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by Jerome a Paris
Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:50:01 AM EST

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It's raining again!  We've got flooding between Cardiff and Bridgend which has stopped the trains running.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:52:09 AM EST
What's that they say? Flood me once, shame on you, flood me twice, shame on me?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:53:16 AM EST
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Our local lines are rubbish.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:54:25 AM EST
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Because they haven't been privatised enough?

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:55:19 AM EST
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That'll be it.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:00:15 AM EST
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you want to try the heart of wales line, or the cambrian line if you really want to understand Rubbish. I think i've been on alternate bus or taxi services covering upto 80 miles rather than trains they cant get to run, or covering for land slippage.

both have good views, which is a positive when you're sitting doing 20 miles an hour, or stationary for half an hour waiting for the train to come the other way.


Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:59:13 AM EST
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But now you're in chester, which probably means you'll be flooded by the Severn any minute.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:00:20 AM EST
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it's the Dee not the Severn i'd be flooded by.

but I think the rain coming down is going to beat the river rising up.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:10:59 AM EST
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... when the Sydney train was stopped, it seemed like it was always with a view of something like a car recyclers, rather than, like, the oysterbeds on the Hawkesbury River.

One time I remember it was stuck south of Glendale (south of Cardiff station) coming up to Newcastle, but at night, so what should have been a pleasant view was not available.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:08:57 PM EST
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course it's all this electrickery that does it. Never used to happen in steam days.

It's raining here too, but not as much. Tho it's cold like October rather than September.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 09:59:21 AM EST
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The third rail, that is. If you used catenaries you could withstand some rain...

(Amazing to have to talk about infrastructure not being rain-proof in England - um, Wales - of all places)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:04:11 AM EST
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Nope, third rail is almost entirely restricted to southern region, ie south of london. No, it's the signalling, points and track control that goes to pot. All of which used to be mechanical and is now electrical.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:24:52 AM EST
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Word is that Cardiff Pride tomorrow has been cancelled due to the weather. Cooper's field is too waterlogged.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:12:08 AM EST
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are on the line - what do y'all think about the Foyle's War series? (Full disclosure - my wife and I are fans of many English murder-mystery shows, Dickens' dramas, Austen's books, etc.) Upshot is that we think it's about the best of the genre.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:51:47 AM EST
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Not read any myself, caught the odd tv adaptation, they're ok. i'll grab a couple from the library, see if they're instantly obvious. (I hate being able to work out who did it in the first ten pages)

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:56:34 AM EST
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It's okay. I've sat and watched a few episodes, which is more than I can say of 95% of UK TV. But it's still just formula telly.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:58:07 AM EST
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I've not read any or seen the TV series although it seems to be popular.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:18:33 AM EST
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After two days of heavy rain, there is finally a some sunshine, though I am not sure it will stay for long.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:17:09 PM EST
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Mumbai today looks a lot like that stretch between Cardiff and Bridgend. Monsoon...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:50:15 PM EST
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but, probably, warmer? :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:04:51 PM EST
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Just a little... :-D
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:08:08 PM EST
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Sunny pleasant late summer day here in Colorado. Autumn doesn't really start for another couple of months...

by asdf on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:00:10 AM EST
I'm very pleased for you.
< wince>

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:00:55 AM EST
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grrrrr

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:01:03 AM EST
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if the doorbell rings and a griining madman throws a bucket of rain over you, it's probably me. unless other people here beat me to it.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:08:50 AM EST
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Group outing?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:32:39 AM EST
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Let's gatecrash! (Assuming US immigration lets us through)

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:34:13 AM EST
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Barbecue at ASDF's!
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:37:53 AM EST
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a bollo!!! Eeeeehhh!!!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:42:27 AM EST
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during the Summer in C Springs. Do you still have that phenomenon? Very gentle and brief - just enough to cool down the day slightly.


paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:54:30 AM EST
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"1:00 o'clock rain, gentle and brief"

Not really. The summer weather pattern on the front range of the Rocky Mountains is cool nights, typically around 50, followed by clear, hot morning, frequently above 90, and then clouds building to huge, violent thunderstorms in the afternoon, with clearing skies later--usually sunny again by supper time. The thunderstorms are localized events, and if they miss you then they are merely impressive but if they hit then you may suffer lightning, hail damage, tornadoes, and flooding. There is a tornado watch in Colorado Springs typically once a week in the summer; a high school east of town was destroyed a couple of years ago.

We are now transitioning to the winter weather pattern, which is less violent.

by asdf on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 08:45:59 PM EST
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Oh and I hate BT. having been given the wrong number, at the new house they informed me the problem would take 24 to 48 hours to sort out and the correct number be issued. so today nothing has happened. I get told that I shouldnt have been told that, it is in fact three working days. BT's technical department is refusing to take my new number from my ISP, till theyve changed it, so my ISP cannot book my new broadband till Monday(If BT dont mess up) then im stuck with a 5 day wait till im connected.

Im at least a touch irritated.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:06:31 AM EST
My main phone line has died - probably because of the rain.

One of the two lines dies every six to nine months or so.

I complain every time, but fixing it permanently seems to be beyond the BT skillset functional parameter envelope of strategic ongoingness.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:34:59 AM EST
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On a quartely horizon it's cheaper to dispatch a subcontractor to fix it than to replace the line with a more robust one... Probably even on a 6 to 9 month horizon...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:36:33 AM EST
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If you've got a decent ISP get them to complain to BT about your line, BT tend to be more willing to fix things for other businesses, as they can possibly sue for causing disruption to their trade.

Mine is more than willing to give them earache, and managed to get lines installed to locations that BT were saying were impossible.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:52:10 AM EST
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Autumn, my foot.  There's a Tropical Storm Watch from South Carolina to New Jersey.  Which is fine, except that it's going to make things ridiculously hot and humid again.  And just when the weather was turning quite nice.

Stupid friggin' ocean.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:24:59 AM EST
Nobody made you live in a mosquito swamp. You had the whole of the USA to choose from.

Are VP candidates supposed to answer questions during the campaign. And how might it play if Palin doesn't ? I mean, is anybody likely to call them on it ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:08:48 AM EST
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Not true.  There were no jobs anywhere else, since I entered the market right around the time things began going to shit.

They'll never call her on it at this point.  The press, as you know, is on the other side's team.  I'd love to be proven wrong, but that's my bet.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:45:35 PM EST
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Guardian - Michael Tomasky's blog

This, from the Dallas Morning News, about sums it up:

The reception honoring black participants at the Republican National Convention had it all - tasty food, an open bar and a little swag.

The only thing missing was the black delegates.

About 50 people showed, but not a single black delegate. Like I said, the anthropological differences are pretty astounding



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:49:51 AM EST
LOL

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:51:03 AM EST
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I've started a comment thread about who's arriving when in Paris.

If you're not on the list and have some details, please share. Sorry about the format, I got told off for using a sotry address.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 10:54:09 AM EST
Question for the group:

Now that  my Embryonic Police State is off and running, I have another idea (or two ... wince?) for another weekly diary series.  Would I be overextending my welcome (I AM an American immigrant to ET after all) if I started yet ANOTHER series ... don't want to be an ET space hog.

What think you?

The rooster crows at MIDNITE. Ooooooooooh!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:06:08 AM EST
Diaries are always welcome. I think the problem generally is too few, not too many.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:13:01 AM EST
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I think you don't need to ask.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:13:55 AM EST
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Here are the two ideas; I'll go with one if the crowd approves:

1.  My first exposure to blogging; dKos, little over a year ago; didn't like their "my way or the highway" attitude; fuck that shit; did think that Bill in Portland Maine was quite good; sent him an email; pre-he was getting paid for the gig; asked him if he worked alone, did he accept outsider material; said politely that he was a one man show; Oh well.

So, how about a weekly ET humor bit; I (we?) could give old Bill a run for his money, given the ET crowd?

2. I did a little bit at Docudharma before coming here.  Tried to get those folks interested in a regular Monday Nite (American) Football blog - live while the game goes on.  A true drunken, swearing  time for all.  Mind you, this is at 6 PM CA time on Mondays, 2 AM for you Europeans so probably an American thing.

Those are my 2 current ideas.  Don't be kind.  If they both stink, tell me now.

The rooster crows at MIDNITE. Ooooooooooh!

by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:36:30 AM EST
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That's not how it works.

You write a diary. If the crowd approves it gets recommended.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:39:40 AM EST
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This is what I will do; just got back from my AM walk; my back needs some rest; I'll let you folks weigh in on the 2; if I don't get a preference from you folks, I'll try the humor one first; more general; less American.  Check back in 3 -4 hrs.  bye.

The rooster crows at MIDNITE. Ooooooooooh!
by THE Twank (paszeski__aaaaaaatttttt__yahoo.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:47:10 AM EST
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There's really no need to ask for permission. If you have some ideas for diaries then go for it - we can't really comment on diaries that haven't been written. if you get no recs and no comments then it's fallen flat and there's your answer. Or it might turn out to be popular.  If there's something you want to do then just give it a go.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:43:41 AM EST
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Anyone heard of tempered radicalism before?  I've been given a paper on it to read, highly recommended apparently. If it lives up to expectations I will diary it.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:28:36 AM EST
I've heard of bad-tempered radicalism: we get outbreaks of that here....
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 11:52:06 AM EST
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Bah.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:27:14 PM EST
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Double bah.  No links or citations from wiki.  (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:48:32 PM EST
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I'd like to read it.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!
by ATinNM on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:26:03 PM EST
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And I've got a link, too short for a diary, too long for a Open Thread comment, I'd like to present and a "Tempered Radicalism" diary would be perfect.

And even On Topic!

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:29:43 PM EST
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That sounds promising!  I'll try to get the diary up over the weekend if you can wait that long?!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:36:31 PM EST
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See "Sub-Contractor Hell" comment, below.

I've got a little chore to do and a short errand to run.

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:51:40 PM EST
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VLM Magazine: September 2008

The transatlantic economy is hugely important to businesses both in the US and Europe. The Center for Transatlantic Relations at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore estimates that trade between the continents generates more than $3.75 trillion in sales every year and directly employs up to 14 million workers on both sides of the Atlantic. Investment by American companies in Europe is around three times the size of their stake in Asia, and American investment in the Netherlands is a whopping $33bn, in excess of US investment in all of developing Asia ($26bn). This relationship works both ways - no other region has invested as much in the US as Europe, with its companies accounting for nearly three quarters of inward investment. In all, some 40% of all global trade takes place between the EU and US.

And yet the purely economic influence of the US on European economies is declining, contends Nanne Zwagerman, a Dutch blogger on the European Tribune website. "The trade flows between the EU and the US have grown at a slower pace than overall economic growth in the EU, which means that the influence of the US on the European market has declined," he says. "However, both Europe and the US will, in the long term, have a declining influence on the world market, as the growth rates of their economies are lower than the global average. This shared decline could lead to greater economic cooperation, and thus paradoxically to a greater influence of the US on European economic policy."

P.S. about page.

Discuss...

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:00:53 PM EST
I find the writer's faith in McCain's statement about pursuing a free trade deal with the EU rather disturbing.

  1. The previous Republican administration has shown a preference for protectionism for swing state economies that vote Repub. Not sure why it is assumed McCain would really want to change that.

  2. Any wide-ranging "free trade" deal is likely to hit stumbling blocks like US objections to REACH, GM food labelling, GM crop trials, Airbus/Boeing policy and more.

  3. It's pretty doubtful that events in the banking market are going to be pretty any time soon. That rather puts a deal on financial services more on ice...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:04:29 PM EST
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Well, yes. A free trade zone as such does not require harmonised standards or even mutual recognition. But of course the existing conflicts do eehm... make the atmosphere more of an issue. Nonetheless, realistically speaking I think we are headed for greater cooperation (because Sarkozy and Merkel want it).

FYI, this is the full text of my fair and balanced reply:

1. What impact can a new US president, of any political persuasion, have on business in Europe.

There are three related international political 'arenas' where any new US president could have a major impact on business in Europe.

The first, and most obvious, are the climate change negotiations through the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). Both candidates have forwarded domestic proposals. A cap and trade scheme for emissions trading will be launched in the USA, although it is unclear how high the cap will be, and whether emissions will be auctioned. If the USA sets a sufficiently high domestic goal, a new international agreement that succeeds the Kyoto protocol will be signed. If the major developing countries do not take up restrictions under that agreement, the parties that do are likely to introduce border adjustment taxes for 'embodied carbon' with regard to those states (which is possible under WTO rules). International aviation and shipping are likely to be included in the new protocol. Action on climate change by the USA means that the regulatory playing field will be leveled for European heavy industry. Whether this happens only with regard to the USA, or globally, depends upon success in international negotiations.

The second would be in the Doha round of international trade negotiations. These negotiations are stuck. There have been differences between the US and the EU during the course of negotiations, but these have to some extent been resolved (although they might re-emerge as Sarkozy is questioning the mandate of Mandelson). The major problem is a disagreement between the US and EU and a group of large developing countries. It will take dedicated attention from the highest level to turn these negotiations around. Both candidates are interested in free trade, but have their pros and cons. Obama is reluctant about free trade itself, due to the influence of economic populism in his party, and McCain will be reluctant about the inclusion of social and environmental standards in trade agreements. Due to the general mood in the US, it is unlikely that Congress will grant the new President 'fast track authority' for negotiations. All of these problems render a new general agreement unlikely. However, there may be partial agreements, such as sectoral agreements on particular types of manufacturing goods, and on environmental goods and services. A general deal would have disruptive consequences for several European industries, notably agriculture, but would be beneficial for financial services.

The third, and least obvious, is in transatlantic economic cooperation. Managed through the Transatlantic Economic Council, this is currently on a mostly technical level. However, there are calls for increasing the strategic and political content of cooperation. It is quite possible that there will be a successful push for this by several EU states, led by France, as there is a general trend to increase the strategic nature and political control of bureaucratic entities, witnessed for instance by the newly born 'Mediterranean Union'. Greater political control over transatlantic economic cooperation would empower it to deal with big current economic issues more flexibly, but may also increase the possiblity that some new, general restrictions will be instated as older, national restrictions are eliminated.

Domestic policies will also have an impact. The big issue is the policy of the Federal Reserve. If the new President will follow a fiscally prudent, strong dollar policy, that will improve the situation for European exporters. However, I see little chance for this. McCain is committed to continuing spending on the war on Iraq and will likely push for upholding the Bush tax cuts. Obama will increase spending on domestic entitlement programmes and has committed to only raising taxes on the rich while retaining the tax cuts for the middle class.

2. Does the US have a growing or declining influence on European economies?

The purely economic influence of the US on European economies is declining. This decline can to some extent be measured. For instance, the trade flows between the EU and the USA have grown at a slower pace than overall economic growth in the EU. This means that the influence of the US on the European market has declined. Generally, however, EU trade with the rest of the world has grown at a higher pace than overall economic growth. This indicates an even larger relative decline of the USA. The share of the US in trade flows has especially fallen in goods, less so in services. In terms of foreign direct investment flows, there has been no decline. It has to be added that both Europe and the United States will on the long term have a declining influence on the world market, as the growth rates of their economies are lower than the global average. This shared decline could lead to greater economic cooperation, and thus paradoxically to a greater influence of the US on European economic policy.

3. In which parts of the European economy is American money most important?

In the European economy, American money is most important for financial services. Nearly half of all FDI stocks are in financial services. In turn, over half of all FDI stock in the EU is from the US.

4. Who amongst the European business community would welcome a Republican president, and why?
5. Who amongst the European business community would most welcome a Democrat president, and why?

I don't know the European business community that well. On the face of it, John McCain should be better for the oil industry due to his calls for more exploration and his promise to stay the course in Iraq (where several European firms are also working). On the other hand, most of the benefits from those policies will flow to US companies. Which goes for most economic policies either candidate would enact.

There may be a perception that a Democratic President will be more protectionist, which will lead the financial sector to hope for a Republican President. However, I think that this perception is not accurate with regard to Obama.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:31:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How did you get involved with that then ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:18:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The author of the piece contacted me by mail, probably because of this diary /blog post over on my own place. I didn't even realise that it was thru eurotrib.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:35:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Why do you think a decline of EU's and US's share of globale economy will lead to greater cooperation. This is not standard economic. That would be more a 'Newtonian' model or so.

I don't think for Europe the decision who will become US president has a major impact on European economy at all. Maybe McCain would be bit better, judged by McCain's reaction to the EADS/Airbus deal compared with Obama's reaction. But in the end, I think there are more important issues than some trade improvements at stake in the election.
This would have been an issue for the primaries.


Lich King/Caribou Barbie 08
Pain brings Katharsis

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 02:25:15 PM EST
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The reason is that the EU and the US share perceived economic interests and that our elites are very taken in with the idea. It's part of a general feeling that we need to do more together to face the rising BRICS. Simple oppositional thinking.

The naked capitalism post has too many conditions held equal, by the way, to serve as more than a hypothetical case.

I don't believe McCain will be very principled about his free trade stance. See e.g.

McCain calls for probe of DHL, a company he once advised - USATODAY.com

Republican John McCain called Thursday for a federal investigation into plans by the DHL shipping company that could cost 10,000 jobs here, as he and his campaign manager took criticism for helping DHL complete a merger in 2003 that led to its current plans.

With Democrats and labor groups blaming McCain and his campaign manager Rick Davis for their role in the threat to local jobs, McCain moved to demonstrate his concern about possible job losses in this critical swing state that gave President Bush the electoral votes needed for re-election in 2004.


This is all about swing state politics. Obama, too, has been all over the map.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:29:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, for crying out loud!!!

Times Online [UK]: EU clears Berlusconi over Roma gypsies

The centre-Right Government of Silvio Berlusconi today declared that it had been "fully vindicated" after the European Commission said the fingerprinting of Roma gypsies in Italian camps did not amount to ethnic discrimination and was in line with EU law.

...

A Commission spokesman said Brussels was satisified that in conducting a census of Roma gypsies in camps as part of its crackdown on street crime since coming to power in May, the Berlusconi Government was not seeking ''data based on ethnic origin or religion". The controversial fingerprinting programme had the sole aim of ''identifying persons who cannot be identified in any other way".

The fingerprinting of minors was only being carried out ''in strictly necessary cases and as the ultimate possibility of identification,'' the statement said. However the Commission would continue to monitor the way the survey was being carried out.

[Murdoch Alert]

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:01:52 PM EST
The controversial fingerprinting programme had the sole aim of ''identifying persons who cannot be identified in any other way".

It's not going to be used like that thought is it?
What fucking imbeciles took this decision?  To only seek out a particular group for fingerprinting/census screams of human rights breaches.


Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:06:25 PM EST
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The EU Commission's Justice Commissioner or his minions at the DG Justice, Fredom and Secutiry.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:26:33 PM EST
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E-Health Insider :: Police to get access to national child database

Police are to be given access to the Government's new children's database, in order to search for evidence of criminal activity.

The Government confirmed last night that police would be able to apply for access to the system, which was originally conceived as a means to help protect every child in England from the risk of harm or abuse.

However, in a move likely to dismay privacy campaigners, police will be able to request archived data for a number of reasons, such as "the prevention or detection of crime" and "the prosecution of offenders".

The £224m ContactPoint system, being developed by CapGemini, is due to launch this autumn. The system will hold data on all children under 18 in England.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:39:50 PM EST
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Oh you really didn't think the EU would stand up to them, did you ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:19:30 PM EST
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How the mighty have fallen...

Even in the 1990's you could have counted on it.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:28:01 PM EST
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I actually did. Stupid me.
by MarekNYC on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:31:36 PM EST
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The European Court of Justice could still overturn this.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:38:42 PM EST
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Yes, as Mig says "there was a time...", but that was before Blair, Mandelson and their fetid clique demonstrated the real value of utter corporate-whoring cynicism. this isn't letting off the head of the Italian govt, it's genuflecting to moneyed interests embodied by the head of the Italian govt.

Money is might and might makes right.

 

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:41:23 PM EST
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In this case Blair is a symptom, not the disease. The rot is deeper and wider and not due to him.

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:17:43 AM EST
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It's spring. SPRING!!!!

I walked on bare feet and T-shirt last Saturday. Of course then Jozi got hit by a late spell of Antarctic cold which came close to freeze off a testicle. But today spring has come back with a vengeance.

Free jazz and picnic at Zoo Lake on Sunday hurray!

But first an exciting night of... taxes....... If I behave mildly insane tonight, you know the reason.

by Nomad on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:05:03 PM EST
It's near the September Equinox!!!

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:27:34 PM EST
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I'm with you, Nomad. Summer's coming, summer's coming!

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 05:00:08 PM EST
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Sub-Contractor Hell (New Mexico version):

Went to put in a shower surround in a bath room and:

  1.  The damn sub-con installed the shower base cockeyed to the walls.
  2.  The two short walls he put in aren't square to to the long wall
  3.  The shower base is twisted in the y dimension

AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

So now I have to:

  1. Make a 2 hour round-trip drive to a Builder's Supply store to purchase tile, mastic, and backer board

  2.  Re-jigger the walls so they are square and plumb to the shower base (hopeless to try and square the base)

  3.  Spend two days, off and on, tiling and grouting the %&*@! shower

And I wasted the $400 spent on the integrated surround.

"The first thing we do is kill the sub-contractors.  It's OK because the Devil will know his own."

Och nu den svenska kocken bakar en Alaskan älg jägare. Bonk! Bonk! Bonk!

by ATinNM on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:46:52 PM EST
A real moose-hunter living in the outback wouldn't need  no stinkin' sub-contractors. He'd do it himself, with tools fashioned from the bones of the animals he'd killed.
by MarekNYC on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:07:44 PM EST
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I think that real moose hunters do without shower surrounds...
by asdf on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 08:49:55 PM EST
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Todd Palin's former business partner has just filed (and been denied) an emergency motion to seal his divorce papers.

Did the Enquirer have it right again?

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:50:42 PM EST
But seriously, you guys need to focus on focusing the blame for this absurd circus... otherwise it's just that.

...

Is it just me, or have we entered an even more frantic phase of the US Presidential campaign?

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 12:56:14 PM EST
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I literally can't see this woman on television with hearing "Jer-ry! Jer-ry! Jer-ry!" in my head anymore.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 01:03:09 PM EST
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Thanks Drew. That image has infected me now. I hope a flock of mosquitoes come to feast on your arse.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:43:06 PM EST
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Nothin' like some good ol' fashioned American white trash teevee.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:57:35 PM EST
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I cant here that chant anymore without thinking that the tunes are missing having seen Jerry Springer-the opera.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:17:59 PM EST
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How is it that the polls that dKos reports on show Obama with consistent 4% leads, yet every media outlet, including in the UK say that McCain and Obama are tied ?

And also the state polls show that McCain's situation is even worse. Yet in the tradmed....nada. Are they lying or do they have Rovian maths ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:46:50 PM EST
Just check http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 03:48:43 PM EST
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310:227

Yes, totally tied.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:47:19 PM EST
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They're basing it on one poll by CBS that had Obama and McCain tied at 42 after showing Obama up 8 points just a few days before.  Every other poll has Obama at 48/49 and McCain in the low- to mid-40s (as always).  In other words, it's a pretty good bet CBS has an outlier on their hands.

Hotline basically says the race hasn't moved since the Palin speech.  Gallup and Ras probably say the same, since Monday was clearly a very good night -- too good, truth be told, I think -- of polling for Obama (and Monday dropped out of the averages today).  So in fact the race may not be closing at all.

If McCain's speech really was a bust with the general public last night, I don't expect you'll see much more continued movement to him.  Maybe a bit.  Or it might be that McCain's bounce ramps up a bit, leaving us at basically an even race.

But you know by now that everything is good news for John McCain.

And you know by now that the Chicken Littles will piss their pants over every little Tweetgasm and Concern-Trolling in the tradmed.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:05:16 PM EST
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Every poll that has Obama and McCain even will get reported, as well as every poll in which McCain narrows the margin significantly, as if it is the actual state of the race.

European journalists collectively think that the US is too racist to elect Obama. Every poll that indicates McCain winning is an 'I told you so' moment.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 04:43:46 PM EST
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Well, to be fair, while I don't think race will lose him this election, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

My personal emotions towards the contest so far swing between satisfied and annoyed.  It's going roughly as I expected it to go.  I keep hoping we're arriving at the breaking point -- that it will "pop" permanently and be easy-ish from that point on.  But we haven't hit it, at least not yet.

That annoys me, because at some point I'm left to think, "Wow, maybe the country really is too stupid to get its shit together."

And, of course, the press annoys me, which is why I don't bother watching the news (but have learned to gauge press behavior pretty accurately based on what's being discussed on the blogs).

But, then again, McCain has only led in, I think, about six of the last one hundred and twenty polls.  Another ten or so have been tied, and the rest have gone for Obama.  So I know the votes are there to win it, and my gut feeling is that it's simply a matter of giving undecided voters time (obviously barring some kind of epic scandal).

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 05:09:43 PM EST
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Of course. This race is Obama's to lose, and the dynamics are going exactly the way Atrios said they would, a few months ago. Down to the debates. The prediction is that most people will break to Obama in the last week if he holds his own against McCain.

With 39 million watching McCain's speech, though, Obama might be in for another temporary bump in the polls.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 05:17:29 PM EST
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Plus the media wants to paint a tight race for ratings and to ensure their self-importance.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 07:34:44 PM EST
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... headline rate of 6.1%. 6.1% is the worst in five years ... basically wiping out all the recovery since the 2001-2003 employment-recession. The raw U6 figure was 10.8% in July, 10.7% in August (July is a seasonal high unemployment month, August is neutral).

I'd like a full time job. Sucks to be me, I guess.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 05:03:39 PM EST
Being a real economist must make it all the more painful :-(

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:21:49 AM EST
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... makes it especially painful.

Being a real economist means I know that its not personal ... after this many years running away from the infrastructure investment that the nation needs, you can't expect there to be work for everyone ready, willing and able to work.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:17:03 PM EST
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I mean that you know it needn't be this way...

A vivid image of what should exist acts as a surrogate for reality. Pursuit of the image then prevents pursuit of the reality -- John K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 05:58:49 AM EST
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... knowing that it needn't be this way, I know that it could not only be better, but it could also be massively worse.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 11:17:31 AM EST
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Why is it that when McCain said in his speech "change is coming", I thought of Young Mr Grace saying "you're all doing very well".

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 05:13:29 PM EST
It really sounded like a goodbye rather than a speech that said, "I'm in it to win it."

Here's a fun one:

So Sambo beat the bitch!

So said Sarah Palin when Obama beat Clinton.

What a lovely little skank.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri Sep 5th, 2008 at 05:54:47 PM EST
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It will be nice to think Obama might say the same back at her come November.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:00:29 AM EST
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I don't think Obama or Biden could get away with saying something like that.  They both have pretty tough wives who'd probably smack them senseless for it.

Where's your motherf*%&ing flag pin?
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:53:18 AM EST
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