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The Prague Meetup: Secrets Revealed

by In Wales
Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 02:49:41 PM EST

Firstly, all kudos to Barbara who had the brilliant idea of;

European Tribune - August 16 Prague ET meetup - venue

having lunch at the Municipal House (Obecní dům) on náměstí Republiky (also a Metro station).

Secondly, it rained and following much discussion over beer we reached the conclusion that it rains at all meet ups where Brits are present, therefore it is our fault.
Obecni Dum


I'm not able to upload any photos for fear of exploding afew's computer so my pics from Prague will make their appearance over the next week, once I return home.

At the meet up we had In Wales, Fran, Migeru, Barbara (and Jonathan), Helen, Nanne, Metatone, DoDo and JakeS, sitting in the luxurious art deco surroundings of the Municipal House, safe from the relentless, pouring rain.

We sampled the traditional Czech cuisine (heavy on the pork) and the scrumptious beer.  I'm terrible at retaining the names of beers/places/people so I will trust others to help fill in any gaps.

We talked about food, beer, nice places around Prague, yoga, economy, trade unions... plus many other things no doubt, but I cannot remember.

Once the full to bursting restaurant had become empty around us we decided to move on, saying goodbye to Barbara and then to DoDo and we braved the rain for the warmth of the Globe Bookstore which I had found the previous day. Over coffee, tea, milkshake and more beer the discussions continued into the evening.  We left sneaky OT messages for you all before we said goodbye to Migeru and Jonathan and headed across the river to a nice restaurant/bar for more beer and chat. We all parted on good terms.

Various mini meetups and sightseeing took place around this.  I met with Helen on the Thursday evening to sample beer at the famous Golden Tiger (although Helen says the beer is not as good as it once was), pig's knuckle and proper dark beer at U Fleku, before finding a bookshop/bar in a shopping arcade before we wandered off for the tram to retire for the night.  Friday evening we also met with metatone, nanne and migeru in a very nice underground bar called ???, sharing french fries and sausages and sampling the pilsner.  Then on sunday JakeS made his departure, and the rest of us partook in plenty of sightseeing and more food and drink in the evening - thanks to Helen's good beer guide to Prague, and we made our merry way out of Prague on the Monday (after a minor kerfuffle when I suddenly realised I had not actually booked my train ticket to Frankfurt...)

So there you have it. Photos will be added bit by bit, we'll happily take questions on beer, food and the sights of Prague and anything we may remember of our discussions, and I hope that your curiosity is satisfied.

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The underground bar was the "U Zeleneho stromu" (trans: the Bethlehem Tavern).

We didn't just have sausages and chips tho. InWales and I shared a smoked pork knee that was gigantic, there are probably smaller knees on giant hippos. Easily the best value meal we had all weekend, but I think I'd have had to have skipped several meals to make a dent on it by myself. Even between us we couldn't finish it, so metatone and nanne supplemented their own meals by finishing it off.

The beer in the Golden Tiger was the plain Pilsner Urquell, instead of the U Tanku (unfiltered & unpasteurised) beer that blew my palatte last year. I couldn't find that beer at all in Prague this year and went ot several pubs where it should have been. So sadly I fear it has been discontinued (I'm gonna have to write to CAMRA for confirmation).

So the best beer I had was the Bernard Krasnovice (unfiltered yeast beer). I have to admit that the reason I split early on Monday was cos my plan for getting to the airport included time to have a final half litre below the castle.

The second tastiest beer was definitely the Policka we drank in the bookshop bar. I love that place. There can't be anywhere else like it in the world.

The most outrageously priced beer of the weekend was in the airport where I was charged 135 crowns for a half litre. That's nearly 6 euros, kids !!!! In a town where a half litre runs between 1 & 2 euros.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 03:13:31 PM EST
Hats off regarding beer, BTW. The only man I saw capable of drinking as much as you is 120 kilos. And unlike on him, I saw little mind-altering effect on you :-)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 04:48:01 PM EST
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According to the venue I only drank 4 beers, which I think was generous cos I probably drank 4 beers in the first hour.

As for not getting drunk....hmm mixed blessing. I have few disincentives to slow down, but that's 30 years practice.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 05:02:49 PM EST
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Helen, the one time I wrote about this, you nearly fainted. But I broke my beer abstinence recently, I must report, with some Kronenbourg on tap drunk to a dear friend's health. Five years to the month after my last one, which was a half of Guinness in a village pub in Cambridgeshire. Funny that I should remember every detail, isn't it? :-)

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:55:04 PM EST
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"U Zeleneho stromu" (trans: the Bethlehem Tavern)

Do they actually have signs with that English name?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:30:14 AM EST
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Not a sign, but there is a bilingual board explaining the origin of the name.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:45:20 AM EST
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A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:43:36 AM EST
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And yes, lots of photos to come.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 03:14:57 PM EST
My time at the meetup, framed by a fixed train arrival and a train departure at what I thought to be a luxurious 5 hours apart, but shortened by a train delay (to my happiness, caused not by decrepit infrastructure but mayor line upgrades), was a little over three hours, but felt much shorter. I had barely time to talk with everyone, and then had to hurry for the next subway station...

Prior to the meetup, I thought I'd just ride my bike from Holešovice station to Obecní dům, and could get an email confirmation that they can store my bike. But arriving in shorts (it was 35°C the day before at home...) in the 15°C and heavy rain in Prague, I first ran around the station to buy various tickets and change my clothes. Then I ran around the subway, then I ran around Obecní dům, because there were three restaurants just on the ground floor. Then I heard my name and nickname, and saw Helen - down the basement to the fourth restaurant.

At the meetup, people seemed a bit tired. I don't know if it was the rain, the heavy food, prior meetups - or my own terrible headache. Speaking of which, I thought it comes from the knockout combination of not sleeping much for a week and eating heavy food, but two Heilpraktiker (Fran, Barbara) were on case to fault my bad gait, and I got a neck massage from a youthful Fran.

Previously, Migeru was lamenting that we bloggers reach the stage when we wrote down everything we had to say. To which Barbara drew the enthusiastic conclusion: so that's the point at which to end the whole blog thing!

The freshest member of our group was Jonathan, who was busy drawing, drawings reminding me of my recently rediscovered first album from age five. Except I drew trains and stars, while Jonathan had a spleen for deadly traps for cars! Maybe a future film director in Tarantino's footsteps?

Sitting over to the other end of the table, I found JakeS [who introduced himself without the S, enough to confuse me] and Metatone in an esoteric discussion about a socio-economic term I couldn't even memorise. But they explained in simpler terms that they talk about overproduction in the wake of rising productivity and stagnant population. What is the solution, how to employ people? I tought it's simple: make trash! Nanne agreed.

Later on, us four guys got into a deep discussion about why trade unions are losing importance. All the while, as usual, the one real expert was sitting with us in silence: In Wales. But we got her to talk.

And soon it was time for me to say good-bye. My only holiday this summer: a three-day bike tour, across the hills/mountains of Moravia from Pardubice to Brno, awaited me. And a pitched battle with the ladies at the ticket counter in Brno, but more on this in a later photo diary (which has to wait at least two weeks).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 04:38:20 PM EST
the general feeling was that you should have allowed us to lead you astray for an entire evening. 3 hours was just too little.

But it was lovely to see you at last. don't be a stranger, we'd love to see you again...tho for longer. I barely exchanged a word with you.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 04:58:16 PM EST
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Definitely too short, I barely exchanged a word with everyone. (The three hours felt like 20 minutes). I decided two weeks earlier to not stay in Prague for the night because (1) then you all seemed so undefinite about post-Meetup meetups, (2) I thought I can save money with a hotel outside the capital, (3) I grew anxious about whether I can make my bike trip in time (as it showed, not without reason).

I don't know when will be next time, I won't have time for Paris.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:27:16 AM EST
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Just to underline my miscalculation, I have been to Prague (I mean not just passing through) only once before, and I thought those five hours will be enough for a one-hour sight-seeing on the bike, too...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:32:54 AM EST
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Later in the evening, Mig came up with a rather more conventional solution: Have people pick up trash instead of having them make it. Old-fashioned, boring, straight out of Keynes' playbook, but it'd probably work better :-P

Also, we came to the conclusion that we need caps with ET logos on them so we can recognise each other at meetups (fifteen minutes after ETA we were still running around like headless chickens looking for each other, because of course we'd forgotten to exchange pictures beforehand :-P).

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 06:56:06 PM EST
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However, on my trip later on I thought that a nice way to produce more trash is specialisation. In olden times, we had a pair of shoes, a pair of boots and that's it. Now we have bike shoes, skate shoes, ski shoes, football shoes, boots for work in mud, boots for walking in snow and boots for the street, and so on. Same for bags, hats.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:19:54 AM EST
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It was nice meeting you DoDo, though the time was way to short. Hope there will be another and longer meeting. :-)

And I hope your headache improved. And I also hope your biking tour went well and was fun.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 02:35:26 AM EST
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Thanks to your massage, and three good night's sleeps in quiet hotel rooms, my headache went away by the time I had to battle the ladies at the Brno central station ticket counter. My bike trip was great, no rain and no heat and lots of nice scenery to see, though I had to face every possible obstacle to a cyclist except a flat tire.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:16:06 AM EST
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Thanks for this, In Wales and all.  It´s nice to hear about the conversations, but I´m sure there were a lot of laughs and stories with the beer too.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 06:16:32 PM EST
You actually found The Globe? Kudos to you!

It used to be in Holesevice, but the spot is now occupied by Dobre Douky, if I remember the spelling. Supposedly its now in Karlovy Namesti, but I swear I trekked up and down every square inch, and could not find it. That was in 2004, maybe they were still completing the move. Hard to believe, but they almost went out of business. The bookstore was never much, but in their old location, they had a great English brunch on Sundays.

I remember living in Prague in '99, every Sunday taking the #1 tram from Zizkhov...

by glacierpeaks (glacierpeaks@comcast.net) on Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:40:15 PM EST
It's here, Pštrossova 6, in Nove Mesto.

Looks like it's quite a lively place to go. Political meetings on thursday, damn...we missed out there.

however, even tho' I know it's a place dedicated to english, it did cement an impression that there's too much english in Prague. Even the main shopping streets are turning into clone towns for global brands. Stare Mesto is great with all the distinctive buildings, but I got the feeling generally that Prague was just beginning to lose its identity a little; less czech more anglo-global and I was disturbed by that.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 04:11:23 AM EST
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I agree Helen...in fact, you sort of hit on something that is bittersweet for me.

In the last semester of my baccalaureate degree, I lived in Prague, studying transitional economies at the Vysoka Skola Economicka. Classes weren't exactly rigorous, but they were still packed with learning...I saw in the Prague Post recently that one of my professors is now the chair of a committee that reviews standards for Czech MBA programs. Occasionally we would get out of the classroom and tour various businesses, to see how they were doing with the transition. We even went to a collective farm, and I remember when Dean Manas invited us to his family home in the country.

Of course, there was a strong cultural component to everything we did. Heck, just living there for six months gave you a chance to wear out your Time Out travel guide, and become an expert on LP's Thorn Tree. From Sparta Praha hockey games to Mucha to Sgt. Sjvek (sp) to the usual touristy stuff like musuems, symphonies, bars (more than I could ever hope to remember), clubs, vinarnas, kavarnas, and cuckrarnas. And a lot of hidden places that only my Czech friends new. I was 29: young enough to enjoy college fun, but old enough to start to really pick up on things going on around me. And that's a brief & magical intersection in life.

Back then, Prague had an entirely different feel to it. But you're right, a local friend there tells me that was right before everything changed, the economy turned around, etc. Which of course is good...except the city centre does seem more and more bland everytime I go back. Actually, I'm not sure I even recognize the place when I go back: the buildings are the same, but that's about it.

I harbor a secret hope that it is all just temporary, and that one day I will go back and find a Czech Prague, just as I left it...

by glacierpeaks (glacierpeaks@comcast.net) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 01:58:47 AM EST
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A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:40:22 AM EST
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Yes, exactly.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:46:38 AM EST
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Prag was fun! An amazing and interesting city, which I am happy I had the opportunity to see. Especially in such nice company.

As usual most of the time I forgot to take pictures, though I took more than I used to. :-)

I was mostly not in on Helen's beer tour, as I never aquired the taste for beer, or better for it's smell. I think it is the smell of yeast that turns me so vehemently off.

But Helen was also a great tour-guide other then pubs - and I got to know the area surrounding the castle well, thanks to Helen and In Wales.

What I love about these meetups is being able to put faces on those names from ET. And it is always fun to see if the image I had of the people is the same as they look in reality. Guess no need to mention that people often look different in reality. :-)

Well, DoDo looks in reality much more scholarly than my image and he is very nice!

JakeS surprised me at being much younger than I thought.

The others I knew from former meetups, thus I am looking forward to Paris to meet even more ETers. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 02:45:45 AM EST
I'm not in on the beer either, we could have been splitters :-)

JakeS once revealed his age on ET, for me the much-younger-than-I-thought surprise came then. So at the meetup, it was the other way - I expected him to look almost-teen :-)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 06:12:55 AM EST
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When you get a gaggle of Europeans together like this one, is there a predominant language you use?  Are there three/four languages all going at once?

Welcome to ET, Paul Krugman
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 03:12:28 PM EST
It varies a lot, depending who is clustered together. There's lots of English usage though, probably because ET's common language is English.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Aug 24th, 2008 at 03:38:50 PM EST
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Mostly english, but a lot of german too.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:43:36 AM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

I added two of my own pictures to the diary.

Here's a picture of InWales:



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 05:44:48 AM EST
Dreadful photo of me.  And people always accuse me of having lost weight whenever they see me.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:51:07 PM EST
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Which photos are of DoDo and JakeS?

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 06:58:04 AM EST
You can see us at the other end of the table, barely. But I'm kinda blurred on the picture of Fran and on the other one, DoDo is half obscured and my back is turned.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 07:10:44 AM EST
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I don't think DoDo wants his picture published.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 08:08:14 AM EST
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Well, since it's unlikely DoDo is coming to Paris maybe you or he can tell me something, like age, height etc.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 08:46:54 AM EST
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In the second photo that doesn't really look like Fran, and it appears that In Wales has lost some weight.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 08:49:51 AM EST

My picture of the meetup. Dodo has his back to the camera, which I hope satisfies his request for anonymity.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Aug 25th, 2008 at 12:37:56 PM EST
Thanks guys for the OFFICIAL report on the meet-up.

Now can we have all the scandal please?

Vote McCain for war without gain

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:00:15 PM EST
Tz, tz, tz - if you want to know more about that you will have to wait for Paris and find out yourself. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:09:50 PM EST
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But you promised that the secrets of Prague would be revealed in this diary!!!

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:21:28 PM EST
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The secret was that there was nothing scandalous to reveal.

I will diary my sightseeing of Prague over the next few days. Taking all afternoon to get my photos onto the computer though, so it may be a while before it is all pulled together!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:28:57 PM EST
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Ahhh! In Wales, did you have to tell them?! :-D I mean about the scandals.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:30:56 PM EST
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I was hoping to throw them off the scent. Do you think it worked?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:34:10 PM EST
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LOL!!! I hope so!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:37:39 PM EST
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Your cover story doesn't wash.  All this guff about food and drink and food and drink and food and drink - I know there must be a secret coded message here somewhere - like the third secret of Fatima or something...

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 12:55:05 PM EST
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

(Fran... the leprechaun has landed. All systems go. GO!)

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 01:08:03 PM EST
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Yes, yes! Ahem, I mean, Alpha, Charly, Tango,,, my - maybe I shouldn't have used the word Tango... :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 02:56:51 PM EST
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I didn't realise Colman was there too....

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Aug 26th, 2008 at 03:48:00 PM EST
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We chat over pudding

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Metatone tucks into pork and beer (the next day)

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Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:00:40 PM EST
Way to go to make me look greedy...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:07:28 AM EST
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Nanne and his beard watch the olympics

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and Fran leaves cryptic messages for you all on ET

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Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:02:10 PM EST
JakeS has plenty to say

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While metatone drinks his beer

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And Migeru watches for the camera

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Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:09:01 PM EST
that's a great portrait of migeru.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:47:14 PM EST
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Surely you jest.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:50:51 PM EST
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not at all. She did the same for me last year in Paris. The shot she took of me there is my parent's favourite.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 04:56:21 PM EST
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Great pictures!!! In Wales.

Why don's you pump your diary up so that more people can see it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:20:11 PM EST
Jonathan has clearly heard enough of all our rubbish

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In Wales and Fran at the top of the tv tower

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And Helen talks us through beer making

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Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:15:33 PM EST
all great pictures, but I like the one on the tv tower!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:56:45 AM EST
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Barbara was looking lovely

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Awwwww.

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Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:20:56 PM EST
This appears to have been quite an event! However, I would not, by sight, have branded this crowd as such "troublemakers" as one might have expected, given the various conversations held here on EuroTrib...  :-)
by asdf on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:34:15 PM EST
Well, of course, we were in disguise! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:56:03 AM EST
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