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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:47:28 PM EST
High Hopes as Cypriot Leaders Meet for Reunification Talks | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 03.09.2008
The leaders of the Greek and Turkish parts of Cyprus will begin reunification talks on Wednesday. While many doubt they will be successful, some say it's the island's best chance in a generation.

Leaders from Cyprus' Turkish and Greek sides are meeting on Wednesday, Sept. 3, to try and iron out a decade's long dispute. Observers are hoping that Greek Cypriot Demetris Christofias, the president of Cyprus, and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat will be able to settle a feud which has long defied international efforts and threatens to undermine Turkey's European Union aspirations.

 

A diplomat close to the negotiations, speaking on conditions of anonymity, told Reuters news agency that this is the best chance Cyprus has had in a generation.

 

"Both leaders are genuinely committed for a deal, and that is what was lacking before," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:49:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bridging the Divide: A Chance for Peace in Cyprus - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

For decades, the island of Cyprus has been divided between the Turkish north and the Greek south. Now, leaders of the two sides are optimistic that reunification can be achieved. Talks began on Wednesday.

The conflict has been deadlocked for decades. But this week, talks between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots to reunite their Mediterranean island have begun again in earnest. This time, say observers, there is a very real chance that an agreement will be reached.

 People on Ledra Street in the divided Cypriot capital of Nicosia. "It is time to end the long-lingering Cyprus problem and to give the Cypriot people the better future they deserve," said Cypriot President Demetris Christofias, who is representing the Greek Cypriot community in the talks. "We have a common will and a common desire."

Christofias' comments came just after 90 minutes of talks with Mehmet Ali Talat, president of Turkish northern Cyprus, a region recognized as an independent nation by only one government -- Turkey's. The two met in a building that once belonged to the country's main airport, but now sits in no-man's land, in the east-west scar that divides the island. Their talks, in the presence of former Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, who was appointed the UN special envoy for Cyprus in July, were meant to set the stage for further talks set to begin next week.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:55:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fantastic news !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:29:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, it is nice to post hopeful news for a change!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:45:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed. glad to see such good news; they were both played for saps by the powers that were. But I suppose that has been the case for a few thousand years.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 06:01:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you think that Turkey is conceding that EU membership is impossible with this issue outstanding?
by paving on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 01:06:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When they can come together in the proper manner, then no one has to do any conceding and no one has to make the other take blame.

Things were pointing this way by small measures for the last few years.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 04:43:06 AM EST
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I don't think this is under Turkey's control anymore. I may well be wrong but I got the impression that Turkey has been for some resolution, any resolution, for a fair old while, but that the Cypriots themselves were the problem. At the last referendum wasn't it the greek cypriots who threw a spanner in the works cos they didn't like the conditions the previous turkish cypriots imposed ?

Now you have two sides on the island who are both working open-mindedly for a solution. I I hope good things come from this quickly.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:32:30 AM EST
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It's exactly the opposite.

Turkey is AGAINST a resolution, and the Cypriots (both sides are for it).

And for that reason these talks are going absolutely nowhere.

Everyone on the island and in diplomatic circles knows it.

Furtehrmore, even the UN does because they appointed a noted rabble rouser to oversee the talks.

by Upstate NY on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:00:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Surely if the North Cypriot government asked Turkey to withdraw its troops, they would have to do it?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:04:17 PM EST
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Why do you assume that?

The Turkish military nearly overthrew their own gov't recently. They could snap their fingers instantly and the current gov't in North Cyprus would collapse overnight.

Just last week there was a controversy in which the north's PM had promised pilgrims they could visit a church in the north. Much to his embarrassment and chagrin, the military prevented the visit, this despite the fact the border crossings had been open for months.

The Cyprus problem won't be solved until Turkey is on the doorstep of the EU. I read the Turkish papers everyday, and everyone considers Cyprus a great card for Turkey to play in negotiations with the EU.

Finally, the events in Kosovo and Georgia give the TRNC hope.

by Upstate NY on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:01:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So you say Turkey has forced the Northern Cypriots to demand conditions in the last plan, which Southern Cypriots could not accept?

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:29:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't need to say this. The Turkish Cypriots have said it.

Regardless, what they're asking for now goes way beyond even the last Annan Plan which was rejected. Having two states in a confederation was not in the cards.

by Upstate NY on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:53:51 AM EST
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Irish campaigner pleads for EU-wide Lisbon vote - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The leader of the Irish No campaign, Daclan Ganley, has renewed calls for an EU-wide referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, as Irish media reported parts of the pact may be ratified by the Irish parliament instead.

"I can tell you as a citizen having read the Treaty and campaigned on it, it is undemocratic and unacceptable to the majority of my country. Nor do I believe it is acceptable to the majority of the citizens in other countries", Mr Ganley said at a public debate in the European Parliament on Tuesday (2 September).

The only chance for a Lisbon Treaty revival would be to hold a pan-European referendum, says Declan Ganley

In the view of Mr Ganley - who dislikes being labelled as "anti-European" - the Lisbon Treaty has no future, but if it were to be revived, the only option would be to hold a pan-European referendum.

Recognizing the need for a new treaty that responds to the current international situation, Ganley said that the only viable formula would be a text "that is short, readable and that everyone gets to vote on."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:50:17 PM EST
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Right, but first, amend the Treaty to say that it will come into force if 50% vote yes on 50% turnout EU-wide, but it will apply only to those Member States in which 50% vote yes on 50% turnout.

It's not the first time Treaty provisions don't apply to all member states, so that can be managed.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:15:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Croatia gets reassurance on EU bid - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - EU enlargement, particularly to the Western Balkan countries, is set to feature high on the agenda of the bloc's two presidencies in 2009, with Croatia seen as likely to conclude its EU membership talks next year, said the Czech Republic and Sweden - the next two member states to hold the EU's six-month rotating chairmanship after France.

Croatia hopes to become the EU's 28th member by 2011 at the latest.

The Balkans seem to have been somehow "forgotten in the light of the current [Georgia] crisis," Czech deputy prime minister Alexandr Vondra, whose country will assume the EU's presidency in the first half of 2009, said at a press conference in Brussels on Tuesday (2 September).

"We expect to move talks to the final stage with at least Croatia [during the Czech EU presidency]," he added.

EU-Croatia accession talks were launched in 2005. The country is hoping to finalise them next year and become the EU's 28th member by 2011 at the latest.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:51:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Baltic states need NATO help, US says - EUobserver

NATO should show Russia it would defend the Baltic states - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - in the event of attack, the US has said, as Russia's recent invasion of Georgia continues to send ripples through European security arrangements.

"They are feeling a little rattled by seeing Russia use military force to invade a sovereign, small neighbouring country. We need to send signals to shore them up a little bit," US ambassador to NATO, Kurt Volker, told the Financial Times in an interview on Tuesday (2 September).

Latvia and Estonia have large ethnic-Russian minorities

The "signals" could come in the form of military "planning and exercising" and "not in a provocative way," he explained.

"We will have to make sure ... that the Article 5 commitment is realisable not just as a political matter but as a military matter too," Mr Volker added. "NATO being credible is what's important."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:51:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How is this playing in your neck of the woods?  My response is, "USA, BUTT OUT!"

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:55:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is difficult really as the Baltic states are bona fide NATO members with substantial russian minorites. Course, we might all wish to rewind the clock and say that offering membership wasn't the best strategic idea we could have had, but we are where we are.

So the US statement is a statement of reality, but is unhelpful in the same way that a lot of US actions and statements of the post-Soviet era are now unhelpful. Not so much butt out, but STFU would be nice.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:37:50 AM EST
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So being NATO members is not rnough of a guarantee? I'd be a Balt I'dfind this worrying.

And the reference to Article 5 from a US Ambassador is rather ironic, given that the US is the only country of the Alliance in favor of which that article was ever invoked, IIRC... and they declined the help.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:07:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OECD warns Britain of recession risk - EUobserver

France and Britain have seen the biggest cut in 2008 growth forecast by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the Paris-based think-tank linking the 30 richest countries in the world, published on Tuesday (2 September).

Europe's two largest economies - Germany and France - will barely grow at all this year, according to OECD experts, with Germany's prediction for 2008 average growth down from 1.9 percent to 1.5 percent and France's down from 1.8 percent to 1.0 percent.

The UK economy is facing it's worst state in 60 years, according to the country's chancellor

Britain's GDP for this year is expected to be 1.2 percent rather than the 1.8 percent predicted earlier, while the Italian economy is facing the poorest performance, with average 2008 growth predicted to be 0.1 percent, down from 0.5 percent.

The OECD suspects that all 15 member states of the euro area will avoid a technical recession - regarded as two consequent quarters of contraction - although altogether, the eurozone will only grow by 1.3 percent, not 1.7 percent as said earlier.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:52:27 PM EST
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see Stiglitz explain it all - here

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:40:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
[ET Moderation Technology™]

Please make sure to use the comments link

http://www.eurotrib.com/comments/2008/8/26/11412/9446/62

rather than the story link

http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2008/8/26/11412/9446#62

...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:44:51 AM EST
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Where's the comments link then ?? I can only find the story link by clicking on the date, which is traditionally the reference link across many sites.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:41:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Things like the parent link, or clicking on the average rating display (e.g., none / 0 or 2/4) will display the comment link.

Read Comment from the recent comments page also sort of works...

(SCOOP is crap...)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:50:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And while we're at it. What's the problem iwth the story link ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:03:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The story link loads the entire diary and comments and uses an anchor, which browsers sometimes fail to navigate to properly. The comment link just loads the comment and the subthread below it.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:05:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Conditions Set On EU Candidate Status for Serbia | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 03.09.2008
Serbia wants EU candidacy status next year, but needs to hand over more war criminals to the UN tribunal first, the bloc said. Other differences between Brussels and Belgrade run from trade to Kosovo.

Belgrade stressed the need to ratify a trade agreement with the EU, but disagrees with EU on Kosovo.

 

Serbia could get EU candidate status in 2009, said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso at a Brussels news briefing on Wednesday, Sept. 3, with Serbian President Boris Tadic in attendance.

 

"It would be possible to give candidate status to Serbia, but this is not a commitment," Barroso said. "It depends on conditions being fulfilled."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:52:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Analysis: Europe Hopes to Reduce Russian Energy Dependency | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 03.09.2008
This week's EU summit declaration on Georgia was kept markedly short when it came to energy. But the two sentences contain an important message for European leaders on diversifying energy suppliers.

Section 9 of the EU summit declaration on Georgia was a mere two sentences. The first said, "Recent events illustrate the need for Europe to intensify its efforts with regard to the security of energy supplies."

 

The Council of Ministers and the European Commission should examine ways to diversify energy sources and supply routes, it added.

 

EU Energy Commissioner Andris Piebalgs told journalists on Tuesday, Sept. 2, that the summit's decision will strengthen and accelerate the policy we have launched. Piebalgs said he plans to present his revised strategy for Europe's energy policy by early November.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:53:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
are all about more liberalisation - which brings more gas-fire power plants.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:08:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Because the goal is liberalisation for its own sake, not as a means to an end.

If liberalisation were a means to improve energy policy, it could be debated whether it is the best means to achieve that end. If liberalisation is the goal, there's no debate on it.

And, if you think about it, the Commission's job is to further the single market.

This is beginning to read like Stiglitz's critique of the IMF.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:20:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
At what point is somebody with sufficient clout going to start questioning whether liberalisation is quite the most effective tool to ensure energy independence and security ? That it actually might be making the problem worse.

But I guess they're serious people so we DFHs should just shut up

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:44:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Parliament strongly backs hydrogen cars - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The European Parliament has called on the EU's executive to introduce measures to support the roll-out of a Europe-wide filling-station network for hydrogen-powered cars and develop common standards for the vehicles across all member states.

MEPs almost unanimously adopted a report on Wednesday (3 September) drafted by members of the centre-right European Peoples' Party grouping in the parliament on hydrogen-powered vehicles.

Hydrogen-powered cars are not zero-emission vehicles at all, warn green groups.

The legislative report was adopted with 644 votes in favour, two against and 11 abstentions.

MEPs believe a key support measure would be the development of common EU standards for the experimental transport concept.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:53:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Where is the hydrogen going to come from???

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:20:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Obvoiously from the herd of biofuel powerd magic ponies they just bought. Duh !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:46:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
well they could make hydrogen from solar, but unless you get the sahara 'plated', i think you're going to end up with very few who can afford to drive their hydrogen lexus around.

the rest can walk, or fix up their old banger to run off wood gas, like they cobbled together during ww2.

until you burned up all the wood...

they're obviously going to try anything and everything before actually facing the music.

they're made that way... still conning most of the people, most of the time.

we have much work to do to turn this around, but reality is on our side, and will keep painting 'them' into ever tighter a corner, counting ever more on people not to inform and empower each other, 180° opposite direction from lying, ignorant government stooges.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:00:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Guardian: How Africa's desert sun can bring Europe power (December 2 2007)
A £5bn solar power plan, backed by a Jordanian prince, could provide the EU with a sixth of its electricity needs - and cut carbon emissions

...

Europe is considering plans to spend more than £5bn on a string of giant solar power stations along the Mediterranean desert shores of northern Africa and the Middle East.

...

Last week Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan presented details of the scheme - named Desertec - to the European Parliament. 'Countries with deserts, countries with high energy demand, and countries with technology competence must co-operate,' he told MEPs.



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:33:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
yup, this is being more and more talked about, do you think anyone is really serious about doing more than talk?

we could make hydrogen from wind also.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:40:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hydrogen is a very dumb choice of synthetic fuel in any event (gaseous and very flammable - needs to be stored under pressure or super-cooled). How about Dimethyl Ether?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:53:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Boils at -23C? Isn't that going to make storage, transport and tanking only slightly less interesting than for hydrogen?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:19:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
250 K boiling point against 20K boiling point. Put in the fact, that cooling becomes more difficult the cooler you want it, and that heating up is proportional to the difference with the environemt - in one case ~50K on a hot day in the other ~ 250K with frost.

This is a dimension different.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:38:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The way Francois in Paris put it is
Its handling is similar to LPG and it can be stored as a liquid in low pressure tanks. Big difference with methane (very high pressures or cryo).
Hydrogen also requires "very high pressures or cryo". Think butane cans...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:41:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
doesn't it seep through any container trying to hold it too?

don't the cars run off some kind of hydrogen pellets?

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 04:08:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In the end, if you survive, man will follow the path that the rest of the biosphere went ... solar.  They solved the problem eons ago, left behind their fossils for us to utilize, but in the end, there's only one source of energy on this planet ... the sun.  Get used to it.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:38:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine in snap election warning

Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has threatened to dissolve parliament and call elections after the collapse of the country's ruling coalition.

Mr Yushchenko's supporters walked out in protest following new laws trimming the president's powers.

The laws were introduced by the pro-Russian opposition and backed by Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko's party.

Former allies, the prime minister and president are now at odds despite sharing pro-Western political goals.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:55:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ukraine government teeters amid President Yushchenko 'coup' claim - Times Online

The shock waves from the war in Georgia sparked a new crisis in Ukraine today as the pro-Western Orange coalition fell apart in acrimony.

President Viktor Yushchenko accused his former ally, Prime Minister Yuliya Tymoshenko, of forging a pro-Russian alliance to curtail his powers. He claimed that a "coup" was under way, just a day before Dick Cheney, the US Vice-President, is due to visit the Ukrainian capital Kiev.

Mrs Tymoshenko fired back that the President had destroyed the pro-Western Government after deputies from Mr Yushchenko's party quit her ruling coalition. Mr Yushchenko threatened to call a snap election unless a new coalition was formed within 30 days.

The crisis erupted after parliament passed new laws restricting the powers of the President and making it easier to impeach him. The Tymoshenko Bloc voted with the Party of Regions, the pro-Moscow opposition led by the former Prime Minister, Viktor Yanokovych, to pass the legislation.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:58:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I wonder if he panics, our mr. cheney. Or if his greed was sated long ago and all these signs of unravelings are merely nuisances.

He made so much money for his buddies in so little time. He saw the millions the gave to the Gipper when he was put to pasture, he must be expecting an exponential amount more. No books, no signings, just hunting with his buddies and million dollar bills fall from their pockets.

Yuliya is an oil billionaire. He probably thinks that he can talk some sense into her.
 

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 07:01:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Second time this happens - the first time was in the first parliamentary term after Yushchenko won the Presidency, where Tymoshenko allied herself with Yanukovich. In this second parliamentary term (brought about by Yushchenko dissolving the parliament after forcing a crisis over the PM appointment) Tymoshenko allied herself with Yushchenko but it hasn't lasted. See also this recent Salon thread.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:24:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
French 'don't want to put in extra hours at work' - Telegraph
President Nicolas Sarkozy's key electoral promise to allow the French to "work more to earn more" has hit a major snag: most have no desire to put in extra hours to raise their wages, a poll has found.

With the economy floundering and the French consistently complaining that falling purchasing power is their main worry, only a quarter are prepared to work more to raise their standard of living.

Almost six out of ten have no desire to increase their working hours, according to a CSA poll published in the Le Parisien newspaper.

Some 13 per cent would like to work less, even if that means seeing living standards drop.

The figures were published as new legislation diluting the 35-hour working week comes into force this month.

Companies can now negotiate with unions or directly with employees wishing to work longer hours - up to 48 per week. In theory, workers receive 25 per cent more for overtime, but the polls suggests that not many intend to take it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Practically the same bs Thatcher in Britain used 25 years ago.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:52:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
there's more to life than work and money.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:09:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
only a quarter are prepared to work more to raise their standard of living quantity of lifestyle.
There, fixed it... Why would people want an increased quantity of lifestyle when they can have better quality of life through more time off?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 02:44:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"most have no desire to put in extra hours to raise their wages, a poll has found."

Oh, UMP has been addressing that all along, with their 'let's emulate USA strategy': make the wages low enough and the prices high enough that they will have no choice.
Works a treat in the end.


"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 05:57:52 AM EST
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Companies can now negotiate with unions or directly with employees wishing to work longer hours

Longer hours are not a choice that belongs to the employee but to the employer...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:00:18 AM EST
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...and the big omission: this only applies to hourly (non-exempt) employees. For exempts (professionals & managers), there's no such thing as overtime pay and no such thing as 35h work week either, BTW.

But why let the cliché get in the way of a good story. Read an interview of M.Rollier (Michelin CEO) recently: he said that foreigners visiting their HQ in Clermont-Ferrand were always surprised to see how many hours their French colleagues were putting at work...

Same old, same old...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 03:36:21 PM EST
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Georgians eager to rebuild army - International Herald Tribune

TBILISI, Georgia: Just weeks after Georgia's military collapsed in panic in the face of the Russian Army, its leaders hope to rebuild and train its armed forces as if another war with Russia is almost inevitable.

Georgia is already drawing up lists of options, including restoring the military to its prewar strength or making it a much larger force with more modern equipment, like air-defense systems, modern antiarmor rockets and night-vision devices.

Officials at the Pentagon, State Department and White House confirmed that the Bush administration was examining what would be required to rebuild Georgia's military, but stressed that no decisions had been made. The choices each pose difficult foreign policy questions.

Georgia's decision to attack Russian and South Ossetian forces raises questions about the wisdom of further United States investment in the Georgian military, which in any case would further alienate Russia. Not doing so could lead to charges of abandoning Georgia in the face of Russian threats.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:01:55 PM EST
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Dutch draw up drastic measures to defend coast against rising seas - International Herald Tribune

THE HAGUE, Netherlands: The Netherlands needs a massive new building program to strengthen the low-lying country's water defenses against the anticipated effects of global warming for the next 190 years, an important panel advised Wednesday.

The plan by the Delta Commission includes more than €100 billion, or $144 billion, in new spending through the year 2100 to take measures such as broadening coastal dunes and strengthening sea and river dikes. It is expected to be the central reference point for policymakers for decades to come.

"We're not trying to scare people, because there's still time to act," said the panel chairman Cees Veerman, handing the report to Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in a nationally televised news conference. Balkenende promised to immediately begin drafting its recommendations into law.

"Whatever social or economic hardship this country faces, water runs through it," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:01:34 AM EST
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I am gelling a diary that needed this issue to make it work.

Right now we have finally gotten to the point where people are willing/able to say things like this in public, without fear of being shot down.

But, similar to the Maginot Line being built, if the pressure is taken off, for whatever reason, there will be failures that get a lot of people killed.

In the case of the Maginot Line, France completed its bits, and it was impregnable. But construction was halted in the north for political and financial reasons. We all know what happened then.

In a few years it could be that the trend is noticed - that the earth has entered a cold spell. It will appear to neutralize the warming trend and take off the pressure. It is predicted to only last for a decade.

If pressure is allowed to fail on transportation and energy infrastructure, the history books will say ""We all know what happened then."

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 04:52:58 AM EST
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"the history books will say ""We all know what happened then." "

That's assuming there will be any history books.

I would bet on it of course -because if there are none (which I fear is highly possible), it will mean there will be no way to collect the money. But that's not exactly a rousing endorsement of the likelihood of it.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 05:56:05 AM EST
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about sea level rise. Too few people know about the effects of land subsidence...

From: http://home.tiscali.nl/~wr2777/NAP-niveau.htm

by Nomad on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:00:06 AM EST
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From the UK including pictures of shrinkage

Nature Reserves - Holme Fen

Holme Fen NNR is the lowest point in Britain, lying at the most westerly end of the East Anglian fens on the shore of the former Whittlesey Mere.

Over many years drainage of the surrounding farm land has caused the peat to shrink. This shrinkage has been recorded by the Holme Fen Post, a cast-iron column that was sunk into the fen in 1852. The column  was sunk till its top was level with the peat surface, but it now stands some 4 m above ground level.



Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:10:41 AM EST
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It would be interesting to know what predictions about sea level rise are being used by the Netherlands in their sea wall planning. Hansen suggests http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg19526141.600-huge-sea-level-rises-are-coming--un less-we-act-now.html that there could be 5 meters of rise by 2095, let alone the 2200 mentioned as a planning horizon.

Are they proposing to put up sea walls that are an additional 5 meters high?

by asdf on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:01:39 AM EST
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Blow for women in battle for top jobs - Home News, UK - The Independent

Women are losing the battle for gender equality in Britain's workplaces after years of progress, a report shows today.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission's annual study, which looks at the number of women given top positions in business, politics and the public sector, found women's representation had fallen in almost half the industries surveyed. It is the biggest backward step for workplace gender equality in the five years the study has been carried out.

Nicola Brewer, chief executive of the commission, said the report exposed the "clear trend" that gender equality in Britain's workplaces across the board had either hit the buffers or was in reverse. She described the findings as a "powerful symptom of a wider failure" to challenge the long-held assumption that child care was a woman's responsibility.

The commission's assessment found that the proportion of women holding key positions in British life had fallen in 12 out of the 25 categories surveyed in 2006. In politics, fewer women now hold positions of power in Parliament, the Cabinet and in the UK's regional assemblies. It would take two centuries, or another 40 elections, for women to reach parity with men on the benches of the House of Commons, the report says.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:02:25 AM EST
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interesting, in france and italy there are more women in gvt lately, n'est-ce pas?

i think the problem with the transition phase between pre- and post feminism is that women have made the step towards the middle more than men have, so instead of changing the work environment in order to better accomodate womens' needs, while women have learned to modulate towards a male workplace, men have not done enough in return.

we need more home time for men after childbirth, as already happens in some other countries.

it's rough being a kid in the UK. there's more affection for dogs, generally.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:51:56 AM EST
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War in Georgia exposes NATO's fault lines - International Herald Tribune

BERLIN: As a signal to Russia that NATO will not be intimidated, its ambassadors will travel to Georgia this month. They want to see the aftermath of a war in which Russian troops last month occupied parts of Georgia, gained control of the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and then recognized them as independent states. The envoys also want to assess whether Georgia is ready to be offered, in December, a road map to join the alliance.

Russia is furious with NATO's refusal to back down from its commitment to admit - one day - Georgia and Ukraine into the U.S.-led military alliance, a pledge made during its summit meeting last April in Bucharest and repeated since Russia rolled into Georgia after the Georgians attacked South Ossetia. Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, told students of Moscow's diplomatic academy Monday that "there is a feeling that NATO again needs front-line states to justify its existence."

NATO diplomats dismiss such charges. Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, NATO's secretary general, has repeatedly said that democratic countries flanking Russia should be an asset, not a threat, to the Kremlin. But Russia does not trust NATO. In Moscow's view, NATO, and the EU, have become more anti-Russian since the former Communist countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic states joined both organizations. It also sees the alliance as encroaching on regions Russia considers within its sphere of influence.

But inside NATO, despite the show of unity over the Russia-Georgia crisis, there is no consensus as to whether the alliance should expand deep into the Caucasus, or admit Ukraine, birthplace of Russian Orthodoxy. Indeed, Georgia is just the latest challenge to the alliance's identity: since the end of the Cold War, NATO has been trying to reinvent itself.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 12:14:19 AM EST
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Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, NATO's secretary general, has repeatedly said that democratic countries flanking Russia should be an asset, not a threat, to the Kremlin

Democratic countries are nice things. But just having a vote every now and again doesn't make you democratic. Suppressing opposition doesn't make you democratic. Jeez, bulgaria is in NATO as well as the EU and you should ask its people what they think of their democracy.

And what has that got to do with NATO anyway ? Should all democratic countries be in NATO ? New zealand perhaps ? Venezuala ? If the USA has a "back-yard" where it insists on retaining a controlling military interest, why is Russia not allowed the same ?

At least if NATO is to make any sense, all countries should have useful supply lines that make its borders sensibly defensible. Ukraine and Georgia don't. I'm not really sure the Baltic states do either, but what's done is done regarding them.

Right now we have an alliance that makes no strategic sense and seems to be evolving into some sort of American Foreign Legion. It then justifies its existence by starting fires all over the place in order to be able to go out and fight them (if not necessarily put them out). Which allows it to expand endlessly into areas where it has no possible legitimate interest except that of furthering American hegemonic control.

Europe is sleepwalking into bankrolling American militarism, allowing our political institutions to be sequestered in the name of defending another coutry's interests. Interests that are increasingly contrary to our own.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:01:47 AM EST
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I thought that the CIA had a policy of never confirming or denying that someone works for the CIA, because otherwise not denying that someone works for them will effectively be a confirmation. But then I see, an an AP report:
The CIA on Wednesday denied White was working for the U.S. intelligence agency.
So much for that policy. The article then says
"While we do not as a rule confirm or deny employment with the agency, in this case, any suggestion that Michael Lee White is a CIA officer is wrong," said Marie Harf, a CIA spokeswoman.
Once you start making exceptions to your policy, it's going to be very hard to stop.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 03:17:41 AM EST
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Seen in El Pais [ES]

AP via Google: Source: Madrid crash probe focuses on wing flaps

The pilots of a Spanair SA plane that crashed last month in Madrid, killing 154 people, failed to extend wing flaps that are needed to give the aircraft enough lift for takeoff, according to a person familiar with the investigation.

...

Flaps are moveable panels on the trailing edge of a plane's wings and provide extra lift during takeoff. The Spanair pilots should have received a warning -- a loud horn in the cockpit -- alerting them that the flaps were not extended before takeoff.

The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the investigation, reported on its Web site Wednesday that investigators have focused on the theory that an electrical problem prevented the horn from sounding.

Annoyingly anonymous sourcing...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 05:43:31 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:47:51 PM EST
BBC NEWS | Europe | Cheney in ex-Soviet energy call

US Vice-President Dick Cheney has said the US wants to work with Azerbaijan on additional routes for exporting the region's oil reserves to the West.

He also pledged support for US allies in the former Soviet Union.

A BBC correspondent says the US sees the states as key allies in protecting access to the region's energy supplies.

Mr Cheney - who will also visit Georgia and Ukraine - spoke as US officials revealed President Bush was to announce a $1bn (£0.5bn) aid package to Georgia.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 02:56:21 PM EST
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There's no need for additional routes for the volumes of oil that are in the Caspian. The BTC is more than enough.

And given that you only have a couple of hundred kilometers between Russia and Iran, it's going to be hard to find routes that don't cross either and are not close to Russian military hardware.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:11:26 PM EST
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NATO stages commando raid inside Pakistan, Islamabad says - International Herald Tribune

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan: Two helicopters carrying NATO forces landed in a Pakistani village in South Waziristan near the border with Afghanistan early Wednesday morning and the soldiers opened fire on villagers, killing seven people, according to a spokesman for the Pakistani military.

The account by the spokesman, Major General Athar Abbas, broadcast on Pakistani television Wednesday evening, described what appeared to be the first commando attack by NATO forces against the Taliban inside Pakistan.

Pakistan has lodged a "strong protest" with the U.S. government and reserved the right of "self defense and retaliation," the general said. Local residents said most of the dead were women and children but this could not be immediately confirmed.

The administration of President George W. Bush has accused Pakistan in recent months of not doing enough to curb attacks by the Taliban, who maintain bases inside the Pakistani tribal region and cross the border to attack American and coalition soldiers in Afghanistan.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:58 PM EST
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Is this yet another cas of NATO used as a figleaf for disputable US actions?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:12:17 PM EST
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Given that this is happening way outside NATO's nominal territorial remit (the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?), that would seem a fair assumption.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 03:11:45 AM EST
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Let them do that - that way they will discredit NATO which can't but be a good thing.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 06:26:58 AM EST
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I wish it would discredit NATO, but there has been considerable media push lately to say that the reason we can't "help" Afghanistan is cos of those obsinate mullahs in Pakistan. If only we could take the gloves off like we weren't allowed to do in Vietnam Central America Iraq Iran, we'd solve this problem in five minutes. USA USA USA

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:06:49 AM EST
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The likelihood that within five years Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan will all be at war (externally and internally) is quite large.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:14:26 AM EST
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how?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:58:04 AM EST
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And I said that would be a good thing, where?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:00:04 AM EST
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NATO being discredited, so it's a possible conclusion. Not the only one, by all means.

but where did you see that I said that you said it was a good thing? ;-)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:06:06 AM EST
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Coalition forces'' attack kills 20 in S Waziristan - GEO.tv
WANA: Pakistani government confirmed that 20 people were killed in coalition forces' attack at Angorada area of South Waiziristan on Wednesday morning.

NWFP Governor Owais Ahmed Ghani strongly condemned the incident and termed it an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty.

Earlier, Geo News correspondent Mushtaq Yousufzai tod four helicopters of coalition forces landed in Angaorada in the wee hours of Wednesday and started search operation.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:22:17 PM EST
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I'm sure we will soon see photos of Pakistanis welcoming their liberators with open arms.
by asdf on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:03:47 AM EST
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I received this by email a few days ago, got authorisation to post it, but got distracted by other things:


Russia is not easy to deal with but the Bush administration has not dealt with Russia at all sensibly.

It is perfectly obvious that Russia has launched a preemptive strike against Georgian membership of NATO, which America was promoting. America's bluff has been called. I think the problem is so often that American officials are overly academic. They have concepts and projects they want to implement, like spreading "democracy and the rule of law". But their mindset cannot fully engage with what is happening on the ground, or accept that the Russian point of view is not the same as theirs, but still has to be taken seriously because Russia is Georgia's neighbour. Because people believed Georgia ought to become an American military bastion, they forgot that Georgia as an American bastion is not a terribly practical idea, given the power and the thinking of the current regime in Moscow. As George Kennan said, Americans in foreign policy can sometimes be "moralistic in the demands placed on others, and self-righteous in the degree of rectitude they impute to themselves". After all, what made Georgia interesting to the United States as a place to implant "American values" was its importance as an energy transit country! The American policy that might have served Georgia better would have been to find a way to ensure that liberalising Georgia could be achieved without antagonising Russia. Instead, the Americans made Georgia more of a thorn in Russia's side through the prospect of NATO membership when they did not have any real will to protect Georgia in the event of a Russian attack. The western media often fails to appreciate that Russia is genuinely frightened by NATO expansion so close to its own borders, particularly if this involves the stationing of nuclear weapons.

In the end, the only way this problem is going to be solved is by bilateral negotiations between Moscow and Washington. If you are not prepared to go to war, and the USA is not, then you have to negotiate. And there is no point in threatening Russia with a loss of respect around the world because the EU, China and the United States are going to continue to do business with Russia whatever happens to Georgia. My worry is that Washington does not really know how to do this kind of diplomacy. There has been a combination of reproaches, inaction and empty threats, when what is required from Washington is some tough negotiating that will safeguard the independence of the former Soviet satellites and at the same time, normalise Russia's relations with them.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:18:18 PM EST
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As an addendum. I had received permission to post, but was not sure about giving the name. But I got authorisation for that too, so here it is: this was sent to me by Joseph Altman, who further sends me this:


Thank you for posting my comment. Actually in The Times the former British Ambassador to Washington (of all people) has also said that the NATO membership for the former Soviet Union countries was not a sensible idea. I used to think of him as the American Ambassador to Great Britain because he was always back in London for TV appearances trying to win support for the invasion of Iraq. His remarks about the European Union are very silly. These people remind me slightly of minor characters in "The Remains of the Day". Still it might interest you.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article4656255.ece

I really respect what your President is trying to do. I hope the Americans will give him their support. I am actually pro-American in the end (not very pro-Bush though) but I also love "the old Europe"!

I'm not sure I'd fully agree with the last comment on Sarkozy, given that most of what he does is for show rather than substantial, but it's true that he has been a moderating rather than a worsening force on that particular crisis, in his eagerness to get "peace" headlines.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:01:28 AM EST
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These people remind me slightly of minor characters in "The Remains of the Day".

Ouch!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 09:10:19 AM EST
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'scuse me Jerome, but could remind us of who Joseph Altman is?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 03:53:06 PM EST
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I have no other credentials known to me...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:53:00 AM EST
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I just found an interesting blog that collects stories on religion and state in Israel. I had thought that nothing could surprise me any more, until I saw the following:
Rabbis: Light rail train 'a disaster for Judaism'

Ultra-Orthodox Rabbinical Transportation Committee strongly opposes new form of transportation in Jerusalem, saying it constitutes `a huge step backwards on a worldly, spiritual level alike'

As far as I can tell, the main problem is that it might replace seggregated buses, but I still don't really get it.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 04:47:36 PM EST
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The ultra-orthodox do seem to have got a bee in their bonnets in the last few years about mixing with women. Feminists have tried to protest, because the discrimination is illegal. But they cannot get any official support, the ultras can do what they like.

All very islamic if you ask me, should they request support from Saudi Arabia ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:16:24 PM EST
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Why go to Saudi Arabia, when they can get inspiration from Rosa Parks:
It also has sparked a row over who may lay claim to the legacy of Rosa Parks, the African-American civil rights activist who famously refused to obey an Alabama bus driver's order to give her seat to a white passenger. Opponents of segregation say the mantle is theirs. But enthusiasts for segregation have begun to argue that by making their way to the back of the bus, they are actually Parks's heirs.

"I see Haredi women who sit at the back as being the Israeli Rosa Parks," said writer Shira Leibowitz Schmidt, one of the leading proponents of segregation. "We see it as a stand against the deterioration of standards in the public arena, and view the chance to sit at the back without men gazing at us as a form of empowerment."

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:26:15 PM EST
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Stockholm syndrome. Feminist history is littered with the arguments of women who embraced their oppression, claiming it as liberating. It's like islamic women arguing for the veil. fine for them, but what about those who want freedom to choose ? Who insist, rightly, that hiding away from men does not liberate, it imprisons.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 05:33:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The New Republic: Falling Down (by Joseph Stiglitz on September 10, 2008)
No manufacturing. No new ideas. What's our economy based on?

More than 75 years ago, confidence in the market economy got a rude shock as the world sank into the Great Depression. Adam Smith had said that the market led the economy, as if by an invisible hand, to economic efficiency and societal wellbeing. It was hard to believe that Smith was right when one in four Americans was out of a job. Some economists held true to their faith in self-re