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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:49:23 PM EST
BBC NEWS | The Reporters | Mark Mardell

Barroso is talking to Downing Street about a replacement now. It's not Hoon, and not Hewitt but it will be a woman. If Beckett is going back to the cabinet, I am rather left scratching my head.

UPDATE 10:45AM: The other women at cabinet level at the moment are Hazel Blears, Jacqui Smith, Yvette Cooper and Baroness Ashton. Outside the cabinet, Baroness Vadera is very close to Brown and has a strong business background. Any other thoughts?

UPDATE: 01:00PM: Baroness Ashton is confirmed as Mandelson's replacement.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:51:17 PM EST
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Brussels anger at top Europe trade job for Baroness of One Parent Families | Mail Online

Gordon Brown's decision to replace Peter Mandelson as European Trade Commissioner with a little-known Labour peer ran into trouble last night.

Mr Mandelson's abrupt departure from his vital world trade role stunned Brussels and sparked protests that his replacement, Baroness Ashton, is not up to the job.

Tories yesterday vowed to challenge the appointment, while European Parliament sources said that officials were 'truly shocked' that Mr Brown was sending an 'inexperienced' Labour peer to fill Mr Mandelson's shoes.

The Prime Minister had been widely expected to choose seasoned Cabinet Minister and former Euro-MP Geoff Hoon for the Brussels job.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:51:35 PM EST
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Is the choice genuine incompetence on Brown or is he just giving the EU the finger?
by Nomad on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:59:39 AM EST
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Just shows his priorities, but also he needs all the help he can assemble at home and he's running out of people. There were rumours that a number of ministers were planning a mass resignation when Brown reshuffled his cabinet, which was supposed to happen soon. This lady may be the best person he can afford to spare.


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 04:27:07 AM EST
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I agree. He's running out of people cos the blairite putsch removed all orginal intelligences from the Labour party.

Hutton was the logical replacement, a mad Thatcherite de-regulation globalisation-first neocon, but he's been sent to defence. Quite why Hoon had to be moved is beyond me, totally ineffectual and discredited he was at least at the point of "least harm". But he was no threat and so, as a pawn, could be moved around to other untaxing positions with relative ease.

But the only other people Brown could have sent he needs at Treasury to provide neo-conservative spine for Darling's ineffectual dithering.

wonder if he'll just send someone from the CBI, might as well.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 07:22:13 AM EST
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German Politicians Say Bank Managers Should Be Held Liable | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 05.10.2008
Politicians from Germany's governing parties said bank managers should be held responsible if their institution gets into trouble. Meanwhile, Berlin called for a solution after the collapse of Hypo Real Estate's bailout.

"In the US, managers are held liable with their private assets. We should also do that in Germany," Andrea Nahles, deputy chairwoman for the Social Democratic Part, told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday, Oct. 5.

Hans-Peter Friedrich from the Christian Social Union -- sister party to Chancellor Angela Merkel's CDU -- also said managers should be taken to task, but added that personal liability should be limited to twice the annual salary.

"It can't be that managers, of banks for example, are only rarely held liable for damage they cause," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:52:03 PM EST
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European leaders reject broad bailout but promise unity - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: After days of squabbling, the leaders of the largest European economies vowed to work together to stop a growing financial panic, but they failed to offer a systemwide answer to a credit crisis that has required them to bail out several banks in just the past week.

Though they did not agree on a broad bailout along the lines of the $700 billion package that President George W. Bush signed into law Friday, the leaders of France, Germany, Britain and Italy pledged Saturday to prevent a bankruptcy on this side of the Atlantic like the one that brought down Lehman Brothers, the U.S. investment bank.

Even as they did so, the German property lender Hypo Real Estate said it was "fighting for survival" after a government-backed rescue unraveled, and Belgium was seeking a buyer for what remained of the beleaguered bank and insurance group Fortis after the rest had been nationalized by the Dutch government, Reuters reported.

Sharply criticizing what they said were the American roots of what has become a global credit crisis, the European leaders insisted it was time for the European Union to act decisively.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:53:26 PM EST
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Financial Crises Spread in Europe - NYTimes.com

"First we had economic integration, then we had monetary integration," said Sylvester Eijffinger, a member of the monetary expert panel advising the European parliament. "But we never developed the parallel political and regulatory integration that would allow us to face a crisis like the one we are facing today," he added.

In Brussels, Daniel Gros, director of the Center for European Policy Studies, agreed. "Maybe they will be shocked into thinking more strategically instead of running behind events," he said. "The later you come, the higher the bill."

While the European Central Bank has power over interest rates and broader monetary policy, it was never granted parallel oversight of private banks, leaving that task to dozens of regulators across the Continent.

This patchwork system includes national central banks in each of the euro-zone's 15 members and they still retain broad powers within their own borders, further complicating any regional approach to problem-solving.

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Optimists say one potential long-term benefit from the current turmoil is that it often takes a crisis to propel European integration forward.

"Progress in Europe is usually the result of a crisis," Mr. Eijffinger said. "This could be one of those rare moments in E.U. history."



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 10:40:48 PM EST
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Eu leaders call for global solution to credit crisis - Europe, World - The Independent

Britain, France, Germany and Italy have called for an international conference "as soon as possible" to consider sweeping reforms of the global finance system.

The move was announced after an emergency summit in Paris at which Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the leaders of France, Germany and Italy vowed to lead the way in restoring confidence and stability in the European economy - and urged the rest of the world to do the same.

They want the international conference to be convened before the end of next month, and its task, said French President Nicolas Sarkozy, would be to revive the current finance system set up at the Bretton Woods Conference 60 years ago, which created the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

President Sarkozy called the three-and-a-half hour conference to bring together the four EU countries which belong to the G8 group of most industrialised countries.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:55:13 PM EST
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Financial crisis: Gordon Brown leads €15bn package for small firms - Telegraph
Gordon Brown agreed a deal with his European counterparts to help small businesses by urgently releasing the European Investment Bank's full €15bn fund to ease the lending freeze at banks.

At an emergency summit of European leaders in Paris, the prime minister led the charge for immediate access to be made to the fund, which was designed by the EIB last month to be released gradually over the next two years.

Brown argued that the crisis in the banks had meant crucial lending lines to small businesses were drying up.

A Number 10 spokesperson said: "What's important is for governments to act now to help small and medium businesses cope with the need for credit and that's why we're asking for the EIB to bring forward this €15bn."

The deal comes as a co-ordinated EU bank bailout package similar to the one in the United States looks increasingly unlikely, according to insiders.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:58:40 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | Germany acts to guarantee savings

Chancellor Angela Merkel has announced that Germany will guarantee all private savings accounts, as a major bank struggles to stay in business.

Ms Merkel was speaking after an emergency meeting with the central bank and financial regulator.

Hypo Real Estate, Germany's second biggest commercial property lender, is in trouble after a 35bn euros ($48bn; £27.2bn) rescue plan collapsed.

Hypo has said it will study alternative measures to fund its business.

Ms Merkel had previously been strongly critical of the Irish and Greek governments' decisions to take independent action to protect all savings deposits.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:59:47 PM EST
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oops, you beat me to it....
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:11:54 PM EST
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Danish government guarantees bank deposits

The Danish government said this morning it has guaranteed all private bank deposits in Denmark as part of a deal with banks to set up a 35 billion Danish crown (€4.7 billion) liquidation fund.

Until now, deposits in Danish banks had been guaranteed up to 300,000 crowns (€40,000).

In return for the government guarantee, banks agreed to pay up to 35 billion crowns over two years in a liquidation fund that could take over distressed institutions to avoid losses to depositors and certain creditors.

by det on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 02:08:51 AM EST
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Treasury anger at German savings move | Business | The Guardian

The Treasury was under pressure last night to guarantee the savings of all depositors in British banks after Germany announced it was following the lead of Ireland and Greece and offering a blanket guarantee on all savings - currently worth €568bn (£440bn). Late last night Denmark followed suit.

Britain had just agreed to raise its maximum level from £35,000 to £50,000, but may now need to take more radical steps to avoid a flight of savings.

British officials were furious with the German chancellor, Angela Merkel. They said she gave no indication of the move at a summit in Paris on Saturday designed to coordinate a European response to the economic crisis. The Treasury was last night trying to establish the implications of the German move



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:37:57 AM EST
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Empty ATMs are pretty disturbing. When people start to bunker cash in notes at home, the gov't has to act.
The comparison with Ireland is in so far not correct, as the German gov't guaranteed only private, none-corporate, deposits, while the Irish guaranteed not only deposits, but the debt of the banks on top of it. Overall the sum of the guarantees in Germany and Ireland is similar (because of the more people in Germany).

Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:25:12 AM EST
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"In the US, managers are held liable with their private assets. We should also do that in Germany," Andrea Nahles, deputy chairwoman for the Social Democratic Part, told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper on Sunday, Oct. 5.
As a US citizen, I am very glad to hear this and am looking forward to hearing how much is recovered from these miscreants.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:05:59 PM EST
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Now, I have a question: is that true, or an urban legend?
I keep hearing things like that, usually in a demonstration that everything is great in USA whereas France is so corrupt and irresponsible that we should be considered a third-world country. But I keep noticing that major cases of frauds seem to have happened in the US, and that crazy risk seem more prevalent over there, with few managers having had to give back bonuses that they made on super-short term conditions.

My guess is that 'liable' has a rather restricted meaning there -specifically, not applicable to any of the problems that we are facing right now.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 05:58:24 PM EST
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I don't know if banks are different from regular corporations, but the executives of regular corporations are only indirectly affected by leadership failure. They have to stay within the law, of course, so they can't go to Wall Street and say that everying in the company is fine when they know it's collapsing, and they can't sell stock when they know a quarter is going to be bad. But if they operate the company in a legal way and then exercise a golden parachute upon leaving, then the only real punishment they get if the company subsequently goes broke is that their huge stock options aren't worth much
by asdf on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 07:21:19 PM EST
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I was being sarcastic in my response above.  I have no expectation that US bank managers will face any consequences. This is not an area of my expertise and I would be delighted to be found wrong.

While vice presidents and higher officers of corporations are empowered to sign contracts and go to jail on behalf of the corporation, they have to commit a criminal offense to be eligible for jail.  Civil proceedings could result in fines and judgments.  To go after an officer or director personally for actions taken in their official capacity would require showing justification for "piercing the corporate veil."  This limitation of liability is the chief raison d'être for corporations.  My sense is that the current Supreme Court would have great difficulty finding any circumstances that would justify that.  Again I would be happy to be wrong.  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 08:25:14 PM EST
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The only case in recent memory that I can recall this even being considered was Ken Lay - and even that became impossible when the bastard died.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:39:49 AM EST
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Fran:
"In the US, managers are held liable with their private assets.

wha?

i wish...

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 06:53:57 AM EST
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In the States, the techno term to look up is "corporate veil". Typically, unless fraud, the corporate entity is assailable as itself, but the execs and board of directors are unassailable as individuals.

There was a time in the 80s when it was tough to get people to serve on your board unless you got a lot of insurance to protect them -  someone had learned to pierce the corporate veil and attack the results of their decisions. The laws have since been changed.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 07:41:48 AM EST
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Steinmeier: Turkey Needs to Do More for EU Membership | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 05.10.2008
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier said further reforms were necessary to put Turkey on the path to European Union membership. He also urged the country to do more to resolve conflicts in the Middle East.

Steinmeier on Saturday, Oct. 4, said Turkey had achieved much in modernizing the country, "but perhaps still not enough to warrant a final decision for accession." The country needed to make progress in ensuring freedom of expression and the rights of women and children.

He was speaking in Hanover on Hannah Arendt Day, a commemoration of the Jewish philosopher born in the city in 1906. The event this year posed the question: Where is Turkey going?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:52:20 PM EST
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Spain to Grant First Official Recognition to Franco's Victims | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 04.10.2008
The Spanish government has approved four decrees aimed at recognizing the suffering of the leftist victims of the 1936-39 civil war and the subsequent dictatorship of General Francisco Franco.

Those jailed, tortured or forced to work in labor camps, their relatives, or relatives of executed people will be able to apply for a document which gives them no monetary rights, but constitutes the first official recognition of their status as victims.

In addition, certain families which have not already received any economic damages under other laws can also seek a compensation of 135,000 euros ($185,000).

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:53:04 PM EST
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Brussels on strike on Monday - EUobserver
Public rail and urban transport in Brussels will be on strike for 24 hours starting Sunday 5 October, 10 pm. Thalys, Eurostar, Belgian railways and Brussels local transport are affected by the nationwide industrial action in Belgium.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:53:51 PM EST
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Russian troops start dismantling posts in Georgia - International Herald Tribune

NADARBAZEVI, Georgia: Russian troops began dismantling positions Sunday in the so-called security zones inside Georgia they have occupied since August's brief but intense war, a Georgian Interior Ministry official said.

The moves came as Russia faced a Friday deadline for pulling back its troops under terms of a deal brokered by French President Nicolas Sarkozy on behalf of the European Union. Hundreds of EU observers began monitoring Russia's compliance with the pact last week.

Russia and Georgia went to war in early August after Georgia launched a massive barrage on the capital of South Ossetia, one of two Georgian separatist regions where Russia has troops stationed as peacekeepers. Russian forces then declared what it called a security zone roughly seven kilometers (four miles) deep inside Georgia south of South Ossetia and the other separatist region, Abkhazia.

The EU-brokered agreement obliges Russia to pull its troops out of the zones by Friday, but Russia says it plans to keep thousands of troops inside Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Russia recognized the independence of both regions after the fighting, a moved denounced by Georgia and the West; only Nicaragua and the Hamas government in Gaza have followed suit with recognition so far.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:54:10 PM EST
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Berlusconi says 'Basta!' to do-nothing civil servants - Europe, World - The Independent
But sackings and mandatory medical checks may not be enough to change a culture of calling in sick and moonlighting

A revolution is under way in Italy: civil servants are turning up for work.

Silvio Berlusconi's minister for public administration, Renato Brunetta, a professor of labour economics sometimes described as the only Thatcherite in Italy, was crowing on radio last week about his success in persuading the "millions" of civil servants he claims are fannulloni, literally "do-nothings", to mend their ways.

"In the past few months there has been a drop of nearly 50 per cent in absence from work on account of sickness [among public employees]," he claimed. And, referring to the southern Italian saint celebrated for healing the incurably sick, he boasted: "I'm better than Padre Pio."

The son of a poor Venetian pedlar, Mr Brunetta, who is even shorter than Mr Berlusconi, is one of the more impressive performers in the media mogul's Cabinet, and made a blistering start earlier this year when he launched a campaign to cure chronic skiving among Italy's 3.65 million state employees.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:54:46 PM EST
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Bouvard et Pecuchet. The triumph of stupidity. Italy's crisis is due to skiving. A million rotten apples. Everyone else is honest and hard working, especially Berlusconi and Brunetta.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:02:19 PM EST
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I suppose their functions could be performed much more economically by one of Mr. B's many companies, or even by one he forms just for that purpose.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:10:19 PM EST
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That would be a conflict of interest. As far as the postal system goes, during his last tenure he put together an exclusive contract between the postal banking system and his own bank.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 01:12:01 AM EST
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have been waived by voters (or so goes B.'s theory)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 05:35:00 AM EST
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John Rentoul: Whatever this is, it isn't serious politics - John Rentoul, Commentators - The Independent
Gordon Brown's reshuffle measures up neither to the demands of the hour nor the challenge posed by the Conservative Party

Gordon Brown was hailed as the great strategist but Peter Mandelson's recall reveals the Prime Minister as simply tricksy. The Government is bereft of policy substance - outflanked for the second conference season running by George Osborne, who again identified an unpopular tax and announced a plan to which Alistair Darling will have to respond. So Brown resorted to personnel changes as a way of delivering a shock to expectations. I suspect that it will end in tears, but not for the reasons that dominated the early reaction of journalists unable quite to believe their luck in having the Prince's tail to tweak again.

Peter Mandelson is far from the scheming and manipulative politician of popular caricature. I defer to no one in my respect for his ability as a minister. He was admired and even loved by civil servants: clever, direct, hard-working and fun to work for. As European Commissioner he has proved himself a tireless negotiator and a fine advocate of free and fair markets. The Doha trade liberalisation talks failed despite his efforts, not because of them.

No, the downsides of Mandelson's appointment do not arise out of who he is but of who Brown is. The Prime Minister thinks he has done something clever. Gordon Brown knows that Mandelson's reputation with the media and the general public is unflattering. He knows that he has offended the Daily Mail. He knows that most voters will regard Mandelson's return with bafflement tinged with hostility. But he thinks that this is a price worth paying for the advantages. Of course, those advantages include Mandelson's experience as a player on the global economic stage. But Brown also thinks that he is buying off the Blairites in the Government.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:55:44 PM EST
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Mandelson: 'I'm joined at the hip with PM' | Politics | The Observer

Peter Mandelson yesterday buried the threat of a Blairite coup against Gordon Brown, declaring he was 'joined at the hip' to the Prime Minister, who would lead Labour into the next election.

He spoke as it emerged that Brown had been snubbed by Jon Cruddas, the left-wing standard bearer and former deputy leadership challenger, who yesterday rejected several offers of a government job. His decision to remain on the back benches has scuppered plans for a 'unity government' representing all strands of party thinking.

However, Mandelson's intervention in effect confirms that the leadership ambitions of David Miliband are dead in the water, with Tony Blair's inner circle rallying around the Prime Minister at a time of economic and political crisis. The new Business Secretary took the job only after gaining Blair's approval for the move.

In an interview with The Observer, Mandelson insisted that he and Brown had 'never entirely lost our friendship' and said he had been at times 'a bit combative, probably a bit prickly', but suggested the past should be left behind.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:56:01 PM EST
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(Relatively unlearned in UK politics so may be completely wrong.)

Seems to this observer Labour's rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, as they have been doing for some time, is one thing; nailing one's foot to the deck jumps to a whole new level of political suicide.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:32:48 PM EST
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nanne:
Basically, what I'm saying is that at this point the Labour Party is an organisation with rather limited human resources. I don't doubt that they have some members that might be better. But it's likely that those don't want to come forward because the Brown government has become toxic. So, you get a rule of dilletantes with questionable competence and/or large flaws in terms of their public ethics.

It's a very real kind of rot. And it's self-reinforcing.


There's another 'tada' moment.

I don't get what the Observer is saying about Miliband. And I suspect it's part of a kind of bullshit behind the curtains speculation that the political press often indulges in.

I've said this before. If Miliband has any kind of political smarts, he'll wait for the old guard to get blown away at the next elections, and then lead the opposition. If he wanted to get the leadership now, he'd have to have grave delusions of grandeur to want to take the tories on in an environment where everyone wants to get rid of Labour, Nu- or old. Far better opportunities to redefine the party after the next elections, too.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 06:26:24 PM EST
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I must admit I'm kinda baffled that anyone would want the Labor leadership now

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 05:37:06 AM EST
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well from his deferent act (fooled no-one) at the convention, i think he's come to the same conclusion!

Peace is not the absence of war -- peace is the absence of fear. Ursula Franklin
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 06:59:30 AM EST
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I'm not sure what comment you're referring to regarding Milliband, but in firing off a trial rocket he more of less blew-up on the launch pad. I think that there is an awareness now that whatever guise Labour assumes after the next election, it will be far from the blair-ite right wing economic concensus. Which rules out Milliband's more-of-the-same.

If the labour party had any guts the next leader will be Jon Cruddas. not because he can win, but he will create an environment where alternatives to the Blair/brown/neocon ideology can at last breath and develop ideas and win support. This is currently impossible.

As you say, they've starved themsleves of talent, relying on a narrow base of like minded apparatchiks incapable of dealing with this new environment.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 07:37:24 AM EST
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Well, if you look at the reporting around the supposed leadership challenge to Brown, it's thin stuff that has been hyped a lot. All the political press has is that there is a circle of Blair sympathisers who have supposedly egged Miliband on to go for the challenge, and a few mildly ambiguous statements by Brown and Miliband that could be interpreted as sniping.

I mean, the guy publishes a (mostly general, vague, empty) op-ed about the direction of Labour in the guardian which does not mention Brown, and the entire political press immediately starts falling over themselves. Because they have nothing better to write about than the hidden inner workings of the Labour party, presumably.

What the Labour party should do if it has guts is eliminating its dated rules and holding an open ballot runoff election amongst its members.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 08:46:31 AM EST
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Yes, that Guardian article is the trial rocket that blew up on the launch pad. It just went nowhere and I think he's feeling a little bit humiliated at how few people actually took him seriously.

Even tho' the media paid him the courtesy of reporting his stuff as tho' it were a proper contribution to the debate, I think they realised very quickly that it was just vacuous Blairite twaddle at a time when the party was quite obviously looking for new ideas. It the very obviousness of this desire to break with the blairite ideology that brought right wing neocons like John Hutton out screaming against those who "wish to turn the clock back", such language exposing himself as an unreconstructed thatcherite.

It's all very well to talk about processes and elections, but behind the personalities must be ideas. Right now, economically the Labour party has no ideas, no debate except those which have been demonstrated to destruction. They need to find alternatives to the neocon concensus and right now they don't have a clue. So an election right now will focus on the wrong things and be an exercise in pointless vindictiveness.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:42:26 AM EST
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Poland leaves Iraq but doesn't give up helping US - Yahoo! News

DIWANIYAH, Iraq - Poland turned over control of an area south of Baghdad to American troops on Saturday, making it the latest in a string of countries to leave the dwindling U.S.-led coalition.

But even as Polish troops head home from Iraq, their government is boosting troop levels in Afghanistan and preparing for a U.S. missile defense base in Poland.

As a band played Poland's anthem, Polish soldiers hoisted their nation's red and white flag on a parade field at their main base, Camp Echo, just outside of Diwaniyah.

Maj. Gen. Andrzej Malinowski, the top Polish commander in Iraq, then knelt on the gravel-covered field and ceremoniously kissed a sky blue banner with the words "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and the image of a dove.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:57:44 PM EST
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European standoff over search engine data - International Herald Tribune

BERLIN: For more than a year, European data privacy officials have been battling with U.S. Internet search engines, trying to get them to conform to European restrictions on the storage of personal information gleaned from the Web.

Now, as the U.S. titans Google, Microsoft and Yahoo continue to retain personal data beyond the six-month time limit established this year by the European Commission, regulators say their patience is running thin.

"For the moment, Google refuses to submit to European data protection law," said Alex Türk, the French data protection chief, who is also the chairman of a European Commission working group on the issue. "Despite some progress, significant work must still be carried out to guarantee the rights of Internet users and to ensure the respect of their privacy."

The dispute centers on the search engines' practice of collecting demographic details from users, which the Internet companies argue is needed to fine-tune searches, guard against fraud and aim relevant advertising at Web surfers.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:01:09 PM EST
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Yeah, and if Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo continue to break the law, then the EU will speak very, very sharply to them.
by asdf on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 07:23:03 PM EST
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Well, they sure kicked Micro$oft's but pretty good:

European Union Microsoft competition case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In December 2005 the EU announced that it believed Microsoft did not comply fully with the ruling, stating that the company did not disclose appropriate information about its server programs. The EU said that it would begin to fine Microsoft €2 million (US$3.20 million or £1.53 million) a day until it did so.[12] Microsoft stated in June 2006 that it had begun to provide the EU with the requested information, but according to the BBC the EU stated that it was too late.[13]

On 12 July 2006, the EU fined Microsoft for an additional €280.5 million (US$448.58 million), €1.5 million (US$2.39 million) per day from 16 December 2005 to 20 June 2006. The EU threatened to increase the fine to €3 million ($4.80 million) per day on 31 July 2006 if Microsoft did not comply by then.[14]

On 17 September 2007, Microsoft lost their appeal against the European Commission's case. The €497 million fine was upheld, as were the requirements regarding server interoperability information and bundling of Media Player. In addition, Microsoft has to pay 80 percent of the legal costs of the Commission, while the Commission has to pay 20 percent of the legal costs by Microsoft. However, the appeal court rejected the Commission ruling that an independent monitoring trustee should have unlimited access to internal company organization in the future.[15][16] On 22 October 2007, Microsoft announced that it would comply and not appeal the decision any more,[17] and Microsoft did not appeal within the required two months as of 17 November 2007.[18]

[...]

On 27 February 2008, the EU fined Microsoft an additional €899 million (US$1.44 billion) for failure to comply with the March 2004 antitrust decision. This represents the largest penalty ever imposed in 50 years of EU competition policy. This latest decision follows a prior €280.5 million fine for non-compliance, covering the period from June 21, 2006 until October 21, 2007.[20] On 9 May 2008 Microsoft lodged an appeal in the European Court of First Instance seeking to overturn the €899 million fine, officially stating that it intended to use the action as a "constructive effort to seek clarity from the court".[21]



"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:20:29 AM EST
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So the EU fined them in 2005 and microsof are still fighting them through the courts.

What's the statue of limitations on this ? I can see an Exxon Valdez situation developing where it gets tied up in courts until people just get bored or a change of administration lets the guilty party off with the apocryphal "severe talking-to"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 07:42:29 AM EST
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Microsoft paid the first fine and has now received a second, larger one.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 08:25:10 AM EST
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AFP | Germany guarantees savings as Merkel pushes bank rescue

BERLIN (AFP) -- Germany extended a blanket guarantee to all private bank deposits Sunday as Chancellor Angela Merkel said her government was scrambling to salvage a rescue plan for the country's fourth biggest bank.
Finance ministry spokesman Torsten Albig told AFP that the unlimited guarantee would cover all Germans' personal deposits as Berlin moved to shore up confidence amid a spreading financial crisis.
Merkel told reporters earlier the government was "pulling out all the stops" to save stricken Hypo Real Estate (HRE) after a banking consortium withdrew from a 35-billion-euro (48-billion-dollar) rescue plan late Saturday.
"The government says today that we will not allow an institution's crisis to become a crisis for the entire system," the conservative leader said.
But hitting back at accusations that the government is preparing to bail out fat cats at average citizens' expense, Merkel warned that "those who did irresponsible business will be held accountable".
"We owe that to the taxpayers in Germany," she said.
In a bid to head off panic withdrawals, Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck assured that German bank account holders need not worry about losing a "single euro" in the crisis.
"That is an important message intended to create calm and not reactions that would be disproportional and make the current crisis management and crisis prevention even more difficult," he said, flanked by Merkel at the chancellery.
Business daily Handelsblatt said in an advance copy of its Monday issue that the value of the guaranteed savings and checking accounts would total 568 billion euros.

by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:01:44 PM EST
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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:07:27 PM EST
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yep, got me while writing it...   ;-)
by gioele (gioele(daught)sandler(aaaattttt)gmail(daught)kom) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:13:06 PM EST
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BNP Paribas to Buy Fortis Units for EU14.5 Billion | Bloomberg.com

BNP Paribas SA, France's biggest bank, agreed to take control of Fortis in Belgium and Luxembourg for 14.5 billion euros ($19.8 billion), completing a breakup of the lender after a government rescue failed.

BNP Paribas will pay 9 billion euros in stock and 5.5 billion euros in cash for 75 percent of Fortis Bank Belgium, all of the Belgian insurance operations, and 67 percent of Fortis's bank in Luxembourg, the Paris-based bank said in a e-mailed statement today.



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 02:12:35 AM EST
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Datenklau bei Telekom - Obermann entschuldigt sich - Wirtschaft - sueddeutsche.deData theft at Telekom - Obermann apologizes
Nach dem beispiellosen Diebstahl von 17 Millionen Kundendaten bei T-Mobile hat Telekom-Chef René Obermann die Kunden um Entschuldigung gebeten. "Wir können uns bei unseren Kunden nur entschuldigen", sagte er der Bild am Sonntag.Following the unprecedented theft of 17 million customer data records at T-Mobile, Telekom CEO has asked the customers for their forgiveness. "We can only apologize to our customers," he told Bild am Sonntag.
"Das Ganze ist ein sehr ärgerlicher Vorfall. Auch wenn die gestohlenen Daten keine Kontoverbindungen, Kreditkarten-Nummern oder Verbindungsdaten von Kunden enthalten.""The whole thing is an aggravating occurrence. Even though the stolen data does not contain any bank account information, credit card numbers or call data of customers."
Am Samstag hatte die Telekom einen Spiegel-Bericht bestätigt, wonach ihrer Mobilfunksparte T-Mobile vor gut zwei Jahren Daten zu jedem zweiten Kunden entwendet wurden, insgesamt mehr als 17 Millionen.On Saturday, Telekom confirmed a Spiegel report that data on one in two customers, over 17 million in all, was stolen from its mobile phone subsidiary T-Mobile.
Auf dem Datenträger finden sich dem Magazin zufolge nicht nur Daten vieler Prominenter aus Kultur und Gesellschaft wie Hape Kerkeling oder Günther Jauch, sondern auch eine große Anzahl geheimer Nummern und Privatadressen von bekannten Politikern, Ministern, Ex-Bundespräsidenten, Wirtschaftsführern, Milliardären und Glaubensvertretern, für die eine Verbreitung ihrer Kontaktdaten in kriminellen Kreisen eine Bedrohung ihrer Sicherheit darstellen würde. Daher sei auch das Kanzleramt informiert worden.According to the magazine, the data medium contained not only the data of numerous celebrities and society figures [...] but also a large number of unlisted telephone numbers and home addresses of famous politicians, ministers, former German Presidents, business leaders, billionaires and important religious figures, for whom the release or their contact data in criminal circles would constitute a security threat. Consequently, the Chancellery was also informed.


"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:58:31 AM EST
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WORLD
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:49:47 PM EST
IAEA Members Call for Middle East Without Nuclear Arms | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 05.10.2008
Members of the International Atomic Energy Agency have called on Middle Eastern nations to take steps towards establishing a region free of nuclear weapons.

Delegates at the nuclear watchdog's annual general conference in Vienna on Saturday, Oct. 4, adopted a resolution calling on all states in the region to accept IAEA inspections, and to accede and adhere to  the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), which bans the development of nuclear arms.

After two days of contentious discussions between Arab and Western countries over the wording of the resolution, 82 nations voted in favor, none against and 13 -- including the United States and Israel -- abstained.

Pending the establishment of a zone free of nuclear weapons, countries should not "develop, produce, test or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons," the resolution said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:52:39 PM EST
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UN nuclear meeting indirectly criticizes Israel, but Jewish state escapes direct censure -- Newsday.com
VIENNA, Austria (AP) _ A U.N. nuclear conference indirectly criticized Israel on Saturday for refusing to put its atomic program under international purview, but the Jewish state evaded a Muslim-led attempt to link it to nuclear proliferation in the Mideast.

As in past years at the International Atomic Energy Agency's general conference, Iran, Israel's most outspoken foe, spearheaded the verbal attack on Israel, which is widely considered to have nuclear arms but has a "no tell" policy on the issue.

Chief Iranian delegate Ali Ashgar Soltanieh said Israel's nuclear capabilities represent a "serious and continued threat to the security of neighboring and other states."

And he took the U.S. and other Western backers of Israel to task for their "shameful silence" on what he said was the menace posed by Israel's atomic arsenal.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:58:16 PM EST
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Rice in India but doesn't sign nuclear deal - International Herald Tribune

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Saturday a landmark nuclear trade with India had been completed but she was unable to sign the pact during a visit to New Delhi because of bureaucratic delays back home.

The deal allowing India access to U.S. nuclear fuel, reactors and technology was effectively sealed by the U.S. Congress when the Senate passed it on Wednesday.

It overturned a three-decade ban on nuclear trade with India imposed after it first tested nuclear weapons in 1974. U.S. officials had hoped Rice could sign the accord during her whirlwind one-day trip to India celebrating the pact, which was a top foreign policy priority of President Bush's second term.

But Rice, speaking after talks with her Indian counterpart Pranab Mukherjee, suggested administrative procedures on Capitol Hill had delayed the enabling legislation from getting to Bush for him to sign.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:56:20 PM EST
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How Bush Tried To Screw India On The Nuke Deal - Moon of Alabama

The Washington Post headlines today: Glitch Delays Signing Of India Nuclear Pact. It is correct that the so called '123 agreement' has not been signed yet as was expected. But this was not a simple glich.

This was a botched attempt by the Bush administration to screw the Indians.

The treaty will allow India to import nuclear technology and fuel for its civil nuclear program, while leaving its military nuclear programs and bombs untouched and unsupervised by the IAEA. The U.S. hopes to make multi-billion dollar deals under this agreement and sees it as the beginning of an U.S.-India alliance aimed against China and Pakistan.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 04:02:48 PM EST
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Fukuyama: The End of America Inc | Newsweek Business | Newsweek.com
Along with some of Wall Street's most storied firms, a certain vision of capitalism has collapsed. How we restore faith in our brand.

The implosion of America's most storied investment banks. The vanishing of more than a trillion dollars in stock-market wealth in a day. A $700 billion tab for U.S. taxpayers. The scale of the Wall Street crackup could scarcely be more gargantuan. Yet even as Americans ask why they're having to pay such mind-bending sums to prevent the economy from imploding, few are discussing a more intangible, yet potentially much greater cost to the United States--the damage that the financial meltdown is doing to America's "brand."

Ideas are one of our most important exports, and two fundamentally American ideas have dominated global thinking since the early 1980s, when Ronald Reagan was elected president. The first was a certain vision of capitalism--one that argued low taxes, light regulation and a pared-back government would be the engine for economic growth. Reaganism reversed a century-long trend toward ever-larger government. Deregulation became the order of the day not just in the United States but around the world.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 02:58:57 PM EST
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More like the End of the End of History, Mr Fukuyama...
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:10:35 PM EST
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Is the (literary) End of the History of Mr Fukuyama too much to hope for?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 09:26:13 PM EST
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There is something terribly galling about the continued success of the very apostles of previous ideologies who were wrong on every detail of their policies and yet are now considered to be worth reading as purveyors of solutions to the problems they caused.

Meanwhile, outside the gates, large numbers of people who were right all along, respected economists not least among them, stand mute and unheard, thier solutions dismissed as trivial.

Oooooh it might make you swear.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 07:50:39 AM EST
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With all of the neo-classical economic rhetoric taking such a beating and the fruits proving so poisonous, small wonder Fukuyama is disconsolate.  It is largely the contribution to Republican identity provided by that rhetoric that has been responsible for damage to their brand.  As Rep. Tom Davis, R, VA, memorably said: "If our brand was dog food, they would be taking it off the shelves."  One doubts that Fukuyama is mourning the loss of those poisoned by the brand so much as the loss of sales.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:22:10 PM EST
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The vanishing of more than a trillion dollars in stock-market wealth in a day.

NO wealth vanished during the market down turn.  The price people were willing to pay for phony "Claims on Assets" fell.  

The inability to distinguish between those two things lies at the heart of the Anglo-Disease.

 

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bork! Bork! Bork!

by ATinNM on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:38:45 PM EST
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"Panics do not destroy capital; they merely reveal the extent to which it has been destroyed by its betrayal into hopelessly unproductive works." John Stuart Mill  (Hat tip to London Banker)

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 09:23:38 PM EST
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"Reaganism reversed a century-long trend toward ever-larger government."

??? Completely false.

by asdf on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 07:28:43 PM EST
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"Reaganism reversed a century-long trend toward ever-larger democratic government."

Better?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:05:12 AM EST
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Reaganism reversed a century-long trend toward ever-larger government.

You'll excuse any typos, I hupe, understanding that it is tough to type with vomit on the keyboard.

Where does one start? The international crimes of Oliver North being small government?

Killing priests and nuns is smaller government?

Overthrowing foreign governments is smaller government?

Funding religious extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan is small government?

I can't find a quick chart for the increase in military budget under Reagan. David Stockman, who was the budget chief that organized the debacle later detailed how cynically and sickeningly it advanced.

Ooops~! here's a chart.

Isn't that amazing? You can see the Korean War, the VietNam War Crime Adventure, then Reagan's Gift-to-his-friends, Bush's TWAT - The War Against Terra.

The bottom line is that Reagan is given credit for bankrupting the USSR and bringing its fall. In fact, he also bankrupted the US, but the operators of the ponzi scheme were better at keeping it alive longer.

Day, meet of Reckoning

Reagan, of course, was a shill, a patsy, a dupe, a con for use by the cons. Just as Vatican II was the emollient that allowed the insertion of the vernacular into the laity (credit to Nat'l Lampoon), Reagan was the emollient that allowed the insertion of GreedyFuckingBastardTM Technology into the public Kennebunkport. We'll never walk the same again.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:04:06 AM EST
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This should be a diary in some place or other...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:11:09 AM EST
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This is a good place.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:42:59 AM EST
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Reports link Karzai's brother to Afghan heroin trade - International Herald Tribune

WASHINGTON: When Afghan security forces found an enormous cache of heroin hidden beneath concrete blocks in a tractor-trailer outside Kandahar in 2004, the local Afghan commander quickly impounded the truck and notified his boss.

Before long, the commander, Habibullah Jan, received a telephone call from Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of President Hamid Karzai, asking him to release the vehicle and the drugs, Jan later told American investigators, according to notes from the debriefing obtained by The New York Times, of which the International Herald Tribune is the global edition. He said he complied after getting a phone call from an aide to President Karzai directing him to release the truck.

Two years later, American and Afghan counternarcotics forces stopped another truck, this time near Kabul, finding more than 50 kilograms, or 110 pounds, of heroin. Soon after the seizure, U.S. investigators told other American officials that they had discovered links between the drug shipment and a bodyguard believed to be an intermediary for Ahmed Wali Karzai, according to a participant in the briefing.

The assertions about the involvement of the president's brother in the incidents were never investigated, according to American and Afghan officials, even though allegations that he has benefited from narcotics trafficking have circulated widely in Afghanistan.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 03:00:25 PM EST
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Maybe he'll get a multi-million dollar radio program on Fox and not have to push heroin anymore, like that other criminal (pardoned), Oliver North.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:18:11 AM EST
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How Risk Models Failed Wall St. and Washington

Thursday, October 2, 2008; Page A23

-Skip-

The problem is that Wall Street and regulators relied on complex mathematical models that told financial institutions how much risk they were taking at any given time. Since the 1990s, risk management on Wall Street has been dominated by a model called "value at risk" (VaR). VaR attributes risk factors to every security and aggregates these factors across an entire portfolio, identifying those risks that cancel out. What's left is "net" risk that is then considered in light of historical patterns. The model predicts with 99 percent probability that institutions cannot lose more than a certain amount of money. Institutions compare this "worst case" with their actual capital and, if the amount of capital is greater, sleep soundly at night. Regulators, knowing that the institutions used these models, also slept soundly. As long as capital was greater than the value at risk, institutions were considered sound -- and there was no need for hands-on regulation.

Lurking behind the models, however, was a colossal conceptual error: the belief that risk is randomly distributed and that each event has no bearing on the next event in a sequence. This is typically explained with a coin-toss analogy. If you flip a coin and get "heads" and then do it again, the first heads has no bearing on whether the second toss will be heads or tails. It's a common fallacy that if you get three heads in a row, there's a better-than-even chance that the next toss will be tails. That's simply not true. Each toss has a 50-50 chance of being heads or tails. Such systems are represented in the bell curve, which makes clear that events of the type we have witnessed lately are so statistically improbable as to be practically impossible. This is why markets are taken by surprise when they occur.

But what if markets are not like coin tosses? What if risk is not shaped like a bell curve? What if new events are profoundly affected by what went before?

Both natural and man-made systems are full of the kind of complexity in which minute changes at the start result in divergent and unpredictable outcomes. These systems are sometimes referred to as "chaotic," but that's a misnomer; chaos theory permits an understanding of dynamic processes. Chaotic systems can be steered toward more regular behavior by affecting a small number of variables. But beyond chaos lies complexity that truly is unpredictable and cannot be modeled with even the most powerful computers. Capital markets are an example of such complex dynamic systems.

-Skip-

The more enlightened among the value-at-risk practitioners understand that extreme events occur more frequently than their models predict. So they embellish their models with "fat tails" (upward bends on the wings of the bell curve) and model these tails on historical extremes such as the post-Sept. 11 market reaction. But complex systems are not confined to historical experience. Events of any size are possible, and limited only by the scale of the system itself. Since we have scaled the system to unprecedented size, we should expect catastrophes of unprecedented size as well. We're in the middle of one such catastrophe, and complexity theory says it will get much worse.

The writer was general counsel of Long-Term Capital Management from 1994 to 1999. He works for Omnis Inc., a McLean consultant on national security and capital markets. (My bold.)



If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sun Oct 5th, 2008 at 09:15:44 PM EST
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Garbage In, Garbage Out. If the initial risk assessments are faulty on input, then no amount of calculation will give a correct picture on output. The choice of models are an orthogonal issue to this.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
by martingale on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 12:48:25 AM EST
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Hell of a time to find that out!  I wonder if anyone ever questioned the appropriateness of the assumptions.  Perhaps the geniuses who devised the model were only aware of Gaussian distributions.  And questioning the basic assumptions might have produced an impediment to proceeding down a path the model makers found very personally rewarding.  Are there any professional licensing requirements for "risk analysts?"  Perhaps they should be required to carry "errors and omissions" malpractice insurance.  That would at least insure that all of the litigators got paid.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 01:05:32 AM EST
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Hell of a time to find that out!
Yeah :)

But actually, there's never been a shortage of people questioning the assumptions, even in the case of VaR. The literature on mathematical methods is full of caveats.

My point is really that no matter what people might do to improve their models, in the beginning the numbers still have to come from somewhere, eg from a credit ratings agency etc. If those hand out garbage, then everyone else bases their calculations on garbage.

For example, think of those subprime mortgages, which gave the wrong risk assessments when they were packaged. When those securities ended up in portfolios, they invalidated the calculations.

The finance industry is like an airplane, with a million parts and no end-to-end quality process. Even if some parts happen to be really well engineered and tested, a weak component can still crash the plane.

Preventing this in finance would be the role of strong, industry wide, end-to-end regulations.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$

by martingale on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 02:07:25 AM EST
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All those criticisms are true -and even without correlated risks, Gaussian distributions do not reflect events in the markets well.

But in any case, saying that you can't lose more than a certain amount 99% of the time means that 1% of the time you can lose more.
And that's a pretty high number, because investors take risks VERY often. The VaR is actually only a fraction of the value that is truly at risk.
Add to that the fact that some creditors are rated way higher than they deserve, and you already have a lot of "unexpected" exposure. All that being before you factor in the obvious domino effect.

"The womb that spawned that thing is fertile yet"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 01:31:51 AM EST
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The idea that you can pull money out of pure statistics, and then build a network of machines which depend at least as much on each other as on crowd psychology to define market noise, and then create new products which are multiply leveraged, and not just not see a problem with this but turn it into a political position about how 'the markets are always right' - this has to be one of the most exotic delusions in the whole of history.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 05:48:45 AM EST
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What annoys me just as much is that all this is post-LTCM, which very much demonstrated the whole 1% issue...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 05:51:20 AM EST
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The writer was general counsel of Long-Term Capital Management from 1994 to 1999

Irony / Schadenfreude overload.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:46:04 AM EST
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For a lawyer, he sounds surprisingly well clued in to statistics and complex systems.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 04:57:27 AM EST
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He's the guy that writes the small print that says "the past is not an indicator of the future"...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 05:39:19 AM EST
[