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'Concrete' Ceiling for Women?

by In Wales
Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 05:42:14 AM EST

One of today's top news stories for the UK is yet another reminder of how women are still struggling for equality in employment. From BBC Online:
The number of women holding senior posts in politics, the law and the media has fallen compared with last year, a report suggests.

Research by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) says that in 12 of 25 job categories studied, there were fewer women holding top posts.

Women's representation had increased in eight areas, including company directors and the civil service.


From Personnel Today:
The equalities commission said it was "disappointed but not surprised" by a lack of female promotions at Barclays Capital (BarCap), the investment banking division of Barclays.

It follows an advertisement by Barclays in the Financial Times, which revealed that out of 80 promotions to managing director level, only five were women.

Now why would that be? The BarCap spokeswoman tell us;

the promotions were totally irrelevant of gender. "We are a meritocracy. In our diversity policy we would hope to promote irrespective of any gender bias," she said.

"We would always look for the best person for the job. We want to provide an environment where people feel comfortable irrespective of their background, gender, sexuality or race."

But as the Commission points out, it isn't just about direct discrimination, or not taking women seriously for the top roles but about working practices that indirectly cause disadvantage for women.

This is discussed in the Guardian:

"Workplaces forged in an era of 'stay at home' mums and 'breadwinner' dads are putting too many barriers in the way, resulting in an avoidable loss of talent at the top," said Nicola Brewer, the commission's chief executive. "We always speak of a glass ceiling. These figures reveal that in some cases it appears to be made of reinforced concrete." The report goes on to ask "in what other ways are old-fashioned, inflexible ways of working preventing Britain from tapping into talent, whether that of women or other under-represented groups such as disabled people, ethnic minorities or those with caring responsibilities".

Brewer said: "Britain cannot afford to go on marginalising or rejecting talented people who fail to fit into traditional work patterns."
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The report puts much of the blame on "our rigid, inflexible approach to work". Having children, outdated working practices, a long-hours culture and the absence of good-quality, affordable childcare, together with the expectation that women will look after the family and run the house, leads many women to decide the strain is too much. They take a less challenging role or leave employment altogether. The same inflexibility also prevents men from spending more time with their children, although many want to.

I can't find this year's report online yet but the 2007 report is here and a link to the EHRC's website bulletin on this years report here.

As a slight aside, this all makes me think of a comic series I'm reading at the moment, Y: The Last Man which is about a plague that instantly killed off all men leaving only women and one man who somehow survived. It doesn't go in the direction you think it might...
It has been fascinating to read since it considers how society could be if run only by women, given that the vast majority of landowners are men, majority of top politicians, business owners etc etc are men. Majority of people working in power stations for example are men and it explores what could happen if men got taken out of the equation completely, from a worl where there is not an equal sharing of skills, work, caring and access to the same opportunities for men and women. Utter fiction but it is an interesting perspective.

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many women to decide the strain is too much. They take a less challenging role

I think this is essential. A lot of women choose to level out and stay put at a certain job definition, because pushing for a higher level means utter devotion to the job (which men and very few women are free to practise). In part, what this means is also that demands on the devotion and elasticity of hours of "those who succeed" have increased over the last few decades, eating up whatever progress the notion of gender equality at work may have made during the same period.

And it's sold to us with the "you too can be a winner" tag. Gaah.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:15:23 AM EST
Yup, this is the problem with the long hours culture and 'presenteeism' where workers feel they need to be seen - or the managers feel that the workers need to be seen - and working from home in a flexible way isn't embraced in the way it should be.

As you say the expectation of being totally devoted to the job at the expense of having a life just isn't realistic if we want to break down these inequalities.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:25:42 AM EST
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Working from home absolutely doesn't work for me - too many distractions.

What works for me is to be present in the office, but on flexible hours so I can manage our child's school hours and after-school activities and my wife's work requirements.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:29:48 AM EST
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And working from home works well for others. Both options should be available as part of a flexible working policy for an organisation.  But workers currently only have the right to request flexible working (and then this is only for those with children under a certain age).  

True you could take your employer to tribunal if you are turned down but that's a lengthy process to go through that will undoubtedly damage the relationship between employer and employee.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:37:44 AM EST
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And unfortunately for many women, they are still more responsible for the housekeeping and shopping. etc. At least here in Switzerland from what I hear.

Even in some of the relationships were they take care of the children more or less together, some of the men just fix their business agenda without checking if their wive is not also busy at work and it seems to be normal that she tries to rearange here agenda. And the home still seems to be considered mostly her domain, unfortunately.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 07:55:59 AM EST
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That's common experience.  I do have a friend who has flexible working arrangements, and is able to use this to fit around his wife's shift work and to be at home for his children when she works.  

It works really well for them and it means that both parents are able to spend time with the children and there is a fairly equal division of care, work and household stuff. But this is an exception to the rule.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 08:02:29 AM EST
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When we moved to Switzerland, it turned out that the laundry room in our building was open from 8AM to 7PM Monday to Friday, plus 9AM-1PM on Saturdays. The latter slot being completely unavailable. When my mom complained to the building management they told her that if she were a proper, normal woman she wouldn't have any difficulties with that. A few years later she noticed that male IT folks at the company were making more money. She asked for a raise and her boss said he saw no reason to pay a woman more. She contacted a headhunting agency, got a job for twice as much money at a big Swiss multinational. Unfortunately she was the first woman in the (large) Geneva offices of that company whose duties were neither secretarial nor janitorial. A fair number of men there made it clear that they didn't see that as a good development.
by MarekNYC on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:51:21 AM EST
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European Tribune - 'Concrete' Ceiling for Women?
It has been fascinating to read since it considers how society could be if run only by women, given that the vast majority of landowners are men, majority of top politicians, business owners etc etc are men.

This is still tokenism. Promoting women into bad jobs just means that bad jobs have bad women in them. Carly Fiorina, Sarah Palin, Margaret Thatcher and Meg Ryan have proved that more than adequately.

Also, most men still aren't CEOs, politicians, landowners, or business owners, and very few men have a realistic chance of becoming any of these things.

The implication of this kind of tokenism is the suggestion that having testicles automatically you qualifies for these roles, by definition. The reality couldn't be more different, but it's a reality which the equality commission has always done its damndest to ignore.

Tokenism won't solve the problem. Creating new kinds of opportunity which allow for flexible entrepreunership and non-monolithic kinds of politics and business might be more useful.  

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:04:01 AM EST
having testicles automatically you qualifies

can you fix that?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:05:55 AM EST
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I like your sig. Is it new?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee (pbing@estudioinc.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:35:25 AM EST
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Relatively recent. It's from The New Industrial State.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:37:33 AM EST
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It follows an advertisement by Barclays in the Financial Times, which revealed that out of 80 promotions to managing director level, only five were women.
Now why would that be?
So the gender ratio in the promotions to managing director was 15:1.

What was the gender ratio in the managing directors previously?

What was the gender ratio in the pool of candidates for promotion to managing director?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:08:33 AM EST
It has been fascinating to read since it considers how society could be if run only by women, given that the vast majority of landowners are men, majority of top politicians, business owners etc etc are men.
Um, being post-apocalyptic fiction it considers how women would pick up the pieces and keep going which is a very different proposition.

I think I have read the first 4 or five issues of Y and I got tired of it after a while... Though it has some interesting tidbits in it (for instance, the POTUS is the former US Secretary of Agriculture since that was the highest-ranking woman in the US government) many of the situations are predictable and tendentious.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:11:51 AM EST
"Presenteeism" doesn't cover the full range of pathology however, a lot of "management" positions seem predicated on longer "availability."

Senior women managers I have known in the UK, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium all have prospered in environments that allowed home and mobile working and flexi-time.

Now, that's an important advance (especially for some who were single parents) because it creates the flexibility needed to manage non-work events.

But, they all worked long hours many evenings on the laptop. Sometimes this was because they were responsible for events across a longer set of time zones or operating hours. (Hence "availability.")

Other times, it was the sheer volume of things they had to keep on top of. Part of that is just employers skimping on labour costs, but some of it seems to be a conceptual block in dividing up higher positions across more than one person.

How do things operate in other areas? Some countries have a better record on this, have they got better answers to this problem?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:38:07 AM EST
Here is the story about how the new law on quotas for women on boards came about in Norway. One man policy making done literally "on the hoof"...

....and it actually works!

The law is strict...companies who do not comply face the threat of being closed down.

Quotas for women on the board: do they work? - Times Online

All across Europe companies have been told to put more women in the driving seat, or be penalised. The ruling has been a huge success -- but what does it say about sexual equality?
by Solveig (link2ageataol.com) on Thu Sep 4th, 2008 at 02:50:55 PM EST
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