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Whatever next, he must be mad talking about shoes...

(But all G--'s chillun got shoes!)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 10:49:21 AM EST
I'm not wearing any shoes. Am I still eligible to comment?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 11:11:29 AM EST
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But you've got shoes.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 11:22:52 AM EST
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and blackberrying boots.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 12:48:56 PM EST
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Any jam left?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:22:47 PM EST
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Yes, plenty. It will last me a while. Very tasty. I have discovered that it goes very well with crackers and cheese.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 04:47:42 PM EST
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If the picture above doesn't work, check:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2bSu8n8ZbFI/SLaMEwlmXOI/AAAAAAAAALk/GEVL0HPinFs/s1600-h/anti-nuclear_coal_ ad_md.jpg

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 12:00:41 PM EST
I don't know much about underground mining in Australia, but I have sincere doubts that the miners would be 100% whiteys as the ad seems to represent.

I care about mining industry miners and their communities, stop coal mining yesterday. I revert to Crazy Horse concerning my opinion on Clean Coal.

Truly sad that when people actually pitch coal vs nuclear, coal still has a chance to win.

by Nomad on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 12:59:55 PM EST
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Well mining in AU still tends to be a union job, so that could explain the low % of non-whites.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 01:11:14 PM EST
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There's a mix of "Old Ozzies" and "New Ozzies" in that ad, but because of mateship and the massive shortage of apprenticeships versus applicants, most of the miners will be sons or nephews of miners, so the mix will mostly be Anglo-Celtic on the one hand and "Ethnic" Continental European on the other.

Asian Australians are not heavily represented in mining, given the timing of the big influx of Asian immigration, and of course Aboriginal Australians are almost entirely locked out of high-paying working class jobs like coal mining.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:50:56 PM EST
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The bi-annual report on the state of working America is dribbling out on the EPI web site.

Of interest to those here, should be chapter 8, international comparisons.

The relevant site is here:
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/index.html

Chapter 8:
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/swa08-ch08-international.pdf

The takeaway is how much the US is an outlier from other developed nations. This includes the wealth disparity as well as the poor level of social services and the weak labor movement.

Data in other chapters shows such things as how life expectancy is correlated to economic status. You get what you pay for in the US, including a longer life.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 12:22:50 PM EST
The Executive Summary reads like an editorial endorsement for Obama-Biden.  EPI is a 501c.  Glad to see one on the progressive side.

The promises and the pitfalls of the new economy

For the first time since the Census Bureau began tracking such data back in the mid-
1940s, the real incomes of middle-class families are lower at the end of this business cycle
than they were when it started. This fact stands as the single most compelling piece of
evidence that prosperity is eluding working families.
Where has all that productivity growth been going? As this book extensively documents,
it has gone to the top of the income scale, and the higher up you started out, the
better you did. From 1947 to 1979, the top sliver of wage earners made about 20 times that
of the bottom 90%. By 2006, that ratio had catapulted to 77 times more.
Now, there are some smart, hard-working, and creative people up there in that rarified
end of the economic stratosphere, and some deserve large returns for their labors. But they
cannot possibly be the only ones whose living standards should be boosted in a growing
economy. Productivity growth is a result of the efforts of the whole workforce, not just the
fortunate few. Yes, it reflects the work of the CEOs and CFOs at the top of the corporate
ladder. But it also reflects the work of the waitperson who serves those executives their
lunch, the construction worker who builds their homes, the manufacturer who forges the
steel that girds their corporate headquarters, the home health aid who cares for their aging
parents, the cop who protects their beat, and the teacher who educates their kids.



If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:20:03 PM EST
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by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:45:12 PM EST
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Leonhardt provides an excellent exposition, Jerome.  With respect to ideology Obama appears to be a radical pragmatist.  Replace any part of the ideology that is disfunctional, but replace it with something that works.   Obama's approach, at least as implied in the article, reminds me of John Stuart Mill's observation that, while the market had been shown to be the most effective means of creating wealth, that fact said nothing about how best to distribute that wealth.  

Perhaps some more familiar with the econometric statistics can say whether the current deficit, which the author describes as 2.5% of current GDP, includes the yearly cost of the war in Iraq and the interest on that money.  The other factor that was not discussed is the inheritance tax, the effective repeal of which is due to expire soon.  Should that tax be rejiggered for the very top ends along the lines of the income tax it could, over time, go a long way towards putting the budget into balance and reversing the current trend towards ever increasing concentrations of wealth at the top.  Could trust babies get by on the proceeds of a mere $2,000,000.00 trust fund?  I would think so.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:05:57 PM EST
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So Obama is Center-Right (in EU terms.)  

This is surprising, how?

To forestall ARGeezer ... ;-)

Yeah, if O came out with positions I would enthusiastically support he wouldn't be the nominee.

 

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:43:00 PM EST
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... be the nominee, but the defeat would be of McGovernesque proportions after the corporate media was done with him.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:52:47 PM EST
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Hey!

As a former fanatically devoted volunteer and worker for McGovern who worked his ass off during the campaign that ....

is ...

uh ...

accurate

:-(

:-D

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:04:18 PM EST
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McGovern was the first candidate I was really aware enough of to be able to support ... as an onlooker, mind you, not as a voter ... and even then probably after my parents let us stay up late enough to watch his acceptance speech ...

... and since then I guess I only ever supported the nominee as my first choice in an open primary once, in 2000. From Udall to Gore to Babbit to Edwards ... the ambition reached for in the primary has almost always exceeded the grasp ...

... and the only time my primary pick was the nominee, he won the election but was not sworn in as President, so now I'd probably be nervous if my first choice was, in fact, the nominee.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:49:05 PM EST
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... positions I could enthusiastically support.

There are bits and pieces of Obama's policies that I can enthusiastically support. Establishment of an HVDC grid to connect sustainable wind and solar resource areas to the big population centers of the east and west, I'm real enthusiastic about that one. The substantial increase in funding for rail, that one also has my enthusiastic support.

And some of his policies that I only lukewarm support in absolute terms, when placed in relative terms there is no comparison. His Versal Health Care plan (that is, 2/3 of Universal), when compared with McCain's plan for the Healthy and Wealthy and a tax increase on health care spending on everyone else, its clearly by far the better alternative.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:04:17 PM EST
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That's basically what the EPI is: a half-assed effort by liberals to match the GOP think tanks.  It was cofounded by Robert Reich.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:15:20 PM EST
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Part of our local lore has it that the cultivators of avocados can accurately foretell when we will have an active hurricane season.  When there is a bumper crop of avocados, better batten down the hatches. Well...

Let's just say that I have been eating avocados all week long for breakfast, lunch and dinner!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:22:40 PM EST
Stay safe maracatu.  This is shaping up to be one bad ass hurricane season.

Gustav apparently ripped the Isle of Youth to shreds.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:07:33 PM EST
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We're fine but Please Please Please! give me some links to news from Cuba.  I have been unable to get any up to date communication at all from them about the situation.  Is Havana going to get a hit?????

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:19:26 PM EST
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You'll see a link further down in this thread (if you haven't already found it.)

Last word was the outer edges - whatever that means - of Havana was going to get with Cat 1 winds.  From what I could gather it's the western edge which means all of Havana is going to be hit with Tropical Force Winds from the right - most strong? - side of Gustav.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:30:10 PM EST
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Here's the best I can offer, sorry it's so limited.

Al Jazeera

Juan Jacomino, a Cuban journalist, told Al Jazeera: "This major danger is going to hit us with all it's worth - it's not a possibility it's is a fact.

"[Gustav] is the same strength a hurricane as Katrina ... there will be economic losses for sure.

"The western part of Cuba is going to be most affected but also Havana, which has two million people ... may suffer a lot."

Thousands of people have moved into shelters supplied with food  in Cuba and medical teams placed on alert.

The storm's centre was 360km from Cuba's western tip and moving north-northwest at 19km-an-hour, forecasters said on Saturday.

In the western province of Pinar del Rio, workers were moving recently harvested crops of tobacco to safe places.

Earth Times

Havana - The Cuban government evacuated areas of the country's west as hurricane Gustav approached, prompting authorities in the island country elevate to the highest state of readiness. According to Cuban state television, cities and communities from Pinar del Rio in the furthermost west of the country to the capital Havana were taking all preparations necessary to protect the population against the hurricane, which had reached winds of up to 140 kilometres per hour.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:44:22 PM EST
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All I can say is heaven help us (I mean NOLA)!

Gustav howled into Cuba's Isla de Juventud as a monstrous Category 4 hurricane on Saturday while both Cubans and Americans scrambled to flee the path of the fast-growing storm.

Forecasters said Gustav was just short of becoming a top-scale Category 5 hurricane as it powered its way toward mainland Cuba, where authorities were hurriedly evacuating more than 240,000 people from the nation's tobacco-rich western tip.

The hurricane was projected to plow into the oil-rich Gulf of Mexico at full force Sunday, and reach the U.S. coast as early as Monday afternoon. A hurricane watch was issued from Texas east to Florida, an area that includes New Orleans, which Hurricane Katrina devastated in 2005.



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 08:01:49 PM EST
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ManfromMiddletown has posted a link to Gandma over in the "European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch."

A click on his name will take you to his comment with the link.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 08:09:01 PM EST
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Stay safe.  Fortunately, I think y'all are going to dodge Hanna, aren't you?

Gustav really scares the hell out of me.  Lower Louisiana isn't at all prepared, and there may not be much of New Orleans left to salvage if it goes in nearby.  I was really shocked when I was there at how little recovery had taken place and how fragile things still seemed.

Bobby Jindal doesn't inspire much confidence in me either.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 08:15:54 PM EST
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My little bit of faith rewarded again?

Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll

"Is Gov Palin qualified to be veep?"

Men: Yes 35-41 No
Women: Yes 25-48 No

I suspect that after the customary day of fluff coverage, those numbers may actually get worse once we get beyond the GOP convention, especially if Biden can do the Older Gentleman schtick at the veep debate while Palin makes a fool of herself (or, better yet, reveals herself as an unqualified wingnut).

Oh, my better half gets to meet Mark Warner tonight.  Our (soon-to-be) new senator here in Virginia!  Hoping she can get a picture.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:24:02 PM EST
Foe me this is the "you couldn't ask for a better set of candidates" election.  A year ago, for the Dems., I was one of those "Anybody but Hillarity" people.  Didn't care if it was Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Obama, etc.  Didn't think the black guy had a chance in America.  Glad we dodged the Edwards' bullet.  

Whan Obama iced it, I was once again ""Anybody but Hillarity" for VEEP, just keep it reasonable.  And I got the best I could ask for, Biden.  Now McBain chooses the equivalent of a stripper for his VEEP.

This is the one to win people.  Do something with this opportunity.  Get back the Constitution.  Ferret out the corruption.  Public trials/executions.  Rein in the oil/coal/etc. multinationals.  

This might be your last chance, citizens.  DON'T FUCK IT UP !

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:40:44 PM EST
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The GOP convention now becomes a major deal.  

One observation: McCain in his effort to derail the media spotlight on Obama has shifted attention to Palin.  Bet a dollar the spotlight, speculation, and commentary, is going to focus on how Palin did/is doing rather than McCain and the GOP message.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:48:53 PM EST
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I don't think McCain did a lot to derail the Democrats, having a look at the tracking polls.  Gallup, under my math (which, for the record, has some controversial assumptions), should tick down for Obama tomorrow, and then tick back up Monday to about an 8-point lead -- the reason being that I think they had a poor sample Thursday night (unless the public suddenly decided it didn't like Bill Clinton and Joe Biden, which isn't likely).  So we have to wait for Monday for that to be purged from the average.

I do think the Palin picked served to, temporarily at least, slow Obama-Biden down a bit, but I reckon it was still 48/40 or 50/42 in last night's polling (which would be the first polling that covered Obama's speech).

Shifting the spotlight to Palin has very little upside to McCain now, if these polls from Ras are to be believed, because the more people know, the more I think they're going to be asking themselves, "WTF?"  (Certainly the figures on Intrade support that idea.  His stock has dropped about 5% of its value today, putting his chances of winning below 40% again, and Obama's above 60%.)

All the pick did was create noise after Obama's speech.  That was the main goal McCain needed to accomplish, because a day of fawning over it on the networks and cable channels could been devastating to the Reps.  Again, if they didn't do something big, I think there was a good chance the election would've been decided Thursday night.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 03:53:43 PM EST
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Meanwhile on dKos it's soap opera time.

I have a feeling the Palin pick is going to keep getting weirder and weirder from now on.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 04:48:43 PM EST
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the Palin pick is going to keep getting weirder and weirder from now on

THAT you can take to a bank or financial institution of your choice.

Palin wasn't vetted.  There's a reason for the vetting process which McCain is about to be a Real World supporting-evidence example.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:30:41 PM EST
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You know, I'm inclined to think that there might well be a cover-up there, and probably in an effort to save her political career, but I'm also inclined to think they should just let it go.  I don't like the idea dragging people's kids into campaigns, unless the kids throw themselves into it, especially if they're so young.  Kids don't get a choice on being in public life, and they should be spared the scrutiny, even if their parents are elected officials.  Everybody fucks up, especially when they're kids, and we ought to just let kids be kids.

And I don't know how to approach the issue even if the kid was pregnant.  I guess you'd run with the mocking of GOP Family Values, but I think the downside is greater than the upside.  I'm not willing to go there.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:48:53 PM EST
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Yes on both counts.

But the ironies are:

  1. If this were a Dem, the Rs would instantly be all over this story. Imagine the scandal if Obama's daughters were older and there were rumours this had happened to one of them.

  2. Fundie repub households just love their teen pregnancies - the reason this won't happen to Obama's daughters is because liberals are much better parents.

So it's just one more possible inappropriateness among many.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:07:45 PM EST
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If this were a Dem, the Rs would instantly be all over this story. Imagine the scandal if Obama's daughters were older and there were rumours this had happened to one of them.

Just wait.  There will be rumors created by the right-wing about Obama's daughters if he's elected.  God help us all if they decide to have another kid in the age of photoshopping.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:15:50 PM EST
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Of course the kids should be spared, but the campaigners cannot be.  

Goppie ´family values´ are a sick joke and should be mocked without mercy, from the divorces to the lack of parenting responsibility, to the contradictions on choice vs. lack of humane treatment during lifetime, etc.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:20:55 PM EST
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Near as I can tell the only long term advantage to Palin is she solidifies a vote that McCain was going to get anyway.  If she excites the Evangelicals and Conservatives enough to re-start the GOP '04 GOTV machine then she's done as good a job as she could be expected to do.

Problem: McCain can't win with only the Evangelical and Conservative GOTV machine.  He needs Moderates and Independents.  Palin does nothing to help with these two segments and is, IMO, more likely to hurt.

Bigger Problem:  what is her affect on down ticket races?  Especially on the House and Senate?  I don't know, don't have a clue at this point.  I do know if I was a GOP congressionalcritter running a tight race for re-election I'd be livid.  Palin, running around shooting her mouth off, is exactly what I DON'T want in a tight race in a bad environment:


Congress-wo/man?  Do you think Palin is qualified to be VP?

Congress-wo/man?  Do you agree with Palin that contraception is immoral in marriages?

Congress-wo/man?  Do you agree with Palin that abortion should be banned even in cases of rape or incest?

Congress-wo/man?  Do you SUPPORT Palin as the Vice-Presidental nominee?

Again, I don't know what is going to happen but this is beginning to look like a major GOP SNAFU.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:26:42 PM EST
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Data from on FiveThirtyEight


Conservatives have a favorable impression of her by a 79-8 margin, but this falls to 43-35 among moderates and 26-46 among liberals. Likewise, by a 48-22 margin, conservatives think she's ready to be President, but she loses this question 23-54 among moderates and 9-67 among liberals.

Palin is -8 favorable and a whopping -31 "Ready" gap among Moderates.  Early indication: secures the Conservative vote but doesn't help outside the core GOP vote.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 03:32:12 PM EST
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Right.  And, like I said, I don't expect those numbers to get much better in the long term.  They'll perhaps rise a bit during, and immediately after, the RNC.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 04:03:34 PM EST
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I dunno.

The numbers could easily plummet as well.

Is Palin disciplined enough to stay on pre-recorded message or does she go off on her own?  What IS the message since McCain just undercut the "experienced" issue?  How well does Palin handle pressure?  How well does she do 'interview?'  How well can she work without a net?  

None of these are answerable by anyone.  Got to wait and see.

McCain can't keep her under wraps or in any way look like she is a 'kept' - however defined - woman.  Otherwise the backlash will reverberate long past the election.  


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:39:19 PM EST
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I don't see her going off on her own intentionally.  She might say something inconsistent with a McCain policy, along the lines of the Bridge to Nowhere (which she supported and McCain opposed) or the windfall profits tax on oil.

The risk of her simply saying something stupid is very high, because she's apparently been quite open about her lack of interest in foreign affairs.  That's the biggest problem.  And it'd be catastrophic, if she did it in the debate with Biden -- something along the lines of Ford saying, "There's no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe, and there never will be under a Ford administration."

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:22:11 PM EST
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... to the Bridge to Nowhere, even if the fact is she was for it until it became clear there was no more chance for any federal money.

The question is whether the media feels comfortable enough with the "not experienced enough to be VP, let alone President" meme to actually go after her when she, like, lies like a carpet.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:31:48 PM EST
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... will be along the lines of, "Governor Palin is not 1% as prepared to be President as Senator Clinton is."


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, the obvious statement would be, "I know Hillary Clinton; I served with Hillary Clinton; Hillary Clinton is a friend of mine; Governor, you're no Hillary Clinton."  But I wouldn't go there.  And I don't think Biden would say that anyway.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:17:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Too obvious ... Biden would want to say something that will get the pundits saying, "he could have said ..."


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:43:52 PM EST
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The speed of a normal internet connection after 2 weeks of dialup is a rather enjoyable experience!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:30:12 PM EST

Hidden riches in a rubbish dump

(Reuters) - A dramatic rise in the value of old plastic is encouraging waste companies to consider the possibility of mining existing landfill sites to reclaim and recycle their potentially valuable contents.

Interesting stats on the composition of waste follows...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:31:57 PM EST
A lovely cartoon:



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:32:56 PM EST
Sorry, forgot the link:
http://xkcd.com/468/


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:33:35 PM EST
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House of horrors

How bad can it get? Nationwide's August figures showed house prices down almost 2 per cent since July, producing the UK's first double-digit, year-on-year decline since 1992. The annualised quarter-on-quarter rate of decline, meanwhile, is touching 17 per cent. It is now likely that the eventual peak-to-trough fall will end up being more severe - in real and nominal terms - than the corrections of the early 1990s and mid-1970s.

Of course, that graph was also used 3-4 years ago (without the last bit going down) to suggest things were unsustainable - and was nevertheless dismissed as unserious.

What were they thinking? Or rather - what were they selling?!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:36:13 PM EST
How do you know when Jerome is back?

Ans: Lots of pretty graphs.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:43:53 PM EST
Some truly bad articles yesterday:


Merkel's choice: economic reform or populism

As the economy weakens, Ms Merkel faces a choice between the populism preached by a large segment of her conservative troops to win re-election or fundamental reform. Recent history suggests economic woes can bring out the best of German politicians. When the economy was last stagnating and haemorrhaging jobs, Gerhard Schröder, her Social Democratic predecessor, responded with Agenda 2010, a tough and unpopular package of benefit cuts and labour market reforms. The measures led to Mr Schröder's premature ousting from office, ironically a few months before they began to bear fruit.

The record of the grand coalition, blessed by the creation of 1.6m jobs in the past two years, is so far not as impressive. It courageously raised the retirement age by two years and began to fix Germany's ballooning budget deficit - albeit thanks to booming tax revenues. Yet it could not muster the strength to finish Mr Schröder's job of labour market reform and fixing social security. If fact, it has reversed some of the Agenda 2010 reforms.

So could the looming downturn herald a return to bitter medicine? There are reasons to fear it will not. Indeed, next year there is more likely to be a bout of populist rhetoric that could make even Hugo Chávez, the Venezuelan president, blush.

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Germany's rulers face the choice between being honest now or resorting to populism to win re-election and then facing an unpleasant backlash.

Reform always hurts people so is opposed, but it is necessary (for the rich and their "growth"). But opposing it gets you labelled a Chavezist. I wonder what we should do about the permanent use by the neolibs of insults (or, more precisely, of what they have turned into insults by parallel propaganda).


Putin maps the boundaries of greater Russia

We need to get this straight. Vladimir Putin's Russia has invaded a neighbour, annexed territory and put in place a partial military occupation. It seeks to overthrow the president of Georgia and to overturn the global geopolitical order. It has repudiated its signature on a ceasefire negotiated by France's Nicolas Sarkozy and disowned its frequent affirmations of Georgia's territorial integrity. Most importantly: all of this is our fault.

The "our" in this context, of course, refers to the US and the more headstrong of its European allies such as Britain. If only Washington had been nicer to the Russians after the fall of the Berlin Wall. If only the west had not humiliated Moscow after the break-up of the Soviet Union.

Surely we can see now what a provocation it was to allow the former vassal states of the Soviet empire to exercise their democratic choice to join the community of nations? And what of permitting them to shelter under Nato's security umbrella and to seek prosperity for their peoples in the European Union? Nothing, surely, could have been more calculated to squander the post-cold-war peace.

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Moscow's invasion of Georgia and its public scorn at the likely international response speaks to an entirely different mindset: a retreat from integration and a preference for force over rules. Russia's neighbours are told they can be vassals or enemies. Mr Medvedev boasts Russia is ready for another cold war.

I struggle to see what Russia will gain. It is friendless. Governments and foreign investors alike now know that Moscow's word is worthless. The price of aggression will be pariah status. Mr Putin, of course, will blame the west.

I usually expect better from Philip Stephens. There is no mention of Iras, Kosovo or Saakashvili's aggression.

Pathetic.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:44:16 PM EST
This little tidbit stands out in the first article:

"It courageously raised the retirement age by two years and began to fix Germany's ballooning budget deficit - albeit thanks to booming tax revenues."

Apparently, to the author the goal is not to bring down the deficit, but to bring down the deficit through downsizing government. Not a surprise, but still amusing, in a grim way...

by glacierpeaks (glacierpeaks@comcast.net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:56:12 PM EST
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We need to get this straight.

He got the memo - just like all the rest of the Western™ media chorus.

Russia is the enemy. Repeat.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 05:16:30 AM EST
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by Jeremy Leggett, which is a pity as he is a respected peakoiler.

This one I will debunk in full (later).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 02:46:35 PM EST
Money is no object in battle to save planet
By Danny Rose, The Sydney Morning Herald

A major survey of Australians' views on climate change has found an overwhelming majority think it is happening and they're prepared to pay to address it.

The study by University of Technology Sydney found Australians wanted to see cuts in the nation's greenhouse gas emissions irrespective of the actions of other countries.

Researchers quizzed 768 people, who were chosen randomly but with a method to ensure the sample was reflective of the Australian population.

The key findings include that 83.7 per cent believed global warming was occurring and, of those, 84.9 per cent said Australia should proceed with an emissions trading scheme (ETS) regardless of the international response. "The bottom line from this study is that Australians think now is the time to adopt a climate change program that has some real teeth," visiting economics professor at UTS Richard Carson said.

"They believe that climate change will cause serious problems in Australia and elsewhere in the world, and they understand there will be sizeable cost going along with it."

by Magnifico on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 03:26:05 PM EST
The LNG storage box built by Acciona in the Algeciras Bay sails for the Adriatic.
http://tinyurl.com/5pmhst

The concrete box is 180 x 88 x 47 m. high.  It´s the first offshore gas platform to be installed in the world and has a distribution capacity of 8m metric tons per year.
...
The LNG Terminal project client is Rass Laffan LNG, participated by Quatar Petroleum, Exxon Mobil USA and Edison Italia, and have also collaborated Aker Kvaerner and Norway´s subsidiary of Skanska, responsible of engineering and construction management.

The trip will take about 21 days.... to its final destination 17 km. from the coast of Venice...



Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 03:39:26 PM EST
Looks like Gustav (Category 4 hurricane) is going to sweep through the Gulf of Mexico oil platforms just like Katerina.

That'll be good for a nice bump in oil prices.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:45:48 PM EST

Here for more details.

And a bit of hurricane eye-candy¹:

¹  Pun Patent Pending.  All Rights Reserved.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:52:04 PM EST
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... leaves off ...


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 05:57:42 PM EST
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From that same link, I cited this which does not augur well for NOLA, given this!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 08:23:29 PM EST
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Nope.  It looks like this is going to hit pretty damned close to NOLA.  Let's hope it veers westward.  If this goes into New Orleans, or even deals a harsh blow sideswiping it, it's going to be ugly.  The housing stock (what's left of it) will be destroyed.  We probably can't count on the French Quarter escaping a second time, which means a major part of the city's economy is crushed.  Harrah's will get flooded, which will be another harsh blow, economically.

Downtown will be iffy.  The Warehouse District was in bad shape already, and it'll get worse.  The Ninth Ward and St Bernard's Parish will be obliterated.

The city's drainage and sewer systems are atrocious under the best of circumstances.  Worst of all, the fucking pumps don't even work properly, because they were apparently put it by Bush cronies

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 11:20:48 PM EST
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Yep.  Just makes ya more comfy ramming that offshore drilling bill through Congress, too, don't it?

This is a real beast of a storm.  Katrina was fairly compact.  Highly developed.  Kind of like Andrew back in '92.  This one is looking both highly developed and absolutely massive.

Very scary.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 11:11:52 PM EST
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I didn't see any commentary here on ET, although I haven't been here in a week or so....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/27/opinion/27friedman.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=friedman&st=cse& amp;oref=slogin

It's the latest column by Thomas Friedman, Mr. Neo-Liberal himself, remarking on China's accomplishments in preparing for the Olympic games, and how it was an example of state planning and power at work. He goes on to say (in broad terms) that we need the same in America, in order to rebuild the country. Part of his justification is that while China's poor are still worse than America's poor, China's upper class is living better than America's upper class.  

Not what you expect to hear from a neo-liberal, especially one who seemed to personify neoliberalism in the 1990's. Friedman was rabidly against the anti-globalization protests here in Seattle in 1999, and used his position at the NYT to become the leading public figure espousing neo-liberalism. He was very influential in Washington.

He seemed to moderate these views in the last few years; in a recent book he even made a favorable reference to Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. This column, which has gone completely unnoticed during the focus on the Democratic convention, might be a sign that he is seriously flirting with a major break with neoliberalism.

Too early to tell, however this is how major change occurs: a significant part of the establishment becomes disenchanted with a status quo they previously accepted or even championed, and actively work to bring it down.

In my opinion, that's exactly what happend in Eastern Europe in 1989. A sizable chunk of the elite class, having been to the West and seen its richness, and having seen how the elite in the West benefited when Reagan and Thatcher removed the "burdens" of regulation and the state, realized that if they did away with planning committees, they could own everything outright. So they turned against their own system...

Now it may be happening again, but in the reverse direction.

Thoughts?

by glacierpeaks (glacierpeaks@comcast.net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 06:48:21 PM EST
Here's the money shot:

"China did not build the magnificent $43 billion infrastructure for these games, or put on the unparalleled opening and closing ceremonies, simply by the dumb luck of discovering oil. No, it was the culmination of seven years of national investment, planning, concentrated state power, national mobilization and hard work."

by glacierpeaks (glacierpeaks@comcast.net) on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:00:28 PM EST
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It's always nice when a person with access realizes they've been wrong.  I'd like to think Mr. "Give it Six Months" Friedman has come around but I don't trust the sum-bitch.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sat Aug 30th, 2008 at 07:24:00 PM EST
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while China's poor are still worse than America's poor, China's upper class is living better than America's upper class.  

Remember that the only goal of neoliberalism is the well-being of the upper class. Whatever works to provide that is ok. So he still is a neolib - he's just beginning to realise that plunder only works for so long, if others are taking another, more efficient, route in the meantime...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 02:39:41 AM EST
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