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Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:09:07 AM EST

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At risk of reigniting the pancake wars (although it does appear to be a late entry into the filling discussion)....

The creepy joy of cooking with Vincent Price. - By Paul Collins - Slate Magazine

No such fainthearted stuff for Vincent: The name Banana Pancake Flambé Stonehenge alone murders all culinary competitors. You wrap sautéed bananas into crêpes, vigorously stab strips of bacon atop them, and flambé it all in banana liqueur. It's a dish that rewards sleepy incompetence: If you don't flambé it properly, the pancakes immediately soak up copious amounts of hooch, leaving you woozily imitating lines from The Abominable Dr. Phibes while you twirl a villainous moustache and choose your victims for lunch.


Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:12:39 AM EST
Malaysian ratatouille

I made a large rat.. with some of the spare tomatoes we've got, but I think I messed up the proportins and it's pretty acidic. No bicarbonate of soda, so a packet of coconut cream has gone in.

A profound change in flavour balance.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:25:57 AM EST
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Tonights actual meal will be mushroom Fajitas

the added coconut sounds good

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:36:54 AM EST
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Garlic, Basil, other bitter herbs, a dash of soy sauce and as a last resort, add another rat. :-)

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:05:03 PM EST
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There's a bit of basil in it, but I'll leave it overnight as that usually smoothes and blends flavours.

But soy or tamarind might be an idea.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:55:42 PM EST
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Sour, bitter and sweet are the counters.  Time and heat/cool cycles always help.  We have a pot roast that we try not to do more than sample until it has been cooled down to the fridge temp and then reheated.  After about the third day, the mushrooms turn into real flavor concentrators.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 05:34:27 PM EST
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It's been a nice day here. Last night I cuddled up to several beers, I enjoyed it so much I may do it all again tonight.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:17:32 AM EST
Hard at work on reducing the spirits cupboard to a manageable proportion in preparation for the great move north.

however, packing with a hangover is no fun.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:30:30 AM EST
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I's a dirty job...but someone's gotta do it.

Have you sold the house already ?? When do you move ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:50:51 PM EST
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well the house isn't sold, it's going to be put up for rent, till the market improves. In the past three months we've had a grand total of one person visiting to look at it. We're waiting on some legal papers to sort the move, they were due on Friday, but didn't turn up so things are a touch tense here asthe solicitors are closed on Monday and Tuesday and we were due to move on Thursday.

If it goes past the end of this week it will have to be on a weekend when the furniture gets moved and depending when the removals people can do it might mean cancelling Paris.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 05:13:35 AM EST
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Oh, nooo, ceebs!  With the energizing we get at the meet, everything else will go better afterwards!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:21:10 AM EST
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Well If it all goes wrong I will be sitting at home waiting for my Furniture to be delivered. And if it goes really, really wrong, I will be driving 250 miles just  to let a van full of blokes in to pick the furniture up first

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:28:40 AM EST
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And what has happened to the old Stiff Upper Lip©?

:-D

I "feel your pain."  In the first six months of this year I moved the equivalent of 4 times.  Twice here and two houses in the Other Place.

Fortunately the locations weren't 250 miles apart.

Tho' I've vowed the next time I'm going to pile up everything in the middle of the yard and set fire to it.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 01:32:55 PM EST
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It's been great weather here, but I've been so tired I didn't even think to go outside until now and it's 4pm already, not sure how that happened.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:18:29 AM EST

Oh, this could be so much fun.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:54:08 AM EST
Other veep laugh, for Jerome:

Am I the only one who noticed the text went out at 3AM?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:08:07 PM EST
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Someone suggested that it was simply the technical requirement for a quiet time on the network to be able to send the 3 million texts to all the numbers in their base...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:29:06 PM EST
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Could be.  Apparently it took quite a while for the networks to get the messages out.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:36:05 PM EST
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Mishima, "barackobama.com", 23 Aug 2008 00:59: PDT

27 March 2008, on the modernizing regulation of financial markets:
"The great task before our Founders that day was putting into practice the ideal that government could simultaneously serve liberty and advance the common good. For Alexander Hamilton, the young Secretary of the Treasury, that task was bound to the vigor of the American economy. Hamilton had a strong belief in the power of the market. But he balanced that belief with the conviction that human enterprise "may be beneficially stimulated by prudent aids and encouragements on the part of the government." Government, he believed, had an important role to play in advancing our common prosperity. So he nationalized the state Revolutionary War debts, weaving together the economies of the states and creating an American system of credit and capital markets. ... I think all of us here today would acknowledge that we've lost that sense of shared prosperity."

22 May 2008, Camp Obama announces the formation of its search committee of heiress Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg, former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, and former (Clinton-Bush) deputy AG Eric Holder who is also a member of Mr Obama's Security Council. Many were named including retired military brass, but only one man has hands in both finance and foreign affairs committees' pockets.


MarketTrustee, "Own a Piece of This Campaign", Splash Page Series, 23 Aug 2008 00:11:30 EST

So what took his search committee so long to figure that out?


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 12:08:41 PM EST
I have this question in the back of my mind whether or not Biden was the only one who bit.

I mean I wonder if Bayh was approached and said no.

Or whether the decision was made on what the impact in the Senate would be.

Indiana has a Republican governor, so the Senate replacement would probably have been one of our GOP congress critters.  

I suppose that Neil Kinnock should be pleased with this choice, because he's bound to get a boatload of royalties from Biden speaking.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 12:55:44 PM EST
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Bayh's "candidacy" was a blip on MSM radar until this past week. He may have been flattered with a letter or even the FBI "background check" purportedly required of some (Chet Edwards?!!) if not all VP nominees. The search committee's primary function over the past 60 days, so far as I could tell, was providing Barry cover to solicit funds. Recall the "search" started about one week after he declared himself the DP nominee.

Obama's campaign refused to talk about who was being considered, but possible options are Clinton; governors like Arizona's Janet Napolitano of Arizona, Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and Tim Kaine of Virginia; foreign policy experts like former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd or Delaware Sen. Joe Biden; or other senators like Missouri's Claire McCaskill and Virginia's Jim Webb.

He could look outside the party to people like war critic Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel  or independent New York mayor Mike Bloomberg. Or he could look to one of his early prominent supporters like former Sen. Tom Daschle of South Dakota or try to bring on a Clinton supporter [?!] like Indiana's Evan Bayh.

By mid June, the "synergies" sought in serious candidates had little to do with electoral advantage. The committee placed brass PR suggesting a low-impact, high-value selection would be driven by congress members' controlling interest of, well, appropriations, especially DoD. The unstated assumptions are incumbents are invulnerable, current foreign policy is unassailable, unlimited funding. Dodd --the other foreign policy wonk-- and Shelby were deep into drafting "modernized" RMBS regulatory bills, dictated by Paulson and the Mortgage Bankers' Association (MBA). So neither party's proportional size in the senate to maintain a semblance of opposition was/is rather beside the point ...from the vantage of the aristocracy at any rate.

North Dakota Sen. Kent Conrad [?!] told The Associated Press said the team asked him about potential candidates from three broad categories - current top elected officials, former top elected officials and former top military leaders.
[...]
"We talked about many names," Conrad said, including "some that are out of the box, but I think would be very well-received by the American people, including former top military leaders."
[...]
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland also met with Johnson and Holder. He also would not disclose names they discussed, but said he advised that any presidential candidate should tap for his No. 2 "someone they feel comfortable with, someone who they believe is qualified in the event they could not serve out the balance of their term for whatever reason, and someone whom they believe will be helpful as they campaign to be elected. And I think Mr. Obama will do that."

Add to Obama VP universe the set.

    * Gen. Tony McPeak
    * Maj. Gen. Scott Gration
    * Richard Danzig (Clinton Sec. Navy)
    * Hugh Shelton (Clinton JCS)
    * Wesley Clark
    * Sen. Jim Webb (Reagan Sec. Navy)
    * Gen. James L. Jones (NATO cmdr, 2003-2006)



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:30:13 PM EST
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#$!$!@#$@# firefox.  Finally got fed up with FF3.  No compelling new features that I can see, and it broke sendlink with kmail, so I uninstalled the damned thing and reinstalled the last FF2.  Naturally that broke a bunch of extensions, including tribext.  Have tried to reinstall both of the last two versions with no luck.  Installation bails with an error, something about install location.

Here I sit all dejected.  Won't give up tribext.  Don't want to give up a working sendlink. Really don't want to start troubleshooting javascript.  Grumph.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:20:06 PM EST
and techie people wonder why 99% of the human race hate computers

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:25:59 PM EST
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You can try to do a manual installation.

Under windows, locate: Documents and Settings(I think)/Application Data(or similar...)/Mozilla/Firefox/[some string of letters and numbers].default/extensions

For mac it is: [home folder]/library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/[some string of letters and numbers].default/extensions

Note that some of those folders are hidden, so you have to enable the showing of hidden folders first.

This is where extensions should go. First, rename the install from TribExt@someone.xpi to TribExt@someone.zip. Then unpack the zip archive into a folder called TribExt@someone. Move this one to the extensions folder as located above. I don't know if this will work, but could be worth a try.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 01:38:22 PM EST
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Thanks, someone.  I'm back to FF3.  If I'm going to invest any significant effort into fixing something, I'll put it into fixing the sendlink problem in FF3.  It just aggravates me when an upgrade breaks something that has been working fine.


Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:24:38 PM EST
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The age of the train returns to French provinces
Locals win fight to reopen station as network extends to other rural areas

For almost 50 years, no train has stopped at the station of Bazancourt. A village in the Champagne region of France with just under 2,000 inhabitants, it was cut off from the railway network after the second world war and lay forgotten.

As France roared into a new era of high-speed train travel - or train à grande vitesse (TGV) as it is known in France - that linked up big cities, the provinces were left out in the cold.

Now, however, Bazancourt is back on track. Its dilapidated station has been given a lick of paint and restored to its former glory. The missing letters from its name have been fixed back on the freshly white-washed walls.

(...)

But it is not just in Bazancourt that this is happening. All over France authorities are showing signs of waking up to the needs of the provinces after years in which high-speed, inter-city links have been the unquestioned priority.

From Provence to the outskirts of Paris, disused lines are being reactivated, small town stations reopened and new networks built.

At the same time, in a summer of soaring petrol prices and plummeting spending power, many French people are starting to make changes to the way they move around. Fuel consumption is down. For the first time in 30 years, car use is down as well.

Public transport is facing its highest demand in years - and one French news magazine asked this month whether these trends indicated a new era and "the end of the reign of the car". Régis van Herreweghe, a spokesman for the Mayor of Bazancourt, said the changes in his village had clear implications for the wider world.

No mention of how this has been driven by the devolution of train operations to the regions, though.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:02:23 PM EST
No mention of how this has been driven by the devolution of train operations to the regions, though.

The whole article seemed to suggest that the TGV starved the rest of the network, echoing Dodo's comments last year about SNCF bussification.

It's a good move. France is lucky in that it never abandoned the trackbeds, so the networks can be re-built. Poor old Britain has no chance, we built on everything.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:52:18 PM EST
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Yes, the essential point is that the regions are driving and financing this change.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 05:27:20 AM EST
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More Labor Day travelers expected to use rail, bus
Fewer travelers are expected to fly or drive for the holiday weekend, and AAA says the trend points to Americans seeking alternative means of transportation.
By Peter Pae, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
August 23, 2008

Fewer travelers are expected to fly or drive for the Labor Day holiday, with more opting instead for trains and buses as the weak economy and high fuel prices alter the vacation habits of Americans.

In its annual Labor Day forecast, AAA projected Friday that fewer Americans would travel more than 50 miles for the end-of-the-summer holiday. About 34 million Americans are expected to travel during the long weekend, down about 1% compared with last year. It would mark the first drop since 2006.

-Skip-

Nationally, the vast majority of travelers, or more than 83%, are expected to drive to their destinations, while 11.5% plan to fly and 5% will hop on trains, buses, motorcycles and cruise ships.

-Skip-

More Americans are expected to try alternative modes of transportation such as a train or bus. Those numbers are seen jumping 12.5%.

From L.A. San Diego, Santa Barbara, San Luis Obispo are all feasible by train.  Sadly, that 12.5% increase translates into less than 1% of total travelers, but it is still a boost for Amtrack.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:25:55 PM EST
I dunno how it works in the US, but in the UK, the more people travel by train, the worse the financial loss.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:53:54 PM EST
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Ron, the more than slightly biased AP cheif political writer has written a hit piece on the Biden VP pick.

It gets a robust rebuttal on dKos as well as links to other more detailed pieces.

However, I actually disagree with the view here;- It's one thing for an openly conservative columnist - Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol - arguing against the Democratic nominee.  It's another thing for a purportedly "objective" journalist, running the AP's Washington office at a time where the wire service has more influence than ever - offering a slanted take without disclosing his bias.

The entire Corporate media is totally in the tank for the republicans and has been without shame nor hesitation for the best part of a generation. How is Fournier qualitatively different from all the guys on the Straight Talk Express  ? Those who yuk it up over beer and BBQ while conveniently ignoring every idiocy, policy flip, and gaffe he trots out, yet at the same time Obama gets hit piece after hit piece.

They're all at it. The entire corporate whore media is utterly compromised. how is fournier actually worse than any of the others ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 03:51:27 PM EST
Oh, dear.  Fournier seems to have stepped in it this time.  One of the benefits of Biden is that he might be the one guy whose personal story the press loves more than McCain's POW shtick.  The press has been falling over itself all day to talk up Biden.  I thought Tweety was going to come over Biden being born in Scranton.

(What the fuck is it about these shitty little Rust Belt towns generally -- Scranton, PA, in particular -- that gives the talking heads such a hard-on?  I'm almost glad Russert is dead today.)

Anyway, Fournier's going to get hit for this one.  Skeletor and Tweety will tear him to bits for going after their beloved Joe Biden.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 12:14:36 AM EST
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http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/philadelphia-democrat-big-wig-attorney-philip-ber g-files-suit-seeking-injunction-against-barack-h-obamas-candidacy-campaign-democrat-national-convent ion-to-be-contentious-because-philip-berg-filed/

If true, note that this suit was filed on the Friday before the National Convention.  This Berg person is allegedly a "strong Hillary supporter".  Interesting.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 04:13:46 PM EST
"Strong Hilary supporter" my ass. PUMA is a far-right republican front and this guy is dirty.

Then again, HRC is partly to blame for this. she ran on a republican-lite platform, so she was already consorting with gutter rats, and the democrat party has worken up covered with fleas. And Obama, with his fairytale bipartizan outreach, is in danger of doing the same.

As for this, well it all depends if the location of the filing was carefully chosen to ensure the right sort of judge to adjudicate.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 04:24:02 PM EST
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Well, McCain was born in the Canal Zone.  The status of the Canal Zone is at issue as well.  I don't know if either or both candidates were ruled ineligible, could the vice-presidential candidate on the winning ticket take office?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 05:50:01 PM EST
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Since his mother was a U.S. citizen, he would be a natural-born citizen no matter where he was born.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 08:54:03 AM EST
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Well, I have doubts about the Biden's ability and willingness to bring out change in the system.

However he's really smart. In the category "smartest answers to a stupid question ever", look at this:



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 04:35:21 PM EST
Those sessions are just so stupid and vacuous, what are they intended to achieve ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 05:19:38 PM EST
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"what are they intended to achieve ?"

To show a minority of us what might have been?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 05:53:18 PM EST
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I'll go one better on ya.  Biden, who ranks 99th out of 100 senators on wealth, got a good shot at McCain today:



Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 12:08:23 AM EST
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