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by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:33:50 PM EST
Man arrested for Italian shooting  | BBC News

Italian police have arrested a man over the killing of six African immigrants near Naples last week.

Investigators say they believe the killings, which sparked a riot by local immigrants, were the work of the local mafia, known as the Camorra.

They believe the arrested man was part of a gang that allegedly fired on the immigrants. His family say he had nothing to do with the attack.

Police are still looking for two other people in connection with the killings.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:38:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
According to Italian reconstructions (among whom Saviano) there are at least five members to the band plus bosses. Since last May they have killed 16 people in a strategy of terror culminating in the Castel Volturno massacre of September 18th. There is no evidence that the six African immigrants were involved in drug trafficking or prostitution. Their deaths appear to be no more than a barbaric message.

The camorra group presumed responsible for the murder spree are linked to the Bidognetti clan recently disseminated by arrests, heavy prison sentences and supergrassos. It is rumoured that the head of the clan had become a state witness thus provoking not only a war of succession but a policy of burnt earth around anyone who goes state witness through the massacre of their family members.

The political referents of the Bidognetti clan have recently been outed in a series (second article) of scoops by l'Espresso weekly. According to the scoops prominent Campania political figures in Berlusconi's entourage had key roles in the garbage racket for nearly two decades. They are the same individuals who "cleaned" up Naples.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:29:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
France to bolster Afghan mission | Al Jazeera English

Francois Fillon, France's prime minister, has said Paris will strengthen its mission in Afghanistan with more helicopters, drones, intelligence-gathering equipment and about 100 extra troops.

He made the announcement during a debate in the lower house of the French parliament in which members voted to keep French troops stationed in Afghanistan despite an attack there last month in which 10 soldiers were killed.

The parliament, which is dominated by the party of Nicolas Sarkozy, France's president, voted 343 to 210 in favour of continuing the Nato mission which involves 2,600 French troops.

The vote is the first under a constitutional amendment approved in July that requires politicians to vote on any foreign military operation lasting more than four months.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:49:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Canadian paper stands by story on Taliban ambush of French | AFP

Canada's Globe and Mail newspaper said it stands by its account of a NATO report that described Taliban forces as better-armed than French soldiers targeted in a deadly ambush last month.

Both NATO and the French military have denied the substance and the existence of any such report, saying the newspaper was referring to a leaked e-mail by an officer who gave a partial account of the incident.

But the Toronto daily said the article was well-sourced and based on a confidential report, not an e-mail.

"The Globe and Mail obtained the report from a trusted source, and checked its authenticity with other sources," Philippe Devos, assistant foreign editor at the Toronto daily, told AFP in an e-mail.

Marked "NATO/ISAF SECRET," the report bears the four pointed blue star symbol for NATO and the green emblem of the International Security Assistance Force, the newspaper said.

The paper on Saturday quoted the report on the deadly August 18 ambush as saying the paratroopers had run out of ammunition after only 90 minutes and had one radio that was quickly knocked out, leaving them unable to call for air support.

Ten French soldiers were killed in the assault. The mountain ambush east of Kabul was the deadliest ground attack on international troops since they were sent to Afghanistan in 2001 to oust the hardline Taliban regime.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:50:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
See The "Afghan Events".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:23:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
France to strengthen its Afghan presence - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: One month after ten French soldiers died in a Taliban ambush in Afghanistan, the government announced Monday that it would reinforce its presence there, sending more troops and better equipment despite the outpouring of anguish over the deaths.

There have been several reports - in the media and from leftist opposition politicians - that French troops were poorly equipped for their deployment in the rugged mountains east of Kabul. But Prime Minister François Fillon said during a debate in Parliament on the Afghan deployment that the government was more determined than ever to stay.

"The president of the republic and government have learned the lesson from this murderous ambush," Fillon said in the National Assembly. "We have decided to strengthen our military means.

"Not acting would leave the Afghans at the mercy of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, would re-expose us to the risk of terrorism and would leave our allies to fight for us alone."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 02:11:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So, is France diving deeper into the morass? Or what will the outcome be?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 02:48:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
except that the reaction at home is likely to be a lot more hostile, a lot quicker. Sarkozy thinks that the brazen "I'm not a typical politician, I tell some hard truths, and a hard truth is that we have to be close to the US and fight in Afghanistan against the Evil Islamic Menace" will work but on this I think he is mistaken.

This could get interesting.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:04:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Except that he can now claim that he has a parliement vote for it.
Of course, had the vote been a secret ballot, it would have been strongly rejected. But whereas Sarkozy does not have a secret ballot majority at the moment (ie, too many UMP MPs would vote against him if it were quiet for a majority), it is a rare and brave UMP member who will dare to vote against the little dictator.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:06:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And note that it's the first time since 1978 that the French opposition voted "no" on a war-related vote...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:09:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Same for Iraq: the US Congress voted for the war in 2003, including a large number of Democrats...

Fast-forward to 2006: Iraq war was used against Republicans running for re-election.

The closer we get to 2012, the more nervous UMP MPs will be...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:31:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
FT.com / Columnists - Paul Betts/ European View - Alitalia offers Berlusconi his Thatcher moment

Airlines and coalmines may not be quite the same thing, yet this week could turn out to be Silvio Berlusconi's Thatcher moment.

The Italian rightwing prime minister and media tycoon has been desperately trying to keep Alitalia flying. But all his latest salvage efforts for his country's stricken flag carrier have been blocked by the intransigence of a relatively small group of hardcore unions interested above all in protecting their power and privileges.

These unions, including one representing about 1,000 highly paid pilots, have little public support - not unlike Britain's old National Union of Mineworkers when Margaret Thatcher decided to take them on. The confrontation between the Conservative prime minister of the day and the miners turned into a seminal moment for British labour relations. Mr Berlusconi has the opportunity to do the same in Italy.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:36:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A marketista propagandist can't get any more brazen that that...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:01:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
is dedicated to claiming how terribly stupid  and inferior the continentals are. I don't think I've ever seen him stray even once from that theme.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:02:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
May we have a 'jawdropping' tag?
It would save a lot of typing time these days...

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:12:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Design it, and we'll instate it!

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:13:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, if I can work out how to do so I will.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 10:03:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But all his latest salvage efforts for his country's stricken flag carrier have been blocked by the intransigence of a relatively small group of hardcore unions interested above all in protecting their power and privileges.

Mr. Bell does a good job of translating into English Berlusconi's position which has been accepted by the general public thanks to a perfectly tuned media machine.

Alitalia was already on the point of being salvaged by Air France under far better conditions than those offered by Berlusconi's "Italian" group of bigwig crony impresarios with outrageous conflicts of interest.

The "small group of hardcore unions" amounts to the CGIL, the largest representative union in Italy together with the small unions that represent specific categories. In the words of Epifani, head of the CGIL, you don't negotiate with a pistol pointed at your temple- nor at the last minute. Mr. Berlusconi evidently takes his queues from watching Don Vito Corleone who managed business relations by "making offers that can't be refused."

For a breakdown of union representation see the following article (in Italian). When the tally is made that "small group of hardcore unions" happens to represent the majority of Alitalia workers. Mr. Bell's assertion

Most of Alitalia's unions finally accepted, albeit reluctantly, to a restructuring involving some 3,000 job cuts to allow the rescue to take off.
is simply false- pure berlusconese.

By following the Thatcher example and calling the unions' bluff, he would burst the abscess of 30 years of irresponsible and damaging Italian labour relations. That could turn out to be a far more valuable long-term legacy than saving the national flag carrier.
During Mr. Berlusconi's previous tenure Alitalia shares lost 90% of their value. The problem of Alitalia was entirely ignored at the time.

Alitalia pilots are paid less and have less "privileges" than their European colleagues. Further they did offer to reduce these so-called "privileges" such as being bussed to the airport.

Pilots effectively do have power- and responsibilities. They fly aircrafts.

Alitalia may likely be grounded on Thursday. Berlusconi's cronies will walk off with the choice slices. The Italians that pay taxes will pick up Alitalia's debts and gleefully continue to vote for their saviour who, as we all know, is sacrificing himself for the superior good of the motherland.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:02:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
These unions, ........, have little public support - not unlike Britain's old National Union of Mineworkers when Margaret Thatcher decided to take them on.

We might quiestion the tactics of the miner's leadership and the bullyboy behaviour that unnecessarily reduced public sympathy, but to say they had little support is to indulge in historical revisionism of Winston Smith proportions

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:10:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, it's the FT. To admit that Thatcher's breaking of the unions was other than a historical necessity would be impossible.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:15:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not all bits of the FT are as knee-jerk partisan as Paul Betts.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:20:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Little support from the people that actually matter, he obviously meant to say.
by Trond Ove on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:34:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | Europe | EU prepares Georgia observer role

The German head of the EU's observer mission in Georgia says his team is due to deploy by 1 October around Russian-held Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Hansjoerg Haber said most of his team would arrive in Georgia this week, Reuters news agency reported.

At least 200 EU observers are expected to monitor a Russian troop withdrawal, though some reports say the EU contingent may total as many as 350.

Russia plans to keep nearly 8,000 troops in Georgia's breakaway regions.

Moscow recognised the two regions as independent following a brief but intense conflict with Georgia last month.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:50:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"The Americans said, 'We Won't'": Merkel Says Washington Helped Drag Europe into the Credit Crisis - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Response to Washington's multibillion-dollar Wall Street bailout has involved a lot of skeptical grumbling in Germany and the UK. German Chancellor Angela Merkel says the Bush administration has mishandled Wall Street, and that its refusal to adopt stricter rules led to the current crisis.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel: "That cannot be allowed in the international sphere." The United States government is campaigning around the world for support for its multibillion-dollar Wall Street rescue package. The reaction has been skeptical at best -- and in Europe the plan has been met with bareknuckled criticism.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has accused the US government of serious failures which she believes contributed to the current credit crisis. In particular she blamed Washington for resisting stricter regulation.

On Monday she also said the crisis could hurt the German economy. "The whole thing is going to set the pace for the economy in the coming months and perhaps years," Merkel said at a meeting of her party, the conservative Christian Democrats.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:53:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Germany Says it Sees No Need for Own US-style Bailout | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 22.09.2008
Germany said on Monday it sees no need to create a US-style financial sector bailout of its own as Chancellor Merkel renewed calls for tighter regulation of the financial sector.

Germany has no plans to join in the massive US bailout operation for financial institutions that have run into difficulties with risky mortgage debt, officials said Monday, Sept 22.

The six Group of Seven economic powers aside from the United States do not plan any measures comparable to a US package to support the banking sector, German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck said on Monday.

Ulrich Wilhelm, a spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel, too said the government saw no need for such an undertaking in Germany.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:57:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Germany and UK want global financial regulator - EUobserver

The UK and Germany believe that a new international system regulating the financial sector must be constructed to prevent a repeat of global banking crisis in the future.

Peter Steinbrueck, Germany's Social-Democrat finance minister, raised on Sunday (21 September) the idea of "an international authority that will make the traffic rules for financial markets," while speaking to German radio, Reuters reports.

One government alone cannot deal with the consequences of globalisation

Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown is to outline proposals for just such a body, run under the authority of the International Monetary fund, in a speech to the Labour Party conference on Monday, as well as domestic plans to crack down on "irresponsible" bonuses handed out in the City, London's financial quarter.

"I think what people haven't appreciated is we've now got global financial systems but we've only got national regulators to cover them," Mr Brown told the BBC ahead of the speech, adding that he had been trying to convince his international counterparts for years of the need for "a global system of financial regulation."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:59:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The first time I read this (while putting together the Salon on Saturday, I believe), I couldn't believe it. Could someone explain why Brown is on board with this?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:05:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
he realises that 99% of the population is outraged by the current bailout of the bankers?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:05:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
He (and other leaders, see Sarko's "tough" posturing about the bad guys having to pay) see that, but also probably realize this crisis is not yet over, and it will be as well to go on record asap as being in favour of regulation. That way they can pretend: "I've always been in favour of regulation".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:22:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's very hard to give a coherent explanation of anything Gordon Brown does these days.

It's not a bad idea though, no?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:05:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, isn't that precisely why Brown's support is surprising? ;-)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:06:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It's the labour party conference this week. This is to appease the anger of those outraged by the results of the series of de-regulations he oversaw.

He's also therefore avoiding having to announce anything concrete that will damage his relationships with his chums in the City. After all he may be in need of a directorship or two in the near future.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:20:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is not (just) domestic, this is a joint proposal in the EU. (And that's another big thing; Brown didn't care much for the EU previously.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:23:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Someone in the City must have told Brown that they need Europe's help.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:31:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But that's the very point. He knows that by joining in with an EU proposal he's;-

i) postponing any decisions for a couple of years, ie after the election so he doesn't have to worry about it. A deferred policy change is as good as no policy change.

ii)by the time they come to a decision, all of the fallout will be over and, if still in power, he can portray it as an unwarranted intrusion of the EU into the profitability of the City institutions that makes Britain a world leader blah blah.

Basically, he gets to be seen to be supporting the idea of change whilst whole-heartedly resisting it. There's a whole lot of lobbying, parties, favours, golf trips and bribes from deep deep pockets to be done before "decisions" are made. Just remember how effective Mandelson is at ensuring that all regulations and controls on trade reflect Anglo-American priorities rather than protecting the european public from the rapacious scum preying upon them.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:36:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I lean for Mig's opinion above.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 08:08:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
While I agree that this needs to be organised at international level, we need to be aware that who gets to determine who is appointed and what their background is will determine the effectiveness. A few years ago arch-deregulators such as Greenspan or Bernanke would have been in the running because the over-riding principle was that "greed is good, greed is what makes America global finance great". The idea that risk threatens the world economy would have been considered as the very definition of girly-men. Anybody who threatened to impose genuine regulation and oversight would have been deposed.

And anyone who thinks any of these bastards have really learnt their lesson need only remember that Barclays are gonna pay $2.5 billion worth of bonuses to Lehmans staff for driving their company into bankrupcy. they're very sorry for 5 minutes and then when everybody's backs are turned they'll be at it again and regulation will be the enemy of "innovation", profits and bonuses; same as it ever was.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:28:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And yet, this too will be accepted by the Statesians. Really, when all is said and done in Iraq, it will be 3 trillion in expenses and liabilities lost in the sand, lost to Halliburton and Blackwater and the companies of a half dozen other right wing socialists...even if that war ended to day...2.5 billion...ha.

That's only $10,000 to 250,000 people for a half year of house payments or health insurance perhaps.

One the other hand, 2.5 billion is only 250 x 10 million dollar yachts. Yachts that size are actually the tiny 30 meter ones. But think of all the employment that will bring. The skilled builders and painters and repair engineers flying all over, and a few of crew around all year and more for those few weeks and all those weekends that the owner is actually aboard.

Monaco Yacht Show starts tomorrow. Come on down.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 02:38:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Washington divided over plans to offer Europeans a share of $700bn bailout - Times Online

British and European banks could be excluded from Washington's $700 billion (£382 billion) bailout amid a backlash over the financial burden on the US taxpayer.

While Hank Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, wants to allow foreign banks to benefit from the scheme, some Democrats in Washington and others on Wall Street are angry that taxpayer funds may be used to prop up overseas businesses.

Uncertainty for banks such as UBS, the Swiss financial group, Deutsche Bank, the biggest bank in Germany, and HSBC comes two days after Mr Paulson and President Bush urged lawmakers in Washington to push through the largest financial intervention package since the Great Depression to avoid the meltdown of America's banking system.

As Mr Paulson held meetings with Republicans and Democrats over the weekend to persuade them to nod through the package, dissent broke out over the terms. Chris Dodd, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, acknowledged yesterday that the crisis demanded quick action, but made it clear that Democrats would not rubber-stamp the Administration's proposal. It is believed that bankers from Deutsche Bank and UBS approached America's central bank and other Washington agencies at the weekend to seek assurances they would be included in the bailout.

  [Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 02:15:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If foreign banks are not included, they can just sell the securities to a US bank, which will then sell it to the Treasury. The US banks will take a fee along the way, but the assets of the foreign banks can still be dumped on the Treasury.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:07:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
'Russia's Energy Weapon': German-US Tensions Grow Over Baltic Pipeline - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

A US diplomat has denounced the controversial Baltic natural gas pipeline as "a special arrangement between Germany and Russia." His remarks have ruffled feathers in Berlin and highlighted growing US-German tensions over relations with Russia.

 A gas flare in Russia. Michael Wood, 61, is an athletic man. He has an impressively low golf handicap of 12. The former corporate executive has often gone mountain biking with US President George W. Bush, a connection that may have helped him acquire his current position. Wood has been the US ambassador to Sweden for the past two years.

He is not, however, very well versed in the art of diplomacy. At the end of the week before last, the Swedish daily newspaper Svenska Dagbladet published an op-ed article by the ambassador that set down some unmistakable ground rules. According to Wood, when the Swedish government evaluates the proposed Baltic natural gas pipeline project over the coming months, it should examine more than just environmental aspects. He wrote that the pipeline represents "a special arrangement between Germany and Russia" that "bypasses the Baltic States and Poland," which are "potential customers." Wood calls for the EU to speak "with a single voice to counteract the power of Russia's energy weapon."

The article alarmed the German government. Rüdiger von Fritsch, head of economic affairs at the German Foreign Ministry, promptly called up the American embassy in Berlin and demanded an explanation. Von Fritsch said the German government was "annoyed" by this highly "unusual" approach.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:55:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
'Russia's Energy Weapon': German-US Tensions Grow Over Baltic Pipeline - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
On the other end of the line, Deputy Chief of Mission John Koenig said that he was surprised by the ambassador's statements. He underscored that the US position remains unchanged: Washington will issue no comment on the private pipeline deal. Koenig suggested that the article may have been insufficiently screened in Washington -- a PR mishap, so to speak.

The two experienced diplomats agreed to avoid a "public scuffle." However, von Fritsch made one condition: Nothing like the Wood article must be allowed to happen again.

Huh.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:34:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Martin Schulz, the leader of the Social Democrat parliamentary group in the European Parliament, even sees the Wood article as a "helpful" indicator of "what the Americans aim to do, namely destabilize Europe."

Cool! Now let's hear something as strong on the issue of visas and airline passenger lists, too.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:42:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Money and friendly corporations can make Cold Warriors think logically:

"The Baltic Sea pipeline would not lead to a one-sided dependency on Russia, which would in fact be dangerous," says CDU foreign policy spokesman Eckart von Klaeden. "After all, the enormous Russian investments have to be paid off."


*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:45:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
standing firm on this.

There is an increasingly long list of topics on which Germany is standing firm to the US. Which makes France's position (up Bush's ass) all the more annoying.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:09:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In this case, heavy business interests are involved, so what surprises me is only the sharpness of the tone. Still, despite Martin's arguments (the saying he quotes in English c.: "Friendship ends where money is involved") with the other examples I agree, as I discussed with him the other day, I almost see the beginnings of an independent foreign policy of the current government.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:38:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Let's use the "energy weapon" we hold agaisnt Russia: we can stop buying its oil or gas and basically bankrupt the country.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 08:10:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Khodorkovsky: Georgia war could bring EU and Russia closer - EUobserver

Russia's invasion of Georgia could be followed by a Kremlin effort to mend ties with the West. But the EU has to pull the Russian elite closer without losing sight of its own values, according to fallen oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovksy.

"It's fashionable to say the 'five day war' and Russia's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia is a major blow to Russo-European relations and the prospect of liberalisation in Russia. I'm not convinced," Mr Khodorkovksy said in a rare interview in Le Figaro this weekend. "This crisis could push the Kremlin to take steps to improve relations with the West. If those steps don't undermine Russia's geopolitical position."

Moscow: not necessarily on a collision course with the EU

Russia's one-time richest man sent in his statements from a jail cell in Siberia, having spent five years in prison after the break-up of his oil firm, Yukos, over politically-motivated fraud charges.

Mr Khodorkovksy praised France for handling the Georgia crisis with understanding for the "nuances" of Russia's post-imperial problems, urging the EU not to try and dominate Russia but not to lapse into value-free realpolitik either.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 02:02:00 AM EST
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Perhaps of most interest for those attending ET Meets:

BBC NEWS | Business | EU to slash more mobile charges

EU to slash more mobile charges
Using a phone abroad should become even cheaper

Proposals to slash the cost of using mobile phones abroad, for text, data and voice calls, could become law next July following a vote in Brussels.

The European Parliament is to vote on whether roaming costs for text messages should be capped.

The cost of sending a message is expected to eventually fall by 60% from an average of 23 pence to 9 pence.

Voice calls would fall from 36 to 27 pence a minute and customers would be able to set limits on data downloads.

A reluctant mobile phone industry first had limits on its roaming charges imposed by the EU in September 2007.

However, those applied only to voice calls, not those for texting or browsing the internet.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 03:56:04 AM EST
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Regulation is better than competition to bring prices down?

Or is that unfair gouging of poor struggling companies that will once more erode Europe's attractiveness for investment?

This is soooo confusing.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:11:16 AM EST
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Sarko's attacking his base.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080923/wl_nm/us_france_economy_sarkozy

I told Bush; don't play chess with the freakin' Russians.

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:51:15 AM EST
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Bloomberg: Finland's 2nd School Attack in Year Leaves Casualties
A gunman opened fire at a catering college in Kauhajoki, Finland, the nation's second school shooting in a year. The attack left several people dead and more were injured, state broadcaster YLE said, citing police.

The gunman later shot himself, YLE said, and is being treated by paramedics, YLE said, citing the police at Kauhajoki. It didn't give details.

``There has been shooting at the Kauhajoki Home Economics and Catering School,'' police sergeant Jussi Muotio said in a phone interview from Kauhajoki, about 330 kilometers from Helsinki. ``There are casualties, but we don't know yet how many.''



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:39:27 AM EST
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Sven or anyone on the ground, are there any loud noises for gun control?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:59:11 AM EST
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DoDo_ Those calls will come. Everyone is now in shock.

There will not be any kind of total ban called for - Finland is still largely forest and arable, and hunting is an old tradition (and a method of culling). The laws are actually quite strict - it is the application of them that is lax.

What we may see called for is a raising of the age at which a license can be issued, and restrictions on the types of guns that can be purchased and licensed. You have to remember that there is still compulsory national service, so most young guys over 21 are familiar with weapons. (except for those who choose civil service or are medically excused). I do not know if the young man in this tragedy had completed his national service. I suspect not. A macabre fascination with guns does not usually survive military training in Finland.

But there have been a number of incidents in the past year outside of professional crime. So a tightening up of regulation and monitoring is likely.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 11:49:55 AM EST
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A cabinet crisis meeting recently concluded, ended with a press statement that indicates gun regulation will be revisited by the government.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 02:06:20 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Europe | Finnish school gunman kills nine
The gunman, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, posted a video on YouTube as a preview of his attack, pledging to "eliminate" those he saw as "unfit".

Ms Holmlund said police questioned the man about the YouTube video, which showed him shooting at a firing range.

On the video, the gunman says "you die next" before firing three times at the camera.

Ms Holmlund said: "Police were aware of this and spoke to him on Monday, September 22. However, the police officer on duty decided there was no need to terminate his gun licence."



Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 10:44:13 AM EST
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That seems to be a shocking level of leniency, at least at first sight.

Gun crime and gun insanity including school shootings might be the most serious problem in the USA, and the rate of gun ownership (especially ownership of guns for personal safety) might be the highest there, but Europe has a gun problem, too.

In countries like France and Germany, it's chielfy the hunting lobby that retains too many loopholes. Switzerland is a special case with its home-stored military guns. But the worst are Austria and Finland, with relatively high gun ownership and mad gun lobbies, which even forced the respective countries to block EU-level regulation a feww years back.

Back to Finland, now or right after the nationwide mourning, what needs to be campaigned for is not simply stricter controls: sports shooters shouldn't be allowed to take a gun home (they should be kept at the club), and a rule for weapons not for persnal safety (including hunting guns) to be stored in disassembled state. If not, the next shooting comes, surely.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:05:42 PM EST
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WORLD
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:34:18 PM EST
Egypt abduction talks 'ongoing' | BBC News

Egypt says negotiations are still ongoing to secure the release of 19 people abducted in southern Egypt.

A cabinet spokesman said that an earlier announcement by the foreign minister that they had been freed and were safe and well was premature.

The group includes five Italians, five Germans and a Romanian, along with eight Egyptians.

The government says they were taken across the border into Sudan, and the hostage takers have demanded a ransom.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:37:21 PM EST
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Head of watchdog resigns as number of babies in hospital from tainted milk rises to 13,000 | The Guardian
· Over 40,000 treated in melamine scandal
· Countries across Asia ban or recall imported goods

Almost 13,000 Chinese babies are in hospital after consuming tainted baby milk, and a further 40,000-plus have been treated, in a scandal which yesterday led to the resignation of the head of the country's quality watchdog, according to state media.

The scandal, which began when dozens of babies suffered kidney stones and even kidney failure after drinking a popular brand that contained the chemical melamine, has since spread to more than 20 companies and affected products including fresh milk, yoghurt and ice-cream.

Countries across Asia are checking imported dairy products from China. Brunei, Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong have already banned or recalled a variety of milk products. Taiwan banned all mainland dairy products on Sunday. In Hong Kong Nestlé, the world's largest food company, said it had recalled a UHT pure milk product after a local food watchdog discovered samples containing a tiny amount of the chemical melamine.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:40:45 PM EST
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there's an interesting metaphor between the melamine added to fake higher protein content in dried milk, and the 'toxic paper' that has been polluting the world financial system.

sneak the poison in with the 'good stuff', so peoples' confidence is artificially boosted, while they and their children (mostly the latter) are slowly killed.

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:30:58 AM EST
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I'm interested to see how this plays out. Parents of children who were killed by badly built schools in the recent earthquake and wanted those guilty of corruption and fraud punished have been arrested or threatened.

So will china allow this go on for a week and then stamp on it.

After all, the govt doesn't want anything to interfere with the global image of china as the thrusting new superpower. Pictures of grieving parents accusing Party bosses of corruption doesn't look good. And seeing as it's the system itself that is rotten and makes this stuff inevitable, there's not gonna be any change.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:49:05 AM EST
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So far the pattern of this event is that it has gotten much bigger than the earthquake problem, mediawise... that may make it harder to suppress.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 07:02:20 AM EST
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They will close the guilty factory, sentence to death its director, make a lot of noise about it, and forget about food regulation until the next crisis strikes.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 08:11:46 AM EST
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on the last point:

Jerome a Paris: forget about food regulation until the next crisis strikes.

Just like the financial meltdown on Wall Street, this food scandal is exceptional in scope and impact.

First of all, China is huge.  Four times bigger than Europe or the USA, population-wise.  Lots of people, lots of companies, lots of things to look over, in a ridiculously fast changing, churning environment.  Food regulation is carried out locally, but there is growing central government involvement.  And this scandal for sure will accelerate that.

Second, it's not liked developed countries like the U.S., Japan, Italy, and others haven't had, and continue to have, their own food contamination issues in recent years.  And China is not even a developed country yet.

Third, as metatone points out above, this story is all over the media.  Huge front page spreads on major dailies.  They've started tamping it down on TV because of too much rage on internet bulletin boards.  The government knows this is a big fuck-up, and just as they did already this year with the New Year's blizzards and the earthquake, they are choosing to tackle this problem head-on.

Helen makes a good point about how the government has shamefully smothered the school construction scandal in Sichuan, in part by paying off or intimidating parents into shutting up about it.  And it would be a good bet that if this milk tainting were local and isolatable, they would do the same here; since it is so widespread, the government has no choice but to deal with it openly.  That is obviously cynical of them.

But that does not change the fact that food quality is improving here, and although China still has far too many of these, it will have fewer and fewer of them over time, as an increasingly aware, demanding, and numerous middle class insists on better quality.  And as the government continues to get sick of losing so much face in the eyes of the world.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 09:44:20 AM EST
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marco: Four times bigger than Europe or the USA, population-wise.

China's population is definitely not "four times" bigger than Europe's, but slightly less than twice Europe's population, and 2.5 times bigger than the EU's.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 09:51:09 AM EST
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Well, looking at China Daily, one government 'response' seems to be stepping up alti-Dalai-Lama propaganda...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 10:29:19 AM EST
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Japan's Banks to the Rescue - BusinessWeek

On Sept. 22, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, Japan's largest bank, said it's considering a multibillion dollar investment for up to 20% of Morgan Stanley. The news comes only a month after MUFG moved to beef up its U.S. presence with a $3.5-billion purchase of the 35% of UnionBanCal that it didn't already own.

Separately, Nomura Holdings, Japan's biggest brokerage, confirmed today it will buy Lehman Brothers' Asia operations--absorbing the 3,000 employees in the Asia-Pacific region but not the trading assets or liabilities--for an undisclosed amount.

A decade ago, it would have been hard to imagine.

<...>

Japanese financial institutions may finally be serious about growing beyond their home market, where the population is aging and the industry's prospects aren't all that promising. One reason they still have the resources is that they escaped the subprime U.S. mortgage implosion with barely a scratch. The 80s debacle had made them cautious, so they had steered clear of the reckless bets that got the U.S. banks in trouble.

In fact, they had seen this coming since at least last January.  Too bad the U.S. government hadn't -- or at least didn't care to do much about it.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:52:00 PM EST
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Stocks Fall as Rescue Plan Is Negotiated | NY Times

WASHINGTON -- Senate and House Democratic leaders said on Monday that they had reached an agreement on their conditions for approving a $700 billion rescue plan for the financial system, including more oversight of the program and a requirement that the government do more to help troubled borrowers refinance their mortgages.

But even as Congressional Democrats and the administration began to narrow their differences, Democrats are bracing for a battle over efforts to limit the pay of executives whose firms seek help and over whether to grant bankruptcy judges authority to modify the mortgages of borrowers in danger of foreclosure.

Investors were skeptical. Concerns that the bailout plan may not move smoothly through Congress contributed to the anxiety in the markets that pushed the Dow Jones industrial average down more than 372 points and pushed crude oil up more than $16 a barrel.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:52:24 PM EST
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Bailout's Engineers Face a Dilemma | Washington Post

As the government weighs how to bail out the financial sector, the engineers of the plan face a dilemma.

The higher the prices the government pays for troubled mortgage securities held by banks, the more the rescue will bolster those banks and sustain the lending that is vital to the broader economy. But higher prices would also mean a worse deal for taxpayers.

In other words, the more effective the plan, the more expensive it will ultimately be.

Under both the Bush administration's proposal and many of the variations finding favor among Democrats, the government would buy up to $700 billion in shaky assets now on the books of financial companies. As the government does so, it will be forced to grapple with the same question that has vexed the brightest minds on Wall Street for more than a year: What are the darn things worth?

The very reason for the financial crisis of the last 14 months is that no one knows for sure. Wall Street created securities so complex that their value can swing wildly depending on what happens to the overall housing market. For example, a particular type of mortgage-backed security might offer a giant payout if home prices only drop another 10 percent, but be worthless if they drop another 15 percent.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:54:06 PM EST
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the more effective the plan, the more expensive it will ultimately be.

Effective at what, exactly? Saving bankers? Yep.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:12:34 AM EST
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This pisses me off to no end because we now have new internal rules that are going to certainly limit our ability to lend to projects in the near future - which means that the sectors of banks that did nothing stupid and never lost money are being penalised (and of course, the bosses that oversaw the stupidest stuff are still there).

Sigh...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:14:53 AM EST
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Foreign Nations Pledge Support, but Not Financing  | NY Times

WASHINGTON -- The United States, having expanded its proposed rescue of the financial sector to include foreign banks, has not yet found any other country willing to join the landmark bailout.

The Treasury Department still hopes to marshal a worldwide effort to cleanse the balance sheets of banks. But Europe and Japan have signaled that they are not ready to mount a rescue of the kind being debated here.

Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. continues to solicit support from foreign governments. His department plans to prod them by giving preference to banks from countries that show a willingness to help the American effort, a senior administration official said Monday.

"We expect other countries to do their part, but we're not insisting their programs be exactly like ours," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We're certainly not prepared to put ourselves in a position where there's a free-rider problem."

Given that the mortgage collapse began here and that most of the distressed debt is held by American banks, specialists said it was not clear that the United States had much leverage in forcing others to take part.

"There's a view in Europe that this is a U.S.-made problem, and that it should be solved in the U.S.," said Charles H. Dallara, the managing director of the Institute for International Finance, a group of 340 global banks.

by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Mon Sep 22nd, 2008 at 09:56:30 PM EST
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 "We're certainly not prepared to put ourselves in a position where there's a free-rider problem."

Bankers are not free-riders, they are a vital part of the economy (the one that holds the gun to your head)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 04:16:03 AM EST
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this bailout, the longer i think about it, the phrase 'perfect crime' keeps popping in my head.

paulson makes a great 'dr. doom', straight from central casting, better than chertoff even, hell, better than rudy!

'we've cracked it, the blame is too diffused to haunt us, we've taken the world's savings hostage, and we're holding an ak-47 to the head of anyone who wants to threaten our getting away with the hooch...(evil cackle)

the other phrase that recurs to the point of agony, is 'too big to fail'...

the images engendered by that are surreal.

the most recent and compelling is an elephant stepping out onto thinning ice!

i mean really, they were too big to fail, they failed anyway, so the recipe for success is to hand them a fat cheque, (just for aperitivo), unlimited political over-ride power, and total freedom from accountability by rule of law.

makes total sense, huh?

the sopranos were such amateurs...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 06:41:21 AM EST
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I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but during the 80's there was an episode of World in Action, (The major commercial channel current affairs program, the equivalent of the BBC's panorama) where one of the big 60's UK gangsters was released from prison, they took him out to show them where all the crooks were in modern day London.

He took them to the city of London and gave a speach, which was sampled into a late 80's dance track.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 09:29:53 AM EST
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After a bit of a hunt the relevent quotes taken from the song lyrics.

Polychronicon of Adeeva: Two thieves and a liar

"I've done a few dealings in the city
met a number of stockbrokers
and i can tell you in all my life that i've never seen
such dishonesty and greed
it's like a big betting shop a bookies a casino
where the're all screwing each other and the rest of the world"

Polychronicon of Adeeva: Two thieves and a liar

"when the jews and italian communities went to america right
they landed in a new country that was ripe for organisation and for rackets
now in this country thats not possible
because the real power the real money the real rackets
have been going on over here for hundreds of years
all stitched up and passed on from generation to generation
and the american gangsters right,
theyr'e still struggling to get the respectability that theyr'e after
but we've had three centuries headstart on those buggers
and look haven't we done a beautiful job of it an' all
i bet you there are millions of people right that think
that the blokes who work here in the city are really good blokes
hard working who have got the economy of this nation deep in their hearts
what a load of cobblers it's the best confidence trick in history"


Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 10:10:07 AM EST
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FT.com / In depth - Fears emerge over $700bn rescue

The dollar buckled, stocks tumbled and the price of oil jumped on Monday as the $700bn (£376bn) US government bail-out plan for the financial sector made slow progress in Washington and once-mighty Wall Street names turned to Japan to safeguard their future.

Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve threw open the doors to investment in the US banking industry by private equity firms, sovereign wealth funds and corporate investors - in the hope that this would direct much-needed capital to US banks.

After the roar, the whimper?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:32:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Buffett's time bomb goes off on Wall Street | U.S. | Reuters

But credit default swaps -- complex derivatives originally designed to protect banks from deadbeat borrowers -- are adding to the turmoil.

"This was supposedly a way to hedge risk," says Ellen Brown, the author of the book "Web of Debt."

"I'm sure their predictive models were right as far as the risk of the things they were insuring against. But what they didn't factor in was the risk that the sellers of this protection wouldn't pay ... That's what we're seeing now."

Brown is hardly alone in her criticism of the derivatives. Five years ago, billionaire investor Warren Buffett called them a "time bomb" and "financial weapons of mass destruction" and directed the insurance arm of his Berkshire Hathaway Inc (BRKa.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) to exit the business.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 01:58:22 AM EST
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I fully concur.
I was interviewing people some time ago about CDS for a project in which I am a consultant. We had a "no-understanding" moment when I tried to ask about how the risk profile of the CDS originator was priced.

They explained that there was a market for CDS indeed but that it's the risk of the counterpart that is priced (in case I hadn't got that).
After I reworded they saw that I had got that. And they admitted that, indeed, some CDS had become worthless because the originator had defaulted. But apparently that was never taken into account in the pricing.

Look, I had at that time only 6 months of working experience in a banking environment, the first 4 of which being on HR projects. And it did not even take me a couple of seconds to see the problem. I can only see two possibilities:
-People involved in those markets saw the problem and deliberately pretended it wasn't there (they sure didn't make much noise about it).
-To work in derivatives, there is a requirement that, even though you must be mathematically proficient, you must be terminally stupid and unable to understand any of the figures you process.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:21:33 AM EST
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I think there is a bit of both:

  • Certainly as Jerome notes, many people knew there were problems and turned a blind eye. The head of Citigroup was quoted saying "while the music is playing, we'll keep dancing"...

  • I've observed amongst the quants I've known that many times they are systematically excluded from understanding the connection between the systems they create and the "market realities" involved. In part this is an issue of IP, the people in charge don't want the quants to understand too much of the model, in case they go work for someone else. But I also believe in part it's because they want to restrict the labour power of the quants they employ too.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 05:41:47 AM EST
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That, and, at least in France, it is not unheard for Mathematicians to have a weak grasp of the realities they model, already in Physics. No reason why it'd be different in Finance, where the "realities" are even further from common sense.

In my experience, the computer programmers were often barely aware of such concepts as "what's a CDS"...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Sep 23rd, 2008 at 09:15:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
China paper urges new currency order after financial tsunami | U.S. | Reuters

BEIJING (Reuters) - Threatened by a "financial tsunami," the world must consider building a financial order no longer dependent on the United States, a leading Chinese state newspaper said on Wednesday.

The commentary in the overseas edition of the People's Daily said the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc (LEH.P: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz) "may augur an even larger impending global 'financial tsunami'."

The People's Daily is the official newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party, and the overseas edition is a smaller circulation offshoot of the main paper.

Its pronouncements do not necessarily directly reflect leadership views, but this commentary by a professor at Shanghai's Tongji University suggested considerable official alarm at the strains buckling world financial markets.

China's central bank earlier this week cut its lending rate for the first time in six years, a move analysts said was aimed at bolstering the economy and the battered stock market.

"The eruption of the U.S. sub-prime crisis has exposed massive loopholes in the United States' financial oversight and supervision," writes the commentator, Shi Jianxun.

"The world urgently needs to create a diversified currency and financial system and fair and just financial order that is not dependent on the United States."

Tried to find this on the People's Daily but couldn't.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

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