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Inequality kills.

by Colman
Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:05:58 AM EST

From the Guardian:
Social injustice and a "toxic" mix of bad policies is killing on a grand scale around the world and in the UK, according to a major United Nations report published today.

The gap between rich and poor is such that a child born in the Glasgow suburb of Calton can expect to live 28 years less than one born in Lenzie, eight miles away.

This substantial gap between the life expectancy of children of the most affluent and privileged, and those who are born into deprivation and get fewer chances as they grow up is present in every society around the world, the report finds.

Summary recommendations here: the WHO think this could be largely fixed in a generation.

Cue fake sounds of concern from governments everywhere: what we really need in a globalised world is formally globalised redistribution of wealth. We probably need a globalised justice system.

Cue outrage from assorted nationalists, patriots and other people who separate humans into in-groups that deserve help and protection and out-groups who don't.


From the report, which reads like a manifesto:
This question – is closing the health gap in a generation feasible – has two clear answers. If we continue as we are, there is no chance at all. If there is a genuine desire to change, if there is a vision to create a better and fairer world where people’s life chances and their health will no longer be blighted by the accident of where they happen to be born, the colour of their skin, or the lack of opportunities afforded to their parents, then the answer is: we could go a long way towards it.

Action can be taken, as we show throughout the report. But coherent action must be fashioned across the determinants – across the fields of action set out above – rooting out structural inequity as much as ensuring more immediate well-being. To achieve this will take changes starting at the beginning of life and acting through the whole lifecourse. In calling to close the gap in a generation we do not imagine that the social gradient in health within countries, or the dramatic differences between countries, will be abolished in 30 years. But the evidence, produced in the Final Report, both on the speed with which health can improve and the means needed to achieve change, encourage us that significant closing of the gap is indeed achievable.

This is a long-term agenda, requiring investment starting now, with major changes in social policies, economic arrangements, and political action. At the centre of this action should be the empowerment of people, communities, and countries that currently do not have their fair share. The knowledge and the means to change are at hand and are brought together in this report. What is needed now is the political will to implement these eminently difficult but feasible changes. Not to act will be seen, in decades to come, as failure on a grand scale to accept the responsibility that rests on all our shoulders.

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But fuck it, playing naked ape power games in Eastern Yurp and Raghead Land is far more exciting, fun and macho than this sort of namby-pamby pinko girly communist stuff. Chicks dig Cold War warriors.

Some days I just hate the world.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:10:38 AM EST
Eric Martin has a good post on the subject.

teaser:

There is another aspect of the tendency to equate bellicosity with righteousness that is worth analyzing: many of the deeply concerned idealists that reach the solemn conclusion that war is necessary (with a frequency that belies the supposed painstaking deliberations taken to reach the oft-visited option of last resort) tend to be unmoved when presented with non-violent means to better the lot of a beleagured population.  The impassioned calls to action vanish, the brows un-furrow and the pious cloak is put back in the closet for another day.  Humanitarian crises just seem to draw less consternation when one of the options to help the target population isn't to target the population. This commenter sums it up succinctly:
by MarekNYC on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:17:11 AM EST
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from the stories i hear from english clients on my table recently, about the weather you've been enduring, your comment is unsurprising-

diagnosis SAD

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 04:59:09 PM EST
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Nah, inequality is good for growth and social cohesion and redistribution are bad. It says it right here:
When using indicators of inequality of income distribution and the at-risk-of-poverty rate, the Czech Republic has one of the highest levels of social cohesion in the EU, comparable to that of the Nordic countries. Though social transfers play a significant role in reducing the Czech poverty rate, it is the country's relatively equal distribution of primary income that contributes most to the level of social cohesion overall. This can be explained by several factors, in particular by the quality of education, the homogeneity of society, regulation of rental housing, the gradual nature of the transition process and other historical reasons. Economic theory and empirical evidence are not clear-cut on what the impact of social cohesion is on economic efficiency and growth. Though social cohesion can have a positive economic impact on growth, the tax-transfer system, if badly designed, may have harmful consequences for labour supply and for the sustainability of public finances as seems to be the Czech case.
(guess which institution published the article)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:16:37 AM EST
I am so tempted to give you 2 for that, just for repeating their drivel. I'll give the Commission a 0 as soon as I figure out how.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:21:57 AM EST
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I might deseve a 1 for troll-baiting you...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:25:31 AM EST
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I am quite sure that the government will wring its hands in dismay at these findings. gordon will go on about lifting hard working families and children out of poverty.

and then he'll have another huge giveaway for the City and not for a second suspect there might be a connection.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:25:16 AM EST
But his huge giveaway will trickle down! He did it for the children!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:25:54 AM EST
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In the US, this inequality is a peculiar institution and an integral part of our cherished way of life.  Just like chattel slavery and Manifest Destiny.
by rifek on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:31:48 AM EST
nice comment, rifek.

'nice' in the premodern meaning of 'accurate'

fine or subtle : a nice distinction.
* requiring careful thought or attention


Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:17:54 PM EST
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I think this is what is so culturally appealing about the "Kennedy-LBJ" saga. Of course the foreign policy stuff is all horrifying, but at least rather than declaring "War on Terror" they declared a "War on Poverty."

The language of militarism is not something I want to resurrect but how did we get to this point where we (once again - judging from the Victorian literature) decide that poverty was a matter of inevitability and moral failings? Why is it acceptable that some people are homeless and others live in government homes with leaking roofs and no money for heating?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 10:37:07 AM EST

how did we get to this point where we (once again - judging from the Victorian literature) decide that poverty was a matter of inevitability and moral failings?

Because it makes it possible to claim that having more money is a sign of moral (and any other kind of) superiority.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:01:52 PM EST
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yup, i was listening to the latest bill moyers podcast about the middle class squeeze, and hearing about work conditions in china.

dickensian was the word that kept forming in my mind...

it's called 'lifting them out of poverty' cuz the alternatives obviously suck more.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:14:27 PM EST
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And I've just returned to the office from a seminar on child poverty.

We talked about the iron triangle ie how child poverty, women's poverty and in work poverty are linked and the role of the trade union movement in putting pressure on government to put in the money that needs to go in to reach their target of halving child poverty by 2010.  Nobody disagrees about the social costs of poverty, about limited life chances or about health and educational attainment gaps, how poverty traps generation after generation... yet after 9 years of discussion in the Welsh Assembly there has still not been a coherent child poverty strategy.

UK government need to put in an extra £2.8billion to meet their target, but the money itself isn't enough, just going into child benefit and tax credits. The Surestart scheme is one of the best ways of lifting children out of poverty by encouraging mothers to be engaged with their child's education, as well as providing childcare. But the take up still isn't where it is needed most.

The cycle continues.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:20:57 AM EST
What's special about child poverty? Women's poverty? "In-work" poverty? Is  adult unemployed male poverty ok?  

The problem, surely, is poverty. You can't tackle "child poverty" without tackling family poverty and poverty in general.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:26:59 AM EST
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Clearly unemployed adult males deserve what they get.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:30:19 AM EST
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That would explain it. It's a corollary of the general proposition that adult males deserve what they get, especially if it's all the money and power.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:31:27 AM EST
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Women are proportionately more likely to be in poverty than men. Children in one parent families (again proportionately higher single mothers) are more likely to be in poverty than households with both parents.

No poverty is ok but in terms of understanding some of the root causes for poverty these are three key areas.  The target was around child poverty (admit it, it sounds nicer for the media, we are rescuing the ones who are innocent in all of this, it's palatable), which cannot be tackled unless poverty for the whole family is dealt with - as you say.

In work poverty covers both men and women, but again the effects of poorly paid, crappy part time work and lack of affordable childcare is proportionately more likely to effect women.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:38:04 AM EST
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admit it, it sounds nicer for the media, we are rescuing the ones who are innocent in all of this, it's palatable

And that's what pisses me right off. "Palatable".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:40:06 AM EST
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Mostly because you're conceding the ground that non-child poverty is ok - presumably because those people aren't innocent but are responsible for their own plight.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:45:37 AM EST
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Well, you have to admit that child poverty might be the thin edge of the wedge. If child poverty cannot be solved without tackling adult/male/unemployed poverty, then eventually you might be able to get to just poverty.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:52:35 AM EST
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We're going backwards. It used to be poverty, now it's child poverty, soon its poverty in the under 4's and the over 4's should be working down mill to pay for primary school.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:54:02 AM EST
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Yes, we're on the back foot.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:55:51 AM EST
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Well, it's a reasonable starting point, in that money invested there has the most potential in the long run.

Admittedly, there is also the idea that in no way can they be held partly responsible for their plight (which, in all honesty, can be said for some of the adult poor, which end up being used as strawmen for all the other ones).
Although Icarus of Economist's View apparently takes the view that you are never helping the children but the parents, and (I'm using his own words there) helping them would give incentive to poor people to 'impregnate each other', which is irresponsible and exactly what we must fight and therefore we should precisely never do anything to fight child poverty.

But, of course, he's insane. Interestingly, his job is offshoring consultant. Yikes.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:35:52 AM EST
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What's wrong with eating the weak?

Good protein makes the master race stronger.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:22:23 AM EST
That's what's wrong, the weak don't provide good protein. The master race needs to eat its own.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:24:34 AM EST
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Ah, but that's why you need lots of weak people, so that there's enough of them to feed the master race. cf. Right-wing opposition to birth control and abortion for poor people.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 11:28:02 AM EST
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I did not hear a single Democratic speaker at the convention going on now in Denver talk about inequality until Bill Clinton spoke, not that I am a fan of him. Income and wealth inequality started to increase at the end of Jimmy Carter's presidency, and continued to balloon through the Reagan, Clinton and GW Bush years. Bush actually outdid Reagan in feeding the wealthy and corporate types.

10 years ago 85% of the US stockmarket was owned by the top 10% of families. Today, I have no doubt that, at a 15% tax rate on capital gains and dividends, the ownership level is more like 90% for the exclusive top.

Now we hear that Obama wants to continue the trend Democratic style by raising the tax a meagre 5% to 20%. Keeping the rate low, it is believed, will bring in greater tax revenues, this logic based on the stockmarket bubble of the late 90s, which will never be seen again.

My thoughts are, foooweeeee. Poor folks will get cooked again.


by shergald on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 02:00:50 PM EST
this logic based on the stockmarket bubble of the late 90s, which will never be seen again.

What makes you think that there'll be fewer bubbles in the future?

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:39:38 PM EST
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About 8K was sucked out of my wallet in short order. I think investors have learned that there is no quick buck in the stock market. Slow, but reliable semi-conservative gains work best.

by shergald on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:52:44 PM EST
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Aw, that sucks. Sorry to hear that. But I think you're wrong about the ability and willingness of the stock market to learn from past mistakes. I mean, the housing bubble happened hot on the heels of the dotcom crash which, if anything, should have taught people a thing or two about stock markets (most importantly, don't bet money on the stock market that you can't afford to lose...).

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:37:35 AM EST
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The gini coefficient under Clinton in the US went from 42 to 46.

Under Dubya, it's still around 46.

Clinton (and the Democrats) talk a good game but really, they haven't done anything about this subject since Johnson was President.

But true, he speaks well. Which, if I look in the dictionary, is the definition of a demogogue.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:51:59 PM EST
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Couldn't agree more. That Clinton talked income inequality is somewhat ironic, I admit, even though he was the only convention speaker to bring it up, thus far.

by shergald on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 05:54:20 PM EST
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There is really nothing dearer to me than this subject. To be honest, I read the article more with disgust than hope. Why disgust? Because, for two centuries, we made great strides in wiping out this most immoral of iniquities, in all but the most far flung and backwards part of the developed world read: USA).

But by an historical accident, now we witness the roll-back of all those gains, as out elite emulate the "efficiencies" of the Anglo-American model, wiping out equality and thereby liberty and brotherly and sisterly bonds.

It's two steps backward after three steps forward, and in the UK and in other parts, perhaps two more steps backwards on top of things, such as alternance there, as in the US, is not functional. Differentials in healthcare outcomes by race and class in the us are a thing to behold, I had no idea they could be as extreme in the UK...

But children die for the sins of their parents, the sin of idolatry of ideology; is has been this was forever in America; a grand export, via the UK, to the rest of us?

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 03:47:58 PM EST
of Sarkozy's plan to fund the RSA (a new form of income stream for the poor that's meant to complement income from work and avoid ratchet effects and poverty traps) with a new 1.1% tax on capital income.

He seems to have blindside both left and right, and the right is mighty pissed off.

(Note: the RSA is pushed by one of Sarkozy's "lefty ministers", the guy who was the former head of Emmaus, an organisation that helps the homeless. He's been quite persistent in making this a meaningful reform rather than a unfunded gimmick. If that does happen it would actually be good news, unless I've missed a catch)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 06:07:18 PM EST
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Catch : there'll be even less pressure to rise the minimum income for those who actually don't work. The RMI has been steadily going down since Rocard created it. And even low end jobs aren't exactly all that easy to come by, for some.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Aug 28th, 2008 at 08:45:23 PM EST
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For example there is this :

Le RSA est une grossière erreur de diagnostic - Actu > Chomage : Le premier portail d'information et d'échange sur le chômage et l'emploi


Cette proportion de travailleurs qui n'ont pas intérêt financièrement à travailler est surestimée. On a demandé aux bénéficiaires du RMI ne recherchant pas d'emploi la raison de leur non-recherche. Seulement 3% d'entre eux invoquent des raisons financières : les gains obtenus en travaillant seraient trop faibles. Mais 44% évoquent des raisons de santé. Les problèmes de transport, de formation ou de garde d'enfants sont également beaucoup cités.

Most people on the RMI can't work for health reasons...

Another strange consequence of the RSA is that people on the RSA will only see about 60 % of the marginal euro they'll earn ; in effect, the same rate as the marginal euro for top earners...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:13:41 PM EST
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Catch II: It keeps regular wages low. That may not be a problem... or it may be a very significant one, depending on how the French labour market is structured (and all I know about the French labour market I learned from the foreign correspondence in the Danish press plagiarisations of Anglo-American news, so I don't feel qualified to comment on that).

In Denmark, it would definitely be a problem for both practical, cultural and political reasons.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:43:24 AM EST
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Well, it's only partly true that he's going to fund the RSA with this 1,1% tax on capital; about two-thirds of the funding is from the RMI, another large portion from the API, and only about 15% of it from the tax on capital.

I certainly like the taxing mechanism, a small step in the right direction towards reestablishing a fiscal balance vis a vis taxation of rents versus taxation of labor, a very small step.

But, insofar as it supplants the RMI, what we are now doing is transforming the poor and excluded into toiling poor and excluded, which does nothing for their station, still less for the station of their children (should they have any, given rents in parts of france it's getting harder and harder to afford to start a family) and in fact will, as linca points out, put pressure at the bottom end of the wage escale. In principle, I wouldn't be against such a scheme, if at the same time we were also in a full employment regime, there was adequate public housing for all, and other reasons for desperation at one's station at the lower deciles of the income strata were removed.

But, in terms of the tide of neo-liberal reforms, this certainly isn't the worst we could have expected. And, at end of day, it sort of is a repudiation, in fine, of the paquet fiscale which otherwise was hamstringing room for manoeuvre in advance of what may be a bit of a slowdown over the next 12-18 months.

"C'est un scandale !"

by redstar on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:55:49 PM EST
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