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by In Wales
Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 09:52:16 AM EST

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Helen, I'm going to try out the new microbrewery for you this evening. Apparently they do mango beer.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 09:52:58 AM EST
Hmm, I love mangos, but I'm not sure about in beer. some fruits work well and others ...just...don't. Cherry and raspberry are reliable. Peach is too florid but apricot can work well. Strawberry has it's moments but is really too easy to overdo (and wrecks the pipework cos you can't wash it out).

Herbs and spices are more interesting. Coriander, bog myrtle, hemp are ones I've tried. I know a couple of brewers have experimented with cannabis for personal use but I've never had the opportunity, nor would I have the inclination to be honest. A lot of beers will have spices in and can work well. But generally chilli beers are bad beer with chilli in.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 09:59:28 AM EST
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Chilli wine (from fermented chillis) seems to work ok.

I can see mangos working with beer, but you'd have to get the right mangos and given the propensity in many parts of "The West" to assume all mangos are the same, I'd not be optimistic.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:00:34 AM EST
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Speciality was pomegranate beer today.  It tasted sort of lemony.  It wasn't bad but I didn't think it was marvellous either. I was far more delighted that they had Czech style pilsner and dark lager. Dark lager was all gone but the pilsner was very good.  Not quite as great as in prague but it still had that same effect on the back of the palate and I liked it a lot.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:17:13 PM EST
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Well, it's seems America loved the speech and the rest of the world went uh-huh. Haven't watched it myself so i don't know.

The guardian seemed split on the subject. The british writers went "hmmm, could do better" and the americans went "WAAAAHHHHHH !!!". So I guess it worked on the target audience.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:02:13 AM EST
Standard American blah-blah so it went down well.

I thought it was appalling but, then, I'm not the target market.  O threw some meat to the Progressive Wing early and then headed straight for the Center-Right (Middle Class Tax Cuts?  Good God.)

One good thing: Obama might actually get the US the hell out of Iraq.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:55:54 AM EST
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Just like his keynote speech at the 2004 Convention. Americans were all raving about what a great speech it was but I was unmoved.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:01:53 AM EST
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the first one, last year's, i thought was vapity writ gigantic, this one had a lot more punch.

actually i think he pitched it perfect this time.

i continue to be struck by the difference between his face in repose (fussy, mega-bothered internally), and his smile, which manages to be radiant as his rhetoric, without being brittle and inauthentic, like hillary's.

the fact that he doesn't try to look permanently like a madame tussaud's wax museum piece, by over-controlling his expression, i find oddly reassuring!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:56:21 PM EST
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And we apparently have our GOPerVeep: Sarah Palin of Alaska.  Three years younger than Obama.  Only held office for a year and a half.

Against Joe Biden.

So much for the whole experience thing McCain was pushing.

Those internals must look really bad.  Obama's going to be pushing a very solid double-digit lead (and over that key 50% mark) if the trends continue.

McCain panicked, and decided he needed a big play.  In American football terms, this is a Hail Mary.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:09:29 AM EST
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Of course it has overtones of a gamble about it, but I suspect the media are going to love Palin. The timeline of the Republican convention coming after the Dems also works in their favour. In a week no-one will remember anything about the Dem convention.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:19:19 AM EST
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In a debate he'll have to pull his punches or be accused of "hitting the girl. Oh you bully!"

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:58:25 AM EST
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Dammit, how fast do you type? You posted while I was still trying to write.

Damn, missed by ten minutes....

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor

by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:11:24 PM EST
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Although if more than one person is thinking the same thing, it probably isn't paranoia.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:15:30 PM EST
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He doesn't need to throw punches anymore.  This is even better for the veep debate, because throwing punches comes with some risk, especially given Biden's foot-in-mouth disease.

Palin knows nothing about foreign affairs.  All Biden's got to do is stand there, be a gentleman, and answer the questions.

What I'd like to see now is an effort, especially among women in our party, to portray McCain as condescending towards women with this decision.

His experience argument, as all the pundits (even Joe Scarborough) are helpfully pointing out, is now gone.

If we can show this for what it is (not easy, btw) -- a pathetic, cynical choice that treats female voters like idiots -- this election will be over, and it'll be a question of how badly McCain gets beat.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:20:05 PM EST
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Oh man, I wish I could share your optimism.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:24:11 PM EST
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I didn't say I was optimistic.  These are, after all, the Democrats.  I just said it could be done.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:46:50 PM EST
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I can't get the idea out of my head that they chose a woman also because they think it'll make Biden ease up in the VP debate-- maybe they're hoping to make him look like a bully. Yes, it's a very condescending, out-of-date attitude toward women, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was part of their logic when they chose her.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:10:04 PM EST
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Well, that's the least of it.  All of those pissed off Hillary supporters who feel "those sexist bastard men stole their chance to go down in history."  

So the Republicans ask that old question, "How stupid ARE American women, anyway?"

Ooooooooooooooooo ... I'm going to pay for that one.  Hope poemless doesn't see it.  My laptop will fry. :)

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:14:51 PM EST
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Another possibility: Now they can question the motives of any woman who isn't voting for McCain. "But don't you want to see a woman VP? Don't you think she can handle the job? Does this mean you don't think women are qualified to be VP?" They won't be able to change any votes, but it will be enough to make campaign season that much more annoying.

"You can't be a successful crook with a dishonest face, now, can you?" -The Fourth Doctor
by lychee (lychee9393 A yahoo D com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:20:08 PM EST
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It's really not a stupid choice. It's not an inspired one - probably because if anyone were that inspired, they'd be running for president - but it's not trainwreck stupid.

All Palin has to do to pass on foreign policy is wave some red meat around. Biden will look nuanced and possibly a little condescending, and that's not going to help him.

The abortion issue will bring in some evangelicals, and overall it makes McCain look pro-women, which won't be bad for him.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:46:05 PM EST
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I was hoping he would choose Condi Rice.  Get the women, and split the black vote in one shot.  Plus she has all of this wonderful, on the job, been there/done that, experience as Sec. of State.

"What, you won't vote for A BLACK WOMAN?  What kind of ...  ?!!" fill in the blank as you choose.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:54:46 PM EST
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By 'split the black vote' you presumably mean have an outside chance of getting to the GOP's usual stellar 80 point deficit?
by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:58:39 PM EST
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Quite honestly, I didn't know what I meant other than the lady has a lot of melanin in her epidermis and so does Obama.

"See, see, WE have black folk too!"

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:07:13 PM EST
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I think as well Condi would have been the better choice, but maybe a fresh face can help McCain to portray some non-existent distance between him and Bush.
And after all a gouvernor can claim some executive experience. All the other guys were just senators. Or was Biden ever in the executive?

To remain ahead in foreign policy experience was probably impossible with Biden as VP for the dems. And a competent person on foreign policy would have disagreed all the time with McCain... It es better you have a Watson, when you want to be seen as a Sherlock Holmes....

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:48:57 PM EST
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Condi would have brough the taint of Bush, and made 'More Bush than ever' too easy a target.

According to the Wikipedia hagiography, Palin eats moose, has been in the NRA since she was an embryo, drives snowmobiles, came second in a beauty pageant, played aggressive competitive basketball, ran a (small) business, eloped with her high school sweetheart and drafted in seniors from an old people's home when she discovered the wedding needed witnesses, and generally crushes brazil nuts with her testicles - which is why she's been described as 'Alaska's own Thatcher.'

In a straight fight with Chuck Norris, Norris would not be a sure thing.

She's a huntin', shootin' and fishin' Republican pick, marred only by being a straight arrow with little obvious interest in corrupt get-rich-quick lobbying schemes. (If you're a Republican this is known as 'Not having any experience.')

If she weren't insane I'd probably respect her. She has a record of making ethical stands, and her only ethical issue is allegations of pressure to fire a state trooper who was divorcing her sister, and is by all accounts a real psycho.

She's certainly not another smooth guy in a suit.

Biden should be concerned. She's not going to win it for McCain, but the debates are going to be interesting.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:20:51 PM EST
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I don't know who wrote the Wiki bio, but it's not true that she was in the "NRA since she was an embryo."  In fact, she is the first immaculately conceived in vitro female saint, and her rifle was taken out of the test tube before it had a chance to grow.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:29:15 PM EST
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GGrief!  She may show up at the convention with the rifle on her shoulder, breastfeeding and thumping the bible.  She sounds like some Jurassic, b-series character.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:53:56 PM EST
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I think the Dems have the response about right, and the conservative commentators are sheepishly agreeing.  Begala wins zinger of the day:

Palin, a first-term governor of a state with more reindeer than people, will have to put on a few pounds just to be a lightweight. Her personal story is impressive: former fisherman, mother of five. But that hardly qualifies her to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

For a man who is 72 years old and has had four bouts with cancer to have chosen someone so completely unqualified to become president is shockingly irresponsible. Suddenly, McCain's age and health become central issues in the campaign, as does his judgment.



Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:29:44 PM EST
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Maybe not so much. The 'lack of experience' really means 'She's a fish-catching moose-eating hick and a Washington outsider' - which she is, but she's also not Romney or Pawlenty. And who can honestly say either of those would have been a better choice, even if they're more nominally 'experienced' Beltway-tawnging sleazeballs?

The 'experienced' line is one of the funniest running jokes of the campaign. McCain's only experience has involved being born rich and then marrying richer, crashing a few planes, being a POW (yay!) and hanging around Washington pretending to represent his state.

He's almost, but not quite, even more experienced than Dubya was.

Clinton's experience mostly involved being married to Bill. She spent some time in the White House and put together a health care plan which bombed, but apart from that, she's been a senator for a while. Does being a senator make you experienced?

Apparently not, because Obama is a senator, but he's not experienced enough either.

Biden is almost experienced enough after 35 years, but he wasn't experienced enough to put together a winning campaign. Therefore - not so experienced after all.  

What does it take to make everyone agree that you're experienced?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:41:52 PM EST
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What does it take to make everyone agree that you're experienced?

An in with the Associated Press, apparently.

I think you're missing the real hits here.  Ragging on Palin for her lack of experience isn't the issue.  It's highly unlikely that Palin decides this election, because veeps can really only move things a little bit in one direction or another.

But what's being talked about among the Very Serious People is McCain's horrible judgment here -- judgment, of course, being the core Obama pitch for himself and against McCain on issues like Iraq.

It also raises the issue of McCain's age, which ties back in on the judgment hit.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:56:16 PM EST
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McCain had very little choice.

Romney - too many houses.
Huckabee - mutual hatred.
Jeb Bush - more Bush.
Condi - yet more Bush.
Pawlenty - an unusually 'interesting' business history.

So picking an unknown isn't totally insane, even if political heads are exploding everywhere. Palin will bring in the evangelicals - what's left of them - and probably also swing a state or two.

The choice has also made everyone forget yesterday's triumph of Obama awesomeness.

What's keeping me entertained is how the wingers are being outraged and stunned when the self-styled maverick does something genuinely mavericky.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 04:22:34 PM EST
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Good points.  I think he probably gains with the wingnutosphere but loses with economic conservatives.  Probably a little euphoric gain with women, but it probably fades, and it could actually turn into a backlash, since this is such blatant tokenism.

We'll see.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 04:44:04 PM EST
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I'm curious to know why Palin invoked executive privilege, though.

Also, there's another, different (at least I think it's different) firing story involving one of her longtime friends, then an employee in the governor's office, who was dating the -- let me see if I can type it right -- ex-wife of Todd Palin's friend.

I'll be curious to see if there's any merit to it, although I'm skeptical due to the source.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:56:12 PM EST
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Oh, effing thank you!

Just got up from a nap.  Can't swear properly till I get 2 cups of coffee down.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:24:00 PM EST
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For the record, I agree.  If she weren't nuts, I might admire her.  Having read up a bit more on the corruption issue, I'm not sure it's a big thing.  A lot of he-said/she-said.  She seems fairly clean, especially considering her fellow Republicans.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:36:18 PM EST
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I don't think so. First of all, she has absolutely no experience campaigning, and nobody knows if she would be any good at it. Secondly, as a known quantity, the Democrats may well have figured out the right strategy to attack her. I suspect that he's hoping it will take them too long to figure out how to deal with Palin.

Secondly, he has to make sure he gets most of the racist vote. With two black candidates (or even a black and a Jew - i.e. Lieberman), there would be a risk of some (who knows how many?) voting for Bob Barr, or simply not bothering to vote.

Finally, with Rice there is no way he can attack Obama as an elitist without looking completely ridiculous...

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:40:07 PM EST
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Drew, the trends won't continue. The race will be back to a 3-4% average lead for Obama come three weeks. The decision will fall in the debates.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:29:35 PM EST
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And just imagine what the Republicans would be saying if the Democrats had picked a woman with a 4-month old baby with Down's syndrome...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:08:15 PM EST
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An Anti-Choice choice doesn't exactly hit the mainstream of the US.  I don't care if the nominee is a woman.

McCain's (Rove's?) strategy seems to be clear: run to the Right, grab the Bush vote, pick-up enough Independents and Latinos, and hope 70% of the US doesn't notice.  The only way this makes sense is if they are so worried about the Enthusiasm (lack of) in the base that they are going full bore Conservative/Christian Right.  

In a way, it's a repeat of Rove's '04/'06 strategy.  Intimating Rove ("I've got the arithmetic") is so enamored of his previous successes he can't view the situation dispassionately, objectively.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:40:02 PM EST
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Support for the above analysis!

Palin is a Creationist.

The McCain campaign is actually going to re-run the '04 strategy.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:16:16 PM EST
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Whenever I hear them mention Palin I keep getting odd mental disjunctions visualising the stories Involving this one

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:11:36 PM EST
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According to Jack Cafferty, CNN has received about 20,000 emails on the announcement.  Almost all of them say that McCain has lost his mind.  Cafferty is saying the election's over.

The Reps can't even keep a straight face here.  If I weren't so incredibly afraid of losing this election to these nutjobs, I'd be laughing my ass off.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:42:36 PM EST
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Know what you mean.

The McCain campaign is becoming 'The Horrible Example' of a political campaign for the new century.  The post-mortems, CYA, and Insider-Tell-All, which should start 'round about the end of September, by people bailing out of this disaster are going to be fun reading.  

The idiots didn't get their Talking Points out before they announced.  GOPer after GOPer was going, "I don't know anything about her" and "I never met her."

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:24:21 PM EST
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I'm 100% convinced this was a panic choice.  Look where McCain's putting his new ads: The West, the Deep South (Virginia and North Carolina) and...Minnesota.  All defense except Minnesota.

Pawlenty was the veep.

Why did they panic?  Well, I've been digging around for some focus group data.  We know the Obama campaign did them, although we obviously can't get that data, but judging by Ras's polling on Michelle (whose net favorables went sky-high -- from about net-zero to +20 -- after her speech), I think it's a safe bet this convention went off well.  One of them out in Nevada had about one-third of undecideds going over to Obama because of his speech.

McCain's people were focus-grouping that speech.  And they were afraid the election was snapping.  The Dems were closing ranks, Obama got off one of his better speeches, and the needle was moving big-time.

Keep in mind, too, that about 50m people watched the speech (more than the Olympics, American Idol, and every other big-night event but the Super Bowl).  That's unheard of for an acceptance speech.

My hunch is that McCain did successfully slow the momentum Obama would've gotten by creating this huge distraction.  He may have saved his chances in the election.  But my guess is also that, after a few days, Palin will have simply been a brief distraction.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 10:46:36 AM EST
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And here's the evidence http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/how-palin-came.html] of the panic.  McCain literally decided on Palin Thursday night.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 10:59:26 AM EST
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Keep in mind, too, that Mittens and Pawlenty are apparently p-i-s-s-e-d pissed about this.

Could we have war in St Paul?  Oh, please, oh, please, oh, please?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:43:50 PM EST
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Given the American electorate, framing most of the things in terms that would be appealing to most ET members would be political suicide.  I did note that accomplishing most of his goals would be very difficult given the current campaign finance system.  Solutions to Health Care, regulation of finance and investing, sustainable energy, the deficit and so on could all get quite simple and could work together were the primary requirement not to be avoiding upsetting the  existing vested interests.

If he wants to bring change to Washington the first bill they should pass would be campaign reform.  I have a dream!  Were enough Senators and Representatives to agree to move on this, they could milk enough contributions from exesting lobbyists while the bill is under discussion to carry them through the next election.

All they would have to do is live up to Jessie Unhru's  qualification standard: "If you can't take their money, go to their parties, eat their food, drink their liquor, f#$k their women and get up the next morning and vote against them, you don't belong here." (loosely quoted.)

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:57:20 AM EST
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Why bother with campaign reform. Any meaningful one will just be thrown out by the Court. There are no short term solutions to the money problem. Like on so many other issues, for campaign finance Roberts and Alito will be the gift that keeps on giving for a long, long time.
by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:13:49 PM EST
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Focus reform not on prohibiting donations from lobbyists but on providing enough federal support to all candidates to let them run a good campaign.  It would be the best expenditure of taxpayer money possible.  The one who spends the most money doesn't always win.  Without campaign reform, any other reforms will be mangled and short lived.  

Campaign finance is the chokehold in current politics.  If we don't try to reform it, we shouldn't flatter ourselves that anything substantial will happen.  Obama, with his direct fund raising system, is uniquely positioned to accomplish this.  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:21:44 PM EST
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Good point.

New York has a law that provides for 4-1 public financing with strict total limits that are lifted if the opponent chooses not to abide by them. With that kind of matching you have to be willing to put in a hell of a lot of your own cash to seriously outspend a credible oppponent. Not sure if it's NYC or state. On the other hand I'm just cynical enough not to want to lay odds against the SC invalidating that kind of thing on a national level - they could find something, they've got the creativity.

by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:50:29 PM EST
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You could then have a showdown as during Roosevelt's administration, where the SC was threatened with being expanded to 13.  Or you could have an impeachment of John Roberts.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 06:26:33 PM EST
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For an impeachment you'd need 67 votes. Given political realities, you'd need a good several more Dems than that, let's say 75 - in my dreams, maybe, in reality, unfortunately not. And I'm not sure I want to start putting court packing into the system. That's a double edged sword. In both cases to even consider making it work you need both the kind of overwhelming majority that FDR had at the time, and a consistent pattern of the Court striking down laws with strong public support.
by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 08:08:34 PM EST
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If the Dems passed campaign finance reform along the lines of the NY system you described, if Obama pushed and sold it to the public, if then Congress passed and Obama signed bills that solved problems heretofore blocked by vested interest lobbyists and, after all of that, the SC struck down the laws or prevented them from being applied, you might have the kind of storm that would demand John Robert's impeachment.  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:23:38 PM EST
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Well, here's the speech, 42 minutes:

I thought it was quite effective in attacking Republicans, attacking McCain as out of touch and focusing on economic issues, noting that Democrats simply have a better record. There was even some red meat in there. Audience booing when he talked about McCain and the Bush administration. I think he hit exactly the right note.

The few lines on foreign policy were rather less good, and of course there were these repeated lines about America being an exceptional country, beacon for the world, and so on. Americans love that stuff, we don't.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:20:58 PM EST
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What was exceptionally brilliant was Obama's wooing of the Asian vote, by basing his energy "policy" on Chinese takeout restaurants...

Two from column A and three from column B.

</snark>

Of course, no problem voting for him.  Will be interesting watching him navigate his first year against a stacked deck.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:40:40 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Americas | McCain picks woman running mate

US Republican presidential hopeful John McCain has picked Sarah Palin, the female governor of Alaska, as his surprise running mate, US media say.

At 44, she is younger than Barack Obama and is credited with reforms during her first term, but she is relatively unknown in US politics.

Mr McCain is due to present her on stage at a rally in Dayton, Ohio, to celebrate his 72nd birthday.

Analysts say the Republican is keen to wrest back headlines from Mr Obama.

Ms Palin is perhaps the most daring vice-presidential choice for Mr McCain, the BBC's Kim Ghattas reports from Dayton.

The two most likely choices were, until recently, former Governor of Massachusetts Mitt Romney and Governor of Minnesota Tim Pawlenty.

A staunch opponent of abortion, Ms Palin is married with five children.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 11:07:44 AM EST
Has anyone commented on the fact that this woman would be one faulty heartbeat away from being President, that heartbeat existing in a dithering ancient fool?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:02:16 PM EST
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Geraldine Ferraro, meet Harriet Miers Sarah Palin.

Hear she's big on the rights of the unborn front. Might get in a few of the evangelicals. Stupid choice, otherwise.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:06:56 PM EST
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At the 1984 (symbolic) demo convention, i was lucky to be honorary event producer and got kissed by Ferraro just after the acceptance by her as VP and the other guy who was the presidential nominee, the first time they were on stage together. It remains as one of the points (insert some adjective somewhere) of my life.  Her racist comments this primary season brought back my memory of how irrelevant the system has become.

I suspect the choice of Palin adds to the possibility of martial law before the election, since there's no way she would be allowed to be anything other than a marionette, if that, should anything happen to the aged POW.  But i do think it's kind of brilliant picking a non-entity for the second highest post in the land, not counting coca-cola CEO.  Could mean they know there's not a chance in hell, unless something perverse were to happen.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:53:40 PM EST
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Fox News analyst, too.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:16:51 PM EST
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You're shittin' me!  I don't watch FOX at all.  Has she whored herself THAT bad?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:20:04 PM EST
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The Corner on National Review Online

Ferraro Feeds Identity Politics   [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

From Fox:

GERALDINE FERRARO: It's going to be a very interesting campaign. I must say that several months ago I said that it would be great if there was a woman on the ticket, that I felt that John McCain would have to pick someone, especially if Hillary was the nominee, but without Hillary being the nominee it's really quite equally as important, because people are looking for a historic campaign, and I think this might do it. There are a lot of women who are disaffected by how Hillary was treated by the media, by how she was treated by the Obama campaign, by how she was treated by the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean not speaking up when sexism raised its ugly head in the media. (Inaudible)

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:23:27 PM EST
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Shit, I should work for FOX!  I typed that same shit here within the last couple hours.  I don't know about the whoring part, though.  Three inch pumps can be murder, or so I'm told.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:39:33 PM EST
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It must be nice to go through life without the necessity of cognizing reality.

people are looking for a historic campaign, and I think this might do it.

Because, after all, having a black and a women vying for the Democratic presidential nomination has been done so many times before.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:04:55 PM EST
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How about, instead of looking for a historic campaign, we look for someone who's going to AT LEAST TRY to lead us out of our various messes?

In other words, WHEN THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO GROW UP ?!!!

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:18:33 PM EST
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eewwwwww yuck

Crazy Horse got Ferraro cooties!
Crazy Horse got Ferraro cooties!

(I try to keep my ET contributions on a high intellectual level.  :-)

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:49:54 PM EST
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She was pre-radioactive in those days, or at least undiagnosed.  Besides, my judgement at the time was scientifically discombobulated, as i had been kissed far more often by Margeaux Hemingway, who apparently was a Dem.

Luckily, as i try to eat organically, except at party conventions, the cooties did not take hold, did not take hold, didnottakehold...

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:20:25 PM EST
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This is gold: http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=836058451&play=1

From my email box:

  • she's a Buchananist (supported him in earlier campaigns);
  • she's a global warming denier and ugly on environment (and supportive of big oil);
  • she's a traditional conservative

In other words: this will play well with the base. And maybe they're hoping to play on the sexims of some of the pundits. But there are also quite a few angles to criticize her (strange shenanigans with her brother in law, support for the bridge to nowhere, lack of experience and more I'm forgetting).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:02:39 PM EST
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I visited the North Slope for BBC Horizon in 1970, along with visiting Fairbanks, White Horse (Canada) and the Naval Arctic Research Lab at Prudhoe Bay. We talked to a lot of naturalists who were more than concerned about the environmental impacts of oil exploration and exploitation - nearly 40 years ago.

But what really disgusted me was the wholesale destruction of aboriginal life. Removed from their dignified struggle to steward their environment, alcoholism had taken its place, and dignity had vanished. The symbol of intrusive idiocy was the Hickel Highway - a road driven across the permafrost tundra that in a few years, naturally, became a canal.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:52:40 PM EST
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Jerome a Paris:
support for the bridge to nowhere,

hehe. fox is already in gear claiming she is some kinda ethics-in-gvt whistleblower, against the bridge to nowhere!

best part: she was out with snowmobile international champ hubby hunting caribou at 4-30 am, when she got the phone call from her son, telling her she was on the ticket.

parody collapses in defeat before surreality

...again!

pro-life, pro-guns.. i love how they put those together all the time. sorta like the eco-insecticide i buy here, called ' bio-kill'!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 07:56:31 PM EST
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The only reason the Rs are 'pro-life' is so that they'll have things to shoot at later.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 10:30:15 PM EST
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I might not be up to date with American political realities, but what is wrong with hunting Caribou?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 08:51:27 AM EST
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Question:

The set-up.  In Wales starts this open thread asking what the bretheren and sisteren are doing this weekend. After three (count 'em, 3) comments, the thread turns to US politics.  This is EEEEEE T, right?

So my question:

How does it feel, as a European, having your discourse (and lives?) affected so strongly by a bunch of assholes across the pond?  Is this the essence of an Empire?  

Man, I don't know how I'd react in a similar situation.  I tend to want to "solve problems", if you catch my drift.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:21:58 PM EST
Well, Empire is a reality and an pretty insoluble one at that, so for now we have to play the long game.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:36:24 PM EST
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You folks are kinda stuck.  You have Russia to the east (rumor has it you have to sleep with one eye open with those folks around) and your best friend is .... US?

Oh, MaMa.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:41:17 PM EST
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by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 12:59:44 PM EST
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Had that one comin'.  Got to watch what you type around here.  Everything is open game.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:15:01 PM EST
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Just happy to plug this in.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:19:06 PM EST
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Okay, so Sarah Palin, being an inexperienced psycho, clearly isn't qualified for the presidency, and is clearly so painfully unserious that I shouldn't be at all concerned (and I'm not really, but there's a small bit of me that worries about this identity-politics stuff and fears that I've given too much credit to the public this year.

But this, via Andrew Sullivan, really left me speechless on the names of her kids (Willow and Piper):

"Willow" was Buffy the Vampire Slayer's best friend and "Piper" was the eldest sister on the series Charmed played by Shannen Doherty.  The governor obviously has a penchant for television shows of paranormal female empowerment.  (I know, it's too gay that I know this).  "Trig?" Don't have clue.

If we don't win this election now, I'm moving to Beijing and joining the CPC.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:31:17 PM EST
You ARE joking about the source of those names, right?

Willow and Piper?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:41:51 PM EST
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Well, I don't know how she chose the names, but one of Sully's readers noticed the coincidence.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:43:53 PM EST
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Who the fuck am I to comment.  My two imaginary sons, Kirk and Spock, are busy brewing a batch of Rommulan ale for Helen and In Wales for this weekend (getting back to the original subject matter) and my imaginary daughter Wonder Woman is expecting her good friend Marg Helgenberger over to play with Barbies.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:54:03 PM EST
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Owww, I laughed so much I got a stitch.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:37:49 AM EST
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Hey! I liked Buffy (Charmed on the other hand sucked)
by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:52:00 PM EST
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Oh I don't know. Charmed was trashy but I liked it.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:59:15 PM EST
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If she's really that much into witchery, that would definitely improve my opinion. Don't know about the evangelicals, though.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:52:57 PM EST
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Oh, that's Willow?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:39:17 PM EST
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Yes. The fictional one.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 09:29:53 PM EST
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Is this about a tv series or what?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:56:25 PM EST
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I don't understand the question.  Anyone else?

Bueller.  Bueller.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 01:59:57 PM EST
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Well, I don't understand your answer either.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:04:01 PM EST
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Apparently the entire world is not familiar with all of the TV shows that I am (gasp!) so I didn't realize that you didn't immediately recognize the references to the 2 TV shows in question.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:21:53 PM EST
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Well, not all US tv series are shown in Europe - we actually also have some of our own. :-)

Besides I do not have a tv.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:27:44 PM EST
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we actually also have some of our own.

True, though sometimes watching European stations you couldn't tell

by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:31:34 PM EST
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What kind of European stations can you watch?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:37:37 PM EST
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Depends where I am in Europe, and what cable/satellite system is around. Here I can't watch any stations, except occasionally online - no cable, no reception.
by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:53:25 PM EST
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When traveling I find that the Germans or Italiens have sometimes nice series or movies of their own. I don't know about France, but when I still had a tv there used to be nice series from France too.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:55:33 PM EST
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I do not have a tv.

That's the real reason, stop hiding behind your Europeanness.

Plus, Buffy has been in the news recently here on ET, and I'd be shocked if it hadn't been discussed before in open threads.


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:37:43 PM EST
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Yes.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!
by ATinNM on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:00:18 PM EST
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Yes, West WIng.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:36:07 PM EST
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Willow was also the name of a movie about a dwarf apprentice wizard, starring Val Kilmer.

And the name of a tree, too.


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:35:39 PM EST
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Well, I know about the tree. :-) but not the movie.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:38:55 PM EST
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It's a great movie.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:46:05 PM EST
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I used to get Willow confused with Star Wars. Feck knows how.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 05:58:41 PM EST
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Perhaps because both were made by George Lucas?

I love little filmic myths, and was a Willow fan despite its flaws.  Pleasantly surprised that George put a nice wooden windmill in the Willow village, constantly turning, back in the days when the Altamont Pass was becoming a reality.  Got to thank him for that at the premiere.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 04:32:26 AM EST
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So far as I can check, BtVS started a year or two after Willow was born. So it's unlikely that's why she picked the name. (Unless she's psychic.)

Piper is a possible, but when her other kids are called Trig, Track and Bristol, it's just as likely she named her after an oil rig or a holiday cottage.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:48:51 PM EST
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Since May, I have been building another house on my property for my daughter and family.  I'm the general contractor and have hired subs.  I'm so damm sick of dealing with people issues, especially those that involve addiction and substance abuse, the curse of the trades.  Three of my (6) subs have either crystal meth (2) or drink (1)PROBLEMS .  Now, this makes for missed deadlines, spoiled materials, late or absent workers, SHITTY, SHODDY WORK, etc, etc.  You get the picture.  This is the second house I've built in 3 years and in the interval the class of workers has gone down although because of a contentious neighbor I've hired all  licensed contractors, all on the books etc.  These guys are twice as bad as the outlaws.

So this fukin weekend I'll be cleaning up after the dry wall guys and just holding my ass until these guys are outa my hair.

Oh, Sunday I am going to take the dog out for a beach walk.
aloha from Kauai....

alohapolitics.com

by Keone Michaels on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:03:21 PM EST
Alright!  Something other than bullshit American politics.  Not really Happy-Happy-Joy-Joy stuff but at least it's something different.

So how's life in Hawaii, other than the drug/booze situation?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:09:52 PM EST
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aloha keone!

so sorry you had to go through that.

my friends still living there in hawaii tell me about the meth epedemic, it sounds absolutely heartbreaking- :(

i hope you have a chance to go down to hanalei or secrets beach and chill, after the cleanup.

so nice to see you pop in.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 03:17:57 PM EST
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Ha, I'll help, unless you're in the US (the DHS scare the crap out of me).

My only substance abuse problem is alcohol and the abuse only occurs if you offer me american budweiser.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:42:21 AM EST
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After working 14 days in the last fortnight, I am going away to a house on the Hanko beach for the weekend. Sauna, sprango and sausages, with my TV scriptwriting partner, his wife, an acupuncturing masseur and maybe others that the host has not yet announced. We'll probably argue about life for 12 hours on the trot.

One large rush project has taken all of my time recently - sorry to have been away from ET. It also looks 100% that I won't make Paris. Too much so-called 'mission critical' stuff going on right now. In addition to the B2B presentations that I mostly work on, we (co-scripter and I) have two new TV series going in to commissioning editors shortly. One of which started here at ET. Commissioning editors have autonomous power to unleash budgets - so we are actually in the final stage of sales process number one.

Sales process number two is to sell the project to the people who are going to be involved in it, and stage 3 is the audience. The project needs to be presented in a different manner to each audience.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:17:47 PM EST
Sorry you won't be able to make it to the Paris meetup. Maybe next time.

What is the tv series, that started here on ET about. I seem to have missed something. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Aug 29th, 2008 at 02:21:55 PM EST
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Fran, there was a long discussion about how to affect the minds of ordinary citizens, as opposed to decision-makers. Jerome has posted a chart that made clear there were some rather simple things that the OC could do that would have an immediate impact on energy use. The discussion was about reducing demand. (The elephant in the room).

An example was that: if every family in Finland bought a Plasma TV it would require the electri