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by Fran
Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:08:10 AM EST

Here it is the weather for dancing in the rain...


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Rain, rain, rain, and the river is rising. But great for working through paperpiles and doing other projects. That is, when I do not use ET to procrastinate. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:09:52 AM EST
Looks like we've got isolated t-storms today here.  Better than being in Galveston or Houston, though, I guess.  Going down to an art festival in a few.  Hopefully the skies hold.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:13:13 AM EST
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Rain here too expected later today.  Hurricane Ike will push up north into the midwest and they expect we will be deluged.  

But right now it's just partly cloudy.

by Maryb2004 on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:32:14 AM EST
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Rain, rain... is this a secret hint that you're a follower of Wovoka?
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:56:19 AM EST
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Pssssttttt!!! not so loud! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:57:43 AM EST
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God, I try to imagine what i might have achieved if I wasn't totally distracted by surfing the net. I'd definitley have had a good stab at learning a couple of languages and read a few books.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:16:35 AM EST
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Yes, I know what you mean. We even could have used the time to write our own books!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:14:07 PM EST
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We even could have used the time to write our own books!

So saving all that printing, ET's proving amazingly eco-friendly. ;-)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:19:57 PM EST
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We've had one of the most gorgeous days all summer here. I took two Torchwood fans to Southerndown beach (actually it was Doctor Who that was filmed there - as Bad Wolf Bay).  But we have had a great day on the beach and walking along the cliffs.  Photos will be posted tomorrow since we are going out to dinner later.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:52:23 PM EST
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Despite having downloaded the new version of Mozilla, starting to have the same problem again, of not being able to access ET. It started this afternoon. Is that because Colman is back?! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:13:04 AM EST
Ha, while I was writing my comment on IE, ET came back on Mozilla too. Hope this will not continue, like with the old version.

I also observed a new phenomenon with the new version. It sends me almost every day the message that the copy sidebar is full, but when I check at times there are maybe only 5 or 6 copies I made. Not a problem, but that did not happen with the old version.

And a question, when emptying the copy side bar I also found that there is a ET toolbar, what is that about?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:16:16 AM EST
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Earlier today I was in the middle of composing a comment (like right now) and my Firefox just winked out, I was back on my desktop, and I had to start again.  Does this kind of crap happen to others, and can someone like Colman DO that kind of shit ... to MY LAPTOP?!

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:19:52 AM EST
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Well, Colman seems to have mysterious powers.

But seriously, I have mozilla crashing from time to time too, even the new version, though not as often anymore as the old on.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:24:35 AM EST
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And included in your term "crashing" is this winking out phenomenon?  I've never seen that before.

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:33:54 AM EST
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Fran and Twank: after having recommended Firefox 3, I've also encountered sudden, inexplicable 'hangs' using the new version.

Haven't understood, yet, what's causing them but, since they appear common, I suspect they're software-related.

As for you, Fran, toutes mes excuses if I lured you into a new set of problems! I'm at a loss to help you with specific ET-related issues, but it might be an idea to go back to v2 for the time being.

Ouf, the headaches. If only this stuff would have the good sense to work properly :-/

by Loefing on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:45:49 AM EST
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No need to appologize, Loefing!!! despite the weaknesses of Firefox 3, it still works better than the old version. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:09:19 PM EST
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Pleased to know! I was beginning to feel sorry for having recommended v3, thinking of you in particular.
by Loefing on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:14:55 PM EST
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Two days late, but I didn't notice this in the Salon...

RIA Novosti: Abkhazia seeks to join CIS, Russia-Belarus Union State (11/09/2008)

Georgia's breakaway republic of Abkhazia is seeking to join the CIS and the Russia-Belarus Union State, the republic's president said on Thursday.

The CIS, the Commonwealth of Independent States, is an alliance of ex-Soviet states.

Russia recognized the independence of Georgia's breakaway provinces of Abkhazia and South Ossetia on August 26, two weeks after it had expelled Georgian troops from the region following Tbilisi's August 8 offensive against South Ossetia.



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:33:04 AM EST
Well, hardly the most shocking development all things considered.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:17:03 AM EST
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Also, Georgia served notice that it is leaving the CIS on August 18 - it will become effective after a year. Ukraine never ratified the founding treaty even though it negotiated it along with Russia and Belarus.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:20:52 AM EST
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I just posted a new diary for Friday's meetup. Could everyone who's coming verify and comment on the menu I proposed. Thanks.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:32:07 AM EST
Link.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:33:00 AM EST
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Could everyone who's coming Friday comment either here or in the diary if they are in agreement that I negotiate a fixed price menu including soup salad and wine?

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:21:33 PM EST
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And water! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:23:34 PM EST
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And two hard-boiled eggs!

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:30:40 PM EST
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This sounds like a repeat :-)

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:32:13 PM EST
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(honk)

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:29:15 PM EST
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Make it three...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:32:06 PM EST
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You and me. We'll share a bottle of bubbly water.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:31:03 PM EST
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Love too! Thanks - put please choose a good year! :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:32:16 PM EST
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Better make sure the bottle comes from the south slope of the vineyard. ;-)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:23:36 PM EST
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Yea, I'm cool, but I may have a beer or two as well.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:23:01 PM EST
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I posted this on the Final Mouffetard diary and I'll post it here as well. For 20 euros we'll have soupe, a large salad, quart de vin, dessert and coffee. Pretty reasonable.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:27:32 PM EST
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One more question - the salad will it be vegetable salad or the kind with pasta and other stuff?

If it is vegetable only and no meat and pasta, it's fine with me. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:35:25 PM EST
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I think they'll make whatever you want.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:59:24 PM EST
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If you read this past dialogue (multilogue ?) you'd think you were listening to a bunch of Hobbits!

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:17:36 PM EST
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Just found-out two people-I-know will be in Paris for two weeks, arriving Monday (15).  They are not ETers (as far as I know) so won't be at the Meet-Up.

I know they want to find Morrison's grave, visit used bookstores, go to a flea market they've heard about, hit as many museums as they can, and whatnot.  

No pressure, but if anyone wants to play "Trusty Native Guide" for a couple of Murikans -  here's an opportunity.  I would, of course, reciprocate should the situation arise.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:51:38 PM EST
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I won't be in Paris this week until the meetup. If they're here until Sunday tell them to avoid the flea market at Porte de Clignancourt (the famous one) which has become very commercial and looks like a U.S. shopping mall (slight exaggeration) and go on Sunday to the flea market (puce in French) at the Porte de Montreuill. That should be much more authentic although I haven't been in 17 years.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:06:26 PM EST
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The flea market they want to visit has stalls run by Nigerian and other French-speaking African nationalities.  
I don't know the name, don't know where it is, how good it is, how expensive it is ....

In fact, the sum total of my ignorance would crush a mountain.  

Paris is in Greece, isn't it?

:-)

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:18:33 PM EST
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They probably want to go to the commercial one.

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:27:44 PM EST
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You should tell them to have a look at ET, so they know what kind of people they're gonna meet...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:08:02 PM EST
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Well, they know me.  So all the rest of you are tainted by my presence.  

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:20:20 PM EST
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To make it clear:  they are not going to the Meet-Up.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:21:16 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Alitalia 'running out of fuel'
Italy's national airline, Alitalia, may have to cancel some flights because of a lack of funds to buy fuel, a top official has warned.

Augusto Fantozzi, Alitalia's bankruptcy administrator, made the comments as he called unions to emergency talks a day after the latest session broke down.

The unions earlier quoted him as saying flights could not be "guaranteed" because we cannot "get fuel".

Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi blamed "political" motives for the failure.

He said he would do all he could to save Alitalia from collapse.

"The executive is always ready... to give all the possible support to get to the only solution possible to avoid the airline going bust," he said.

Alitalia later issued a note it said was sent by Mr Fantozzi, which said: "There are difficulties relating to the supply of fuel which could put some flights at risk," Reuters news agency said.

Italian investment consortium CAI, which was poised to take over the company's profitable parts, walked away from talks with the unions on Friday, accusing them of intransigence.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 11:51:17 AM EST
At 15:27, Ansa dispatch, Fantozzi said that on Monday he would take steps to extend bankruptcy administration to the entire company and its holdings.

At 16:24, Berlusconi accused the Left of being behind the "unreasonable" behavior of the unions.

No comment. We said he would say that four months ago.

At 18:21 Alitalia suspended the sale of flight tickets.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 12:49:48 PM EST
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and we knew how the blame game would go. I would still expect a few people in Milan abd Rome to be unhappy with B...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 01:03:46 PM EST
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Melanchthon:
Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi blamed "political" motives for the failure.

yup....his...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 01:17:17 AM EST
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I'm sure Fran will feature this in Salon but...

Los Angeles train crash kills 18

At least 18 people have died and 135 have been hurt in a head-on collision between a passenger train and a freight train near Los Angeles.

[....]

The Metrolink passenger train was travelling from Los Angeles to Moorpark, north-west of the city, a spokeswoman said.

It collided with a Union Pacific freight train on a curving stretch of track in Chatsworth, in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles county.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:11:47 PM EST
Needlenose » Blog Archive » Taking the Mountain to ...
Taking the Mountain to ... September 12th, 2008 | by fubar |

Via CBC:

A Quebec businessman whose name is one of the many that have erroneously landed on the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's flight passenger watch list has decided to change his name to avoid lengthy security hassles at the airport.

Mario Labbé, an executive with a Montreal-based record company, says his Canadian passport triggers a red alert on the computers of U.S. customs agents every time he tries to board a flight to the U.S. -- which is about once a month for the past seven years.
...
Although Labbé wrote letters to the U.S. department, his efforts were in vain, prompting him to legally change his name.

"So now, my official name is François Mario Labbé," he said.

"Then you have to change everything: driver's license, social insurance, medicare, credit card -- everything."

Although it's not a big change from Mario Labbé, he said it's been enough to foil the U.S. customs computers.

It turns out that terrorists aren't allowed to legally change their name, so I guess we can consider that security hole firmly plugged.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:04:29 PM EST
of you who live in France? This is from an article by Stephen Erlanger (no idea what the percentages mean - they sure don't add up to 100):

'In a poll last month by the firm CSA, 49 percent of respondents said Mr. Besancenot was currently Mr. Sarkozy's leading opponent, behind the Socialist mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delanoë (54 percent), but ahead of other Socialists like Martine Aubry (36 percent) and Ms. Royal (32 percent).

'Mr. Besancenot is a postman, a member of the working class, who delivers the mail part time in the wealthy Parisian suburb of Neuilly-sur-Seine.

'But he is also the leader of the Communist Revolutionary League, and in a long interview here, in party offices above a printing factory in this racially mixed city just east of Paris -- where cheap clothing stores abut shops selling North African and Middle Eastern spices and take-out food -- he describes himself without blushing as a revolutionary.

'But given the travesties of the past, from the bureaucratic savagery of Soviet Communism to the chaos of Mao, he said, "revolution needs to be reinvented, for no revolutionary experiment has ever succeeded." They have only been betrayed, either crushed by an armed elite or destroyed by "bureaucratic counter-revolution," he said, adding, "We are trying to strike that balance of taking power without being taken by power."'

If y'all are going to go revolutionary communist, I guess that I'm going to have to move there.


paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:10:11 PM EST
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:21:10 PM EST
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Likely?
If you mean cold-day-in-hell likely, then yeah, I guess we can call it likely. After all, you can take a snapshot of French public opinion on one precise subject (Who is really -- I mean really-- opposing Sarkozy today?) and then go on with a tall tale of France being on the verge of full-fledged proletarian revolution...

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the main opposition party (PS) is being bogged down with internal infighting between its main figures and factions, so the ruling UMP party has virtually no opposition.

Mother Nature hating vacuum, this void is naturally being filled by a young, extremely talented politician, and there you are: Olivier Besancenot.

Note that #1 slot is still held by a PS figure: Bertand Delanoe, the openly gay Paris mayor.

Bottom line: what the poll is showing is the state of disarray the traditional left parties are now in. This is opening new opportunities for the extreme left and Besancenot, being no moron, is riding on them.

How far will he go? Time will tell; but don't hold your breath waiting for the revolution. Sarkozy is not going anywhere...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:47:10 PM EST
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If Sarah Palin can make it, why not Besancenot?

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:15:41 PM EST
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Careful now.  You've just insulted every Frenchman on the planet.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 09:44:36 PM EST
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I never "hold my breath waiting for the revolution" - or anything else for that matter. All that I do is work and play and proselytize and organize. I need all my breaths for that.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:05:51 PM EST
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Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you were asking whether the French might turn revolutionary communists -- a la Besancenot.

Short answer: un-bloody-likely. OB's rise is mostly related to the slow motion train wreck that is today's Socialist Party (PS) and only partly to disillusion with Sarkozy's policies -- Nicolas Sarkozy was elected by 53% of the voters just last year.

No way to tell how far he will go: depends on too many factors, not least whether the PS will finally manage to put its stuff together...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 09:03:14 AM EST
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Firstly, Besancenot is not the leader of the Trotskyist LCR, Alain Krivine is. Besancenot is the spokesperson and perennial presidential canditate.

Secondly, it seems the question asked was, "is this person doing a good job as an opposition leader". Right now, given the state of disarray the PS is in, Besancenot is heard much more than usual in the media doing opposition commentary.

Thirdly, in the same poll, they asked people how they would vote in the first round of a presidential election - Besancenot polled 9 %.

Finally, Sarkozy is trying to pull on the left the trick Mitterrand pulled on the right wing in the 80's, when Le Pen started gaining a high share of the vote : a extremist protest party makes it much harder for the government party on the same side to get elected. Of course, the problems of a far left rise are not the same as those of a far right rise : it doesn't promote racism, among other things.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 09:06:24 PM EST
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that rings true - which is generally the case when you comment.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:07:34 PM EST
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Why I don't find worrying worthwhile, at least for now.  Quietly, as the HuffPo reports, the voter registration drive has worked.  The numbers and characteristics of new voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, Georgia and North Carolina are nothing short of stunning:

As HuffPo puts it,

The most impressive numbers come from Florida (441,225 new voters, 45% of which are Democrats and half of which are under 35), Michigan (where 63% of the 411,207 new voters are under 35), North Carolina (429,059 new voters, 49% of which are Democrats and 55% of which are under 35) and Pennsylvania (where an outstanding 67% of the 286,255 new voters are Democrats and 69% are under 35).

The North Carolina and Georgia ones are particularly impressive to me.  (NC is absolutely Earth-shaking.)  Because it's obvious who's registering: Young people, of course, but the rest are likely blacks and new residents who've come in from other states and need to switch their state registration.  (People who live in a state they were not born in are overwhelmingly Democratic, particularly in the South.)

Ohio looks very good.  The ground game is clearly paying big dividends there.  Ditto Virginia (go, Marek!).

Whether they'll be enough to change outcomes is anybody's guess, but these are truly transformational movements.  This is what a long-term realignment looks like.

This only covers January to July of this year.  The even better news is that the numbers I've seen for August look as though the whole operation is kicking into overdrive (another 50,000 in Virginia last month alone, for example, of whom the Obama campaign expects 80% are Obama voters).

The polls still show it tight.  Maybe tied, maybe a slight McCain lead (no more than a point).  But if they can get these people to the polls, we win.  Period.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:55:50 PM EST
The dKos tracking poll has some informative stuff, too.  I noticed this in Gallup, and I'm glad to see the Great Orange Satan back it up.  Basically, almost all of the tightening in the polls has occurred because of McCain getting breathing space in the South.  Obama leads everywhere else.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:50:23 PM EST
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