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by Fran
Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:11:16 PM EST

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:12:13 PM EST
SPIEGEL Interview with German Finance Minister Steinbrück: 'We Were All Staring into the Abyss' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

SPIEGEL spoke with German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück about the roots of the US credit disaster, whether Germany is in grave danger and what the future has in store for world banking.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Steinbrück, Wall Street is imploding. The government of the United States wants to establish a $700 billion (€480 billion) bailout program for its banks and their bad loans. How serious is the situation for the rest of the world?

Steinbrück: We are experiencing the most severe financial crisis in decades, although one should be careful about historic comparisons with 1929. One thing is clear: After this crisis, the world will no longer be the same. The financial architecture will change globally.

German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück says that it's time for more regulation. SPIEGEL: Could you be more specific, please.

Steinbrück: There will be shifts in terms of the importance and status of New York and London as the two main financial centers. State-owned banks and funds, as well as commercial banks from Europe, China, Russia and the Arab world will close the gaps, creating new centers of power in the financial world.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:14:22 PM EST
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Benelux Countries to Bail Out Sinking Fortis Group | Business | Deutsche Welle | 29.09.2008
As Washington prepares to vote on its massive bailout plan, the European Central Bank gave the green light to a rapid nationalization of the Benelux financial group Fortis in a bid to save one of Europe's top 20 banks.

After emergency discussions with ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet on Sunday, Sept. 28, the Belgian, Dutch and Luxembourg governments agreed to inject 11.2 billion euros ($16.4 billion) into the banking and insurance company Fortis after a weekend of high drama.

The presence of Trichet, who as ECB head is responsible for safeguarding financial stability in the euro zone, was unprecedented in a commercial bank rescue and underlined the seriousness of concern for the integrity of the euro zone's financial system.

In the first major bank crisis to hit the euro zone in 13 months of global financial turmoil that began in the United States, Fortis looked to be in severe danger with some experts concerned that the tri-nation group could go under by Monday if nothing was done to save it.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:16:05 PM EST
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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:16:44 PM EST
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Banking crisis claims Belgo-Dutch giant - EUobserver

The global banking crisis, born across the Atlantic, again sent waves crashing into Europe on Sunday (29 September) as the Belgian, Dutch and Luxemburg governments partly nationalised Belgo-Dutch banking and insurance giant Fortis in an €11.2 billion bailout.

The move was announced on Sunday evening by Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme, following a marathon weekend of talks between the three governments and European Central Bank chair Jean-Claude Trichet.

Belgo-Dutch bank Fortis is the latest recipient of tax-payer bailouts in the financial sector

"We have taken up our responsibility, we did not abandon the savers," Mr Trichet told reporters.

The deal will see the Benelux governments purchase 49 percent of the bank's operations in each of the three countries. Belgium is to take on the biggest load, offering €4.7 billion towards the acquisition, with the Netherlands paying €4 billion and Luxembourg €2.5 billion.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:17:54 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - Europe - Europe's financial crisis spreads

European governments have announced a flurry of bank bail-outs - but the rescue deals have only heightened fears that the contagion from the US credit crisis has much further to run.

Stock markets fell heavily and money markets remained frozen as banks continued to refuse to lend to each other on Monday, hours before US politicians rejected a $700bn bail-out package.

As US politicians debated the rescue of their own banks, the governments of Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg took partial control late on Sunday of struggling bank Fortis NV, while Britain seized control of mortgage lender Bradford & Bingley early on Monday.

Germany organized a credit lifeline for blue-chip commercial real estate lender Hypo Real Estate Holding AG, while Iceland's government took over Glitnir bank, the country's third-largest lender.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:29:25 PM EST
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Bloomberg.com: U.S.

Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Dexia SA, the world's biggest lender to local governments, will get a 6.4 billion-euro ($9.2 billion) state-backed rescue after worsening financial markets drove the shares to a record decline.

Belgium's federal and regional governments, France and the company's largest shareholders will supply the funds, according to a statement from Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme today.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 02:47:26 AM EST
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Austrian far right scores big win  - EUobserver

With the Social Democrats and centrist People's Party hitting their most historic lows since 1945, Austrian elections on Sunday saw two far-right parties doubling and almost tripling their seats in parliament. The result could lead to a new coalition involving the right-wing extremists, despite EU sanctions having been applied to a similar government in 2000.

A bitter victory for Austria's Social-Democrats, as they won the elections with the lowest score since 1945

Hard bargaining lies ahead in attempts to form a governing coalition, as no party has scored over 30 percent, and a minority government would be a first in Austria.

The Social Democrats, who won the most votes - 29.7 percent, down from 35 percent in 2006 - are ruling out any alliance with the anti-immigrant Freedom Party (FPO) - up seven points to 18 percent - or the Alliance for Austria's Future (BZO), led by Nazi-fan Jorg Haider, which jumped from four to 11 percent.

According to Social Democratic leader Werner Faymann, the centrist People's Party (OVP) remains their preferred coalition partner, despite the fact that the same such coalition formula led to the current early elections. But the OVP, which also hit a historic low on Sunday - plummenting from 34 to 25.6 percent - has not ruled out talks with the far-right groups.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:18:52 PM EST
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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:19:36 PM EST
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Russia renews push for pan-European security pact - EUobserver

Russia has reiterated its call for a pan-European summit aimed at creating a "reliable collective security system" in Europe, arguing that existing structures "did not pass the strength test" during the conflict in South Caucasus last August.

Speaking at the UN General Assembly ministerial meeting on Saturday (27 September), Russian foreign minister Sergej Lavrov claimed such a new system was needed to guarantee "equal security for all states."

Moscow wants a bigger role in international diplomacy

"The solidarity of the international community fostered on the wave of struggle against terrorism turned out to be somehow privatised," he said in a reference to the post-9/11 "war on terror" and the United States, AP reports.

The minister added that it was "impossible or even disastrous to try to resolve the existing problems with the blindfolds of the unipolar world."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:20:03 PM EST
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Merkel Disappointed by Bavarian Ally's Drubbing at Polls | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 29.09.2008
Chancellor Merkel says her governing conservatives must focus on the economy, jobs and education in the wake of a massive loss for her allies in Bavaria that could hurt her bid for re-election in polls next year.

A day after her Bavarian ally, the Christian Social Union (CSU) lost their absolute majority it had held in Bavaria's state assembly for nearly half a century, Chancellor Merkel said she would try harder to win back voters, stressing the economy, creating jobs, education and integrating minorities in her campaign.

 

"We'll offer Germans a vision of the future and steadiness amid globalization," the chancellor said in Berlin on Monday, Sept 29.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:20:46 PM EST
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Merkel's new challenge: Reviving conservatives - International Herald Tribune

BERLIN: Chancellor Angela Merkel's face said it all. In a brief public appearance Monday morning, there were no smiles, no words of optimism, just the grim determination to soldier on to federal elections next year.

"We have a lot to do," Merkel said the morning after her conservative allies in Bavaria were trounced in state elections, posting their worst showing since 1954.

In addition, her Christian Democrats fared poorly in local government elections Sunday in the eastern state of Brandenburg, slipping from first to third position behind the Social Democrats and the Left party.

With the Christian Social Union in Bavaria losing its absolute majority for the first time in decades, Merkel is in danger of having to forego a traditional prop for conservative German leaders seeking national power. In 2005, when Merkel's conservative bloc finished just ahead of the Social Democrats nationally, it was the Bavarian party that made the difference.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:22:53 PM EST
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EU to build 'Motorways of the Sea' - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / FOCUS - The European Union wants to move more transport off the roads and onto the sea in an effort to fight growing congestion and greenhouse gas emissions in Europe.

The so-called Motorways of the Sea (MoS) are set to make fundamental changes to the European transport sector as a "real competitive alternative to land transport," according to the European Commission, which wants the Motorways of the Sea to be as simple to use within ten years time as the trucking of goods on land is today.

EU wants short-haul shipping to be as smooth as road freight within the next ten years

The EU executive wants to see set up regular maritime links between different EU seaports, to form a transportation system - for both goods and people - at sea, which will overcome road transport bottlenecks while at the same time reaching the 27-member bloc's outlying regions and islands more easily.

In its 2007, Report on the Motorways of the Sea, the EU executive states that "both energy consumption and emissions of greenhouse gases per tonne-kilometre are lower than for any other mode of land-based transport and the investment costs for Motorways of the Sea are only a fraction of the cost of new terrestrial motorways."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:22:31 PM EST
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Don't ships run on... oil?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:45:00 PM EST
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not only that, but didn't some report point out recently that most ships have old engines that have truly awful CO2 and efficiency performances ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:40:02 PM EST
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Still much more efficient than trucks. No braking and accelerating...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:54:02 PM EST
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And, this is almost surely easier to manage than building stuff on land.  It sounds like they're talking mostly about regulatory and informational reform, with some infrastructure improvements at the ports - a heck of a lot easier than building new track.

And, even though current shipping runs on oil and pollutes, this kind of infrastructure isn't really going to go our of date no matter how bad the energy situation gets - the cranes can be run electrically, and we could always return to sail.

by Zwackus on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 06:51:17 PM EST
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Modern ship diesel are like twice as efficient as the best car diesels.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 07:32:59 PM EST
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how do you measure that eficiency?

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 08:01:04 PM EST
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The fraction of chemical energy in the fuel turned into kinetic energy in the ship. About 55 % for the biggest and best ship engines.

If you instead look at things like energy spent per container, ships win by hugely more than just being twice as good. Probably by several orders of magnitude.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 08:16:28 PM EST
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55 % ! how is that even possible? CCGT on tankers... now that would be hilarious.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 12:40:04 AM EST
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I dunno, but here are the stats.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 07:25:28 AM EST
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Ah ok, that's extremely recent technology, and apparently needs a lot of space. Scale effects must play in full. Still fairly interesting... I'm curious how badly those engines affect maneuverability: moving pieces have so much inertia that they destroy everything when ships turn beccause of the centrifugal force.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:49:06 AM EST
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Yeah... but so little it doesn't matter much. The big problem with ships is that they run on more or less unregulated bunker fuel, which spews sulfur all over the place.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 07:32:08 PM EST
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Precisely.. great data.

they are 10 times more efficient per unit transported than anything known for transport (including traisn with the present pool of eenrgy).. but they spell sulfur all over the place...

Good to fight global warming.. not so much pollution ..

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:20:34 AM EST
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To boot, there are insufficient measures against cleaning ships on the open sea (speak: wash all the sludge into the ocean, and that for free).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:30:04 AM EST
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OSCE gives negative verdict on Belarus vote - EUobserver
The OSCE verdict on the Belarus vote said it "ultimately fell short of OSCE commitments for democratic elections" but noted "minor improvements." "The significant progress we hoped for in the democratic development of Belarus did not materialize," OSCE envoy Anne-Marie Lizin said.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:23:10 PM EST
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Belarus election falls short, European monitors say - International Herald Tribune

MINSK, Belarus: The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said Monday that despite "minor improvements" the parliamentary election in Belarus "ultimately fell short of OSCE commitments for democratic elections."

A report by organization monitors said the vote was "generally well conducted, but the process deteriorated considerably during the vote count" as monitors were hindered from seeing the counting in 35 percent of cases. The report said "several cases of deliberate falsification of results were observed."

Opposition activists had called for the group to reject the election results, which showed a total sweep by supporters of President Aleksandr Lukashenko.

Also Monday, the United States - which has said it would evaluate the voting before considering steps to improve relations - said the election fell far short of international standards.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:31:55 PM EST
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Europol stages counter-terror drill in Finland - EUobserver
EU anti-terror police from six EU member states stormed a "hi-jacked" Finnish ferry in the Stockholm archipelago in an exercise on Sunday. The "Atlas," force comprising some 200 EU counter-terrorist specialists, was the largest Europol exercise of its kind so far.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:23:28 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | Unions backing Alitalia rescue

A 1bn-euro (£800m; $1.45bn) bail-out of Italian airline Alitalia has won the support of the last two unions who had been opposing the deal.

The support for the rescue package could help clear the way for a relaunch of Italy's flag carrier.

The airline had appeared doomed to liquidation until the rescue emerged.

Last week, the Italian civil aviation authority, ENAC, agreed not to revoke Alitalia's licence to fly after a revised rescue plan was approved.

The SDL and AVIA unions, which represent cabin crew and ground staff had opposed the plan.

However, they have now followed the example of the airline's pilots and changed their minds.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:28:20 PM EST
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Tories vow to freeze council tax for two years - Times Online

A Conservative government would freeze council tax for two years, George Osborne pledged today, in a surprise move unveiled to cheers at the party's conference.

The Shadow Chancellor told delegates in Birmingham that it would be paid for by putting a cap on the spending by the Government on consultants and advertising.

Although central government cannot force councils to freeze tax rises, they will offer to help those who limit their spending increases.

The Tories said that Mr Osborne's pledge would save the typical Band D household over £200. It will be paid for by cutting government spending on advertising and consultants by £500m in the first year of government and £1 billion in subsequent years.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:36:33 PM EST
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The tories are clearly ramping up their populism for the next election...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:38:26 PM EST
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how about cancelling trident ? Or the iraq and afghanistan silliness ? Or pulling back pointless overseas bases like the german ones (hint to defence chiefs - WWII is over and so is the cold war).

Or, taxing the super rich at a reasonable rate ? Taxing corproations at all. Scrapping tax exemptions ?
Damn, then you wouldn't be tories tho'. sorry.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:44:08 PM EST
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To quote another republican tonight.

"Surely this is the first step on the slippery slope to socialism"

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:50:57 PM EST
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European temperatures rising faster than world average, report says - International Herald Tribune

OSLO: Europe is warming faster than the world average and governments need to invest to adapt to a changing climate set to turn the Mediterranean region arid and the north ever wetter, a study released Monday said.

Europe's mountains, coasts, the Mediterranean and the Arctic were most at risk from global warming, according to the report by the European Environment Agency and branches of the World Health Organization and the European Commission.

"Global average temperature has increased almost 0.8 C (1.4 F) above pre-industrial levels, with even higher temperature increases in Europe and northern latitudes," it said.

Europe had warmed by 1 Celsius.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:38:50 PM EST
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The theory and reality of France's EU leadership - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: In a time when world leadership appears in short supply, Nicolas Sarkozy is making a case that he can be leader of a Europe able to take a greater hand in global decision making.

It's an interesting idea, absent clear U.S. command for the moment and even, perhaps, extending beyond the arrival of a new president in January.

It depends on not focusing too hard on the details of a Europe whose divisions confront and usually overwhelm its ambitions.

It also means believing both in a multipolar vision of the world and in the long-shot notion Europe's former Soviet bloc countries might soften their conviction that only the United States can guarantee their freedom.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:40:04 PM EST
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John Vinocur will go on living in the past until..?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 02:52:47 PM EST
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Bridge trips tourists | Guardian | 29.9.08
Tourists crossing a new bridge built across Venice's Grand Canal have stumbled across a possible flaw, which has landed 10 of them in casualty with twisted ankles and other minor injuries.

The 10 tourists were treated after taking a tumble on the 94-metre long Constitution Bridge, designed by the Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava, which opened on September 11.

Pedestrians who lost their footing have blamed the bridge's irregularly spaced steps, some of which act as viewing points, and the disorienting optical effect of the sectioned stone and glass flooring. "People miss a step and then they come and moan at us," a police guard on 24-hour security watch at the sleek steel and glass bridge told the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera. But one of the city's doctors, Paolo Pennarelli, suggested the mishaps were partly due to tourists marvelling at the bridge's impressive views over the lagoon city rather than paying attention to their feet. "We have quite a lot of this type of accident every week. In Venice, falls like this are natural," he said.

"Some of which act as viewing points", and some which don't. This sort of even-handed journalism can sometimes be quite funny. To help you make up your own mind, here's a picture of these steps (notice the one at the bottom of the image)

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I don't think I need to state my own opinion. The fact that I bothered to take this picture should speak for itself.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 05:11:47 PM EST
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every museum built in the last 50 years that I've visited has at least one irregular staircase. Rather than my awkward steps leading to "a questioning of my assumptions," they only remind me that indeed, I am in a modern museum.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:27:35 PM EST
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which is stupid given all the evidence that humans don't do irregular staircases well.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:48:13 AM EST
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Maybe you have assumptions that need to be questioned.

/snark

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:27:19 AM EST
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Yes. The assumption that your nose should be placed as-is in your face. After you're done with them stairs (or rather, them stairs are done with you), you'll look like a real live Picasso.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:50:25 AM EST
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Reuters: EU says US must meet finance crisis responsibility
In an unusually sharp statement, a spokesman for the European Union executive said the EU was disappointed at the U.S. House of Representatives' rejection of a $700 billion rescue package for distressed banks and financial institutions.

"The U.S. must take its responsibility in this situation," spokesman Johannes Laitenberger told a news conference, adding that Europe expected Congress to act fast.

Rescue measures agreed by European governments for three troubled banks showed that public authorities in Europe can "live up to the task of providing financial stability", he said.



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 07:37:19 AM EST
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For about a minute seconds the BBC news ticker had a headline from the Tory conference - apparently Cameron said that 'Bankers must pay for their mistakes.'

Welcome to the new populism.

Oddly enough the comment disappeared after that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 07:59:14 AM EST
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Well, they can't hide it for long. This is from yesterday:

The Guardian: George Osborne speech: Tories promise to freeze council tax for two years (September 29 2008)

Shadow chancellor delights Tory conference with surprise promise, as he attacks Gordon Brown's economic record and delivers warning to City bankers

After criticism from commentators that the Conservatives had gone missing during the economic crisis, delegates applauded the shadow chancellor's strong warning to the City not to expect taxpayers to foot the bill if firms that paid excessive bonuses or unjustified dividends then got into difficulties.

"If you take the risks, then you must bear the costs. If you pay yourselves sums far beyond what anyone else in other walks of life earns then be prepared to lose it when you make mistakes," he said. "I will not increase taxes on families earning £20,000 a year to pay the bonuses of bankers earning £2m."



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:07:57 AM EST
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You have no idea how strange it is to watch the (alleged) Labour party flailing around and trying to protect investors while the (alleged) Tory party says it's good to eat the rich.

In other news, while the BBC tries to talk up a crash, doom, epic fail, etc, FTSE is - er - up by 0.5%.

If there's been a crash it's been a slow motion one, with the FTSE down 1500 or so over 12 months. That's really much more of a story than yesterday's little melodrama.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:22:31 AM EST
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They still want to run a program of fiscal austerity during the lean years, which will make a recession deeper.

A monetarist is a monetarist is a monetarist...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:31:55 AM EST
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The great thing about that is it gives me the opportunity to create a new concept.
We all know about the LQD, the Lazy Quote Diary.
Please welcome the LSC, the Lazy Signature Comment. Allow me to demonstrate:

"It failed because she said some unkind things about George Bush in her speech"
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:02:53 AM EST
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It's still a line they're pushing. It seems they feel that such name calling is so bad they should pull the plug.

The whole thing is getting surreal with each side trying to push the blame/credit onto the other side just in case it all goes wrong.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:35:59 AM EST
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Heh LOL. And just the other day, FT was crowing that Europe lacks 'even a bailout plan'...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:32:26 AM EST
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Spurning Secularism, Many French Muslims Find Haven in Catholic Schools - NYTimes.com

The bright cafeteria of St. Mauront Catholic School is conspicuously quiet: It is Ramadan, and 80 percent of the students are Muslim. When the lunch bell rings, girls and boys stream out past the crucifixes and the large wooden cross in the corridor, heading for Muslim midday prayer.

"There is respect for our religion here," said Nadia Oualane, 14, a student of Algerian descent who wears her hair hidden under a black head scarf. "In the public school," she added, gesturing at nearby buildings, "I would not be allowed to wear a veil."

In France, which has only four Muslim schools, some of the country's 8,847 Roman Catholic schools have become refuges for Muslims seeking what an overburdened, secularist public sector often lacks: spirituality, an environment in which good manners count alongside mathematics, and higher academic standards.

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"Laïcité has become the state's religion, and the republican school is its temple," said Imam Soheib Bencheikh, a former grand mufti in Marseille and founder of its Higher Institute of Islamic Studies. Imam Bencheikh's oldest daughter attends Catholic school.

"It's ironic," he said, "but today the Catholic Church is more tolerant of -- and knowledgeable about -- Islam than the French state."



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:02:25 AM EST
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This only strengthens my fundamental rejection of religious schools.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:36:12 AM EST
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an environment in which good manners count alongside mathematics,

Does this mean that mathematics still counts in the secular schools, or merely that the NYT is into alliteration?

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:47:37 AM EST
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what an overburdened, secularist public sector often lacks: spirituality, an environment in which good manners count alongside mathematics, and higher academic standards.

I call bullshit.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:52:54 AM EST
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Spurning Secularism, Many French Muslims Find Haven in Catholic Schools - NYTimes.com

But faith is not the only argument. Even though Ms. Hanane, who is a single mother and currently unemployed, struggles to meet the annual fee at St. Mauront of 249 euros ($364) -- unusually low, because the school receives additional state subsidies and has spartan facilities -- she said it was worth it because she did not want her children with "the wrong crowd" in the projects.

"It's expensive and sometimes it's hard, but I want my children to have a better life," Ms. Hanane said. "Today this seems to be their best shot."

Across town, in the gleaming compound housing the Sainte-Trinité high school in the wealthy neighborhood of Mazargues, the rules and conditions are different, but the arguments are similar. Muslim girls there do not wear head scarves.

But Imene Sahraoui, 17, a practicing Muslim and the daughter of an Algerian businessman and former diplomat, attends the school, above all to get top grades and move on to business school, preferably abroad.

"Public schools just don't prepare you in the same way," she said.

Fifteen of the top 20 high schools in France are Catholic schools, according to a recent ranking in the magazine L'Express. Catholic schools remain popular among Muslims even in cities where Muslim schools have sprung up: Paris, Lyon and Lille.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:11:55 AM EST
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she said it was worth it because she did not want her children with "the wrong crowd" in the projects
Ah, private schools can throw/keep problem students out, while public ones can't, which boosts their results.
Fifteen of the top 20 high schools in France are Catholic schools
Once you adjust for that I don't know that the standards are lower in the public system. They clearly are not in Spain...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:35:23 AM EST
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The "Fifteen in the top twenty" quote is semi-bullshit ; the top high schools in France are actually classified by the levels of their Classes Prépa at which the public schools do better. And the whole point of high school in a "top high school" is to get in the best Classe Prépa possible. (and Sciences Po).

The whole point of private schools in France is social segregation for those that don't have the resources to live near the best local high school (good for the relatively wealthy) nor the knowledge to manipulate the school system to send the kids to that high school (good for teachers). My wife's first foreign language was Russian for that exact purpose.

The thing is that now, in many poorer areas, a proportion of the population that is wishing for that segregation is of Arab origin (as some are now joining the middle classes). I betcha most aren't all that Muslim, and don't care about the "spirituality" of high school.

More important is the fact that private schools have a reputation for being stricter (this is achieved by excluding trouble makers rather that making them behave, often) and better teachers (which is in general false : it is easier to get a position as private school teacher than as public school teacher, in France ; better results at the Baccalauréat are achieved by forcing bad pupils to take the exams without saying which high school they come from).

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:15:19 AM EST
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The thing is that now, in many poorer areas, a proportion of the population that is wishing for that segregation is of Arab origin (as some are now joining the middle classes).

Combining your comment as well as the article, it seems they are looking for that "segregration" because (1) they believe that the Catholic schools have better quality education (whether or not that is in fact true), (2) are stricter (and do not have as many "trouble-makers), and (3) they want to attend school in environments that suppress them religiously (as they see it.)

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 07:39:38 PM EST
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I'd the crucial part is avoiding the wrong crowd. Our societies are hierarchised, and an important part of social climbing involves learning and trying to associate with those that are "higher up" rather than with those that are "below". The reasons you give are as much rationalisations as real reasons ; the most important features of private schools is that they allow this hierarchisation for those who don't have the wealth to live near the good schools nor the instutitionnal knowledge to have access to them.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 08:24:43 AM EST
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AFP via Google: France's Sarkozy battles fallout from financial crisis
France will host a meeting of European officials to prepare a summit "in the coming weeks to establish the basis of a new international financial system," said Sarkozy, whose country holds the presidency of the European Union.

Officials from Britain, France, Germany and Italy -- the EU members of the G8 -- will meet in Paris in the coming days to lay the groundwork, he said on the sidelines of an EU-India summit in the southern city of Marseille.

On Tuesday, the president is to meet at the Elysee presidential palace with banking and insurance company chiefs to take a close look at the health of French banks and review the credit level of French households and businesses



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:14:03 AM EST
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ITAR-TASS: Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero coming to Russia for visit
"The meeting, due to be held in the crucial moment in the development of the international situation, will make it possible for the two parties to discuss both bilateral relations and a wide range of international problems, including those connected with the settlement of the situation in the Caucasus," Moratinos said. He stressed in this connection that Spain continued to uphold the territorial integrity of Georgia, which he is going to visit soon. At the same time, he is the supporter of "special relations with Russia, based on an intensive dialogue with that country, which continues to be one of the key personages in the world political arena."


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:45:09 AM EST
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how interesting. I wonder if we'll see more european leaders heading in that direction ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:56:33 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:12:31 PM EST
Kidnapped European Tourists Freed in Egypt | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 29.09.2008
All 19 European tourists and Egyptians who were taken hostage by bandits in a remote Egyptian desert region 10 days ago have reportedly been freed and are in good health, Egyptian state television said Monday.

Egyptian security officials said the freed hostages were being transported by military aircraft to al Maza military airport, next to Cairo's international airport.

The reported release followed a deal struck by Egyptian security officials with the kidnappers to let the hostages go, Egyptian state television reported.

The kidnappers had demanded a six-million-euro ransom for the hostages -- to be paid by Germany -- but it is still unclear whether that ransom was indeed paid to secure Monday's release.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:24:34 PM EST
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'doin' a henry', they call it...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 08:25:30 AM EST
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Taliban murders Afghanistan's top policewoman - Asia, World - The Independent

The most prominent female police officer in Afghanistan has been murdered by the Taliban, the latest victim in a vicious campaign against women in public life by Muslim fundamentalists.

Malalai Kakar, who specialised in rescuing abused women, was shot dead outside her home in Kandahar in an attack which also left her 15-year-old son, one of her six children, critically injured.

"We killed Malalai Kakar," said a Taliban spokesman, Yousuf Ahmadi "She was our target, and we successfully eliminated our target." The Islamist group had previously carried out several unsuccessful attacks on her life, and those of her female colleagues, before yesterday's lethal ambush.

Ms Kakar, 41, carried a pistol underneath her burqa, which she wore on the way to report for duty at Kandahar's central police station in an attempt not to be recognised by the enemy. However, she had no chance to defend herself or her son when gunmen opened fire as she was leaving for work at around 7.30am, security officials said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:25:05 PM EST
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U.S. lawmakers rebel against bailout plan in close vote - International Herald Tribune

WASHINGTON: In a moment of historic drama in the U.S. Capitol and on Wall Street, the House of Representatives voted Monday to reject a $700 billion rescue of the financial industry.

The vote against the measure was 228 to 205. With just five weeks to go before presidential and congressional elections, supporters vowed to try to bring the rescue package up for consideration again as soon as possible.

Stock indexes plunged sharply on Wall Street as it appeared that the measure was going down.

House leaders pushing for the package kept the voting period open for some 40 minutes past the allotted time, trying to convert No votes by pointing to damage being done to the markets, but to no avail.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:31:27 PM EST
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ho ho ho. The plot is THICK.

Somebody AMENDED the "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008" to H.R. 3997 which has been hanging around since Oct 2007. Coulda it be Rangel hisself?! The very same Rangel who has been piloried by NYC media for the past 2 months about RE deals?!

And 3997 is a deal killer -- ostensibly a bill "to provide tax relief and protections for military personnel" Internal Revenue Code of 1986, it pretty much crimminalizes S-corp tax scofflaws among "other purposes".

See thomas.gov. The Paulson hardly-known-as-Dodd bill has "front page" status.

ROLL CALL is yet to be reported, but recess until 18 Jan 2009 has commenced. They voted. They also voted a 3.9% COLA for themselves in the budget appropriation.

One more thang, partisans.

AP:Chances are neither presidential candidate will be affected. Republican John McCain has taken credit for helping broker a deal_even though he never sat in on congressional negotiations and is not a member of the Banking Committee.

Barack Obama issued a statement of principles last week, and declared victory Sunday. He praised the tougher supervision of the rescue plan, aid to homeowners faced with foreclosure and the executive pay limits.

despite having supported Paulson "modernization" principles (§105(c) Regulatory Modernization Report) the stump alllll year ...

"They are identical to the things I called for the day (Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson ) released his package," Obama said. "That I think is an indication of the degree to which when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions."

But Democratic staffers familiar with the congressional talks say that neither Obama nor his staff had any significant involvement in shaping the package, and that all several Democrats as well as some Republicans championed the items he praised.

Those yellow-bellied Blue Dogs will be back with President Obama to front them, all shiny-like new.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:02:27 PM EST
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And here I always thought it was the job of the Fed head to take away the punchbowl.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 03:34:06 AM EST
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Reaching for the Right Levers to Ease an Anxious Situation - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON -- For the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department, the crisis continues

Without the broad bailout plan they invented and lobbied hard for, the two agencies are once again forced to careen from one desperate path to another, and to dig deep into their toolkits to rescue the global financial system. Even before the House stunned the world on Monday by rejecting the Bush administration's bailout bill, the Fed was already resorting to the oldest action in its book: printing money.

With money markets around the world seizing in fear, the Fed on Monday announced that it would provide an extra $150 billion through an emergency lending program for banks, and an additional $330 billion through so-called swap lines with foreign central banks to help money markets from Europe to Asia.

It was an extraordinary display of financial power, and it reflected acute new anxiety at the Fed and central banks around the world that the crisis of confidence in American financial markets had metastasized to money markets everywhere.

That was on top of the $230 billion the Fed borrowed last week so it could finance its previous efforts to prop up the American International Group and other institutions. But these are only the latest in a long series of jaw-dropping departures from normal policy that the Fed has undertaken this year as it seeks to inject vast amounts of capital into the financial system. And they are unlikely to be the last.



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 03:35:49 AM EST
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General David Petraeus applies pressure for more Nato troops in Afghanistan - Telegraph
The American military commander Gen David Petraeus stepped up the pressure for extra troops to fight in Afghanistan after British commanders ruled out reinforcements.

Speaking after talks with the Prime Minister, the American military chief bluntly called on Nato countries to contribute more to the Afghan campaign at a time when the Taliban are resurgent.

Gen Petraeus said it was up to Nato member states to reinforce Afghanistan. "Now it is up to national capitals and the alliance to determine how to generate the additional force," he said. "I think it is up to the coalition how to source the forces."

Standing next to the head of the Armed Forces Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, he said Britain had "responded with a very good contribution" by doubling its force in the last two years to 8,000.

It appears the Americans have accepted that efforts by the Pentagon to strong-arm the Ministry of Defence into sending an extra brigade into Helmand province have failed.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:35:29 PM EST
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We have the money - Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs
There has been much moaning, air-sucking and outrage about the US$700 billion that the US government is throwing away on rich New York bankers who have been ripping us off for the past few years and then letting greed drive their businesses into a variety of ditches. In fact, we dole out similar amounts of money every year in the form of payoffs to the armed services, the military-industrial complex, and powerful senators and representatives allied with the Pentagon.

On Wednesday, September 24, right in the middle of the fight over billions of taxpayer dollars slated to bail out Wall Street, the House of Representatives passed a $612 billion defense authorization bill for 2009 without a murmur of public protest or any meaningful press comment at all. (The New York Times gave the matter only three short paragraphs buried in a story about another appropriations measure.) and Afghanistan, which is only a down payment on the full yearly cost of these wars. (The rest will be raised through future supplementary bills.) It also included a 3.9% pay raise for military personnel, and $5 billion in pork-barrel projects not even requested by the administration or Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

It also fully funds the Pentagon's request for a radar site in the Czech republic, a hare-brained scheme sure to infuriate the Russians just as much as a Russian missile base in Cuba once infuriated us. The whole bill passed by a vote of 392-39 and will fly through the senate, where a similar bill has already been approved. And no one will even think to mention it in the same breath with the discussion of bailout funds for dying investment banks and the like.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:43:22 PM EST
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With All Eyes on the Bailout, House Passes Trillion-Dollar Defense Bill | Corporate Accountability and WorkPlace | AlterNet

On Wednesday, the House passed a mammoth defense bill by a 392-39 vote. It's expected to clear the Senate with little difficulty next week.

It was part of a trillion-dollar stop-gap measure to keep programs running through next March, allowing lawmakers to skip town without passing a final budget. The Associated Press reports, "The legislation came together in a remarkably secret process that concentrated decision-making power in the hands of a few lawmakers."

In keeping with the tradition of recent years, Bush held a gun to his own head and threatened to pull the trigger if his demands weren't met. According to the AP, "To earn President Bush's signature rather than a veto, House and Senate negotiators dropped several provisions he opposed. They include a ban on private interrogators in U.S. military detention facilities and what would have amounted to congressional veto power over a security pact with Iraq."

In other words, Congress also maintained recent tradition, swearing not to give Bush a blank check and then whipping out their pens and signing a blank check.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 01:44:52 AM EST
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That just baffles me.
He has no popularity, no credibility, he ought to be the lamest of ducks. And those provisions were absolutely vital -specifically, even more vital with Bushists in power (and I am still not 100% sure that the November election will take place -they might be that desperate).

Why not challenge him to veto on unbelievable grounds?

Kind of like his party, who came out with the howler that is my signature at the moment...

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:04:25 AM EST
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and I am still not 100% sure that the November election will take place

[Millman's Get A Grip Technologytm]

This is all much bigger than the mere politicians who happen to be in Washington at the moment.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:20:30 AM EST
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Because they are all scared of being accused of "wanting to lose" in the run-up to the elections. that was McCain's line against Obama and he still seems confused it went nowhere.

The Dems also know that, even if they refused the bill, Bush would rather the troops starved than stop his pointless war and they know he can't spend all the money before February unless he invades Iran so nothing they do will make any effective difference. Better to pass the damn bill and sort it out when they're in a position to do something about the whole mess.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:38:55 AM EST
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Venezuela, Russia consider nuclear deal | The Australian

VENEZUELAN President Hugo Chavez said today that he was interested in accepting Russia's offer of help in developing a civilian nuclear power program.

"We certainly are interested in developing nuclear energy, for peaceful ends of course - for medical purposes and to generate electricity,'' he said.

"Brazil has various nuclear reactors, as does Argentina,'' he added. "We will have ours as well,'' he said upon his return from a tour in China and Russia.

His remarks followed comments from Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in Moscow Thursday that Russia was "ready to consider the possibility'' of nuclear energy co-operation with Caracas.

Moscow and Caracas have boosted ties in recent weeks following sharp US criticism of Russia's incursion into Georgia, with Moscow dispatching long-range bombers and warships to Venezuela for exercises near US waters.

During his global tour, Chavez forged key military and energy co-operation deals which analysts said seemed likely to put him on dangerous footing with the United States.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:03:08 PM EST
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Bill Clinton on the Banking Crisis, McCain, and Hillary
MARIA BARTIROMO: Mr. President, in 1999 you signed a bill essentially rolling back Glass-Steagall and deregulating banking. In light of what has gone on, do you regret that decision?

FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: No, because it wasn't a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter. But I have really thought about this a lot. I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch (MER) by Bank of America (BAC), which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill.

Phil Gramm, who was then the head of the Senate Banking Committee and until recently a close economic adviser of Senator McCain, was a fierce proponent of banking deregulation. Did he sell you a bill of goods?

Not on this bill I don't think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can't possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I'd be glad to look at the evidence. But I can't blame [the Republicans]. This wasn't something they forced me into. I really believed that given the level of oversight of banks and their ability to have more patient capital, if you made it possible for [commercial banks] to go into the investment banking business as Continental European investment banks could always do, that it might give us a more stable source of long-term investment.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 07:32:10 PM EST
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Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch (MER) by Bank of America (BAC), which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn't signed that bill.

However, that resulted in a mammoth, and a further voiding of the separation of investment and normal banking, so no, I don't think Clinton has any reason to applaud this rescue.

he can't possibly be wrong about everything

Why not?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 02:45:00 AM EST
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DoDo: However, that resulted in a mammoth, and a further voiding of the separation of investment and normal banking, so no, I don't think Clinton has any reason to applaud this rescue.

But then that raises the question: What is the greater evil, the resulting mammoth, or the stability that this mammoth (supposedly) has provided?

Also, he says:

I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis.

While of course it's clear how signing that bill brought about the further voiding of the separation of investment and normal banking, I am still not clear on how it contributed to the current crisis.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:39:35 AM EST
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marco: But then that raises the question: What is the greater evil, the resulting mammoth, or the stability that this mammoth (supposedly) has provided?

I meant:  What is the greater evil, the resulting mammoth, or the instability that it (supposedly) prevented?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:54:00 AM EST
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The resulting mammoth: it is vulnerable to producing even greater instability.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:39:23 AM EST
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Also, he says:
I don't see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis.
While of course it's clear how signing that bill brought about the further voiding of the separation of investment and normal banking, I am still not clear on how it contributed to the current crisis.
It poisoned the balance sheets of depository institutions by allowing them to access the capital markets like investment houses.

In addition, it encouraged lenders to move to a business model in which they fund their long-term lending with short-term borrowing in the capital markets instead of from deposits or other long-term liabilities. The result is that the entire banking system (and not just the investment houses) became hugely vulnerable to an economic downturn (reversal of the yield curve) by developing large duration mismatches in their balance sheets.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:57:16 AM EST
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Thanks very much.

Migeru: It poisoned the balance sheets of depository institutions by allowing them to access the capital markets like investment houses.

Do IndyMac, Washington Mutual and Wachovia fall in this category, and if so, would Glass-Steagall have directly prevented any of them from getting into this sort of trouble?

And sorry for asking such basic questions, but by "lenders" in your second paragraph you are referring to depository institutions in particular (as opposed to investment houses), is that right?  In other words, while investment houses could fund their long-term lending in this way under Glass-Steagall, depository institutions could only do this after Glass-Steagall was repealed, and then became similarly liable to developing large duration mismatches as well?

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 06:36:40 AM EST
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