Workaday Tales

by afew
Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:10:42 AM EST

In today's Salon, Fran points us to a BBC article that says:

BBC NEWS | Business | UK work week among EU's longest

UK workers in full-time jobs put in an average of 41.4 hours every week, one and a half hours more than the average for the 27 members of the EU.

The French and Italians worked the fewest hours - with an average of 37.7 and 38.4 hours per week.

Kazowee! Hard-working Brits v Feckless Latins revisited (even though the Beeb presents it more with the "Brits are overworked" angle). And this time, the difference is supposed to be greater than I think I've seen it before, nearly four hours a week between the French and British. Nicolas Sarkozy should see this and lecture the French on how they work less than everyone else in Europe. (Perhaps he will).

The BBC article tells us about the origin of the statistics:

The research was compiled by the European Foundation for the Improvement of Living and Working Conditions (Eurofound), an organisation founded by the EU.

Well, if you go there, it's not quite Eurofound, but an associated thingy, the European Industrial Relations Observatory (EIRO), that has different correspondents (think tanks, institutes) in each EU country. This study on 2007 working hours was by:

Working time developments – 2007

  • Author: Mark Carley
  • Institution: IRRU, University of Warwick/SPIRE Associates

IRRU is the Industrial Relations Research Unit of the Warwick Business School, SPIRE Associates a civil engineering outfit (or a California marketing consultancy!). It doesn't disqualify Carley's work in any way, of course, but it seems a far cry from what the Beeb augustly describes as "founded by the EU", to a Brit with one foot in business and the other in a business school.

What does the report say?


Working time developments – 2007
statistics on actual weekly hours worked – typically measured in labour force surveys – give a more accurate impression of how many hours workers really work in a given week, as they include factors such as overtime and absence. However, the national data on average actual weekly working hours are often problematic for purposes of comparison, given differing definitions.

That would seem to be quite right. If you try to look into comparative working hours, you find differing definitions and sometimes wildly differing data. Compare, for example, what the UK Labour Force Survey offers as actual hours worked by full-time employees in Britain for the final quarter of 2007 (Carley's reference period):

with the French Enquête d'Emploi (labour force survey) run by INSEE, that cites comparative numbers based on full-time work by all employed persons (including non-salaried) as 41 hours for France, 43 hours for the UK. There are clearly differing definitions.

So Carley goes on to say that he offers

harmonised Eurostat data for the average number of actual weekly hours of work in the main job of full-time employees, based on its labour force survey for the fourth quarter of 2007. These hours include all working hours, including extra hours, whether paid or not.

Hooray, harmonised data! Let's toddle along to Eurostat working hours data from the Labour Force Survey.

It's not hard to find Carley/EIRO's figures as quoted by the BBC. Average actual hours worked by full-time employees in 2007Q4 are as stated, 41.4 in the UK, 37.7 in France. But, if we look at all employees (full and part-time) we see a different story: 35.1 for France, 35.8 for the UK. This is explained by the fact that part-time workers work shorter hours in the UK: 18.9 (UK) against 22.9 (France), and that part-time workers constitute about 25% of UK employment against 17% for France. So when all salaried employment is counted in (as Jérôme pointed out), there's precious little difference between the two countries...

Even more, if all employment, employees plus non-salaried workers, full and part-time, are counted in, we get (for the same final quarter of 2007, and again from the harmonized Eurostat figures quoted by Carley/EIRO/BBC):

France 36.7 compared to UK 36.2

Er, the lazy frog jumps higher than the gritty brit? Wonders will never cease!

(PS: I know all this has been pointed out before, but it's as well to freshen it up with newer stats!)

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Why, in a serious report for a European whatsit, should one cherry-pick to produce the strongest effect? Why not offer the full set, full-time employees, all employees, all persons employed?

Because it would stand in the way of conventional wisdom?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:18:12 AM EST
ha! Our unions are going with the 41.4 hr/week figure since we Brits are obviously overworked and something needs to be done!

But this does illustrate the joy of stats, tell any story you like and you'll find some stats to evidence it.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:23:40 AM EST
Well, if the unions are thinking of full-time salaried workers, they're probably right. But they should also be concerned about the importance of short-hours part-time work in the UK.

The thing about the much-decried (and now disassembled) 35-hour week in France was that it capped full-time work, bringing quite a lot of part-timers up to the full time they wished for.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:33:11 AM EST
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Ah I see what you mean. I have often thought that if people were not pressured into working overtime and stupid hours then it would become obvious where more part time positions could be brought in to meet the demand of the work.  It would also give scope for higher positions to be supplemented or job shared by part timers, giving access to decent jobs with decent pay for skilled workers who wanted or needed part time hours for whatever reason.

But why do that when you can get one person to do their job plus half, for the price of one?

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:44:46 AM EST
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has also an article on this report:

Workin' for a Living: EU Rookies Put in Longest Hours on the Job - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

A surprising new study shows that Europe is still divided when it comes to work hours: the EU's newest members work the longest and have the least vacation, while "old" Europe tends to take the most time off.

German workers rank sixth in the EU in terms of hours worked -- and third in terms of vacation days. Europe is still divided when it comes to working hours. According to a recent study, the newest members of the European Union put in the most time on the job, while many of the Union's long-time members give their workers more time off and less time at work.

In a study published Wednesday by Dublin-based EU think tank Eurofound, official and reported work hours were compared across the EU. Europe's hardest workers, at least in terms of hours spent on the job? Full-time workers in Romania and Bulgaria, the EU's newest members, put in 41.7 hours a week. Germany ranked 6th, with workers reporting 41.1 hours a week spent at work.

The report, which analyzed statistical data from all of the EU member countries, found that the 15 pre-2004 members of the EU spend an average of 39. 5 hours a week on the job, while people in the 12 new member states work 40.6 hours on average. Of the top 10 countries, seven -- Bulgaria, Romania, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia and Hungary -- joined the EU after 2004.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 02:13:16 PM EST
As I said in a comment the other day, the legend of French employees working 35 hours is tenacious; well, it is repeated over and over again in the English language press (on purpose, you think?). Well, certainly not for exempt employees (engineers, professionals, managers).

Michel Rollier (Michelin CEO) recently said in an interview that foreigners visiting the tire maker's HQ in Clermont-Ferrand, France, were always surprised to see how many hours their French colleagues were putting at work... See how perceptions are deeply grounded?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:10:19 PM EST


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