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by In Wales
Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:13:03 AM EST

So, what's the weather like?


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It is relentlessly chucking buckets down here.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:13:52 AM EST
Hot and humid here, as always.  But we're already into August, so fall is coming, and hopefully it'll be a nice, colorful one, since we've had a good amount of rain this year.

But didn't winter just end?  I really can't keep up.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:31:17 AM EST
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The blackberries are already starting to ripen here.  We've had a lot of rain this summer, although I can't say it is cold.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:36:36 AM EST
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Not too much rain in the summer here, but we had a ton in the spring.  Nearly an entire year's worth.

The lousy bit is that winter will get here.  The snowfall will undoubtedly be pathetic (since anywhere I move that normally has a decent amount automatically gets almost none), and the city will look very depressing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:44:14 AM EST
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So are the iphones!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:46:12 AM EST
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Cast aside thy heathen Crackberries!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:46:52 AM EST
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I was today asked for an iPhone capability that does not exist, that you would like to exist in your wildest dreams, but on thinking about it you realize the technology will never be there.

Washing machine would be too ridiculous, as an answer. Beer bottle opener too trite. Scanner is probably coming - the technology exists.

Any ideas? Would be good if it was entertaining....

This is not a phone idea, but gives a hint as to what I'm looking for....




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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:40:24 AM EST
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the iPhone drinks tray?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:47:52 AM EST
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What's your range of likely values for 'never'?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:01:23 PM EST
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With everything we know today

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:47:53 PM EST
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Does it have to be technically impossible? or will just extrememly difficult for practical reasons do?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:51:30 PM EST
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oh and would it need to be just iPhone or can it be pushed to phones in general?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:53:35 PM EST
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iPhones and similar.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:13:37 PM EST
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How about the instant Butler then, internet based phone software, gets you whatever you want using your phone. Say I want a particular red wine, I buy it through the phone. software checks on its local availability from knowing which particular cell i'm in. Then goes off and does the purchase in the local shop, and provides me with directions as to how to get there. once i'm there, all the money bits have already been dealt with by the phone so I just pick the stuff up which is already waiting for me. It's like online shopping only without the wait for the postman/courier.

The big problems are the size of the backend stock control databases or getting access to shops individual stock control systems, and of course security. what happens if someone steals my phone and uses it to go on a spending spree.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:26:41 PM EST
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Cue the thumbprint checker ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:28:55 PM EST
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cue the theives armed with cigar cutters. ;-)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:36:06 PM EST
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That would be an iJames?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:29:31 PM EST
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well if you made a seabourne Navigator programe it would have to be called the iAye Captain

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:35:22 PM EST
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Now that I like. Come to think of it, it is brilliant - a marine TomTom. GPS exists, the charts exist, but does an audience exist?

Could it have an echo sounder?
1 km range radar?
Johnny Depp's Shanty album?


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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:48:35 PM EST
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Avast Behind? ;-)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:52:57 PM EST
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Music For Swinging Lubbers?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:54:08 PM EST
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That's just swell.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:02:47 PM EST
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Sea + for that one :-)

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:05:06 PM EST
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You're out of your depth ;-p

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:06:47 PM EST
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don't listen to him his Barque's worse than his bite.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:12:53 PM EST
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I didn't ketch that last one....

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:21:33 PM EST
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snap.

we were both on the same tack there.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:25:24 PM EST
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i'll take your marks onboard.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:11:41 PM EST
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Schooner rather than later....

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:22:14 PM EST
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I Ketch your drift.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:24:28 PM EST
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Be careful or I'll trawl-rate you ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:26:51 PM EST
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that would be a drag.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:30:34 PM EST
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Well stop harpooning on about it then ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:33:55 PM EST
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well i'm having a Whale of a time.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:36:56 PM EST
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At least you're not blubbering like usual....

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:49:29 PM EST
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well it's that or baleen out.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:00:01 PM EST
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I've been working for 10 minutes on RoRo row your boat ashore, but so far all I've come up with is crabs.

/tautological puns

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:30:40 PM EST
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well, thats all the hanging round with sailors.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:34:47 PM EST
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Tar for that

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:50:09 PM EST
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when it comes down to it I don't know Jack.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:05:56 PM EST
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Shuffle the deck

/wakeful period

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:42:13 PM EST
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I bow to your skills

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:47:56 PM EST
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I'm playing with my Fender

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:04:23 PM EST
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Thats the line you feed to everyone isn't it. ;-)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:38:26 PM EST
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The audience probably does exist, although where the balance point is between costs and numbers would be difficult to gauge. If it was too popular, would it result in too many people going to sea in their sailing boats and thus increasing the social costs in coastguards, lifeboats, and airsea rescue people. (although with the current vogue for socialisng the costs and privatising the profits its a business model that would sell in the city and on wall st.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:59:25 PM EST
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Having steered a large open boat, with a Perkins between my feet, through unfamiliar waters in the Finnish archipelago, and a plastic chart case on the seat, I could certainly see how an interactive mobile marine chart version could be a killer.

The map would always be oriented in the direction the phone is pointing. Standard courses would be marked, including your deviation. Depth alarms (based on chart position). Time to destination. Compass. Hmmmm!

Shall we take this one to Nokia? ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:24:38 PM EST
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Well if we don't someone will.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:30:30 PM EST
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This marine navigator function should have an available video output to drive a larger display, something you could glance at without having to take your eyes off of everything else for too long.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:55:16 PM EST
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GPS appeared on boats before it appeared on land.

The real thing often comes with real time depth mapping, because silt tends to move, so at the edges of a channel you can't be sure of the safe depth. It also varies with tidal phase and season.

See e.g. here.

Also, Nokia might not go for it because there are a lot more drivers than boat owners. ;)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:42:24 PM EST
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jellyfish locator?

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:07:26 PM EST
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One could fancy an incorporated LCD projector, but there is no obvious full colour optical technology available, let alone battery power etc. Also a bit boring.

Or a perfume analyser, so that you could sidle up to someone fanciable at the bar, do the metrics and read off the screen surreptitiously and say "I love a woman who wears 'Tom of Finland'

There is no portable technology to do this yet, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:07:26 PM EST
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How about a full bar?  Though I'm not sure that would never ever ever be possible.  I mean, some laptops already have wine-producing capabilities...



"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:02:14 PM EST
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This one is 'real', my business partner (and Strat collector) has a different version of it on his iPhone.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:11:52 PM EST
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Ah technology for people with small hands.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:27:23 PM EST
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Don't have an Iphone.  Don't have any interest in an Iphone.  Can't see the point of an Iphone.  Dislike what Iphones are doing to the Public Sphere.  

So my suggested enhancement:  Artificial Intelligence module that detects when the owner/user is being an asshole and destroys the goddamn thing.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:44:47 PM EST
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Hopefully there would be no explosive fragmentation, otherwise we'd have a new slogan:

Collecting people

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:52:22 PM EST
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Suggested Marketing Slogans:

"Let Your Fingers Do the Flying!"

"An Iphone for the Rest of Us."

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:01:30 PM EST
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2nd one is smart ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:26:34 PM EST
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Considering the stories I've heard of bricked iPhones, they seem good enough at self-destructing already.

I'd buy an iPhone if it came with a trans-dimensional portal to any parallel universe I wanted to explore. That would redeem it's otherwise Apple-flavoured crapiness.

An iJack would be useful too - a hardware add-on that converted audio from an input jack to an output jack. It wouldn't be any real use, but I suppose someone somewhere would realise you could put guitar effects inside an iPhone and turn it into a very fragile guitar stomp box.

Just having a bloody 3G modem you could use with a bloody Macbook Pro would be a major achievement though.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:55:13 PM EST
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Artificial Intelligence module that detects when the owner/user is being an asshole and destroys the goddamn thing.

I think everyone should have a chip implanted that would blow them up when they became assholes to a certain degree.  For example, if you're standing in front of me at Starbucks, and your order is longer than five words, you're an irredeemable asshole, and you'll be destroyed.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:14:15 PM EST
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hmmmm

Let's see.

"I'd like Calm herbal tea." "No, really, it's called Calm, that's your idea, not mine, it's the one on the top row of the rack at the right hand end."

I think I need more than five words on average.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:16:40 PM EST
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No, "Calm herbal tea" is three words.  You're fine.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:18:41 PM EST
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"Americano, no milk" (yes, I usually do have to state the obvious).

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:21:58 PM EST
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Depending how early it is, all you'll get out of me is 'Latte'.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:27:45 PM EST
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"No, I drink (x), and that's less than five words.  Phew."

heh

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:03:40 PM EST
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11

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:05:21 PM EST
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Do as I say....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:06:15 PM EST
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Yassa!

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:22:47 PM EST
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Hm, instead of complaining about attrocities at TGIF and Starbucks, why don't you just avoid these places?  Complaining about assholes at Starbucks and cruel management at TGIF is like going to the Indy 500 and complaining that no one is going the speed limit.  What do you expect?  If you want some dignity with your take-out, start by spending your money somewhere that is not assisting in the systematic destruction of human dignity.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:15:01 PM EST
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It's nobody's fault if they fallen into the capitalist consumer trap.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:23:55 PM EST
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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic.

To be fair, there are places where it is terribly hard to find alternatives, but if you have a Starbucks and a TGIF, you have other options.  No one is forced to patronize these places.  It may be nobody's fault if they fallen into the capitalist consumer trap.  But it is their fault if they don't try to get out of it.  There is one overwhelming reason people don't: convenience.  It's easy.  Hey, I go to Starbucks now and then.  But when I do - I feel like an asshole.  Because I'm buying a $5 cup of coffee while some kids down the street will be lucky of they have $5 worth of food the entire day.  So, I'm not shocked when everyone else at Starbucks is acting like an ass.  And people who eat glorified fast food, mountains of bland processed food for super cheap are shocked when they learn employees are not treated well?  How do you think you are getting a steak for 10 bucks?  How does Walmart offer such low low prices?  Because they are splurging on their employees?   Of course not.  Our actions have consequences.  If you don't like the culture these businesses promote, stop throwing money at them.  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:40:51 PM EST
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It's often hard to tell when you are being sarcastic.

For the record I avoid Starbucks/McDonalds etc etc as far as I possibly can. I also avoid shopping in places that I know have a poor record on treatment of staff/level of unionisation, or who use child labour to produce their goods.

So in short I agree with you but I do think you took Drew's comment a little more seriously than it was intended.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:59:47 PM EST
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Starbucks? Not even the explosion of coffee al fresco places [looks out of window and says 'uh huh'] in our local small town could attract a Starbucks.

We have a Costa and that's about as exciting as it gets.

One of the good things about the provincial UK is that there are plenty of small non-corporate places where you can get a caffeine fix. Some of them have genuinely friendly people who recognise you and will even talk to you, even when there's a short queue.

The big chains avoid us. We're not big enough, and we're certainly not cool and urban enough.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:02:10 PM EST
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Our local is the Teboil gas station. Good fresh Finnish coffee, the only options are nothing, cream or milk. Cheap working person's lunch. Open till 10 pm. All village gossip available from taxi drivers. Always a friendly greeting from behind the counter. They'll even rent you a TomTom navigator.

It's called the 'office' because we've had many production meetings there.

Never choose the tea, EVER. Finns do not understand tea. I tell them that Lipton's is the sweepings from the floor of the tea packing factory - to no avail. I have to go to the Indian shops on Hämeentie to get my PG Tips, 300 bags at a time. Thats about 2 month's supply ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:59:53 PM EST
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We have a local tea company which sells 'Wiltshire Organic English Breakfast.'

It's really rather good. I refuse to start the day with anything else. ;)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:04:19 PM EST
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That sounds excellent. I too always have to start the day with tea, not coffee.

I am not averse to moving away from the workman's cuppa. I've had local tea in at least 20 countries, made by people who love tea - and they've always been a new taste experience. I especially liked chai in Istanbul, served in small glasses and poured on the street by a lad with an urn on his back and a long spout coming over his shoulder - unerring aim.

But put one of those paper sachets with 'Arctic Berry' in front of me and I'll have a fit. Abominations!!

In meetings I have to drink coffee. Ad agencies are now all replete with capsule coffee makers. I am not too offended by that. The capsule means the ground coffee tastes fresh. The fast infusion helps. And the machines stay clean. There's usually a selection of at least 8 blends depending on mood and shakiness of hand.

At home my coffee is celebrated. Made with the Ikea Kaffe 'plongeur', I usually do a Sth American/Arabica mix. Guatemalan and Parisienne is pretty good 50/50. My coffee shopping mecca is Robert Paulig. But you can find good ground coffees right off the supermarket shelf. After dinner though, I think a perfect coffee is worth investing in.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:27:30 PM EST
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Coffee with a conscience or Robert's coffee

The Paulig family has been in the coffee business for yonks in Finland. Maybe they ARE still the coffee business in Finland. Robert, the black sheep, went off on his own gourmet coffee expedition with upmarket shop cafes. If slim intellectual difficult women are your thing - Robert's is the place to hang out.

<note to self: Robert's tomorrow after TV meeting>

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:39:58 PM EST
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You take things I say far too seriously at times.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:25:37 PM EST
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MO

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:41:02 PM EST
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"MO"?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:54:06 PM EST
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(make the same money for a tenth of the work you usually do)

At least the expresso in Starbucks is consumable, as opposed to "coffee" elsewhere.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:32:30 PM EST
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A little too violent.  May be time to stay off campaigns and caffeine....

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 04:21:16 PM EST
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vibrator?

i-vibe!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:05:43 PM EST
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there are enough legal problems round That idea already. ;-)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:09:34 PM EST
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LOL!

now that's a new way to experience great music together!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:46:44 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:35:19 PM EST
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iLdo?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:44:11 PM EST
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That's probably why there's so much money pouring into battery technology ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:46:33 PM EST
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better data transmission with firewire.

bulk order for the opera house...binoculars for the eyes, these for the huxley 'feelies' factor

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:52:56 PM EST
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I feel an audience participation performance art piece coming on.

(But not in a literal here-and-now kind of a way.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:46:20 PM EST
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I feel an audience participation performance art piece coming on.

(But not in a literal here-and-now kind of a way.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:48:35 PM EST
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[Memo to self - must stop trying to post while downloading giant files which hog all my bandwidth]
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:49:33 PM EST
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Is this what it looks like, or is it merely a USB drive in disguise, like these

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 04:32:06 PM EST
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Japanese memory sticks made in China.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 04:33:58 PM EST
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iPie Thrower,
missing the telescope and sling shot.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Aug 6th, 2008 at 04:15:06 PM EST
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There's a relentless drizzling thin grey mist of depressive misery over everyone and everything within at least four counties.

The forecast for the next week is rain, rain, rain, more rain, rain, rain, and then stormy rain.

I may have to get on a plane to somewhere with sunshine before I'm moved to damp-inspired violence.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:04:21 AM EST
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I've just been pleasantly surprised to realise it is next week that I go to Prague - it was in my head as being at least 2 weeks away.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:20:25 AM EST
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Half sun, half cloud, windy, 24 degrees Celsius. Typical Dutch summer beach weather. Would almost forget I'm in Berlin.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:16:03 AM EST
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After almost over a week of a grey cover and it being cool, this afternoon finally the sun came out again.

And now I am heading to my yoga class, maybe we can do it  outside.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:40:51 AM EST
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forgot, vacuumed yesterday my windowsill and the window, were full of spidernets. I do not mind them much, as they keep out mosquitos and other small flying creatures, but yesterday it was just to much.

Well, today have of the spidernets are back again. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:44:11 AM EST
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I have a sky a uniform monotone pale grey. the ehole world just feels damp.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:56:10 AM EST
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HousingDoom points to a new mini-documentary by the BBC explaining the CDSs.  I can't watch it right now, but I read that it's pretty good:



Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:42:04 AM EST
"John McCain is still stuck on the low road express," said Kerry. "He doesn't get it. He's even dangerous, I think, for the direction of this country."

Kerry accused McCain of repeated flip-flopping and going back on his word of running a clean campaign He also poked fun at McCain's economic credentials.

"I don't know if you know this," joked Kerry, "John McCain is looking for someone for vice president who has more economic expertise than he does. So congratulations to all of you, you're on the short list."

Nice of you to show up, Lt Kerry.  Four years late, but better late than never, I guess.  More and better, please.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:49:47 AM EST
Conclusions to today's lunch: the right-left cleavage has now turned into a democracy vs free market cleavage.

Surely we must be sorely mistaken. It can't the 30's all over again.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:04:57 AM EST
Actually there's probably good parallels between 1908 and 2008. I've been thinking recently that the hiccups of free trade and the looming questions of resource competition between existing economic powers and up and coming ones all looks a lot like the run up to 1914...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:30:23 AM EST
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Your point is more relevant in the economic sphere indeed, as the gold standard crumbled as the dollar might today.

I was thinking along political lines, with the italian and german industrial classes siding with right-wing government in order to quell left wing radicalism. Of course, that radicalism is all but gone.

I don't believe the parallels are so strong, actually, but I don't doubt the divisions still exists.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:40:55 PM EST
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From George Philippidis, associate director of the Applied Research Center (ARC) and co-director of the Energy Business Forum at Florida International University:

In the long run, just like cellulosic ethanol, it makes sense to identify and pursue non-edible alternative, abundant and inexpensive feedstock. A number of companies across the Western Hemisphere are performing small-scale experiments with alternative feedstocks such as waste vegetable oil (used cooking oil), animal fat and fish oil.

In addition, efforts are underway to assess the potential and economic feasibility of jatropha curcas, a small tree that yields seeds rich in non-edible oil (35-40 percent) that can be converted to biodiesel. Because of its toxicity to humans and animals, jatropha is used for neither human nor animal consumption. Moreover, it is native to the Caribbean and Central American region, increasing the chances that it could form the basis of a local biofuels industry. To date, most of the information about jatropha planting and biodiesel production comes from India, where microfarmers grow the plant. A small commercial jatropha biodiesel company is operating in Guatemala and more developmental projects are underway in Honduras and South Florida.

Citation from a policy paper that was published by the Center for Hemispheric Policy for its task force on "Energy Cooperation and Security in the Hemisphere."

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:26:53 AM EST
What's the weather like?  Heh.  Funny you should ask.

We had the storm from hell last night.  We get a lot of tornado warnings during the summer, a lot of thunderstorms, being in the Midwest and all.  But last night was officially scary.  The entire area was under a tornado watch.  All of the tv stations cut out and had that scary computerized voice telling people to get in the basement, evacuate their cars.  Then the local weather people would come on: No, really, this applies to you people living in the city too.  If you live downtown, go to the lowest floor of your building, yadda yadda yadda.  The electricity was off and on, and all you could hear was the wail of tornado sirens.  They were tracking the funnel clouds from the western suburbs to the city, block by block.  I've never heard of funnel clouds in the city proper.  Crazy stuff.  90 mile an hour winds, funnel clouds (I don't think any actually touched down) and sirens.  Cat was not happy.  Uhg.  

Here are some pics from the Trib:



"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:27:52 AM EST
I'll keep my hurricanes, thank you.

Although, now I live in an area where we can get hurricanes and tornadoes.  We've had several warnings this year.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:01:08 PM EST
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by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 11:40:07 AM EST
Thanks for that, MT!

From the liquor store example in the linked article, it was clear that there was an F2F element - doing something good together and having fun.

These kinds of 'positive' applications imo will be the pioneers. Being angry at a corporation is a 'negative' - it's no fun, and there is an element of revenge. These kind of applications will come, of course, but the carrotmobs et al will be proof-of-concept.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:40:41 PM EST
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This is disturbing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:13:08 PM EST
That's really the least of the moral/ethical issues facing those who eat at TGIFridays.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 12:31:30 PM EST
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The other issues being?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:44:43 PM EST
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Why Oil Really Fell Today--and Could Keep Falling

Oil slipped below $120 at one point today and now overall is down nearly 20 percent from its July high of near $150. But I don't think the drop had much to do with the usual suspects--a weak consumer spending report, less risk that Tropical Storm Edouard will smack the Gulf Coast--which will surely be mentioned in the financial pages tomorrow.

I think the drop had everything to do with reports this weekend that MIT chemist Daniel Nocera seems to have discovered a cheap--by a factor of 1,000--and easy way to separate hydrogen from water.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:27:21 PM EST
A technology that could be "out in the wild" in "about a decade" has pushed spot prices down to $118?

This theory brought to you by a blogger who see the future and it is "heroic capitalism..."

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:31:01 PM EST
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A linkto the article in Technology Review.   I don't know if further research is needed to replace the remaining platinum electrode at the hydrogen collection point, but I suspect so.  That is probably why they put in the 10 year figure. His oxygen catalyst is robust and brilliant.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:19:08 PM EST
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Expect prices to fall further as the election gets closer.

Again.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:03:19 PM EST
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Yes, driven down by an entirely different sort of technology.  Amazing but true.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:48:27 PM EST
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There actually is a basis for that in economic theory.

A lower price for a 'backstop technology' (e.g. hydrogen fuel cells to replace oil) to a resource can reduce the 'scarcity rent' incorporated in the current price. However, this only functions through an increase in current supply.

IOW: the futures market would be expecting supply to increase in the near future. I doubt that.

Decreased demand is probably the only reason.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:27:48 PM EST
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I was referring to the "magic of the markets."  Their efficiency operates on so many levels, including regard for political necessities.  This efficiency was not perfect in 2006, as the cheapest gas prices came in December through the following few months, fortunately at the time I had to move my family and our RV from LA to Arkansas.  It would have been much more efficient had the price reached its minimum on Oct. 1 and been back near a peak by December 1.  But at least it was down substantially by election day.  I think that was what TBG was referring to with his "Again."

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 06:04:17 PM EST
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Possible, but I guess that would involve considerable loss-taking -- and I'm not completely certain that it will really help McCain. Newt Gringrich's 'American Solutions', McCain, and the Republican party were doing quite a good job using the high oil prices to delude the electorate about manly-man red white and blue drilling.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 07:04:09 PM EST
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I don't know if the Saudis have been willing or able to do anything this time.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 10:38:52 PM EST
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Screwy Squirrel



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:33:23 PM EST
Should I spend a day in Frankfurt or Cologne on my way through Germany after Prague?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 01:57:30 PM EST
Depends what you like...

Personally I'd vote for Koeln.

Frankfurt has some nice spots, Altstadt etc. but not really better than Koeln. And Koeln has the Dom, Koelsch and the Rhine. There's usually some kind of event on down by the Rhine in summer, too.

Of course, if it's raining, you may prefer Frankfurt's set of museums... depends what you like...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:14:48 PM EST
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My thought was to get the overnight train from Prague to Frankfurt and then to travel onto Cologne during the day so I get to absorb some scenery along the way.  (trying to go by some of DoDo's suggestions in my earlier Prague/Europe diary).

So I either stay overnight in Frankfurt and spend a few hours in Cologne before getting the overnight to Paris or have a few hours in Frankfurt and then go to Cologne and stop overnight.  Or only visit Cologne.

Booking the trains this evening!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:19:30 PM EST
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Unless you feel the pull of say, the Goethe house or the Communications museum you can see most of what is to be seen in the centre of Frankfurt in around 3 hours or so I would say.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:01:43 PM EST
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I think that is my most likely option. I'd like to see the skyscrapers! Do you know if I'd be able to leave my backpack at the train station? lockers/left luggage?  

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:08:57 PM EST
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Yes, according to this they do have luggage lockers. (Actually, I knew that without checking; all large stations in Germany do. But this website is useful for checking if you are going to a much smaller station, which may not have them).
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:23:23 PM EST
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Ah thanks.  I found a traveller review that thought there were lockers, but thanks for confirming.  That makes all the difference! I can explore Frankfurt for a few hours without a huge backpack to drag about with me.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:25:26 PM EST
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There used to be both, but I haven't been there for a couple of years now. Google seems to indicate they are still there.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:25:46 PM EST
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I personally like Köln better. Wouldn't it make more sense to take a train to Köln instead of Frankfurt. From Frankfurt you would have to go back up again.

The question is also, which of the two cities offers a better connection to Paris. I personally would go to Köln, maybe Koblenz and then to Frankfurt, as my guess is, you have there a better connection to Paris.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 03:33:14 PM EST
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The train to Frankfurt/Cologne would be an overnighter so to get in some scenery I want to do a bit of daytime travel between the two.  There are things I want to see in Frankfurt as well as Cologne but Cologne is easier for  getting to Paris I think.

I seem to have figured out the itinery now. I'll arrive in Frankfurt early am, spend a few hours exploring after I dump my bag in a locker.  Go to Cologne and stay overnight, spend a day exploring and go to Paris late aft, and get the overnight to Toulouse.

Arrive all worn out at afew's!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:03:59 PM EST
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Sounds like quite a trip you are planing. When are you taking your train to Frankfurt?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:20:50 PM EST
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the 20.36 from Prague to Frankfurt. I hope I sleep ok because I will arrive at 6.54.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:23:10 PM EST
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On Monday night?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:28:37 PM EST
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Yes. arr Frankfurt tues, also go to Cologne tues pm. Cologne to Paris weds pm, arrive in toulouse thurs 21st am. :)

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:30:27 PM EST
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So we might be travelling a part of the way together after all. :-) I also take the 20:36, and as far as I know it passes through Frankfurt.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:35:04 PM EST
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lol! Probably not in the same part of the train but it will be good to travel to the station with you.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:41:49 PM EST
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Well, they do have a wagon restaurant!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:46:16 PM EST
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Hurrah!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 04:48:24 PM EST
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I suddenly pictured you in hockey uniform ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:02:19 PM EST
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ice hockey? I don't really do jolly hockey sticks.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:05:45 PM EST
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Hurrah!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Aug 5th, 2008 at 05:28:46 PM EST
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