Do European banks need a bailout? And by whom?

by Jerome a Paris
Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 09:18:43 AM EST

As the fallout from the financial crisis continues to spread, it is striking to see a new phase of failures amongst European banks. Amongst the very first to be hit last year (with the collapse of IKB in Germany, and the run on Northern Rock, which subsequently had to be nationalized), European banks had lately appeared to fare better as Bear Stearns collapsed, Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac were bailed out, Lehman Brothers went bankrupt, AIG was rescued, Merrill Lynch was swallowed and Washington Mutual failing and being taken over. As the US is discussing its $700 billion bailout of Goldman Sachs and friends, we've seen Fortis needing its own governmental rescue, Bradford & Bingley being nationalised, Hypo Real saved by other German banks, and worries about a number of other entities come to the fore.

Before going into why European banks should be so vulnerable, it's worth pondering Wolfgang Munchau's point:

While the Americans need a better rescue plan, the Europeans need a lot more: a system that could produce a rescue plan in the first place.

Or maybe ... we should focus on having a system that does not require bailout plans in the first place?


European Schadenfreude about the collapse of American investment banks, and about the general crisis of the financial capitalism model has been met by smirks by the Anglo-Saxons that European banks have been hurt just as badly as UK and US ones, despite their home countries self-professed hostility to these shenanigans, so it's worth making the following points:

  • While the crisis in financial markets is widespread, and hurting all banks and all corners of the market, the fact remains that the banks that have gone down were the weakest ones, and/or those that made the most stupid decisions in the recent past. Either they had a business model predicated on hidden assumptions that were unreasonable with hindsight (like the perpetual liquidity of short term commercial paper, like Northern Rock), or they made bad bets (on CDSs, like AIG, on real estate, like Lehman or WaMu, or on banking, like Fortis buying ABN-Amro at the top of the market). Those that are holding up better today are those that visibly had better risk management and less greedily invested in the most dubious schemes on the market in recent years;
  • the main reason European banks are also touched today is that finance is global, and the push for deregulation has not been any weaker in Europe than in the US - indeed, it could be argued that the EU was a convenient Trojan horse for the City to force other European markets to open up to the (mostly American) financial behemoths based in London and to push local banks to react by adopting, as much as they could, the same posture of short term profit seeking (only with less experience, and less access to international clients); in effect, Europe has imported the Anglo Disease;
  • nevertheless, despite these trends, and the silly behavior of local banks trying to turn themselves into wannabe Masters of the Universe, the economies of European countriers outside the UK and the US is still much less dominated by financial firms, and they will ultimately suffer less from the contraction of that sector;
  • in the short term, the priority must be to maintain access to funding for the real economy, so that the freezing of the interbank market does not cause companies in other sectors to be starved of funds, go bankrupt or simply delay investments. That has been done on a short term, but ongoing, basis by the European Central Bank, which has displayed a commendable pragmatism in that respect; stabilising the system in the long run will require more upheaval and cleaning up of the banking sector, but the consolidation and nationalisation is now under way (done by each government on an ad hoc basis) and there is no reason to think it can't be brought to a satisfactory close, except possibly in the UK;
  • ultimately, the main reason for optimism for eurozone banks is that the problems for them lay in the past - their exposure to overleveraged toxic assets from the US; the second round effects that are going to take place in the US as the housing market drags down the real economy and further hits the financial sector will not touch them to the same extent; eurozone economies are not as vulnerable and even those that are most at risk (like Spain) are in a much more comfortable situation in that their government budgets and their banks are still in excellent shape.
The lesson for Europe is thus not that it should have a common approach to bailouts, but that it should have a policy change to avoid having its banks - and its economies - hijacked by the Anglobal financal sector, so that they can focus instead on the boring, but necessary, job of supporting their local economy.

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thanks Jérôme, for the information. I have been wondering how the European banks are affect by these crisis.

Do you think there will be more troubles coming up for some European banks?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 09:44:06 AM EST
An area of actual reform that would certainly be useful would be to urgently start thinking about what to do with the survivors - in particular the behemoths that just got staggeringly bigger by buying up bits and pieces of their failing competitors

JPMorgan (Bear Stearns, Washington Mutual)
Bank of America (Merrill Lynch)
Citigroup (Wachovia)

and, possibly, in Europe

Deutsche Bank
UBS and Credit Suisse
Barclays (+Lehman)
Santander (+Leicester, +B&B)

are too big for their government to bail them out - or to not bial them out - should the question come up.

They are now all monstrously large. How can they ever be expected to behave reasonably in the future? They hold the public hostage. So it's not just the system that needs to be taken down - it's individual firms too.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 09:47:06 AM EST
There is this paper in VoxEU that lists banks that have gone too big to rescue by their home regulators alone:

http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/1669

Fortis tested the problem and went well (good cross-border synchronization). Others may not fare so well. Deutsche Bank looks scary.

On the point of higher gross leverage in the EU than US, we come to realize that being more advanced in adoption of IRBA risk-weighted assets also means EU banks had a head start in regulatory arbitrage. Which means more pain in the future, and depository business routinely threatened by the capital market arms of universal banks.

Pierre

by Pierre on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:50:30 AM EST
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Fortis tested the problem and went well (good cross-border synchronization).

BeNeLux has been very well economically integrated for over 50 years, so no surprise there...

Elsewhere, I don't know.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:53:19 AM EST
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Interestingly, BBVA is on the list but Santander isn't. So Santander is not only bigger but also better capitalised.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:55:00 AM EST
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Another data point, via FT Alphaville: Europe's financial fear rankings
From analysts at Cazenove - two lists ranking the wholesale funding needs of European banks. They help explain why certain financial names were the biggest fallers across all continental markets on Monday.

Ranking as a multiple of market cap:

...

And also by short-term maturity:

...

That typical debt liabilities with a maturity of 2008 or 2009 are typically 30% of banks' debt liabilities and that these are typically 5 times market cap is evidence of huge duration mismatches (long-term assets, short-term liabilities). The liquidity crisis should last at least another year...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:20:52 AM EST
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Commerzbank and Dexia look to be the next on the list for some serious wobbling.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:33:29 AM EST
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Uh-huh, that went fast...

Bloomberg.com: U.S.

Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Dexia SA, the world's biggest lender to local governments, will get a 6.4 billion-euro ($9.2 billion) state-backed rescue after worsening financial markets drove the shares to a record decline.

Belgium's federal and regional governments, France and the company's largest shareholders will supply the funds, according to a statement from Belgian Prime Minister Yves Leterme today.



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by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 02:38:56 AM EST
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Another cross-border rescue, then?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 02:59:03 AM EST
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IHT has a long article on this too. Seems Iceland is bailing out a bank too.

European governments rescue more lenders - International Herald Tribune

PARIS: Regulators in Britain, Belgium and Iceland swooped in Monday to engineer emergency rescues of three banks with heavy exposure to soured mortgages, echoing moves underway in the United States.

In the latest sign of trouble to hit Europe from the global credit crisis, the Belgian, Dutch and Luxembourg governments announced a partial nationalization of the troubled Belgian-Dutch financial conglomerate Fortis, involving a combined injection of €11.2 billion from the three governments, which take a 49 percent stake.

Prime Minister Yves Leterme of Belgium, who was joined Sunday by the European Central Bank president Jean-Claude Trichet in an unprecedented appearance, unveiled the accord after a weekend of emergency talks in which the governments had tried to broker a whole or partial sale of the bank to private bidders.

These talks fell apart after BNP Paribas of France pulled out of the bidding, according to reports.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 09:59:46 AM EST
Glitnir has been purchased rather cheaply by the Icelandic government. The fall in the Krona meant that heavy foreign loans for bank expansion into Nordics and Europe were becoming impossible to service.

I was aware of these possibilities about 10 weeks ago. I did a voiceover for a Glitnir bank service, and then had to redo the same ad with a new owner name about 10 days later. Anecdotal as ever....

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:11:52 AM EST
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Kaupthing next, and so on....

Iceland is a Hedge Fund operating with diplomatic immunity, it seems to me.

They will be the first country to go into Chapter 11 as things unwind further......

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:01:03 AM EST
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Though they do have all this free electricity ;-)

I have to find an article I wrote on Iceland a few years ago - I interviewed Kaupthing execs at length then.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:05:14 AM EST
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You often mention the Nature of the finances of Iceland, how about explaining in detail what you mean/see happening. Most of the rest of us dont have the background/detail to see quite the uniqueness of Iceland, so how about a quick diary? ;-)

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:19:57 AM EST
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I don't have either the data or the expertise to do such a Diary justice....

It's based upon my ex-fraud investigator's smell test, really....ie

"If something looks too good to be true, then it probably is".

Which has long described Iceland, financially, anyway.

Seriously, I can't see how Iceland Investment Plc's capital base - in terms of "real" productive value or "money's worth" which is exchangeable with the rest of the world - comes close to supporting the vast pyramid of financial claims it has been creating or acquiring on productive assets elsewhere.

I think that it will be the deflation of the Private Equity bubble - where Icelandic corporate vikings and banks have been so prominent - that will do for the Icelandic banks, and call the central bank into question.

Jon Moulton of Alchemy has been very good on this recently

Bankruptcies loom for Private Equity

- he's seen the writing on the wall for some time....

Solveig's instinct is that there is maybe also some distinctly non-kosher money swilling around in the background, too. If so, not every Icelandic corporate raider will keep his kneecaps intact, or maybe will be "sleeping with the fishes" rather than catching them..... ;-)

Anyway, when Iceland does sink, it will be their fellow Scandinavians who fish them out, that's for sure....

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:42:14 PM EST
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I swear, if you folks ever decide to get out of finances, you have healthy futures in stand-up.

ET needs a humor section!

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by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:46:01 PM EST
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Which Icelandic author wrote, "When all is said and done, life is first and foremost salt fish"?

I can't recall at the moment.

The fierce protection of the cod fisheries in and around Iceland may become the most important action their government has taken since Independence.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:26:39 PM EST
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Halldór Laxness

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 08:59:45 PM EST
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Money-Market Rates Jump as Bank Rescues Stoke Lending Concern

Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) -- The cost of borrowing in euros for three months rose to a record after government-led bailouts of banks heightened concern that more in Europe will fail, prompting financial institutions to hoard cash.

The London interbank offered rate, or Libor, that banks charge each other for such loans climbed 8 basis points to 5.22 percent today, the largest jump since June, the British Bankers' Association said. The dollar rate increased 12 basis points to 3.88 percent, the highest level since Jan. 18. The Libor-OIS spread, a gauge of the scarcity of cash, rose to a record.

Money-market rates climbed even after U.S. lawmakers agreed on a $700 billion plan to remove tainted assets from the balance sheets of financial institutions. In Europe, four banks required state assistance and the ECB made additional emergency funds available to lenders through year-end.

``The root of the banking story is in the money markets, which are still in awful shape,'' said Padhraic Garvey, the Amsterdam-based head of investment-grade debt strategy at ING Bank NV. ``Banks are dealing with central banks for liquidity purposes, but are very careful about dealing with one another in this environment, which effectively means that the interbank wholesale-money market is not working.''



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 10:48:46 AM EST

Washington's waning way: how bail-outs poison a free market recipe for the world

The events of the past few weeks on Wall Street have handed ammunition to the opponents of free markets well outside the financial sector and way beyond America's shores. A model of freewheeling finance the US has pushed around the world, which had already undergone some tactical withdrawals over the past decade, appears in headlong retreat.

For some, the retreat of the Washington model risks turning into a rout. David Rothkopf, a senior Commerce department official during the administration of President Bill Clinton, says the world is at a turning point. "This is a watershed," he says. "This is the end of 25 years of Reagan-Thatcherism, `leave it to the market, less government is better government'. That is over - period."

Some policymakers are confident that, while the pace of liberalisation may slow, it is unlikely to go into sharp reverse. Many economists point out, moreover, that not all liberalisation is the same and that a financial crisis does not justify shunning all free markets. Yet successive US administrations have wrapped the different varieties closely together in a policy package and sold it through a variety of outlets - the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, the World Trade Organisation and the US's bilateral trade agreements. Disentangling them in the minds of foreign governments and their electorates will be hard.

That package may have started with advocating lower import tariffs on goods, a policy which commands relatively wide support among orthodox economists. But it has expanded to include more controversial strategies: allowing foreign institutions to buy local banks or set up their own subsidiaries, deregulating domestic financial markets and ending controls on cross-border capital movements.

Jagdish Bhagwati of Columbia University, a leading trade economist, has long warned that this is a dangerous confusion of liberalised financial markets, which are subject to repeated bubbles, panics and crashes, and the international movement of goods and services, which is not. Yet in practical terms the two have often been bundled. Washington has sought, for example, to export its own financial model through its trade deals. The template that the US uses in all its negotiations for bilateral trade pacts, and from which it tolerates few departures, includes strict limits on using capital controls to control financial crises.


A VINDICATED EUROPE CELEBRATES `CIVILISED' CAPITALISM

As Peer Steinbrück pondered recent events on Wall Street, Germany's hard-nosed finance minister could not help indulging in a bit of futurology. "When we look back 10 years from now," he told journalists on Thursday, "we will see 2008 as a fundamental rupture." The US, he said, would lose its role as a "finance superpower", write Bertrand Benoit and John Thornhill

Yet while US commentators may have interpreted such remarks as heralding a statist renaissance in Europe, there are few signs yet that the old continent is turning its back on the free market.

(...)

Yet it would be wrong to read such statements as precursors of a general retreat of liberalism on the continent. In his speech, Mr Sarkozy defended the essence of capitalism that had permitted the "extraordinary surge of western civilisation over the past seven centuries". He also said it would be a "historic error" to return to the collectivism of the past that had been responsible for so many disasters. In Germany, the world's largest exporter of goods, politicians are all too conscious of how much their country has benefited from trade liberalisation.

Meanwhile, the last thing Ms Merkel and Mr Steinbrück want is for the radical Left party, a coalition of defectors from the Social Democratic party and former East German Communists, to turn the crisis into ammunition for next year's general election. In June, Ms Merkel told the FT she was worried that attempts to discredit free-market liberalism would play into the left's hands.

As Mr Steinbrück put it before German legislators: "Neither calls for more state nor naive beliefs in market forces will help us in our task of shaping the economy in a way that will allow all to benefit from stable, crisis-free growth."



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 11:07:57 AM EST
Not everybody, though


As the industry becomes more regulated and less lucrative, the most talented bankers and traders may defect to the more entrepreneurial and financially rewarding world of boutique investment banks, private equity firms and hedge funds. Were that to happen, private equity groups including Blackstone and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts, independent investment banks such as Lazard and Rothschild and hedge funds like Citadel could gain.

Seasoned investment bankers dismiss this view, arguing that their industry has a chameleon-like ability to adapt to changing circumstances. But even the most ardent proponents of this theory acknowledge that, given the severity of the current plight, such a transformation will take time. "Other generations of bankers will be allowed to make the same mistakes I did; of that I am sure," says a veteran banker at a European bank. "The only question is how long it will take."

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fa25105a-8c0a-11dd-8a4c-0000779fd18c.html

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 12:43:55 PM EST
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Two generations...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 03:00:50 AM EST
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Two years. Two news cycles.
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by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 03:55:02 AM EST
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About Steinbrück: this strikes me as rearguard action.

Steinbrück is a staunch follower of the economic-liberal line within the SPD, a hardcore Third Wayist. Back when he was PM of Northrhine Westphalia, in a display of US-style bipartisanship, he used to co-write a position paper advocating 'reforms' with Hessen's infamous CDU PM Koch: the "Koch-Steinbrück paper". It was repeatedly brought up until recently as a blueprint for 'pragmatic' reforms.

One of the "economic wisemen" of Germany (this is an official government adviser position; these economists also tended to advocate 'reforms') played a similar tune.

None the less, that Steinbrück and Merkel feel the need for such outspoken burial of Anglo 'Turbokapitalismus' (fearing voter loss to the Left Party) speaks volumes about the current situation, the current  feeling among the powers-that-be.

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by DoDo on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:52:57 PM EST
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So far the critisism of Steinbrueck and Merkel was about the capital market. I don't see why this would be inconsistent with their other opinions.

'Reform' always was focused strongly on the labour market and entitlements.
All losses of the current banking crisis in Germany were the result of securitisation products with their undelying assets in foreign countries. That is on what Merkel and Steinbrueck focus, and on what they have started to make suggestions, how to tackle that problem.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 06:26:35 PM EST
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Good point about the attempted separation of financial and labour market deregulation (which in truth are connected and came together). Though, I would apply this only to Steinbrück. Merkel said:

FTD.de - Nachrichten: Merkel will nach Wahldebakel Konsequenzen ziehen - Deutschland FTD.de - News: Merkel wants to draw consequences after electoral debacle - Germany
«Es geht in unserer Zeit vor allen Dingen darum, den Menschen in der Zeit der Globalisierung Halt zu geben», sagte die CDU-Vorsitzende am Montag vor einer Präsidiumssitzung in Berlin. Nötig sei, «eine Zukunftsperspektive für die Menschen zu geben». Merkel will die Schwerpunkte im Bundestagswahlkampf bei Wirtschaft, Arbeit, Bildung und Integration setzen."In our present age, what counts above all is to give people a footing in the age of globalisation", the CDU chairman said on Monday before an executive meeting in Berlin. It is necessary "to give a perspective on the future to the people". Merkel wants to focus on the economy, employment, education and integration in the federal elections campaign.


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by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:10:34 AM EST
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Etheral bubbling.
From 'Menschen halt geben', you could perhaps conclude improvements in the social net, but not necessarily.
From 'eine Zukunftsperspektive für die Menschen', you can conclude the opposite, as this can mean removing burdens for employment.
Unlike Steinbrueck, who has made some concrete suggestions, your extract is mostly platitude talk.

Of course I think it is strongly off base, to focus the federal election campaign on education, as this should be solely an issue for lower level elections, but the CDU obviously has given up any resistance against the 'Gleichschaltung' of the children in this country.

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Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 12:22:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I wouldn't misuse that historically pre-loaded word in your place. (I normally hate when old Godwyn is used to crush debate, but this is really reaching too far IMO.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 03:50:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The German wikipedia article about Gleichschaltung starts:
Unter Gleichschaltung wird die Einschränkung oder der Verlust der individuellen Persönlichkeit beziehungsweise der Unabhängigkeit, Mündigkeit und Freiheit eines Menschen durch Regeln und Gesetze sowie sonstige Maßnahmen der Gleichsetzung und Vereinheitlichung der Massen verstanden. Im Besonderen handelt es sich um ein Wort aus der nationalsozialistischen Terminologie, der

In the further text is mentioned, that in common speech it was casually used to describe the events in Soviet zone of influence, and in anti-Soviet propaganda literature.
So it is not exclusivly used to describe events during the Nazi time. Given the gazillion explicit Nazi comparisons in the web, and the literally match of the explaination, what it means, with what I intend to say, I think it is OK to use such a term in an internet blog comment.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:06:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Martin, since you were writing in English, the choice of that internationally-known German word is bound to ring a certain bell in your readers' minds, isn't it? And, like DoDo, I think the bell in question isn't really necessary and adds nothing to your argument... but noise.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:18:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I didn't know that word was well known in English. The dictionary I use just didn't give an English word which made any sense, when I tried it.

Of course it adds not to any argument, but is an expression of opinion. This opinion has only indirect something to do with the centralisation on the federal level, but more with the general direction of school politics in Germany.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 05:41:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Martin, I don't want to further belabour this point -- instead, I invite you to write a diary on your real point, e.g. education reform in Germany and your conservative take on it, with more special focus than in your conservative manifesto diary.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 06:37:21 PM EST
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The English word is "in lockstep". I actually caught myself using "Gleichschaltung" once or twice in reference to the US press after 9/11, not because of any intention to make such comparisons, but just because I couldn't think of a better word. If that happened to me (in my native language) because the German word is used so much more frequently than the English equivalent, I can certainly understand your problem.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 04:26:04 AM EST
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It's well known in English only as a term relating to the Nazi takeover of German society. So, known to those who have some knowledge of history. Using it in English inevitably suggests the Nazi parallel. I'm glad that wasn't what you meant to do.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 1st, 2008 at 05:06:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So it is not exclusivly used to describe events during the Nazi time.

It is, in (academic?) English.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 06:24:16 PM EST
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On the content.

Yes, I agree it's very vague, but that's Merkel 's art. But given the context: her blocking the calls for more conservatism and marketism at the executive body meeting, I don't think it is as meaningless/meaning-what-the-listener-wants as you imply.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:09:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What's more, something more concrete:

CDU nach der Landtagswahl in Bayern: Auf der Suche nach Halt - Wahl in Bayern - Politik - FAZ.NET The CDU after the regional elections in Bavaria: The search for a footing - Elections in Bavaria - Politics - FAZ.NET
Scheitere die Erbschaftssteuereform, sei das ,,machtpolitisch verheerend", warnt sie das eigene Präsidium. Zwischen Arm und Reich klaffe eine Lücke, die nicht noch größer werden dürfe.Should the inheritance tax reform fail, that would be "devastating from a power politics view", she warns her own party executive body. There is a yawning gap between rich and poor that should not be allowed to get even bigger.

Huh!

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:15:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I had not read the article, but you are right.

I find it very disappointing, that the CDU is willing to sell out its core constituency seemingly on nearly all issues.
But for staying in power, it is obviously the best thing for them. Losing freedom voters to the FDP won't change that the CDU will get more votes than the SPD, and for a black-yellow coalition the votes would not be lost.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:30:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I find it very disappointing, that the CDU is willing to sell out its core constituency seemingly on nearly all issues.

I of course have very different feelings about this, but I agree this is a selling-out of the core constituency paralleling what the SPD did under Schröder.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 06:31:59 PM EST
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Mortgage lending reaches record low - Yahoo! News UK

Net lending was only £143 million in August, a fraction of July's sum of just under £3 billion, the Bank of England said.

The figure, which strips out repayments and people moving their home loan to a different lender, was also the lowest level ever recorded since the Bank began collecting statistics in this format in 1993.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 03:45:45 PM EST
"indeed, it could be argued that the EU was a convenient Trojan horse for the City to force other European markets to open up to the (mostly American) financial behemoths based in London and to push local banks to react by adopting, as much as they could, the same posture of short term profit seeking (only with less experience, and less access to international clients); in effect, Europe has imported the Anglo Disease"

This is an excellent conclusion. That is what many though "intuitively" or at least, without the evidence. Now we have the result.
One of the most original thinkers that I found on the internet is LaRouche. see link.
http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pdfs/20080929-PlanB.pdf
No matter about how idiosyncratic he is, he does make sense.


"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." MMcL

by igor vincha (svjeronimatgmail.com) on Mon Sep 29th, 2008 at 04:48:00 PM EST
Does it make as much sense as this, from the same website?
The scientific fraud known as global warming was never anything but a cover for continuing the imperial control of raw materials and global resources into the post World War II world, by denying the right of the poorer nations of the world to industrial development. Like the anti-nuclear scare, and an array of other environmental hoaxes promoted under auspices of World Wildlife Fund founders Britain's Prince Philip and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the aim is to clear lands and reduce the world population by billions. The case has been amply documented, including the role of Britain's Julian Huxley in promoting environmentalism because Hitler "had given eugenics a bad name." Whoever denies it is either ill-informed, or lying.
by Trond Ove on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 07:44:25 AM EST
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The Larouchites also have some - ah - "idiosyncratic" views on math and science. I met one once who denied the existence of irrational numbers and claimed that Newton hadn't invented differential calculus... Oh, and she implied rather forcefully that analytical geometry was a hoax.

Weird bunch. They seem mostly harmless, but never give them your phone number: You'll practically have to threaten them with restraining orders to get them to stop calling you.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 11:58:22 AM EST
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I've read a funny about 15 year old report from the Swedish Security Service (the counter terror and counter espionage guys) about them.

They had had the Larouchites under surveillance for being suspected commies, and then had them under surveillance for being suspected neo-nazis, and then decided they were just a bunch of weird crackpots who could safely be ignored.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 02:24:42 PM EST
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A discordant voice in the Fortis bailout:
The most important development was, however, the rescue of Fortis through the Belgian, Dutch and Luxembourg governments taking 49% equity stakes in Fortis's banking operations in each of these three countries.  The ability of the euro area fiscal authorities to co-ordinate on a bail-out for a bank with not-only strong cross-boundary operations, but indeed with a strong multi-national (almost supranational) identity was untested until today.  They passed the test.  Everyone who mattered, the national monetary authorities, the President of the ECB, the national regulatory authorities, the three national ministers of finance and the President of the Eurogroup chipped in and played their part.

Especially remarkable is the fact that it took much less time and effort to put together the multi-country fiscal rescue effort of the three EU member states than it took to cobble together the son-of-TARP in the US.  Incipient federalism triumphs over disfunctional established federalism.

A bad day for Benelux banking.  A great day for European cooperation and unity.

I note that indeed all important players were there. Maybe there is more communication between large banks and central monetary authorities than we expect, and therefore more reason for hope. After all, the ECB has been the most lax in accepting subprime collateral to the point were tightening standards does not even make headlines.
 

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 12:36:30 AM EST
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 01:38:39 AM EST
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Yes, sorry.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine
by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 09:51:25 AM EST
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Le Figaro: «Le sauvetage de Fortis n'est pas un plan européen, c'est chacun pour soi» (30/09/2008)
Daniel Gros, directeur du Centre européen d'études politiques.

Le Figaro - La nationalisation de Fortis peut-elle être vue comme un plan de sauvetage européen ?
Daniel Gros - Absolument pas. Il s'agit d'un sauvetage national : l'État belge a repris Fortis Belgique, l'État néerlandais a fait la même chose aux Pays-Bas, et le Luxembourg a repris Fortis Luxembourg. C'était du chacun pour soi : aucun gouvernement n'était prêt à sauver Fortis Europe aux frais de ses contribuables. Du coup, Fortis qui constituait un groupe récent a volé en éclats. Cette opération a cassé l'intégration du marché bancaire européen.

Sorry, no time to translate but the interview seems really interesting.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 04:57:47 AM EST
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I don't know how to do dual columns.
«Le sauvetage de Fortis n'est pas un plan européen, c'est chacun pour soi»
Q. Can the nationalization of Fortis be seen as a European bail-out?

A. Absolutely not. It is a national bailout: the Belgium state took over Fortis Belgium, the Dutch state did the same thing in the Netherlands, and Luxembourg took over Fortis Luxembourg. It was free for all: no government was willing to save Fortis Europe at the expense of its taxpayers. Thus, Fortis, which was a recent group imploded. This operation broke the integration of the European banking market.

Q. What what the ECB President at the meeting over Fortis in Bruxelles. Could he guarantee a rescue as the Fed would have done?

A. No! The ECB cannot give its support, unlike the fed, because there exists no European Treasury. The ECB was at the emergency meeting because Fortis is a large player on the interbank market. It financed itself on short-term debt a lot. If Fortis had failed, it would have aggravated already important liquidity issues that the ECB is trying to face by injecting billions on money markets. Furthermore, the ECB had to reveal the extent of the risks Fortis was facing: its assets were too poor to be swapped at the ECB when other banks would not lend to it.

Q. Can Europe organize an American-style rescue plan?

A. No. Europe cannot create an asset dump to buy back toxic assets. First, because there is no European treasury. Further, because the money required would be too great. But at the end, Europe does not need a "Paulson Plan". Asset held by European Banks are not too bad. The issue for European banks is under capitalization. Giants such as Fortis, BNP Paribas, Deutsche Bank or Barclays multiplied cross border buy-outs without the necessary capital. As a result, the day the market loses confidence, this becomes a major issue. Even BNP Paribas is sitting on a volcano: it has a comparable leverage ratio to Fortis', and 1000 billion of short-term debt. European legislation is not enforced strictly enough.

Q. The European Commission will still strengthen its directive on equity...

A. Sure, but by the time it will come into force it will be too late !

Q. What else can Europe do?

A. It could increase bank's equity through the EIB, the European Investment Bank.

I'm not convinced. The Eurozone cannot buy back assets because it lacks the capital and the institutions to organize the facility, but it can inflate bank's balance sheet through the EIB? what's the difference? Why could not the EIB invest in toxic assets?

Plus, EIB getting equity in European banks would be akin to nationalization -- which surely would require some political decision.


Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:18:26 AM EST
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ECB doesn't equal Eurozone, the EIB is not under the ECB.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 12:19:47 PM EST
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Eurozone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Eurozone (officially euro area,[1] or informally Euroland) refers to a currency union among the European Union member states that have adopted the euro as their sole official currency. The Eurosystem, headed by the European Central Bank, is responsible for monetary policy within the Eurozone.

From this I get that the ECB heads the association of national central banks, which then work with national banks.

European Investment Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The EIB is an international financial institution, a publicly owned bank. Its owners are the Member States of the European Union

So all members of the Eurozone are owners of the EIB, which also means that some owners are not in the Eurozone.

I meant that getting the EIB to buy toxic assets as in the Paulson plan would be just as complicated then getting it to nationalize bank in the Swedish fashion, which is what I assume he meant in his last sentence.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 12:50:08 PM EST
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like Fortis buying ABN-Amro at the top of the market

On the other end, ABN-Amro's chiefs were geniuses for their share-holders.

How troubled is the main 'investor' RBS?

by das monde on Tue Sep 30th, 2008 at 10:45:14 AM EST
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