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European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 13. September

by Fran
Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 02:21:24 PM EST

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:06:18 PM EST
MEPs' biofuel vote could bring production to 'standstill' - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - European legislators in an influential parliamentary committee have voted to drastically scale back the EU's plans for the use of biofuels.

In a 50 to 2 vote MEPs in the European Parliament's industry committee on Thursday (11 September) voted to maintain a target of using renewable sources for transport fuel for 10 percent of vehicles by 2020, but legislators no longer assume that renewable fuel sources automatically means traditional biofuels.

The European biofuels industry is worried they are losing the argument

By 2020, two fifths of the 10 percent target would now have to come via cars that run on hydrogen or that use electricity from renewable sources such as solar and wind power, or from so-called second-generation biofuels.

MEPs also voted for a major review in 2014 of biofuel impact on the environment and on food prices before member states can press on to the 2020 goal.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:10:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The European biofuels industry is worried they are losing the argument

As they should.

And given how quickly things have turned on this, it means the reality nderlying this change is really overwhelming, because there usually is a LOT of inertia in such decisions.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:09:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Europeans Ignorant about China, Says Former Chancellor | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 12.09.2008

Addressing the Hamburg Summit, a meeting of business leaders from China and Germany, on Thursday, Sept. 11, the elder statesman said China had made vast economic progress over the past 30 years.

He and other speakers called on European nations to intensify dialogue with China and improve relations, despite criticism in the West of China's human-rights policies, especially its controversial crackdown on protesters in Tibet this year.

France's Foreign Trade Minister Anne-Marie Idrac said the European Union was determined to step up investment in China as much as possible.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:10:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The one info missing from your quote is which of the three living former chancellors was meant :-)

(The oldest, Helmut Schmidt/SPD.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:36:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks DoDo, don't know why I missed to copy the first paragraph. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:37:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
eewwwww! Gross!!!!!!

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:31:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Spanish Court Blocks Basque Vote on Independence | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 12.09.2008
Spain's Constitutional Court on Thursday, Sept. 11, ruled that a plan by the Basque regional government to stage a referendum-like vote on the self-determination of the northern region was unconstitutional.

The Basque parliament had earlier approved the plan of organizing the vote on Oct. 25, 2008. The Spanish government and opposition conservatives lodged a complaint at the Constitutional Court.

Basque Prime Minister Juan Jose Ibarretxe said that if the Constitutional Court blocked the vote, members of his government would take their case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

The vote would have asked the Basques whether they approved of a negotiated solution to Spain's conflict with the militant Basque separatist group ETA and of Basque party talks on the region's right to decide its own future.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:10:55 PM EST
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Hah...Kosovo again. That's what Albanians on Kosovo did first...referendum about independence that ALSO was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. But who cares. The most important thing is to have "friends" (with their own interest) who will bomb the other side straight to your independence. I don't think Basques have that.
by vbo on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 08:19:49 PM EST
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They should invite some of the Russian fleet into the ports for a little send-up of the central authority.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 07:28:29 AM EST
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Why do I get the growing impression that the modern nation-state as a principle political organizational model, is rapidly becoming obsolete?

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:01:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is no longer [one of] the natural scope[s] of economic organization.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:19:46 PM EST
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Europeans worry but do little about climate change - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - An overwhelming majority of Europeans - 62 percent - consider climate change the second most serious problem facing the world today, a fresh EU poll has shown. However, they have little appetite for turning green when it comes to their lifestyle.

"There is a clear gap between what citizens say and what citizens are doing about fighting climate change," EU environment commissioner Stavros Dimas said on Thursday (11 September), while presenting the survey.

Although 61 percent of Europeans say they are taking some kind of action against climate change, it is limited to minor personal or financial effort such as separating waste for recycling and reducing consumption of energy, water or throw-away products.

Mr Dimas cited two main reasons for the inactivity - a lack of information about the causes and consequences of climate change and a lack of decisiveness on the side of public and private sectors.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:11:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The first priority is poverty (at 68%).

Very little mention of that one around the media...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:11:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When this was posted in the OT, I commented that at least the first problem deen is not terrorism. I now addthat that's qualitatively better because even if people do little personally, they may support a goverment if it decides to take action (and IMO government action matters more in this question).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:15:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
MEPs find recipe for a proud and happy European citizen - Times Online

The Ode to Joy, a snappy motto and a waving flag: this is the recipe for a proud and happy European citizen, MEPs have decided.

The European Parliament is to promote greater use of EU symbols in order to help people to identify with the union, even though the flag, motto and anthem have been criticised as the trappings of statehood. Scrapping references to the symbols was cited by Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, and others as a key difference between the EU Constitution -- rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005 -- and its successor, the Lisbon Treaty.

Their disappearance from the treaty has also been cited as a key reason by some governments - including Britain -- as to why referendums were not necessary on the new document. Writing in September last year Jim Murphy, the Europe Minister, declared: "Some may discount the significance of the removal of the EU flag and anthem and title of Foreign Minister [ in the Lisbon treaty] but these are another clear sign that the UK's vision of a Europe of sovereign states has won out."

David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, told the House of Commons last July that "it is good that the symbols, flags and anthems, which distracted attention from the discussion of the European constitutional treaty, are done away with so that we can focus on what will make the EU useful to this country -- jobs, climate and energy, the issues that matter to ordinary people."

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:14:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
i say 'embryonic tribal symbols'.

MEPs find recipe for a proud and happy European citizen: even though the flag, motto and anthem have been criticised as the trappings of statehood

my guess is that the earliest incarnations of the U.S. flag lacked the emotional charge that the current version has, because that sort of symbolic power must accrue over time in a virtuous (or is it vicious) circle whereby symbol reinforces tribal identity which in turn reinforces the importance of symbol.

like the E.U., the at the outset the United States' "identity" was not based as much on common ethnic and cultural heritage (for this it shared overwhelmingly with British Empire that it had just cut itself off from), but rather on shared ideals and practical interests across statutory communities who, in the context of that time and place, had rather distinct ethnic and cultural identities.  and yet, despite this initial, rather "untribal" nature of the nascent "United States", we now have an incredibly tribal national consciousness whose most potent symbol is far and away the national flag.

no thanks.  while i love the concept of the European Union, as I do that of the United States of America, let's try to keep the symbolism to the barest minimum to delay as long as possible the inevitable curdling of tribalism in the community.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 08:31:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
even though the flag, motto and anthem have been criticised[citation needed] as the trappings of statehood


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:44:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You see the EU flag in front of public buildings everywhere in Spain, along with national, regional and local flags where appropriate. Private citizens don't fly flags, generally.

I suspect the UK is rather unique among EU member states in not flying the EU flag ever, anywhere.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:45:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My ex-employers used to regularly fly an EU flag, along with Welsh flags.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:08:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I should have particularised my statement to England.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:08:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There is the issue that to fly a flag of any sort requires planning permission and probably health and safety inspection & notices all of which are expensive and annoying disincentives.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:28:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Um, they could fly the flag on existing, authorised flagpoles.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:30:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Same here. Even businesses fly the EU flag.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:11:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Same here - and national politicians never do anything where the French flag is not accompanied by the EU one.

The Arc de Triomphe has a a giant EU flag now smack in the middle (where you have a French one on 14 July and a few similar dates) for the EU presidency.

The Paris buses also fly small flags on some public holidays with national rather than religious significance; it used to be one French flag on each side, but now, for a long time, it is a French and a EU one.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:14:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What's more, it's a misappropriation of the Ode to Joy, IMHO.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:49:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sure, but seeing what they did with the Euro bills or the "together" logo, the EU would have been unable to come up with anything new and suitable.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:54:54 AM EST
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They could put a bunch of bright people together and see what they come up with.

but the current EU is not interested in that. They are lost in a particularly disgusting (to me) form of blandness in terms of their symbolic representation. See e.g. the Europe and You in 2007 page which I once diaried.

Also see this Zeit interview with Koolhaas:

Rem Koolhaas: Dem Architekten fehlen die Symbole in der EU | Nachrichten auf ZEIT ONLINERem Koolhaas: The Architect misses the symbols in the EU | News on ZEIT ONLINE
ZEIT: Schon bizarr, dass wir einen Architekten brauchen, um Europa zu verstehen...Zeit: A bit bizarre, that we need an architect, to understand Europe.
Koolhaas: Ein bisschen Geduld, bitte. Europa ist noch so jung. Da erklärt sich vieles nicht von selbst. Im Übrigen bräuchten viele Leute heute das Denken von Architekten, ohne dass die gleich etwas bauen. Deswegen haben wir unseren Denktank AMO gegründet. Wir bauen nicht nur, wir denken über die Struktur von Beziehungen, Regeln, Perspektiven und Balance nach. Wir fragen: Wo ist die Vordertür? Wo die Hintertür? Und dann stellen wir die einzelnen Teile in eine sinnvolle Beziehung. Europa könnte es helfen, wenn Künstler mehr über so etwas nachdächten.Koolhaas: A bit of patience, please. Europe is still very young. Much can't be explained automatically. Furthermore, many people today need architectural thinking, without so much building anything. That's why we founded the AMO think tank. We don't just build, we think about the structure of relations. We ask: where is the front door? Where is the back door? And then we put the single parts in a meaningful relation. Europe could be helped if more artists thought about something of the sort.
Im Grunde hat ja auch Giscard d'Estaing (ehemaliger französischer Staatspräsident und Präsident des Europäischen Verfassungskonvents, Anm. d. Red.) mit der Verfassung einen neuen Bauplan für Europa versucht: Aber er hat letztlich nur Sätze zusammengeschrieben. Es fehlt die Form. Wir könnten dem Ganzen eine Form geben.In essence, Giscard d'Estaing (former French President and President of the European Constitutional Convention, ed.) tried to create a new building plan for Europe: but in the end he only strung together sentences. The form is lacking. We could give the whole thing a shape.
ZEIT: Offensichtlich findet die Politik solchen Rat zu exzentrisch oder einfach überflüssig.Zeit: Obviously, politics thinks such advice to be too excentric, or simply superfluous.
Koolhaas: Leider. Als er noch Chef der EU-Kommission war, hat Romano Prodi (italienischer Ministerpräsident, Anm. d. Red.) uns und andere Künstler einst um Hilfe gebeten. Der wollte eine neue Bildsprache, eine neue Symbolik für Europa. Dann haben die Niederländer unsere erste Ausstellung finanziert, die Österreicher die Flagge als Logo übernommen. Jetzt aber stagniert das Ganze. Die neue Kommission hat kein Interesse an dem Projekt. Und Kommissionspräsident Barroso gibt sein Geld wohl lieber dafür aus, das Gesicht von Margot Wallström, der Kommissarin für Kommunikation, auf Flughäfen zu plakatieren. Die darf dann fürs Fliegen ohne Grenzen werben.Koolhaas: Unfortunately. When he was still President of the EU's Commission, Romano Prodi (Italian Minister President, ed. [at the time of writing - Nanne]) requested help from us and other artists. He wanted a new visual language, a new symbolism for Europe. Then, the Dutch financed our first exhibition, the Austrians took our flag as Logo [of their Presidency of the EU - Nanne]. Now, however, the whole thing is stagnating. The new Commission has no interest in the project. And Commission President Barroso prefers to spend his money on placarding the face of Margot Wallström, Commissioner for communication, in airports. She can then promote flying without borders.

As TBG says, these people don't have a clue about presentation.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:26:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They are lost in a particularly disgusting (to me) form of blandness in terms of their symbolic representation.

Precisely.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:37:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I like the euro banknotes, personally.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 07:26:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
They could have used real buildings and bridges, except that in their idiocy they decided you have to be Italian to identify with the Colosseum, and that if you're not Spanish the Roman aqueduct at Segovia will put you off, etc.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 07:32:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Banknote bridge blogging?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 08:07:34 AM EST
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It's not that: it's that they could not put notable faces or monuments from enough countries, so, in order to avoid silly jealousies, they avoided real people or landmarks.

But the generic monuments they've used are nice. Not real, not contentious, but still nice. Very much EU-like, in fact!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 08:14:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not real, not contentious, but still nice. Very much EU-like

Back to nanne's blandness of symbolic representation upthread.

But really, you should reexamine your basic attitude that {France|Europe} can do no wrong.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 08:18:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
my subject header was ironic and was precisely an "examination".

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 08:35:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have to back up Jérôme here. Tastes differ. In my eyes, the Euro baknote design is pretty decent, except for the whitespaces.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 14th, 2008 at 04:13:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
<snark>I never met a banker who didn't like some euro banknotes. ;-)
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 08:08:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Especially the €500 ones...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 08:09:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I should point out that the flag is the flag of the Council of Europe to which all countries west of the Urals and north of the Caucasus belong, except for Belarus.
The European flag and the European anthem were chosen and adopted by the Council of Europe before also becoming symbols of the European Union. They are now the emblems par excellence of a shared European identity.

...

The European flag has since become synonymous with a shared political project which unites all Europeans, transcending their diversity.




A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:03:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I hate too much of the show of national (and other) symbols. I hated it in Serbia and I hate it here in Australia.I don't think I could ever live in Amurika where every bloody house has a flag...unbearable
by vbo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:49:35 AM EST
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In the US it's so pervasive it looks both sinister and a case of protesting too much.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:31:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
[Eurosceptic Alert] [Eurosceptic Alert] [Eurosceptic Alert] [Eurosceptic Alert]
The Ode to Joy, a snappy motto and a waving flag: this is the recipe for a proud and happy European citizen, MEPs have decided.


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:42:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For those of our newer readers who wondered what the [Murdoch Alert] signifies: this.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:12:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
??? is the word 'this' supposed to be a link?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:55:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No, it is a reference to
The Ode to Joy, a snappy motto and a waving flag: this is the recipe for a proud and happy European citizen, MEPs have decided.

The European Parliament is to promote greater use of EU symbols in order to help people to identify with the union, even though the flag, motto and anthem have been criticised as the trappings of statehood.



A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:57:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
UK could suffer economicaly and socially with 'poor broadband' - Telegraph

Britain risks falling behind Europe and the rest of the world socially and economically because of poor broadband internet connection speeds, according to a new study, writes Claudine Beaumont.

Connection speeds in the UK, Spain and Italy fall just below the level of performance needed to deliver a good online user experience, said a team from the University of Oxford.

The researchers warned that future generations of web applications, such as web-based television and streaming of high-definition videos, will rely on high-speed, stable broadband internet connections, and that failure to upgrade existing networks could lead to significant disadvantages.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:15:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Note that this study looks only at speed, and not at penetration. I suspect that's how Russia comes out 17th. The U.S. is ahead of Russia, but only just: they are number 16.

I couldn't find the full study, but more details are here.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:38:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Look here (and test yourself).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:52:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, mine is 6014 kb/s and mine is the simplest and cheapest variant of connection.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:57:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh. Mine is 3,324 kB/s and it is the highest bandwidth option of my provider. With that I am slightly below the country median (48%).

I renewed my contract recently, and noticed that my provider barely increased the maximum over two years.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 04:02:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
New diary (with poll)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 04:09:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In Paris, Pope Calls for Revamp of Church-State Divide | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 12.09.2008
Referring to France as the Catholic Church's "eldest daughter," Pope Benedict began his four-day visit to the nation by calling upon the French to rethink the separation of religion and state.

Greeted by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife Carla Bruni when he arrived at Orly airport, the pontiff's visit to France comes at a time when the number of churchgoers in the country is plummeting.

Sarkozy made waves during a visit to the Vatican last year by calling for "positive secularism" in France. The twice-divorced lapsed Catholic suggested that religion had a place in public life.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  France has Europe's largest Muslim population

With his plea on Friday, Pope Benedict continued Sarkozy's train of thought.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:16:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

... calling upon the French to rethink the separation of religion and state.

Your FUCKING POPE now has my permission TO KISS MY HAIRY ASS !!!!!

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 05:39:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Your FUCKING POPE now has my permission TO KISS MY HAIRY ASS !!!!!

Don't say that in Italy - you could go to jail.

Fucking residues of monarchy.

by IdiotSavant on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:05:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How about,  Il tuo SCOPATA PAPA ora ha il mio permesso di KISS MY ASS HAIRY.

What will that get me?

McCain/Palin ... total sacks of SHIT!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 10:25:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Referring to France as the Catholic Church's "eldest daughter," Pope Benedict began his four-day visit to the nation by calling upon the French to rethink the separation of religion and state.

What is the nature of that relationship today? From the Renaissance through Louis XVI that relationship was spelled out in a "concordant" which gave that "eldest daughter's" hand in marriage to the French Monarchy, who got to "nominate" all the bishops!  The Pope had the privilege of "appointing" these "nominees."

I no longer remember what happened during the Restoration and subsequently.

   

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 11:08:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
For interesting values of 'revamp'.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:35:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift:  France has Europe's largest Muslim population

Nope, no Muslims in France, just Arabs and Africans. A few of which practise a religion.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:17:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The picture does show a Muslim woman.

I wonder though, how the numbers of practising Muslims compare between EU countries.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:23:39 AM EST
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By her clothes? Isn't religion a spiritual thing?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:09:04 AM EST
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No, religion is a doctrin and spirituality is a personal experience that needs not doctrin or religion. At least in my opinion.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:10:55 AM EST
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Exactly, yes. that's it in a nutshell. A doctrine, a political control mechanism.

Nothing to do with spirtituality in any way, shape or form.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:45:18 AM EST
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You Jacobins need to realise that denying the existence of subcultures doesn't mean they don't exist.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:11:47 AM EST
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I'm not sure he wasn't tongue-in-cheek - after all, said cloth featured highly in the Jacobin fight against religion in school recently.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:14:10 AM EST
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don't mind the existence of subcultures, just their use to express identity.

(I'm so glad to be part of a "we", pheeew)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 07:28:52 AM EST
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What is "identity", Jerome?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 07:29:29 AM EST
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Careful, that's approximately where I first began to go astray.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:04:24 PM EST
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How did I manage to miss that diary?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:35:01 PM EST
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I missed it as well.

Have a belated Recommend and a '4' for excellence.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 02:38:19 PM EST
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Arabs and Africans. A few of which practise a religion

If that religion is Islam, that would make them muslim, right?

Now, if your point is that they're taking the statistics for "Arab/North-African" and interpreting them as statistics for "Muslim", okay...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:15:31 AM EST
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I discovered today that Wikipedia does the same, mainly sourced to a BBC page yet again doing the same.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:16:41 AM EST
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Then there's the issue that France (for well-known historical reasons) doesn't collect race/ethnicity/religion statistics so once people are naturalised "French" there's no statistics. We only know about the foreign citizens of Arab/North African origin.


A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:20:05 AM EST
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Actually, France does collect "birthplace of parents", which are used to count "people of north african origins".

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:25:51 AM EST
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But you can't distinguish a pied noir from an Algerian Arab, can you?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:26:50 AM EST
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is that French "Muslims", like French "Christians" are largely secular. Thus "Arab" is a more precise descriptive word, with all its flaws, as it excludes fewer people in that group. Large numbers of French Arabs are not Muslim in any meaningful way.

This is all part of the American way of thinking, where atheists don't exist (or are godless commies). So saying "Arab" is anti-American.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 07:31:38 AM EST
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Thanks to that right wing inquisitors, we woke up to the delicate sounds of helicopters accompanied by Wagner's Valkyries flying over Paris

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:19:33 AM EST
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Brussels set to improve maternity leave conditions - EUobserver

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The European Commission intends to extend the minimum length of maternity leave from fourteen to eighteen continuous weeks, while ensuring a full salary.

"Longer leave would have a positive impact on the mother's health in general," the draft commission paper, seen by EUobserver, says, adding that full payment of wages or salary would prevent women from suffering financial losses during their time away from work.

The minimum length of maternity could be extended from 14 to 18 weeks

Currently, the duration of maternity leave varies from fourteen weeks in Germany to 28 weeks in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, with the possibility of extending it to 52 weeks in some countries.

A parent does not earn her or his full monthly salary during the entire time, however.

Brussels describes its proposal as a "modest increase, which respects what many member states have in place".

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:18:07 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israeli jailed over baby tragedy

An Israeli soldier has been removed from duty and jailed for two weeks for refusing to allow a Palestinian woman in labour to pass through a checkpoint.

The soldier was in command at the checkpoint outside the West Bank city of Nablus. The woman was trying to reach a hospital in the city.

She was forced to give birth at the checkpoint. Her baby was stillborn.

The Israeli army said the woman and her husband did not have the permit to allow the car to enter Nablus.

But the army said the incident, which occurred a week ago, could have been prevented.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:18:57 PM EST
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Fran:
Her baby was stillborn.

....

Perhaps because I'm moving into the age where parenthood is becoming an option, that I've friends who so desperately would like a child and struggle - my heart just wrenched on that one sentence.

No words.

by Nomad on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:50:06 AM EST
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Removed from duty. Not, we note, for breaking the rules but for being reported in the news for enforcing them. It's okay to shoot children for approaching a check point, it's okay to hold up an ambulance for hours until a woman dies...all so long as it isn't noticed in the press.

The IDF are not training a generation to be inhumane, they are training generations that palestinians are untermenschen and their misery deprivation and health is of no consequence to the master race.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:57:00 AM EST
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Gordon Brown faces mutiny as whip calls for leadership contest - Times Online

Gordon Brown suffered a shattering blow to his authority today as one of his own whips called for a contest to replace him as Labour leader.

Siobhain McDonagh confirmed that she was among a growing band of Labour MPs seeking to trigger a leadership election in the party's conference in a little over a week.

As assistant government whip, Ms McDonagh is the first member of Mr Brown's government to publicly call for his removal.

Within minutes of the news breaking she was out of a job, a Downing Street spokesman saying that if she had not already resigned she would be sacked.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:24:05 PM EST
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Eh?  Brown can fire MP's?
by Zwackus on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 06:42:01 PM EST
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No, but presumedly they took away her whip.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 11:11:44 PM EST
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I assume this is not what is meant with whip in this case. :-) So what does it really mean?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:59:12 AM EST
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Wikipedia:
Whip is a role in party-based politics whose primary purpose is to ensure control of the formal decision-making process in a parliamentary legislature. Whips are party 'enforcers', who typically offer both inducements and punishments to party members. In modern times, most whips are concerned primarily with ensuring a desired attendance for an important vote.
Because legislatures typically only require a majority of the quorum in attendance, a majority party can be outvoted if a large number of its legislators are absent and the opposition is in full attendance. An important part of a government whip's job is to ensure that this situation never arises; sufficient majority legislators must keep party attendance close enough to equality that the majority is slim, and the quorum cannot be busted by the departure of the majority legislators, this is difficult and can be exploited by the opposition to harass the majority.
Whip is also used to mean:
  • the voting instructions issued to members by the Whip, or
  • in Britain, a party's endorsement of a member of parliament; to 'withdraw the whip' is to expel an MP from his political party. (The elected member in question would retain his or her seat.)
When ARGeezer says "withdraw the whip" he's presumably just using the US meaning of "demote from party (assistant) whip" not the UK meaning of "expel from the party".

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:08:08 AM EST
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So that's why, you deleted your former comment, while I was trying to respond to it. Thanks for the information!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:14:05 AM EST
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The link was broken by the auto-formatter...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 05:21:59 AM EST
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It was a pun on the two or three possible meanings.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 06:54:27 AM EST
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Dmitry Medvedev says Georgia attack is 'Russia's 9/11' - Times Online

President Medvedev of Russia today likened last month's war with Georgia to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America, and vowed that the Kremlin would go to any lengths in future to protect its regional interests and Russian citizens everywhere.

Speaking to foreign academics and journalists at the giant GUM department store opposite the Kremlin, the Russian leader stepped up his defiant rhetoric against the West, which is fast becoming the hallmark of his short presidency.

"The world has changed and it occurred to me that August 8, 2008 has become for Russia what September 11, 2001 was for the United States. This is an accurate comparison corresponding to Russian realities," he said.

"Humankind has drawn lessons from the September 11 tragedy and other tragic events. I would like the world to draw lessons also from these events (in the Caucasus)," he said.

By this he means that in future he wants the outside world to take Russia's interests into consideration before taking steps, such as the eastward expansion of Nato to countries like Georgia and Ukraine and the deployment of US interceptor missiles to Poland.

[Murdoch Alert]
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:25:28 PM EST
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Vladimir Putin: 'Georgia? We couldn't just let Russia get a bloody nose' - Europe, World - The Independent

Whether prime Minister or President, the man holding forth across the vast dining table was unmistakably Vladimir Putin. Wagging his finger and occasionally clenching his fist, the man who many believe retains the real power in Russia denied that the world was entering a new Cold War, rejected claims that he wanted to restore the Soviet empire and insisted that a fresh arms race in Europe was avoidable.

His immediate concern, he made clear, was to defend his country's much-criticised action in Georgia. He stressed that Russia had no choice. "They attacked South Ossetia with missiles, tanks, heavy artillery and ground troops. What were we supposed to do?"

If his country had not invaded, he said, it would have been like Russia "getting a bloody nose and hanging its head down", and there would be a "second blow" into the north Caucasus.

Reminding his guests that he had been at the Olympics in Beijing when the crisis broke out, Mr Putin said he was "astonished, astounded," by the world media silence on the Georgian aggression. "What did you expect us to do? Respond with a catapult? We punched the aggressor in the face, as all the military text books prescribe."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:27:38 PM EST
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Oh so subtle.... Compares to Putin's twisted comparison of Saddam's levelling of Shi'a villages and Georgia's shelling of South Ossetian villages in the originally skipped parts of that ARD interview diaried by Martin.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:40:31 PM EST
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Peter Lavelle  /  Blog  @ RussiaToday Worse than the Cold War


The current Russia-West bilateral relationship is at an extreme low. And the oft asked question about the return to a new Cold War misses the point. A return to the Cold War is simply impossible. The same historical, ideological, and political imperatives do not exist today. However, the conflict brewing between Russia and the West could become far worse than the US-Soviet standoff of the past.

This is how all of this seen from Moscow: The US supported a direct attack against Russia. That attack failed. Nonetheless, the aggressor is rewarded and the victims blamed. This will be remembered.

We are not returning to anything resembling the Cold War. What we are seeing unfold is a very different and challenging conflict. The US has demonstrated yet again that it refuses to acknowledge Russia's own self-defined interests (in every sense) and it will even use military force to undermine any country that defies Washington's unilateralism.

by blackhawk on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 04:14:24 PM EST
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Noam Chomsky @ Counterpunch Towards a Second Cold War?


Aghast at the atrocities committed by US forces invading the Philippines, and the rhetorical flights about liberation and noble intent that routinely accompany crimes of state, Mark Twain threw up his hands at his inability to wield his formidable weapon of satire. The immediate object of his frustration was the renowned General Funston. "No satire of Funston could reach perfection," Twain lamented, "because Funston occupies that summit himself... [he is] satire incarnated."

Nonetheless, a new cold war seems unlikely. To evaluate the prospect, we should begin with clarity about the old cold war. Fevered rhetoric aside, in practice the cold war was a tacit compact in which each of the contestants was largely free to resort to violence and subversion to control its own domains: for Russia, its Eastern neighbors; for the global superpower, most of the world. Human society need not endure - and might not survive - a resurrection of anything like that.

by blackhawk on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 04:57:41 PM EST
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US politics, in my estimation, has now become satire-proof on similar grounds.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (argeezer a in a circle yahoo dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 11:14:31 PM EST
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That's a pretty bad article, complete with a misreading of Chris Patten.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:37:13 AM EST
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You have to create your own reality on the ground.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:20:09 AM EST
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Oh, please!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 03:36:06 AM EST
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EU accused over failure to tackle illegal logging - Telegraph

Europe is the largest market for timber in the world. However, up to a fifth of imports are illegally felled from protected rainforests.

The European Commission was meant to bring forward legislation this week to end the trade inside EU borders.

But the vote was delayed and environment groups now fear it could be years before any decision is made.

Leading environmental groups including the World Wildlife Fund, Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth have written to President of the EU Manuel Barroso to demand legislation is brought forward.

Deforestation accounts for 20 per cent of all greenhouse gas emissions, more carbon dioxide than is produced by all worldwide transport, and the group fear that the EU's inaction on illegal logging signals wider complacency over climate change.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 03:45:21 PM EST
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While the international press drools over the torrid softporn sexpot Mara Carfagna and her ridiculous bill to get prostitutes out of sight, Alitalia sinks into oblivion after Berlusconi happily crammed its debts up the collective italica ass.

But perhaps what is newsworthy is the treasury police raid tonight in the offices of the left weekly, l'Espresso, after it published the confessions of one of the key "second level" figures who ran the illegal dumping racket in the Campania region for the past decades. Perhaps it's old age or he's just tired of seeing close associates assassinated these past months over the investigation into the Mondragone rackets. Whatever, Vassallo Gaetano is talking, and he's talking politics. He's got plenty to say about how parties handled illegal waste together with the Camorra.

Perhaps the most embarrassing case is of that grinning guy who always turns up in pictures next to super B when he goes down to Naples. As everyone knows, super B cleaned up Naples like Hercules in the Augean stables- and in less time than the good lord made the world. The guy in question is Nicola Cosentino, regional head of B's personal political entity, who according to Vassallo and others is up to his neck in illegal waste. I suppose that at his ripe age, B did need a helping hand. And who better would know how to clean up than he who made the mess in the first place?

Andreotti once remarked that to think the worst of someone may be a sin, but you're usually dead right.

I wonder if this will make the news. Grinning mobsters instead of tits and ass? No way.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Fri Sep 12th, 2008 at 05:49:39 PM EST
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Too much good material from you only in comment form!

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:09:58 AM EST
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And not only this time...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 13th, 2008 at 04:36:22 AM EST
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