pasturized, the acid in the yogurt that gives it that wonderful tartness will delay spoiling, and while that acid will be very bad for molds, it won't eliminate all bacteria, and of course its the one that are more robust that will have been reproducing. And except for the ph, its a wonderful nutrient soup.


Utsukushii kereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 01:19:58 PM EST
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It's organic yogurt, so it hangs with the right crowd.  Maybe it's all the pot those organic farmers listen smoke.  And rock and roll.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:33:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry about that.  Is ET under hostile attack or something?  I keep getting error messages.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:34:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's the beginning of the yogurt disease.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:09:50 PM EST
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You know, there was a valid scientific question in there.  People take yogurt to keep from getting sick.  So how does yogurt make you sick?  

It's like the dirty soap question.  

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:12:13 PM EST
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If you put dirty soap in the yogurt, it's disgusting. Obviously.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:37:47 PM EST
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... attack ... AFAIR, EuroTrib still shares servers, and BooTrib will obviously be one of the targets in the ongoing war to keep them damn libruls from telling people stuff, and stuff.


Utsukushii kereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 09:20:21 PM EST
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I don't know if this is related, but hopefully someone here can help.  Currently i have zero trouble accessing ET through Safari, but i cannot get in to the site with Firefox.  Since last evening.  I've checked everything i know how to check, i've restarted several times, i've cleared the cache in Firefox.  Haven't yet reset permissions, don't know if that has any effect.  Hilfe?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 05:35:43 AM EST
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No problems with Firefox for me.

What error message do you get?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 05:49:49 AM EST
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I get no error message, Firefox just sits there and spins.  Same time, no problem whatsoever other sites in Firefox, and no problem reaching here with Safari.  Last evening i did get some strange error messages.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 06:22:22 AM EST
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Hm. The IP address changed. Maybe your firefox is caching it strangely. Give it a day or two to see if it recovers, assuming using Safari isn't a problem for you.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 06:20:54 AM EST
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Safari is fine, though of course without TribExt.  But shouldn't i be able to reach the new IP address anyway, especially as i've just cleared the cache twice?  

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 06:24:54 AM EST
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I'd have thought so, but maybe there's something funny happening - I've seen ISPs screw with timeouts on such things.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 06:26:56 AM EST
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If this is a clue, i was just able to get in.  before i went anywhere on ET i clicked to Booman, and got in fine.  but can't get back to ET now.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 07:42:16 AM EST
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... random trouble getting into various sites with Firefox on Windows downstairs ... but when I moved upstairs, no problems with Firefox (well, technically Iceweasel) on Linux.

So, not a clue. Maybe one of those random internet storms, delaying traffic, and the time-out defaults are set differently for IE and Firefox.

Utsukushii kereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 09:57:42 AM EST
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Public unconvinced President Medvedev is Russia's real leader

MOSCOW, July 31 (RIA Novosti) - Less than 10% of Russians see President Dmitry Medvedev as the true leader of the country, according to a July opinion poll released Thursday by the Yury Levada Center.
When asked "Who holds the real power in the country?" more than a third - 36% - said Prime Minister Vladimir Putin did, while only 9% saw Medvedev as the main figure.

Almost half - 47% - answered that power was shared by "both equally." Eight percent gave no answer.

Medvedev, 42, was inaugurated as Russia's third president since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 on May 7, taking over from Putin, who was approved as the country's premier a day later.

When pollsters asked the same question in March, after Medvedev had been elected president but before Putin had stepped down, the public's view was that power was shared more equally.

Also,

"Kremlin diet" from RussianFun.net



"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 02:48:05 PM EST
One of the main headlines on the Independent. Thought it might fit better in the OT than the Salon.

Double trouble: Are breast enlargements imitation or mutilation? - Features, Health & Wellbeing - The Independent

Big, bouncy and completely fake, larger-than-life bosoms are everywhere we look. Is it any wonder that last year, 26,000 British women went under the knife? More's the pity, argues Bethan Cole - you can't improve on nature

I remember distinctly the first time I saw a pair of surgically enhanced breasts with my own eyes. It was around eight or nine years ago, in the changing rooms of the gym at a private members' club where a friend had taken me for a workout. I was getting undressed, nervously, as I don't like disrobing in front of strangers. And there was another woman, a matter of a few feet away, topless, with oddly firm, projectile breasts pointing skywards.

My first reaction was shock. Two very weird, alien, unnatural body parts, brazenly displayed, right in front of me. They didn't look real or natural in the slightest. They looked like what they were - breasts that had been bought and paid for. Not soft and slightly saggy, like a thirtysomething embonpoint should be, but plastic, hard-looking and aggressively perfect. I felt like I'd been slapped in the face. They said robotic. They announced aspiration. They said "I'm considerably richer than you", and "I'm considerably more attractive than you", and even "Money well spent". For there was an unmistakeable air of conspicuous consumption in this woman's light golden tan and bizarrely pert orbs. I felt instantly sickened, and turned away.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 03:24:35 PM EST
Daily Kos: The Great White Hope

The media's moment of disillusionment with John McCain appears to be at hand. Even Joe Klein has finally noticed that McCain's profile is beginning to resemble the endomorphic shadow of his backstage advisor, Karl Rove, not one of the faces on Mt. Rushmore.

It's all very predictable - about as predictable as the media's abrupt discovery in the summer of 2005, as New Orleans sank beneath the waves, that the president of the United States was, gasp!, an incompetent boob.

But anyone who's studied McCain's career with any intellectual detachment at all (as opposed to the hagiographic tendencies of his media cheerleading claque) could have told you: The truth about John McCain is that he'll do just about anything and say just about anything to win. He always has. He's just been more clever (and cynical) than most in how he goes about it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:03:54 PM EST
Ouch.

Now if only Billmon were correct about the media realizing the truth.  Alas, I think he's living in a fantasy.

Joke Line is annoying as all hell, but, deep down, he has a soul.  He's misguided and naive, not evil, and so he can self-correct when the truth becomes sufficiently obvious.

But I'm afraid Joke Line is the rare breed of mere fuck-up in an establishment that is a lot more like the ever-cynical John McCain than he.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:21:35 PM EST
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"Joe Klein is a fucking weasel."

Saying that on a couple of US blogs four years ago got me my nick.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:36:06 PM EST
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what's the e for?

Interviewer: What do you believe is behind this recent increase in terrorist bombings? Helpmann: Bad sportsmanship
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 05:16:04 PM EST
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European.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 01:48:06 AM EST
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David Ignatius - McCain's True Voice - washingtonpost.com

That healing gift is what McCain, at his best, brings to the presidential race -- not the brass marching band of military valor but the tolerance of someone who has truly suffered. It's evident in his achievements as a senator: He had been tortured himself, so he campaigned, against intense pressure from the Bush administration, for a ban on torture; he had been caught as one of the "Keating Five" in a sleazy campaign finance scandal, so he defied his party and became a crusader for campaign finance and ethics reforms.

What's damaging the McCain campaign now, I suspect, is that this fiercely independent man is trying to please other people -- especially a Republican leadership that doesn't really trust him. He should give that up and be the person whose voice shines through the pages of his life story.


Most of the press is on the 'let McCain be McCain' bus. If going negative works out, swell. If it doesn't, fire a couple of advisors and say 'I made some mistakes'.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 06:32:56 PM EST
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Precisely the problem: Ignatius still believes that the good McCain exists.  He doesn't.  McCain is a filthy old man who should be spending his days playing shuffleboard and eating jello.

You're never going to get decent coverage as long as these idiots keep believing in the myth.

Ignatius isn't even the worst of it.  I expect that from the incompent hacks at the WaPo, because they're Very Serious and work for the big Beltway rag.  But then you've got skanks like Norah O'Donnell and Iraq 4Evah pro-Israel hacks like Blitzer.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 08:47:06 PM EST
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Great rejoicing around the return. Brilliant destruction of McCain (though what's to destroy?).

Good to see Billmon, really.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 31st, 2008 at 04:30:11 PM EST
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and active - here is today's diary:

Daily Kos: First time as tragedy, second time as farce

In Hersh's most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The "meeting took place in the Vice-President's office. `The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,'" according to one of Hersh's sources.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 at 03:24:36 AM EST
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