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Hurricane Gustav

by ATinNM
Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 02:50:46 AM EST

This gives some idea of the size of Gustav

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The eye is just off the coast of Cuba and the outermost rain clouds are in north central Georgia.  That's roughly 800 miles or 1,333 kilometers.  It about that much wide (roughly) but call it 1,200 kilometers; so if the eye of Gustav was at Paris the outermost bands would be in Helsigborg, Sweden, just across the 'whale road' from Copenhagen; east/west it would stretch from Manchester, England to pretty close to Milan, Italy.  

If I remember the terminology correctly, Gustav falls into the "One Huge Honker of a Storm" Category on the "Kee-rist and His Bastard Son Harry!" scale.

The actual hurricane force winds (minimum 70/116 miles/kilometers per hour) from the eye wall extend ... well I don't know how far out they will extend when you wake up in the morning (slackers) but right before it hit Cuba it was 60/100 miles/kilometers and that's a radius, mind you.  

But that's not the most important part of the story.

Gustav, the bastard, dumped 25+ inches of rain per inch or 13.5 centimeters of rain every .54 centimeters when it slammed into Cuba.  THAT'S the important part and why hurricanes are so damaging.  Flooding, flooding, flooding.  There's no way any river can carry away the amount of water a hurricane, or a strong Tropical Storm, dumps.  So you get standing water all over the place.  And standing water is the THE worst thing a building has to withstand.  Or, rather, not withstand.  After a building's foundation and sills have been immersed in water for 24 hours they are, as is said in the construction business, fucked.  Fergit it.  Hosed.  Beridden, bewettened, and beshitted.

Beshitted?

Yes.  Because ... where do you think all that pee and poop goes?  Anyway?  And when it is grandly lifted from whence it was, floated to the top of the water, and gracefully transported to your living room floor it ain't a pretty sight.  

Or smell.

Another thing hurricanes bring: disease.  Without really good Public Health services available Right the Hell Now all the various bacteria and virus populations find that yummy environment, formerly your living room floor, and explode.  These little buggers are simple souls.  All they want to do is be born, live, reproduce, and give you malaria, dengue fever, diphtheria, typhoid, and various other wonderful experiences.  

The last thing a hurricane brings, that I am going to talk about, is economic devastation.  The nations of the Caribbean, what with one thing and another, don't have a lot of spare cash sitting around.  One of the reasons they don't have a lot of spare cash sitting around is every five to ten years a hurricane comes through and plays havoc with their economies for a year or so.  I'm no expert in this field so I can't provide a cash accounting but those who are estimated the cost of Katrina (a supposedly Unique Event¹) anywhere from $20 to $150 billion.  Even cutting this to 1/10 of the damage a country has gotta sell a buttload of bananas to get 2 to 15 billion bucks.  And that money is tax money wrested from those lying thieving murderous bastard sons-of-bitches² like the United Fruit Chiquita Brands International company, when they condescend to pay any tax at all.  

And let us not forget during the time between the hurricane and the check for the bananas clears the afflicted country has to borrow money from your local, friendly, international banker to buy food from the local, friendly, international grain dealer to feed the populace lest they starve to death or die of diseases while also using some of that money to purchase, from your local, friendly, international supplier various odds and thingummies to get the economy moving.  Again.

Of course, should the country not pay the interest or principal for the loan, or for the food, or for the odds and thingummies - for whatever reason - a polite note from the bankers, dealers, and suppliers will be brought to their shores by the US Navy and delivered by the United States Marine Corp who, together and acting as one, will proceed to steal everything that isn't nailed down and crowbar up everything that is until the bankers, dealers, and suppliers are satisfied.

Or the country ekes along, repaying the debt and interest.  Trying to get ahead of the game.  Trying to develop.

And then, sometime later, another hurricane comes along and the whole sorry mess starts again.

Sidebar

Castro's heinous sin wasn't his Marxism.  Nor was it his secret police, jails, and repression of dissent.  The US did and does business with many other authoritarian regimes that did the same thing, such as Saudi Arabia.

No.

Castro's crime, and the reason for the economic sanctions, was he told the United Fruit Company, et.al., to "Piss Off" and they could whistle for their money.

Footnotes

¹  Gustav isn't happening.  Who you going to believe?  Your lying eyes or the actuaries at the Major Global Insurance Companies?

²  I use "lying thieving murderous bastard sons-of-bitches" only in its nicest possible sense.  After all I am assured by Tommy Friedman transnational corporations only want to sell me a Lexus whilst I'm grooving under my very own Olive Tree.

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I don't know enough to have The Answer.  

As I see it part of the answer is to get the Caribbean out from under the disaster/debt cycle.  As long as they are bleeding money to pay for the hurricanes of 20 years ago they will never be able to garner enough capital to get ahead of the game.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 02:33:18 AM EST
But don't you know that "the markets will provide, dear?"

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 04:48:23 AM EST
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I think two questions spring to mind:

1) Should we be trying to build growing economies in places where nature is so clearly against it. Is this like building a town on the side of an active volcano?

[Throw in the ecological costs of rebuilding every few years too...]

And if so, do we have even a conceptual idea what to do about it? [This question applies to whole coastal areas of Bangladesh too, I suspect.]

2) If not, can we conceive of if not "hurricane proof" then at least more "hurricane resistant" infrastructure and housing? If flooding is the big issue, could (with enough investment) emergency drainage be created? Is it just a question of money and political will, or is it not possible?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 04:59:24 AM EST
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More areas where populations are already established are going to find themselves in these precarious positions where if you were starting over you'd never pick that bit of land for a new town.

London will be in that position eventually, and no Government is going to say, 'ok we'll let it go under and move to the Midlands.'

So I guess your option 2 is where the thought and money needs to go but that's expensive and they seem to consider letting nature do it's damage as the easiest option.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 05:11:58 AM EST
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  1. Most of the planet is uninhabitable. Between storms, tornadoes, drought, tsunamis, earthquake, potential ocean-sized rock slides and exploding Yellowstone calderas, nowhere is definitively safe. It's more about acceptable risk and mitigation. Which leads to -

  2. Whether or not they're affordable, acceptable risk and mitigation get in the way of a familiar way of life. You can build houses on stilts in the Thames eschewawy, but when the river floods everything stops for a week or so. Your rowing boat will get you to the neighbours, but unless someone invents submarine supermarkets, there's no way to buy food or get to work.

You can't climate proof a building without climate proofing a culture, and that's a slightly harder problem - not impossible, but there's more involved than a bit of architectural weather proofing.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 06:03:59 AM EST
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One thing that Gustav reminds me of is that Europe, overall, has incredibly mild weather conditions compared to the rest of the world.

I'm sure this has helped in making it a convenient base to conquer the rest of the world.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 05:31:35 PM EST
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And relative geological stability, at least north of the Mediterranean.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 10:26:15 PM EST
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You mean north of the Alps. No shortage of quakes along the northern shore of the Mediterranean. One of the first things I remember doing in Geneva is collecting stuff in school for the victims of a massive quake in Italy.
by MarekNYC on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:04:31 AM EST
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That and the fact that it's got such a convoluted coastline. Bigger coastline to land mass ratio means more harbours per person, and probably a greater reliance on ship transportation.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 10:52:11 PM EST
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I gather China and northeast Asia isn't all that bad either. Nor, really, is the American northeast, great lakes region, and west coast. Not as good as Western Europe between the North Sea and the Alps/Pyrenees, but still. The northeast/great lakes region also had some pretty great navigation possibilities.

However, prior to the seventeenth century, all the great powers had been based in hot climates, with the partial exception of China.

by MarekNYC on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:09:35 AM EST
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The US north east lacks domesticable megafauna and most domesticable plant species. Hard to do Traditional Civilisation(TM) there...

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:14:25 PM EST
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On the other hand, the New World has plenty of domesticated plants and animals. The main difference is that European and Far Eastern civilizations were centered on seafaring (Mediterranean, coast of China) while the New World civilization was land-based--so it never "discovered" the rest of the world.

http://transportationhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_inca_and_their_roads

by asdf on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 07:25:38 PM EST
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But the maize cultivating cultures were also quite a bit later than the wheat and rice cultivating cultures. Probably on account of a) maize being harder to domesticate than wheat and rice and b) South and Central America being divided North-South by its seas and mountain ranges, whereas Europe is divided East-West.

East-West divisions ease the migration of agricultural practises, because they follow the latitude, and thus remain in largely the same climate, whereas North-South migration forces the migrants to cross latitudes, potentially moving them into a different climate belt that renders their crops unfavourable.

The South and Central American cultures had barely five centuries from the first systematic agriculture until they came into contact with comparatively high-tech European culture - with all the predictably nasty outcomes we know. The Europeans had about five millenia of agricultural societies under their belts.

But of course, the convoluted European coastline probably did play a role in making marine transportation so dominant in European culture.

- Jake

Ceterum censeo Chicago esse delendam

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 at 03:13:42 PM EST
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1) Should we be trying to build growing economies in places where nature is so clearly against it. Is this like building a town on the side of an active volcano?

Maybe not, but it's also the case that these kinds of storms are not unheard of even in New Orleans.  Hell, Charleston still has its scares from Hugo.  SW Florida still hasn't fully recovered from the 2004 season, and SE Florida only fully recovered from Andrew because of the huge boom the area experienced for the last 16 years.

The competence just isn't there anymore.  The levees weren't great to begin with.  Now they're pretty much useless, because the Bush administration didn't learn its lesson, despite the Louisiana press, especially the Times-Picayune and some national press and the city shouting for three years that this was going to happen again.  The Corps basically went in and half-assed it.

Again.

As TBG pointed out, there's nowhere on the planet that's entirely safe.  We all know, for example, that they're just waiting for The Big OneTM out in California.

We can't hurricane-proof anything.  But we can save many lives by not being stupid.  A huge chunk of deaths after hurricanes come as a result of people being arrogant and stupid, not knowing to avoid standing water (powerlines), or to stay off the road because of the potential for debris or even the potential to not be able to see the road (leaving you to potentially go off it, get stuck in a ditch, and drown).

Katrina was one of the exceptions to those, simply because of the massive amounts of water.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:04:47 AM EST
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Should we be trying to build growing economies in places where nature is so clearly against it. Is this like building a town on the side of an active volcano?

Ya know, you have the annoying habit of putting your finger on the crucial issues.  ;-)

Like the sides of volcanos, the Caribbean is marvelously fruitful, agriculturally productive.  Three and even four growing seasons, compared to temperate climes, are common.  Some of the islands, like Cuba, have mountains creating micro-climates enabling one to grow just about anything.

This comes at the cost of hurricanes and tropical storms.

Should the Caribbean industrialize given the continual risk?  Probably not.  But what about the people who live there?  Should they give up and cut their throats?  At their current economic (wealth creation) situation the Caribbean is over-exploited, over-populated.  Assuming, a large assumption I grant, First World industrialization it's under-exploited, not over-populated.  

...can we conceive of if not "hurricane proof" then at least more "hurricane resistant" infrastructure and housing?

Yes and No.

Yes, application of known engineering techniques can greatly improve hurricane "proofing."  As Cuba, to some degree, has done.

No, it is impossible to prevent hurricane damage to physical and environmental infrastructures.  At enormous cost.  Which the governments and citizens can't afford.  


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 12:58:20 PM EST
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At certain phases, the great invention of money becomes a block to economy and all nice life. People are willing to help each other provide and receive services as ever and even more then, but you need money - those tickets that give you rights to consume and do business. Without money, you can't have a drink or get anything done for you. The best you can do is to borrow money, and then pay handsomely to banking Tchengis Khans for that privilege.

They say the US economy still grows at 3.3% rate  lately, so the goods and services are provided. That may be so, but all good goes more exclusively to a narrowing class of have-everythings. The GDP numbers can grow from desperate shifts to serve the dollar mighty alone. Soccer mom identification with Sarah Palin is becoming a departing nostalgia to many, actually. But few are ready to know.

by das monde on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 05:09:10 AM EST
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If you get a chance, and want to be depressed, grab a copy of The Great Wave: Price Revolutions and the Rhythm of History by Prof. David Hackett Fischer.

Quote from Review (found at the link) in the Library Journal.

The first revolution of which we have adequate record occurred in the 13th century: it coincided with the onslaught of the Black Death and put an end to the forward movement and optimism of the High Middle Ages. Later price crises coincided with devastating religious wars and social unrest in the 17th century, revolutions at the end of the 18th century, and the Great Depression and the horrors of totalitarianism of our own century. Today, we face another devastating wave of inflation: "after 1975...ratios of wealth inequality reached their highest levels in four centuries of American history....The principal victims [are]...the young people who have no hope for the future and no memory of better times in the past. The result [is] a rapid growth of alienation, anomie, confusion, and despair." Fischer combines a lively narrative with cogent analysis and sound advice. Essential for scholarly collections, this fine book will also be appreciated by lay readers.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:15:04 PM EST
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Looks like a thing I would like to read. Michael Hudson writes about debt history as well.

The lot of young people is very true. From what they know, they have to assume debt or wage "slavery" is a normal way to prosperity. But no one is giving them real opportunities for a bargain, except for those born in right families.

by das monde on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 04:32:23 AM EST
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Great book.  Another kind of hurricane.  He refers to "waves" rather than "cycles" in  economic history, as "cycles" imply a periodicity that is poorly correlated with observed economic history. I read it around 2001.  He notes that, by historical standards, we were well overdue for a major correction of the 1929 variety.  

He had grave doubts as to the continued efficacy of our "management" of the economy which many were touting as having made the business cycle obsolete.  His analysis is part of why I don't believe we are much more than half way to the bottom of the current downward trend.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:34:43 PM EST
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Informative and fascinating look at economic history, population, and their ties.  A review is on my ever increasing list of 'Diaries I Want to Write.'

Any day.  

Real soon now.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:43:40 PM EST
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Sounds like a plan.  I'd have to re-read it to do it justice, if I could even then.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 02:02:45 PM EST
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And presumably, as we speak, President Bush is sending "humanitarian aid" to Cuba  - just as he has been giving Georgia, Europe?

Vote McCain for war without gain
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 04:50:22 AM EST
Can I have some of what you've been smoking or are you gonna hog the Good Stuff?

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:08:49 PM EST
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... thems in Florida, and registered voters to boot.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:34:28 PM EST
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Good if you're a Republican who can count on those fascists voting for you 80% of the time.  Not so good for those of us who had to grow up dealing with their bizarre counterrevolutionary psychosis, and who send our Social Security contributions to fund them when they manage to escape The Great Workers' ParadiseTM and wash up at Havana del Norte.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 10:31:14 PM EST
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You reckon? Let me see the role I was reading in "Irony: The Play" ...

"Stereotypical National Republican #5".

Ayup, looks like you pegged it.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 11:25:04 PM EST
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Ah, if I could only write as well as you.  Perhaps it's an acquired skill.  I can hope.

Will you keep an updated map up through the day?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 05:24:06 AM EST
Thank you.

The Tropical Weather page on WeatherUnderground is my source for information.  They update information as it comes in from the National Weather Service in the US and other countries.

 

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 12:00:03 PM EST
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People who made Katrina a "Unique Event" and NO mayor Nagin who makes Gustav "the storm of the century" don't know what they're talking about... The sensationalism and clamouring for the 15 minutes of attention just irks.

Following the indispensable Weather Underground of Jeff Masters, predictions of Gustav's landfall on the American continent still varies considerably:

Wunder Blog : Weather Underground

We should not be surprised if the center comes ashore as far east as Mississippi, or as far west as Galveston, though, given the current boundaries of the cone of uncertainty. A landfall on the western side of the cone of uncertainty, in Texas, is more likely than one on the eastern side, in Mississippi. Once Gustav makes landfall, it will slow down, and pose a significant rainfall/flooding threat to Louisiana and Texas. Portions of this region are under moderate to severe drought, so the flooding could've been worse.

Also from Masters' site, a link to NOAA's looped satellite images which also impressively illustrate how much Gustav is still expanding in size - although it apparently hasn't reached the monstrous size of Katrina in 2005.

Thanks for the diary ATinNM.

by Nomad on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 06:07:55 AM EST
Nomad:
Portions of this region are under moderate to severe drought, so the flooding could've been worse.

Doesn't drought tend to make flooding worse?
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 06:28:47 AM EST
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Here in New Mexico if it's dry it's a river.  If it has water in it, it's a flood.

Heavy rains during a drought will first fill-up the dried-out lakes, ponds, and other water holding areas.  Mostly with water but also sediment and other debris.

After that, when the ground is saturated and everything is full, it will cause disastrous flooding.  As happened recently in the New Mexico town of Ruidoso.

 

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:23:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... makes flooding worse depends on topography.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:36:16 PM EST
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My wife and I picked our way along the stretch of ocean side between New Orleans and Mobile in early 1970, following the 1969 Hurricane Camille ("strongest storm ever to enter the US").  The destruction I saw was just unbelievable.  Having grown up along the Gulf Coast, and somewhat used to the annual parade of lesser hurricanes, I was shocked at what I no longer was able to see there. Several hundred years of history and civilization were simply gone.

 

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:52:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Oil Drum

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 08:54:53 AM EST
I need to point-out maracatu knows a lot more about this than I and will, one hopes, weigh in at some point.


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 01:00:56 PM EST
There's a video of Cuba during and after the hurricane at the BBC (no sound)

Gustav in Cuba

by MarekNYC on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 04:19:49 PM EST
here.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Sun Aug 31st, 2008 at 09:28:33 PM EST
BBC reports that gustav is going to be down graded to a Cat 2 and will pass some distance to the west of New Orleans

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 08:38:55 AM EST
God seems to have a good sense of humour. Give the Republicans the excuse they've been looking for to downgrade their convention, and then destroy the excuse at the last moment.... I guess McCain will still manage to find a destroyed house or two to give his acceptance speech in front of.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 09:05:14 AM EST
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MSNBC now reports that the storm has weakened, but also that FEMA says that it will overtop the levees.
NEW ORLEANS - As Hurricane Gustav steamed toward the Louisiana coast early Monday, a top FEMA official warned that the surge will likely overtop levees and at least partially flood the city that was hit hard by Hurricane Katrina in 2005.
[...]It added, "An extremely dangerous storm surge of 10 to 14 feet above normal tidal levels is expected near and to the east of where the center of Gustav crosses the coast."
I thought Katrina had a much larger surge. Is FEMA just being overcautious, or is the state of the levees still that bad?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 09:42:31 AM EST
is the state of the levees still that bad?

rumours abound, but we'll find out in a few hours.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 09:51:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You count a direct quote from a FEMA official as a rumour? I've a feeling you just might be right...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 10:20:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Water clears levees as Gustav makes Louisiana landfall - CNN.com

The eye of Hurricane Gustav made landfall near Cocodrie, Louisiana, about 9:30 a.m. CT, the National Hurricane Center said.

Winds were sending whitecaps over levees in New Orleans, but the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers reported no major problems.

There were reports of water going over the Industrial Canal levee near a railroad bridge, said Chris Macaluso, a spokesman for the Louisiana Office of Coastal Protection and Restoration. The Port of New Orleans will raise the bridge to ease pressure on the system, he said.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:55:22 PM EST
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Looks like there's going to be some relatively minor localised flooding in a few areas of NO, but nothing to compare with the scale of a few years ago.

I just watched a news feed, and apparently one of the reasons some of the levees failed was because there were unsecured ships in the Industrial Canal which smashed them apart.

This time some concerned residents asked three times to make sure there were no boats in the canal. Instead they found that three boats had been moored firmly by the coastguard - lucky enough this time, but something they'll want to do more about next time.

It's been a total non-disaster so far - good news for NOLA, bad news for the republican vampires.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 02:47:19 PM EST
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From Pinar del Rio Guerrillero [Note: article 'snipped']:

A devastating panorama remained in Los Palacios municipality after the hit of the powerful hurricane Gustav that left this territory with numerous damages in both housings and the rest of the economic infrastructure, and about 20 minor injured people,

The electrical network, with over 60 towers down, is one of the major challenges Los Palacios is facing ...

 ... conversation with Emilio Triana, president of the Municipal Defense Council, he ratified that the major damage was in housing ...

"Preliminary figures show that only 3 400 houses were not damaged, while over 4 000 totally collapsed and about 7000 lost the roof."

Los Palacios agriculture is one of the most damaged areas as well. There was no banana plant standing in this territory. The same happened to sugar cane, all lost in UBPC 16.

... the damage was being evaluated and the first recovery tasks were underway, actions that will count on the support of brigades of the rest of the provinces that arrive Vueltabajo as a solidarity aid.

(Hat tip to maracatu for the link)


Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 01:02:31 PM EST
Note: no deaths.

In life protection during hurricanes, Cuba seems to beat the USA (even pre-Katrina USA).

(I was first told this on the blog of a totally blinkered USAmerican Castro apologist, but subsequent evidence seems to support this one claim of his.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 01:18:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks for adding that.

Meant to but, somehow, it didn't make it in.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 01:28:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here is a surprisingly good article on it.

Cuba braces for new hurricane season - World Blog - msnbc.com

Karen Bernard, a United Nations official who helps Caribbean nations tackle climate disasters, would like to see other countries think and act more like Cuba. "The country does a remarkable job at safeguarding human life," said Bernard.

In the last two decades, 17 major storms have battered the island - but caused fewer than 40 deaths.

That may be the world's best track record, according to a 2006 study by the UN Development Program. The risk of dying in a hurricane hitting the United States, said the report, was 15 times higher than in socialist Cuba.

Bernard believes Cuba's success lies with its centralized planning and preparation along with its focus on removing people from the path of danger. Often, that begins before the rains start and the sun is still shining.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
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