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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:54:24 PM EST
Polish government approves missile deal - International Herald Tribune
Poland's government gave formal approval to a missile defense deal with the U.S. on Tuesday before a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the deputy prime minister said.

Grzegorz Schetyna said Prime Minister Donald Tusk's Cabinet signed off on the deal for Poland to host 10 missile interceptors at its regular weekly meeting.

It was the first of several steps required after negotiators last week reached an agreement following about 1 1/2 years of talks. The deal still needs parliamentary and presidential approval.

Those are expected to be formalities because both Tusk's Civic Platform party and the main opposition Law and Justice, linked to President Lech Kaczynski, support the deal.

Rice was due in Warsaw late Tuesday, and was to sign the deal alongside Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski and in the presence of Polish leaders on Wednesday morning.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:20:05 PM EST
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Some Democrats urge delay in building a U.S. missile system in Eastern Europe - International Herald Tribune
As the Bush administration speeds ahead with plans to construct a missile defense system in Eastern Europe, some Democrats in Congress want to put on the brakes, saying it has not been adequately tested.

Even before the agreement was reached, the Bush administration had proposed spending $712 million in the coming fiscal year to start digging silos in Poland; installing a related radar system in the Czech Republic, another former Soviet satellite that is now a NATO member; and buying initial parts for the first interceptor missiles.

But Democrats are now questioning all that spending as premature.

"Go ahead and move on with research and development," said Representative Ellen Tauscher, Democrat of California, who is chairwoman of the House subcommittee that oversees the missile defense program. "But as far as putting holes in the ground in Poland, we are saying no."



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 03:04:24 AM EST
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There is no R & D for installing a missile. This is a delaying tactic. Why?

Historically, stupidity in foreign policy has been bipartisan. What's going on here?

by afox (afox at rockgardener dott com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 08:42:21 AM EST
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There is, because the missiles don't actually work yet - except now and then, in very carefully controlled tests.

This is why the situation is such a farce. The missiles - as planned - don't work. They have no strategic value. If you launched ten of them at one rogue missile you might get a kill, if you were lucky.

If the silos were really an offensive option, that would be different. Bush certainly isn't claiming that's what they do, but that may or may not be true.

The Russians seem to believe they are offensive. So that's why we're having this fun.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:19:01 AM EST
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That they don't work seems to me to be beside the point. They've never worked, and that's since Ronald Reagan. They add a macabre aspect.

What's important is that people die defending the rights of missiles.

This war in Georgia began, in part, because of them.

by afox (afox at rockgardener dott com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:53:11 AM EST
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Thank you, Georgia.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:40:11 AM EST
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FT.com / World - German investor mood brightens
Investors' gloom over German economic prospects has lifted this month, with recession fears receding, according to a closely-watched survey.

The improvement in the Mannheim-based ZEW institute's economic sentiment indicator - by 8.4 points in August to minus 55.5 points - added to evidence that Europe's largest economy might be over the worst of the economic downturn. German gross domestic product had contracted by 0.5 per cent in the three months to June, figures showed last week.

Financial market experts "reckon with a weaker, but all-in-all a robust development and, rightly, do not fear a recession," said Wolfgang Franz, ZEW president. A technical recession is defined as two quarters of negative growth.

Optimism about Germany's growth prospects may have been boosted in the past few weeks falls in the euro and in oil prices. Unlike the US, the UK and Spain, Germany has not seen house prices soaring in recent years - and so is at no risk of a property market collapse. German industry also appears to have escaped largely unscathed from the effects of global financial turmoil.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:23:12 PM EST
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Europe is... oh, wait?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 06:04:36 AM EST
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FT.com / World - Resignation puts pressure on London mayor
Boris Johnson was accused of plunging the London mayoralty into "complete disarray" after his chief of staff resigned on Tuesday, becoming the third senior official to quit City Hall in three months.

Tim Parker, the former AA chief executive known as the "prince of darkness" by unions for his job-cutting record, stepped down as first deputy mayor and chief executive of the Greater London Authority. He will continue to advise Mr Johnson on transport policy.

Rival parties seized on the fact that Mr Parker was the second of six deputy mayors appointed by Mr Johnson to quit.

Hazel Blears, communities secretary, said: "To lose one deputy mayor might be regarded as a misfortune but to lose two looks like carelessness . . . the new Tory administration in London is in complete disarray."

Mr Parker, who started in his new role only six weeks ago, admitted to London's Evening Standard he was "obviously disappointed but also realistic".



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:32:12 PM EST
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To be perfectly honest, it's very difficult to pin this on boris. Although he "appointed" these people, there were largely selected by conservative central office without particularly referencing the requirements of the role into which they were parachuted. So there will necessarily be a bit of sorting out as skills are sorted to match.

Course that doesn't look good in the short term, but I think we really need a few months and a few policies to come to fruition or not) before we can judge Boris' mayoralty.

That said there are other things that are beginning to appear on the horizon that speak of his "leadership", but again, like western civilisation, it's too soon to tell.

btw I am not defending him, just that when he gets nailed I want it to stick.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:32:28 PM EST
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You could argue that it wasn't fair to blame Ken for NuLab's unpopularity. But that's why he was voted out, and Boris was voted in.

It's taken less than three months for the wheels to come off the Tory Boris Minor tricycle. It's too optimistic to hope that the electors will look at this and realise that the Tories are as useless as they ever were. But there might be more of a push towards a hung parliament where no party can do too much damage on its own.

Then again, probably not, and we'll just have the Dave and Boris Show repeated nationally.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:42:45 PM EST
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FT.com / Markets / European equities - Ireland's construction slump hits European stocks
A fresh wave of financial jitters put European markets under pressure yesterday, sending banks and insurers tumbling and leading the wider market sharply lower.

Fears for the financial health of US mortgage groups Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac combined with a prediction by Kenneth Rogoff, the former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund, that the worst of the financial crisis could lie ahead sparked the sell-off, which escalated after poor US inflation data.

Irish banks, which are heavily exposed to the country's sickly property market, were battered. Bank of Ireland fell 7.1 per cent to €5.46, Allied Irish Banks dropped 5.2 per cent to €8.13 and Anglo Irish Bank lost 5.6 per cent to €5.66. Irish cement maker CRH, which has been hit by a construction slowdown across Europe, slid 7 per cent to €17.01.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:36:01 PM EST
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http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=96262

Bulgaria Local Administration Discusses US Military Bases with US Officials
...Lieutenant General Gary D. Speer, the Acting Commanding General for the United States Army Europe and Seventh Army had a meeting Tuesday at the Novo Selo grounds with representatives from the municipal administrations of the cities of Yambol, Sliven and Bourgas.

Note that these are NOT NATO bases but USA bases.
You Europeans are a hell of the laughing stock. You are as powerless, arm twisted and practically occupied by USA as much as poor Bulgaria that does not have any choice.
Talking about Empire...
by vbo on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:00:11 PM EST
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1.  You, Europeans,
I though you were from Serbia, so you are a European and therefore you are talking about yourself when misplacing the anger from suffering.

2. poor Bulgaria that does not have any choice.
Bulgaria is responsible for itself and has all choices available, including being a member of the union, so that´s a false excuse for swinging the pendulum to the opposite extreme = USG.

Otherwise, I agree with you about European governments being shameful poodles for the USG and another of their bases in Europe is adding fuel to the fire.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 04:33:55 AM EST
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In her other comments she's very clear she's using the Europe = EU meaning.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:56:06 AM EST
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Yes I am talking about EU  and mostly about western Europeans because Easter Europeans are so depending on you in any single way (economically, military....etc) and somehow I don't blame them for being servile.
Look at the article. Look at this part:

One of the issues raised at the meeting by Hristina Cholakova, Governor of the Sliven Region was the lack of enough information among local residents regarding employment opportunities at the military grounds.

Yes I am talking about EU  and mostly about western Europeans because Easter Europeans are so depending on you in any single way (economically, military....etc) and somehow I don't blame them for being servile.
Look at the article. Look at this part:

Poor Bulgarians need to work. Their prostitutes are certainly going to be busy around those bases and they may be allowed to clean toilets for Halliburton for 5 Euros a day.
Recently I read on one Serbian discussion how some people spent their holiday in Bulgaria. It is horrific how they described it. Corruption is endemic...even worse then in poor Serbia. Not to mention that they are robbing tourists  where ever they can. This anecdote looks like a joke but it happened really. Man (foreigner-Serbian) was speeding in his car and policeman stopped him. Instead to serve him with a fine policeman asked for 5 Euros and he will not report it at all. Men did not hear him properly and gave him 50 Euros. Then policeman told him" I asked for 5 Euros, for this kind of money you can kill a man with your car and I'll look aside as I haven't seen it".
But western Europe is rich but still servile...that bothers me.

by vbo on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 08:08:36 PM EST
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Even as it seems that I have to explain it to everybody single, despite written word usually has the advantage of capability to be reread, here once more:

The eastern Europeans are the driving force with regard to Russia, not predominantly the US, and definitively they are not pushed to be more anti-Russian by anybody.

The dependency between western Europe and eastern Europe is not quite as single sided as you put it. Western Europeans have put huge amounts of money, prestige and ideology into the project of uniting Europe. There is a simple threshold - being member of the EU or not. Several eastern European states have passed this threshold. Now they are members of the EU and can prevent it from work or making any further progress.
Several eastern European states take the idea of Russian agression very seriously. They want the US defending them. Period. Anything unclear?
If western Europeans, who have all military power they need to defend themselves against whomever in the world, and so much economic power, that they donate the most of all to other countries and international organisations like the UN, say "Ami, GO HOME", the eastern Europeans will take the EU institutional hostage. Not that it is likely, that with politicians grown up during the cold war, western EU countries would do so, if there were no eastern Europeans, but to lay blame for the things you want to lay blame, you should lay your blame predominantly on eastern Europeans, who are MUCH happier with being US servants, than being the servants of western Europeans. I don't know why, but it is a fact. Seen Polish election campaings recently?

The decision about military bases, or for other current matters, the decision about rocket shields, are COMPLETELY national. I doubt, that any western European politician has got message of the Polish approval directly instead of via the press.

By the way, your interpretation of reality is as well not shared by everybody.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 08:55:53 PM EST
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Several eastern European states take the idea of Russian agression very seriously. They want the US defending them. Period. Anything unclear?

Yes, very clear, they exchanged one master for another one.

The dependency between western Europe and eastern Europe is not quite as single sided as you put it. Western Europeans have put huge amounts of money, prestige and ideology into the project of uniting Europe.

Don't say. And they did it purely because they are compassionate? Look who is the owner of everything worth having in Eastern Europe, not to mention that cheep labor and resources. C'mon. But yes Western Europe definitely had and nave an interest in Eastern Europe. But still Eastern Europe is simply DEPENDANT on West in a sense of survival.

If western Europeans, who have all military power they need to defend themselves against whomever in the world, and so much economic power, that they donate the most of all to other countries and international organisations like the UN,

Aren't you exaggerating a little bit? Wouldn't know where to start to answer this. I'll just say that USA seems not to see you that way.

you should lay your blame predominantly on eastern Europeans, who are MUCH happier with being US servants, than being the servants of western Europeans. I don't know why, but it is a fact. Seen Polish election campaings recently?

You are right about this one.It's pitiful...if not comic...

The decision about military bases, or for other current matters, the decision about rocket shields, are COMPLETELY national. I doubt, that any western European politician has got message of the Polish approval directly instead of via the press.

If that is so then EU is nothing but Economic Union.

By the way, your interpretation of reality is as well not shared by everybody.

Great!That's why I am here, to share different views.

by vbo on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 03:14:37 AM EST
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Look who is the owner of everything worth having in Eastern Europe,

Could you provide data supporting your claim?

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 03:58:08 AM EST
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It's hard to find statistic data here on Internet, let alone specific data. Maybe some of Eastern Europeans can help find out more.
I am talking from what I have heard. I may be wrong but I doubt it. Western banks are all over Serbia so I can imagine EU countries...
by vbo on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 08:46:17 AM EST
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I believe you anyhow. When one looks to current account deficits and surpluses, knows, that people around the world by boring EURO bonds, and some statistics about trade streams, it seems so.
But, maybe if you borrow 1000 $ from a bank, you are single sided dependent to the bank, if you borrow a billion $, the dependency is not any more that single sided, because the bank can't afford you to default.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 12:23:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The decision about military bases, or for other current matters, the decision about rocket shields, are COMPLETELY national. I doubt, that any western European politician has got message of the Polish approval directly instead of via the press.

If that is so then EU is nothing but Economic Union.

Right. The European Union consists of
  • the European Economic Community, which has a separate legal personality and can be summarised as a regulator for the Single European Market ensuring free movement of people, labour, goods, services and capital; it is managed by the European Commission and the European Council can act by qualified majority;
  • two additional "pillars" run from the European Council on the basis of unanimity, where the EU doesn't have legal personality: the "Common Foreign and Security Policy" and the "Police and Judicial Cooperation on Criminal Justice Matters".


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 at 05:06:37 AM EST
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I just found this:
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=96286

The income of the Bulgarian citizens is not simply the lowest in the European Union (EU), but lower than those of residents of countries outside the EU, such as Croatia.

The average salary in Bulgaria is twice lower than the average salary in Romania and almost 19 times lower than the one in Germany.
 

by vbo on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 08:12:02 PM EST
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Read discussion following this article.It's interesting. Americans vs Bulgarians.Looks like they don't like each other...
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=96286
by vbo on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 08:21:53 PM EST
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As has been pointed out countless times, each country makes its own arrangements about its military agreements. Any suggestion of attempting a common agreement on defence would be destroyed by the nationalist delusions of faded empires such as the UK and France. so we all go it alone.

Fact is, if we had an EU defence force, our leaders are so besotted on the neu-empire that the whole of europe would become Airstrip One instead of just being located in the UK.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 06:45:36 AM EST
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FT.com / World - UK tries to offload Typhoon fighters
Talks have been held with countries including Japan about offloading large numbers of Eurofighter Typhoons that the British Ministry of Defence has ordered but can no longer afford.

The talks, which officials say are at an early stage, underline the scale of the cash crisis facing the MoD as it grapples with an estimated budget deficit of £2bn.

The Royal Air Force, which had ordered 144 Eurofighters in two earlier contracts, is committed to buying another 88 as part of its membership of the Eurofighter consortium with Germany, Italy and Spain.

Severe financial penalties would be incurred for cancelling or cutting this number and the UK is sounding out potential buyers for all or part of its order.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:04:58 PM EST
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Maybe they should ask Geogia ;-)

I have often heard, that these fighters aren't sensible any more, as they are designed for cold war, not for nation building. Maybe there is a use for them afer all...

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:57:16 PM EST
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http://en.rian.ru/world/20080819/116138676.html

Russia shuns Baltic drills, refuses to receive U.S. ship...MOSCOW, August 19 (RIA Novosti) - Russia said on Tuesday it will not participate in the NATO-led Open Spirit 2008 naval exercise in the Baltic Sea, and will refuse to receive a U.S. warship in the Far East port of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
by vbo on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:31:39 PM EST
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France distorts Georgian peace plan at UN - Moscow
Russia's ambassador to the UN says a French resolution aimed at ending the crisis in the Caucasus does not entirely reflect the six principles agreed by all parties. Vitaly Churkin made his comments after the UN Security Council held emergency consultations on the situation in South Ossetia.

Churkin said Russia would not support the revised draft resolution tabled by France. He said he was "amazed" by what "French colleagues were trying to accomplish".

He said they'd been working actively and productively together for the past several days on a draft resolution which would provide the support of the Security Council for the six-principles announced by Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev and France's President Nicolas Sarkozy.

"Then all of a sudden they move to this piecemeal approach and put together this very strange resolution which distorts even those portions of the six principles they chose to take out of the general context, attaching some political strength to it," Churkin said.

Typical for Westerners. They promise everything when shit hits the fan and then later they take it all back.
So they promised that Kosovo will stay in Serbia with their UN resolution 1244 and look what happened...
This resolution 1244 said:

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,

But luckily Russians are not in a desperate situation like Serbia was and they don't give a shit to lying Europeans (USA colonies)
by vbo on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:05:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
by vbo on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 10:10:41 PM EST
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[ET Moderation Technology™]

If your point is that Europeans (whoever they are) or "Westerners" (whatever that means) are under US influence, is it so hard to say that without the insults?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 03:10:15 AM EST
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Yes my point is that Europe (meaning EU)is totally (humiliatingly) subordinate to USA  so that word "influence" wouldn't pass for me even when I am on my most diplomatic behavior. And yes I exposed EU & USA LIES but truth should not be insulting, ever. EU and USA ask Serbs and everyone else to face truth and then are not willing to face their own truth.

If my words are insulting to this small group of you who are trying to find ends of your countries politic I am sorry. But this is how I feel about EU after what we have seen lately. Your politicians are pitiful. I do not blame you for Kosovo or ex - YU any more. I do see you like slaves with no power or your own will to actually dictate anything. Why I refer to all of you (EU and USA) as westerners is because of the fact that it looks like your interest goes along with USA no matter that you are only allowed to get "crumbs from their table". But simply you don't have a choice but to be "colony" because of the historic circumstances. EU is not homogenous mass and I don't see how for the sake of God even if you all want to do it, you would tell USA military at least : "Thank you and goodbye, Yankees go home". And make your own security forces and foreign politic. Ah...I should stop dreaming...not in my life time.
I had a friend who used to say : "If you mix your self with shit , pigs are going to eat you"...Maybe the point is lost in translation but you Europeans (EU) are in a bad company...do not expect anything good to come from it.

by vbo on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 04:52:26 AM EST
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The thing that is difficult to understand is that you seem to be under the belief that we here are in favour of the EU's servitude to the USG. A cursory glance at most of our discussions would reveal the opposite.

Not anti-US, but exasperated that european interests are too often sacrificed on behalf of a destructive and self-absorbed superpower. One that, far from having little or no concern for our economic well-being, sees us as a competitor and seeks to sabotage our efforts to improve our lot. That you believe we support our elites in their co-operation with this masochism is galling to say the least.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 06:40:26 AM EST
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No, no, you are wrong. I already said that most of you people here on ET are trying hard to oppose these policies of your elite. I am talking to (hopefully) broader readers of ET...and am sometimes trying to take your attention to wrong doing of your elite that sometimes is not that much visible...I may sound unkind sometimes but it's because of my language limitations and different culture cause we articulate our selves differently...sorry
by vbo on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:24:43 AM EST
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Revealed: the massive scale of UK's water consumption | Environment | The Guardian

The scale of British water consumption and its impact around the world is revealed in a new report today, which warns of the hidden levels needed to produce food and clothing.

The UK has become the sixth largest net importer of water in the world, the environment group WWF will tell a meeting of international experts in Stockholm, with every consumer indirectly responsible for the use of thousands of litres a day. Only 38% of the UK's total water use comes from its own resources; the rest depends on the water systems of other countries, some of which are already facing serious shortages.

The study makes the first attempt to measure the UK's total "water footprint" and highlights the extent to which our imports come from countries which are running out of fresh water. It calculates that:

· Average household water use for washing and drinking in the UK is about 150 litres a person daily, but we consume about 30 times as much in "virtual water", used in the production of imported food and textiles;

· Taking virtual water into account, each of us soaks up 4,645 litres a day;



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 03:21:29 AM EST
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This is like Spain's ecological footprint, where imported consumer goods make up 40% of the footprint and without which Spain might actually be sustainable.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:50:26 AM EST
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Apologies if this is old news...

EUobserver: EU keeps ticking without Lisbon treaty, report says (08.08.2008)

Europe continues to work without the Lisbon treaty and the demise of the document would not be a catastrophe for the bloc, an influential think tank has said.

In an assessment of Ireland's referendum rejection of the EU treaty published on Thursday (7 August), the London-based Centre for European Reform concludes that "Europe works fairly well in many areas with the current treaties."

It notes that the 27-nation bloc continues to achieve results and "integrate" using intergovernmental bodies such as the European Defence Agency and through new laws such as those on liberalising the energy market in Europe or the Emissions Trading Scheme.

That "Europe continues to work" as it has for the past 6 years should only come as a shock to Eurosceptics anyway...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:31:00 AM EST
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Why is it I get a baaaad feeling these days when I read the words "influential think tank"?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 06:00:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
me too, kinda like 'rogue cancer cell'...

now, 'free radical' has a friendly sound, but alas, they're bad guys too...

oh well

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:41:56 AM EST
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M. Borloo veut généraliser le "bonus-malus" écologique

Fort du succès du bonus-malus automobile, le ministre de l'écologie, Jean-Louis Borloo, a proposé à Nicolas Sarkozy l'extension de ce mécanisme à une vingtaine de familles de produits. Téléviseurs, ordinateurs, congélateurs, pneus, ampoules électriques feraient partie de la liste des produits concernés, encore tenue secrète par le ministère du développement durable pour éviter que les consommateurs réorientent leurs achats avant la mise en place de la mesure.

(...)

Les Français ont plébiscité le bonus-malus automobile, entraînant une progression de 45 % des ventes de véhicules consommant moins de 130 grammes de CO2 par kilomètre (le bonus versé par l'Etat peut aller jusqu'à 5 000 euros à l'achat du véhicule, le malus prélevé par l'Etat jusqu'à 2 600 euros). En huit mois, ce mécanisme a dépassé tous les pronostics : "On a abaissé de 8 grammes de CO2 la consommation automobile des nouveaux véhicules achetés, soit une réduction de 9 % de la consommation de carbone, mieux que l'objectif européen sur 2012-2020 !", calcule Jean-Louis Borloo. "Nous sommes en train d'inventer un nouveau modèle économique où le prix du marché ne rémunère plus seulement le capital ou le travail, mais aussi le capital nature", s'enthousiasme le ministre de l'écologie.

Introducing a rebate/fee system for new cars depending on their CO2 emissions has led to a massive change in buying patterns. Cars bought in 2008 have 9% lower average carbon emissions than those bought in 2007.

The intent is to lower the thresqhhold each year, to ensure continued progress, and to use the same system for other classes of goods. Sounds good to me.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:02:23 AM EST
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WORLD

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:54:37 PM EST
NATO freezes Russian ties over Georgia | U.S. | Reuters

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO agreed after U.S. pressure on Tuesday to freeze regular contacts with Russia until Moscow had withdrawn its troops from Georgia in line with a peace deal.

The alliance also agreed to upgrade contacts with Tbilisi but stopped short of accelerating its efforts to join NATO, an ambition which had enraged Russia even before the two-week-old conflict over Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia region.

"We have determined that we cannot continue with business as usual," the 26 NATO states said in a joint declaration issued after emergency talks in Brussels.

The statement did not explicitly refer to a U.S. demand to suspend contacts within the six-year-old NATO-Russia Council (NRC), but NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said it was clear such contacts could not take place at present.

"As long as Russian forces are basically occupying a large part of Georgia I cannot see a NATO-Russia Council convening at whatever level," he told a news conference.




When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:56:33 PM EST
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The Associated Press: NATO pulls its punches on penalty against Russia

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- NATO pulled its punches against Russia on Tuesday, suspending formal contacts as punishment for the Georgia invasion but bucking U.S. pressure for more severe penalties.

The Russian Ambassador to NATO played down the impact of the emergency meeting of the Western alliance.

"The mountain gave birth to a mouse," said Dmitry Rogozin.

Although the allies said they would not convene any more meetings of the NATO-Russia Council until Russian troops withdraw from Georgia, they bowed to concerns from Europe -- which depends heavily on Russia for energy -- and stopped short of adopting specific long-term steps to punish Moscow for its actions.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:57:53 PM EST
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The equivalent of sending a memo of concern. I hope this is a slightly belated recognition of the reality of the situation.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:35:17 PM EST
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It's spun differently according to the source. Note the difference here between Reuters and AP.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:40:51 PM EST
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NATO foreign ministers warn Russia to withdraw from Georgia - International Herald Tribune

BRUSSELS: After emergency talks here, NATO foreign ministers on Tuesday urged Russia to pull its troops immediately out of Georgia, saying there could be no "business as usual" between the alliance and the Kremlin until it withdraws.

After the meeting, NATO announced a new commission between the alliance and Georgia, intended to strengthen the country's ties with the organization.

The warning for Russia to withdraw came after days of mounting frustration among alliance nations at Russian defiance over its military action in Georgia.

Russia signed a French-brokered cease-fire, but Moscow has failed since then to remove its troops from key areas, despite promises that it would.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:57:17 PM EST
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AFP: Russia isolating itself over Georgia: Rice

BRUSSELS (AFP) -- US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice warned Russia Tuesday it was isolating itself from the international community with its behaviour in Georgia.

"The behaviour of Russia in this most recent conflict is isolating Russia from the principles of cooperation among nations," Rice told a news conference after an emergency meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Brussels.

"When you start invading smaller neighbours, bombing civilian infrastructure, going into villages and wreaking havoc and (carrying out) the wanton destruction of (its) infrastructure, that is isolating.

"It is not an act of the United States or the European Union or anyone else to isolate Russia, it is what Russia is doing," she said.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:58:38 PM EST
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FT.com / Comment & analysis / Editorial comment - A bully's deserts

When the foreign ministers of the Nato allies meet in emergency session to consider the situation in Brussels today, they need to find a robust and united response. It is essential that Moscow gets the message that its use of massive military force against an independent country on its border is not without consequences.

For a start, it would be quite wrong for Nato to back away from its promise that full membership is on offer to both Georgia and Ukraine. Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, who opposed granting them both formal membership action plans at the Nato summit in Bucharest in April - at least in part for fear of infuriating Russia - rightly stated in Tbilisi at the weekend: "We are on a clear path in the direction of Nato membership." Georgia also deserves massive help for refugees and reconstruction.

Georgia and Ukraine have every right to choose the international organisations to which they wish to belong. So has Russia. But Mr Medvedev, and his mentor Vladimir Putin, should realise that they must abide by the rules and the values of such organisations, as must the Georgians and Ukrainians.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:24:34 PM EST
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Nato tells Russia: no "new line" in Europe

Nato warned Russia on Tuesday that it could not draw a "new line" in Europe preventing Georgia and other countries from joining the western military alliance if they wished to do so.

Meeting in emergency session in Brussels, the western military alliance's 26 foreign ministers also suspended regular top-level ties with Russia, saying that "business as usual" could not continue while Russian troops remained in Georgia.

(...)

Ms Rice said the US - and Nato - had no desire to isolate Russia. But she added that Russia's incursion into Georgia and the bombing of civilian targets was isolating Russia from the world. "There can be no business as usual with Russia while this kind of activity goes on," she said.

I presume she said that with a straight face.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 05:20:14 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - Europe - Russia: Nato aids 'criminal regime'

Russia has accused Nato of trying to "whitewash a criminal regime" in Tbilisi and seeking to rearm Georgia's leaders.

Lavrov's remarks followed a meeting in Brussels of Nato foreign ministers on Tuesday in which they warned there could be "no business as usual" with Russia, and called for the immediate withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia.

Sergei Lavrov, Russia's foreign minister, said: "Nato is trying to make a victim of an aggressor and whitewash a criminal regime - save a collapsing regime - and is taking a path to the rearmament of the current leaders in Georgia."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 02:59:37 PM EST
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Billmon discussed this on dKos

And so, with an absolute minimum of democratic process, the United States of America committed its full prestige and power (if not, just yet, a legally binding guarantee) to the defense of the two former Soviet republics, even though the Russians have repeatedly stated that they regard NATO membership by either country as a direct threat to their own vital security interests. As others have already noted, this is as if China had unilaterally announced a military alliance with Mexico and Cuba. Actually it's worse: Imagine the US reaction if China announced a military alliance with Mexico, after which the president of Mexico started dropping public hints about taking New Mexico back - by whatever means necessary. (And if that comparison seems unnecessarily paranoid, consider the history of Russia in the 20th century. Even paranoids have real enemies.)

[......]

The Russians also reacted. Just a few days after the NATO Freedom Consolidation Act was introduced in the Senate, President Putin gave a speech in Munich that was widely reported as his harshest attack to date on America for its allegedly aggressive and hegemonic designs. The New York Times and US government officials (which is a somewhat redundant expression) both professed shock over Putin's language - without once mentioning the congressional provocation that triggered it.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:43:13 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - French troops die in Afghan battles

Ten French Nato troops have been killed in battles with Taliban fighters near Kabul, the Afghan capital, officials said.

The deaths on Tuesday resulted from fierce clashes that had started on Monday when an International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) patrol was attacked in the Sarobi district, located about 50km east of the capital.

Most of the 3,000 French troops part of the 40-nation Nato-led Isaf force are in Kabul province, which includes Sarobi, and also Kapisa province, northeast of the capital.

Around 21 soldiers were also wounded in the battles.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:00:38 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Taleban grow more brazen

It is one of the largest losses of life in Nato's Afghan campaign and a huge blow to a French deployment which is already unpopular at home.

There are reports of 100 insurgents attacking the convoy, of troops being captured and then killed.

What happened in that valley could have a significant impact on the French mission, so much so that President Nicolas Sarkozy is flying straight to Kabul to settle nerves and offer support.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:01:03 PM EST
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August 18: indepence day celebrations in Afghanistan.

On August 19, 1919, following the third Anglo-Afghan war, the country regained full independence from the United Kingdom over its foreign affairs.

This is hardly noticed in our western press. But there where ceremonies in several places.

Of course, the Taleban and other opposition forces? were well aware of that fact and would not let pass this date unnoticed.

They had a partial succes with the ambush on the French soldiers, but their rocket attack on Kabul airfield failed and another attack on a American base failed in a spectacular way.(Suicide bombers attack US base in Afghanistan)

Total casualties so far this month among western military is 31. Impossible to know how much Afghani's died, there were also casualties among civil NGO personnel, from various nationalities.

Aaaaarrrgghhhh.......and now Sarkozy is on his way to Kabul........

 

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)

by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:39:48 PM EST
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oops.... 32 casualties among western military...
Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Military Operations | Corporal Barry Dempsey killed in Afghanistan
It is with great sadness that the Ministry of Defence must confirm the death of Corporal Barry Dempsey from The Royal Highland Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion Royal Regiment of Scotland, who was killed in Afghanistan on Monday 18 August 2008.


The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)
by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 06:41:42 PM EST
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Hypothetically if I were Russian, and NATO had decided that it wanted a proxy war (sic), I'd be considering working out some sort of a deal with the Taleban.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:58:33 PM EST
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It worked for Charlie Wilson and the CIA.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 12:12:06 AM EST
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10 Weeks of Hell: Afghanistan Death Rate Exceeding Highest of Iraq War
by: Brandon Friedman

Afghanistan is now deadlier than Iraq ever was.

When the Iraq War reached its deadliest peak during a 10-week period in April, May, and June of 2007, 308 coalition troops died.  That was 1 out of every 575 troops on the ground at the time.*  It was a terrible period in which even the most die-hard Bush supporters began to question the sense in continuing the occupation.   By contrast, 105 coalition troops have died in Afghanistan during the past 10 weeks.  But because there are only 52,700 troops in Afghanistan, this represents 1 out of every 502 troops on the ground.

The war in Iraq--at its most violent peak--was never as dangerous for our troops as Afghanistan now is.  In the past 10 weeks, three American soldiers have been captured, killed, and chopped up.  Nine American soldiers were killed in a single instance when their outpost was overrun by Taliban militants.  And today, the violence only intensified: 10 French soldiers were slaughtered in an ambush, with four of being captured and subsequently executed.  Around the same time, Afghan insurgents launched a coordinated attack on a major U.S. base.

The fatality rate in Afghanistan during the past 10 weeks would be equivalent to 353 deaths in Iraq at the same time--a rate not even seen during the bloody crescendo of 2007.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:25:32 AM EST
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French military presence in Afghanistan was almost forgotten by most French people, because:
  • it's been there since 2001 and the fall of the Taleban regime.
  • it's low-profile, mostly in regions away from the more intense fighting areas: their focus is on training the Afghan military, not combat missions proper.
  • very little casualties so far, mostly from accidents, nothing comparable to the US death toll.

Today is a painful reminder that this is, well, war, and people do actually die.

Earlier this year, GWB asked the Europeans to "pull more weight" in Afghanistan, and our president was happy to oblige. This was a PR operation for him and no one in the French public really paid much attention, until now...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:42:40 PM EST
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What is the general sentiment within France regarding Afghanistan?  Is this type of loss deemed acceptable or are most people on the ground really not excited about French involvement in this conflict?
by paving on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 05:00:20 PM EST
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is massively hostile. The army is massively hostile. Basically, this is Sarkozy vs everybody else.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 05:20:57 PM EST
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says that we have to "continue the fight against terrorism"

http://www.lemonde.fr/asie-pacifique/article/2008/08/19/paris-n-entend-pas-diminuer-l-effort-francai s-en-afghanistan_1085604_3216.html#ens_id=1049814

I feel so much safer now.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 05:30:45 PM EST
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c'est l'honneur de la France

Klingons fight, you know; everthing else is cowardish.

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 05:39:03 PM EST
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<BLOCKQUOTE"La cause est juste, c'est l'honneur de la France et de ses armées de la défendre",</BLOCKQUOTE>
It would seem that Sarko is a little short on stature to be playing De Gaule.  How long will he get away with this?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 09:23:58 PM EST
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George Monbiot: The US missile defence system is the magic pudding that will never run out | Comment is free | The Guardian

It's a novel way to take your own life. Just as Russia demonstrates what happens to former minions that annoy it, Poland agrees to host a US missile defence base. The Russians, as Poland expected, respond to this proposal by offering to turn the country into a parking lot. This proves that the missile defence system is necessary after all: it will stop the missiles Russia will now aim at Poland, the Czech Republic and the UK in response to, er, their involvement in the missile defence system.

The American government insists that the interceptors, which will be stationed on the Baltic coast, have nothing to do with Russia: their purpose is to defend Europe and the US against the intercontinental ballistic missiles Iran and North Korea don't possess. This is why they are being placed in Poland, which, as every geography student in Texas knows, shares a border with both rogue states.

They permit us to look forward to a glowing future, in which missile defence, according to the Pentagon, will "protect our homeland ... and our friends and allies from ballistic missile attack"; as long as the Russians wait until it's working before they nuke us. The good news is that, at the present rate of progress, reliable missile defence is only 50 years away. The bad news is that it has been 50 years away for the past six decades.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:12:02 PM EST
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more gems

US politics, because of the failure by both Republicans and Democrats to deal with the problems of campaign finance, is rotten from head to toe. But under Bush, the corruption has acquired Nigerian qualities.

(...)

If we seek to understand American foreign policy in terms of a rational engagement with international problems, or even as an effective means of projecting power, we are looking in the wrong place. The government's interests have always been provincial. It seeks to appease lobbyists, shift public opinion at crucial stages of the political cycle, accommodate crazy Christian fantasies and pander to television companies run by eccentric billionaires.



"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."
by poemless on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:31:33 PM EST
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Source?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:59:23 PM EST
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From the same George Monbiot piece I quoted from in the parent comment.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:12:52 PM EST
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Of course not from a US journalist. What were you thinking?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:45:56 PM EST
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It's good stuff, but I think that he could just as easily have written it about BAe's influence over the British Government.

Corruption of Nigerian proportions ? No, ours is worse, it's of Saudi proportions.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:46:51 PM EST
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West Wing: Learning from Kennedy - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

These days Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is often compared -- unfairly -- with Stalin and Hitler. In truth, Putin is a Russian Kennedy. And Putin's Cuba is called Georgia.

Russia's invasion of Georgia has brought lovers of historical comparisons out of the woodwork. Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, for one, compared Vladimir Putin with Hitler. And former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski felt reminded of Stalin's treatment of Finland.

But these analogies have more to say about the West's mood than about Putin. Although it may sound bold at first, and although the Americans won't like hearing it, the Vladimir Putin the world has experienced in recent days bears the strongest resemblance to former US President John F. Kennedy in the years 1961 and 1962.

First, the youthful Kennedy was seen as the embodiment of a new America, just as the wiry Putin represents Russia's revival. Kennedy was and Putin is deeply popular among his own citizens.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:25:58 PM EST
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Both are quite dashing too! ;)

I recently read a very succinct response to the comparison of Putin to Hitler and Stalin:

It's not fair to the millions who actually perished at the hands of Hitler and Stalin.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:39:14 PM EST
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But the comforting message for Russians and Americans alike is this: The two nations are not as different as they would like to think. They think similarly, they act similarly and they even speak the same language -- namely that of power politics.

Tochno.

"This is nothing compared to how Putin rigged Eurovision."

by poemless on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 03:44:07 PM EST
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The difference being that the Russians do not forget to have actual power available before they attempt action.  Power politics without power is as vacant as the space between GWBs ears.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:02:43 PM EST
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They don't always do that well, see Afghanistan and Tchechnya.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:14:40 PM EST
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Pfooey, Chechnya.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:28:00 PM EST
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Well, at least they had power to apply.  In Afganistan things seemed to go well at first.  Getting the officers in the Afgan army drunk on the eve of invasion and locking them up, if that indeed occurred, showed a bit of guile.

I am no fan of imperial adventures by anyone.  It is still possible, however, to play the game intelligently if it is to be played.  GWB, over the course of his presidency, is the most spectacular failure in that regard that I can recall.  Well, maybe Napoleon III?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 05:55:23 PM EST
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Bloomberg.com: Worldwide
U.S. builders broke ground on the fewest new homes in 17 years and producer prices climbed the most since 1981, providing no sign of an economic recovery or easing inflation.

Housing starts fell 11 percent in July to an annual rate of 965,000, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. The Labor Department reported the producer price index jumped 9.8 percent from a year before.

Compared with July 2007, work began on 30 percent fewer homes. Building permits, a sign of future construction, also fell in July, the Commerce Department reported. They were down 18 percent to a 937,000 annual pace.

Starts were projected to fall to a 960,000 annual pace, according to the median forecast of 77 economists polled by Bloomberg News. The median estimate for permits was 970,000.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:04:18 PM EST
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US population was 250M, as opposed to 300+M today, which means that the housing starts rate is even worse than it looks.

It's at 3.2/1000pop vs 3.8 back then.
Apparently the UK is at 1.6/1000 and California at 1.9/1000

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 05:28:14 AM EST
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Renewable energy could electrify California economy and job market, report says

By Margot Roosevelt and Tami Abdollah, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers   August 19, 2008

If California requires its utilities to get one-third of their energy from solar, wind, geothermal and other renewable sources rather than coal or gas, will that help or hurt the state economically?

A struggle is underway to influence public opinion, with business interests saying it would cost consumers in higher electric bills, and environmental groups touting the jobs that clean-tech industry would bring to the state.

A report, "Harvesting California's Renewable Energy Resources: A Green Jobs Business Plan," was released Friday by the Center for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Technologies, a Sacramento-based nonprofit.

It surveys major studies and concludes that if California gets a third of its power from renewable sources by 2020, as pending legislation would require, as much as $60 billion would be pumped into the state economy. Manufacturing could increase by 200,000 jobs.

California is requiring utilities to reach 20% renewable energy by 2010.

But the Air Resources Board says that is not enough to reduce the state's greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels, as the law requires.

There are some interesting links in the linked article.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Tue Aug 19th, 2008 at 04:08:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
about effing time...

there is no populist downside to making this centre platform for any pol, if obama would pump harder for this, he'll take mccain.

the mark of cain indeed... cut that rapture talk...

hell, it should be completely beyond partisan considerations, do you ask a drowning child its political affiliations before throwing a rope?

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Aug 20th, 2008 at 09:37:19 AM EST
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NATO can't agree on sanctions against Russia

    * Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008
By Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers

BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO declared Tuesday that it cannot have normal relations with Russia while its troops occupy large parts of Georgia, but alliance foreign ministers failed to terminate any cooperative programs.

The outcome of the emergency session called by the Bush administration indicated continuing divisions within the 26-nation even as Moscow has failed to withdraw its forces under a French-brokered ceasefire agreement.

Russia's representative to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, made light of the western alliance's indecision. "The mountain gave birth to a mouse," he told reporters.

-Skip-

The foreign ministers affirmed NATO's opposition to any resolution to the conflict that would allow South Ossetia and another pro-Moscow rebel province, Abkhazia, to secede and join Russia, as the enclave leaders are demanding.

"A peaceful and lasting solution . . . must be "based on full respect for the principles of Georgia