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by Jerome a Paris
Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:31:38 AM EST


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Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:37:11 AM EST
'Murka doesn't seem to have liked Grandpa's speech.

Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll (Likely Voters):

Obama 49 (48)
McCain 46 (46)

Happy.  Happy.  Happy.  Joy.  Joy.  Joy.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:45:28 AM EST
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But what's wrong with America that it isn't 59-36 ? I mean, that's nearly half the voting public think McCain's sickly grin is a good idea for the next four years.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:47:32 AM EST
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True, but the fact that he's not getting a bounce out of his convention has to leave the Reps very, very worried.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:48:52 AM EST
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The usual rule seems to be that a third of the population are authoritarian crazies. Another 10% are either too stupid to have any idea what's happening, or will be taking anti-Obama press at face value.

49% under those conditions is phenomenal.

Palin must have pulled in the base and alienated everyone else. The bad news is that she has demonstrated the sleazy mean-spiritedness and thuggish corruption of character which could make her a player in the R establishment.

I'm not so worried that she'll win this election. I'm more concerned about a run in 2012 or 2016, when conditions could be more favourable for an authoritarian kook run.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:04:18 AM EST
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That's roughly my thinking.  About one-third would never vote for Obama (or any Democrat).  The racists are included in that, along with the homophobes and xenophobes.  Another 10% are complete idiots.

About 15-20% are wafflers who'll trend towards the candidate for whom the wind is blowing, and for the candidate who makes the most powerful-sounding case.  I don't think there can be any doubt that the wind is blowing the Dems' way, and, having now watched both speeches, I think it's reasonable (understated, actually) to say that Obama's acceptance speech was the more powerful- and authoritative-sounding.  (Not that that's saying much.  Obama is a gifted speaker along the lines of Clinton and Reagan -- probably a little more raw talent than either one -- while McCain is a terrible speaker even by the Bush Standard.)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:22:15 AM EST
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Caribou Barbie was selected to rally the troglodytes; she is a tool.  The fact she was selected over more experienced women just goes to show how the GOP actually, versus the mouthy-mouthly, views women.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:24:26 AM EST
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Caribou Barbie was chosen to rally the base, first and foremost, but also in a desperate attempt to grab women in the middle.  So far, they're 1-for-2.  Women in the middle do not seem to like her.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:28:38 AM EST
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Have you guys trademarked "Caribou Barbie"?  When Hasbro comes out with the Action Figure, you'll want your cut.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:35:58 AM EST
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Alas, I shamelessly stole it from someone over on Wonkette.

It may have come from somewhere else, originally, Further I Cannot Say.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:48:24 PM EST
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Damn!  Remember "G.I. Joe with the kung-fu grip"?  What about "Caribou Barbie with the kung-fu crotch"? OUCH!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:29:49 PM EST
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Pulllll-ease  Raise tone out of gutter.  Thank you.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:41:53 PM EST
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But that cuts out 90% of my best stuff.  Aw Maaaaaaaa.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:55:17 PM EST
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Are you itching for a new pancake war? :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:37:11 AM EST
What is it with pancakes anyway ? sicky sweet nastiness. Give me a beer anyday

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:45:55 AM EST
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I quite agree.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 09:49:29 AM EST
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Have it with lemon juice then!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:24:29 AM EST
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While in no wish wishing to ignite pancake controversy.... ;-)

The point is Calvinistic: play must be balanced by work, pleasure balanced by pain, sweetness by the sour, and fat must be balanced by acids. You don't go loading sweetness on sweetness, calories on calories, with your disgusting maple syrup. You BALANCE ;-)

I shall now retire before the sugar fundamentalists come out to play ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:55:34 AM EST
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the maple syrup controversy. Maple syrup (real maple syrup) was the second most important gift of aboriginal Americans to the European invaders (maize was number one).

The trick is not to make sweet pancakes - just eggs, flour, milk, wheat germ, brewer's yeast, and vanilla. And, per Fran, et al., crepe style.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:59:18 AM EST
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Paul, if you want to be the peace maker in this controversy, you are putting yourself in a difficult position. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:01:34 PM EST
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I am not a fan of maple syrup.  But I bought a bottle a couple of years back to make a Christmas recipe (that turned out to be too sweet to eat) and the leftover syrup was still in the cupboard come Shrove Tuesday.

The teensiest drizzle on pancakes (proper ones), however, with a generous squeezing of lemon juice...mmmmmm....

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:47:39 PM EST
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Maple Syrup has a bitter metallic aftertaste to it, and I cannot stand it.  I have some weird tongue thing, I think, probably genetic or something.

Fake American syrup is just fine, and I quite like it.  I love slathering it over thick whole grain blueberry pancakes, for a massive shocking sweetness.  I love sweet things.

But sadly, real Maple Syrup is becoming more and more popular, and more and more common at restaurants in the US.  Given the massive snob quotient that comes with it, I get some odd looks when asking if I can get some fake/regular syrup instead of the maple.

by Zwackus on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:04:00 PM EST
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Ahh, so you blame natural maple syrup for being the bionic man/person?  (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 10:30:51 AM EST
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So the french thing of adding butter and sugar to crepes - out?
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:09:26 PM EST
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Lemon juice and sugar!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:19:31 PM EST
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(Pssst In Wales... hold back with the sugar additions, you're weakening my position ;-))

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:28:20 PM EST
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Did you notice I put some marmite for you in the photoblog?  I'll have my sugar, thank you.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:09:02 PM EST
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As long as you didn't put the Marmite in the pancake mix.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:48:06 PM EST
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Bleh, yuk.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 05:21:58 AM EST
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And I was just thinking -'hmm interesting'

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:11:12 PM EST
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time and time again by the experiential qualities of taste. I'm just crazy about a thick cut marmalade that my m-in-law made. Why? Because it takes me back to every jar of Dundee my mother ever purchased.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:42:41 PM EST
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I am more for the crepes, the way my grandmother used to make them. The simplest version, she just put some sugar on them and rolled them. But they could also be filled with any kind compote, or be part of the meal filled ground meat.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:38:42 AM EST
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I've been meaning to write a pancake blog and have been saving this... but the horror of it... well, let's just say I can relate to the cartoon - IHOP is soul-crushing.  You may as well know the worst...

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Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:19:13 PM EST
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French toast - nice day or two old challah bread, briefly soaked in eggs and milk, if you like add cinnamon and/or sugar as well. Saute in generous quantities of butter. Add maple syrup and fresh fruit. Serve. Go back to sleep.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:22:34 PM EST
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A little vanilla is really nice, too.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:36:42 PM EST
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That's our brave Izzy!  And just before the meetup, too.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:41:43 PM EST
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Yes, I'm going to have my work cut out for me!  Things have gotten VERY out of hand on this blog.  

Luckily, I'm more persuasive in person.  I'm pretty sure I could have everyone converted in a weekend, but the lead lemoneer, Sven, won't be there, so...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:49:09 PM EST
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Iz in yr pankeik

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:17:01 PM EST
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Mmmmmmm . . . IHOP.  There used to be some in Japan, but sadly the franchisee here had a dispute with the home company, and they all closed.  Sadness.
by Zwackus on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:04:53 PM EST
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Stuffed French Toast? I must apologize to the French persons among us for what American entrepreneurs are doing to the great French cuisine. Still, I must also take a portion of that apology back.

In America, if you want real French cuisine, you need to be wealthy. I'm not talking about French fries or morning cruisants. I'm talking about the real thing. What we need over here is a "slow food" French franchise that would allow everyone to participate in the tastes of France. So where are you? Come and make a million with a "slow food" French food chain so that we can all enjoy its fruits.

If you are a poor man today in America, all you have going for you is McDonalds. We need help.

by shergald on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:03:46 AM EST
Good French "Slow Food" can't be made in a chain, really. At least one that'd be reasonably affordable. Chains require cost cutting, repeatability, automatisms - which are incompatible with French cuisine.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:12:29 AM EST
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Well, it was done with Chinese food, like Lian Chin, and while it wasn't the best, it was adequate for people who liked Chinese food. Worth a try. Hamburger is one thing; have you tried the latest dried up tasteless chicken breast sandwiches. Ugh!

by shergald on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:53:24 PM EST
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Something like the Les Routiers restaurants might be an idea. Except that you used to have similar places generically called "Mom and Pop" restaurants, which the fast food places destroyed.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:34:45 AM EST
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As people get sick of McDonalds, they will come back. We need a visionary here.

by shergald on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:00:53 PM EST
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It's the other way around.  As people grow up with McDonalds, they become incapable of understanding or appreciating real food.  I know many, MANY people for whom the notion that some food is better than others, on quality grounds, is completely alien, even snobbish and offensive.

People getting tired of McDonalds is like someone getting tired of crack.  It just doesn't work that way.

by Zwackus on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:06:50 PM EST
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Especially when considering that McDonalds is made to build some withdrawal symptoms. When I ate less in order to lose weight, I still sometime ate at McDonalds - and the high sugary content made me go into hypoglycaemia a few hours after the meal...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:21:07 PM EST
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The conclusion is that America is too poor to afford French cuisine? How do we do it?

(</snark> - we eat at McDo too, and have a heavily industrialised agri-business ourselves)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:35:13 AM EST
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Well, you can laugh Jerome, but what you are really saying is that French cuisine is only for the wealthy. That automatically makes it a right wing cuisine.

France, the country which specifically revolted for the poor, can do better. Besides, as you know, Americans are supposed to hate the French for wisely staying out of Iraq. The French government should really be considering at this time a diplomatic effort to regain the historical love we have always had for France, who made our own revolution possible.

A government sponsored restaurant chain with a Statute of Liberty at the door is just the thing. Somebody propose this to Sarkosy. He's crazy enough to buy into it.

by shergald on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:06:36 PM EST
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Not sure how "real" it is, but you can get French cuisine at any number of restaurants on the side streets off Bourbon in NOLA.  Served by real live French.  And it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.  (I wouldn't call it dirt-cheap either, but it's certainly not outrageous.)

Plus, the French eat Mickey-D's, too.  Quite a bit, actually, as I understand it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:40:33 AM EST
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There are plenty of reasonably priced French places in NYC. Not fast food cheap, but not crazy either. The type of places that cost a fortune are like that in France as well. In fact, high end food is currently cheaper here courtesy of the dollar decline.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:57:17 AM EST
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My point is this: if the Italians, the Chinese, and the Mexicans can do it, why can't the French?

Do I have to go to NOLA or NYC to eat French? And who will pay for the plane tickets?

by shergald on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:14:10 PM EST
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The prime ingredient to good food is giving a damn.  

I've eaten at wonderful (bistro-level) restaurants in rural New Mexico and horrible, highly praised "haute cuisine" -- more like 'haunted' by ghosts of flavors past cuisine -- in Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York.  If they care, good food results.  Without care, not.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:34:45 AM EST
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While living in Northridge, CA we were blessed with an excellent Mexican restaurant that served superb Mexican cuisine with a somewhat California twist of having generally low fat, healthy delicious food served with a flair and owned by a young man from Durango.  Its clientèle was about half immigrant and half anglo, its prices were very reasonable and it was about two miles from our house.

A mile away was an excellent Thai restaurant that was very similar in nature, owned by Thai immigrants and with cuisine similarly adapted to California sensibilities.  There were excellent Vietnamese Pho resturants within 3 miles of the house along with other "fusion" resturants. Here in Mountain Home, AR we had one good Mexican family restaurant that was destroyed by a tornado in February.   There remain a presentable upscale, overpriced chain resturant and others, who are run by those of appropriate national origins but who seem unable to properly prepare or present their menus.  Typical Southern fare is about two steps down from that which made English cuisine an oxymoron until recently.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:57:09 PM EST
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And a surefire way to find people that care is to go to places that have a lot of repeat business, ie where they know that people can come back often if the stuff is good - and won't if it's not.

Thus the restaurants and Brasseries in the Paris business districts, as well as in purely residential areas, are usually excellent, because they cannot afford to lose the local clientele. The touristy places are more uneven.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:40:24 PM EST
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I used to live in the same town as the best Thai place in the LA basin.

Then it was "discovered" --- whimper

Busloads, literally, of customers arriving hourly destroyed the place.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:54:29 PM EST
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some of the tastiest food i ever had was from little corner trattorias, with one huge stewpot going in the kitchen, and the owner-cook pressing you to taste before deciding to enter and sit down.

some things don't scale up easy...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:49:40 AM EST
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If you get over to the Istria region of Croatia, go to Rovigno and look for Chef Toni's Gastonica (sp?). Best gnocchi in my life - distinctly Istrian style.

paul spencer
by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM EST
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ah.  Ah!  AH!  <insert>Gastronomical orgasm</insert>

A long simmering soup with fresh stuff thrown into the pot on a regular basis.  Served with freshly ground, hot-out-of-the-oven, bread slathered with Fresh (no salt, please) Butter.  Toss in a bottle of the wine the cook added to the broth.  Afterwards a light salad with fresh veggies, black oil-cured olives, topped with a wee tad of the local cheese and herbs; dressed with REAL (20 year+) aged Balsamic Vinegar and olive oil.

Completely simple.  Absolutely divine.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:01:52 PM EST
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on freshly baked, crispy bread - there is truly nothing better.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:11:52 PM EST
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Standard US food is over salted, to my taste.  The fats in Fresh butter tone it down.  

If the food is balanced then I agree.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:22:52 PM EST
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Actually there is something better: salted marrow on freshly baked bread. Yum.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:29:51 PM EST
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you guys!

good thing i've had my evening 'spaghettata all'incazzata' or i'd be heading for the kitchen!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:18:58 PM EST
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Is summer over where you are?

Over here, with temperatures around and above 35°C, both the Budapest and country-wide heat records for 6 September look to have been broken, tomorrow is to be worse, THEN autumn will arrive with a cold front.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 10:50:50 AM EST
Consider yourself invaded. You've stolen our summer, and if you've finished with it we'd quite like it back.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:03:27 AM EST
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I am anti-war, but I might support TBG in this case.

I even have to close the window, because it is getting cool inside and it is raining again.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:14:27 AM EST
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Summer over ?? Umm, I'm not entirely sure we had a summer, I think I overslept one morning and that was it..finito. Possibly in late June and july, tho I was away for most of it.

It's been autumn for a couple of weeks and the first frosts have already been in scotland.

It'll be winter long before the meetup in Liverpool mid October.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:04:42 AM EST
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still eking out the last of the 'panting dog' days here in c. italy too.

won't be long till the mud and mist will return...

...along with my afternoon cognitive faculties!

lake trasimeno is so low, the harbours are more weeds than water...

by the end of each season, comes such a visceral need for the next.

craving winter veggies, fr'instance!


"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:46:04 AM EST
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Just another beautiful day here in New Mexico.  The sun is shining a brilliant yellow; the sky is a wondrous turquoise blue.  Across the mountains I see ever-changing greens as the sun slants across the meadows and forests.  Every now and again a gleam of red amidst the browns and greys of the rocks bursts.  Above the Ponderosa Pine ecology a faint wisp of yellow can be seen as the cool nights have started to turn the Aspen leaves their golden brown fall color.

Sucks to be me, don't it?

:-þ

 

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:04:45 PM EST
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Just this once, can I troll-rate him??? Can I???

Pleeeeeease, Jerome....

by Sassafras on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:43:36 PM EST
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I say: bah!



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:14:12 PM EST
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Hey!  I didn't know you got one of these

for your children.

(Great Photoshop, BTW.)

:-D

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:29:40 PM EST
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Id someone ever wants to make me a present, there's the ticket!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:40:38 PM EST
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What - no windmill option?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:56:13 PM EST
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12 days and counting. Yippeee, i love Paris.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:34:42 PM EST
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The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 08:42:48 PM EST
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We have had a most unusual summer to date.  We had about two weeks of the humid, stifling hot typical mid-summer weather in late July-August, but otherwise it has been unusually mild and moist.  Gustav just passed through earlier in the week and the Hot Springs area west of Little Rock suffered lots of downed trees and loss of power to 90,000, about 70,000 of which have been restored by last night.  

The low last night was in the mid 50s F and we received  only 4.3" from Gustav, of which over 3" fell by Wednesday noon.  The weather service was predicting additional rain of more than 2" Thursday night.  On that account I left for St. Louis Wednesday afternoon so that I was past the two lane Ozark highways before that arrived.  My wife was arriving at St. Louis after three months in Tacoma and I didn't want to risk travel delay due to wash-outs.  I spent the night in West Plains, MO, (south-central MO,) from where there are mostly 3 or 4 lane roads to St. Louis.  Most of southern Missouri set one day rainfall records either Wednesday or Thursday, but my trip was without incident, except for replacing the tires in St. Louis.  I had started to get tread separation on the front left about 25 miles out of St. Louis and they were due for replacement.

Fortunately, the rainfall was not sufficient to require large scale releases from the two local resevoirs, both of which remain above "power pool" levels and within a couple of feet of maximum.  Good news for the folks down stream.  The lawn has remained green throughout the summer.  I watered parts of it once for about one hour the entire summer.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:05:23 PM EST
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Now it's official: new 6 September record of 36.7°C near the Serbian border, 34.3°C in Budapest. Tomorrow's records shall fall, too.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:08:53 PM EST
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i saw on tv that baghdad is 46°!!

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:37:36 PM EST
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Yes, large parts of my country seem like a foreign land to me.

by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:00:39 AM EST
rotter, you could have warned us.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:02:04 AM EST
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Yes, large parts of my country seem like a foreign land to me

Hell, large parts of my state seem like a foreign land to me.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:12:08 AM EST
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    Yes, large parts of my country seem like a foreign land to me

Hell, large parts of my state seem like a foreign land to me.

the aliens have landed, and they're us-


"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:31:17 AM EST
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Confession: this sort of stuff brings out the worst sort of northeastern elitist instincts in me.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:13:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's okay.  It's not just a northeastern thing these days.  Urban southerners hate the white trash, too.

Which is why I find Caribou Barbie such an offensive figure.  She's not a southerner, but she's no less white trash at heart.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:26:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you mean places that have trains?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:42:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They have trains.  They just don't use them for passengers out there.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:25:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It just dawned upon me ...

Both political conventions have come and gone; I can't claim to have watched much of either.

Those poor patriotic shits who went to Iraq, Afghanistan, wherever, got a limb or two blown off and then came back to hospitals with mold, mice, roaches, etc.

Question:  Were they mentioned at all in the last 2 weeks, anywhere?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:14:16 AM EST
No.

(Now that my work here is done ...)

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:05:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They were mentioned in Obama's speech when he talked about homeless vets, health care and benefits, and the GI Bill.

I don't remember them being mentioned by McCain.  McCain tried to bring up Walter Reed Army Medical Center visually on his backdrop, but the Republicans are so incompetent that they put up a picture of Walter Reed Middle School (in North Hollywood, CA) instead -- a school which, surely others also noticed, looked like a mansion (stupid, stupid, stupid).

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:23:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Some mentions by the Dems. Zilch by the Repubs, probably on the theory that if you don't talk about them they don't exist.
by Mnemosyne on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:29:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Is xkcd an ET insider? ?

and after the Joke discussion of McCain being a furry the other day, xkcd had a strip on Furries yesturday. i'm thinking i'm convinced.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:49:19 AM EST
A couple of articles in the Independent caught my eye;-

Independent - Lead article

Back in 1950 in his essay on the British pub, George Orwell listed his reasons for visiting his favourite local. They included such things as a good fire burning; it must be quiet enough to talk; pub games only in the public bar; barmaid knows most customers by name; besides cigarettes and pipe tobacco, the pub sells stamps and aspirin; draught stout on tap; beer served in glass or pewter tankards.
The aspirin and stamps may be a little excessive. But apart from that, pub owners could do worse than study Orwell's list. With news that four pubs a day are closing nationally, and of an increasing number of villages without a pub, it is too simplistic to point to the smoking ban as the main reason why more and more people are losing the pub-going habit. The causes for this worrying decline are surely more "Orwellian".

Independent - Business - Wetherspoon turns to food to counter decline in beer sales

JD Wetherspoon's profits before tax fell by 11 per cent in the past year because of the smoking ban. But the chain's sales - which were down by 1.1 per cent for the year as a whole - crept back up to 1.1 per cent year-on-year growth in the five weeks to the end of August, thanks to a growing emphasis on food sales.

"Sales were down a little, but we expected that in the first year of non-smoking, and we have had good growth in food sales," John Hutson, chief executive, said yesterday.
[....]
Pub chains are increasingly looking beyond beer for their profits. Punch Taverns, which reported annual sales down nearly 3.5 per cent last week, is also betting on food

what they don't mention is that the beer sold in most chain pubs is bland and uninteresting. I have in the past described a lot of people as just wanting a bland social drinking liquid. which is fine and I'm not going to compalin about that. But the beers now avialbe across a broad swathe of the coutnry are falling beyond bland into tasteless and unpleasant. It's no surprise that people don't want ot go to pubs when they know that what they'll be served when they get there is a regrettable soup of diminshed ambitions.

Weatherspoons used to have good beers in their pubs, I'd seek them out. But increasingly they fell back on a restricted range of awful beers. I now avoid their pubs. Most chain pubs are the same, they get in the cheapest most tasteless nonsense and sell it as expensively as the market will bear.

And they wonder why people don't drink as much as they used to. Back when I used to venture around more than I do now I used to suggest that there weren't 50 pubs worth going to inside the M25 ring motorway around london. I no longer think that's true, but its way less than 100. And certainly not the 200+ CAMRA puts in london alone.

But management companies don't know anything about pubs, all they know is profit and loss, they only bought the pubs cos they were cheap in a rising property market. The idea of what a pub means is lost on them, the idea of identity sounds expensive. The idea of quality repels them.

good pubs always survive. I don't know a single pub in London that serves good beer that is struggling. but I know a lot that don't which are. Can you tell that to faceless business dorks ?? apparently not.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:42:34 PM EST
Chain pubs? How weird. I'm not a beer drinker but my friends seem to have a pretty wide selection of microbrewery stuff to choose from.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:44:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
the financial barrier to entry in the UK is very high. Unless you've won the lottery you simply can't afford a pub. So every time a pub comes on the market it's either sold to a chain or is turned into housing.

And before somebody checks, I do know the bricks and mortar are cheap. It's everything else that's expensive.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:55:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Here the bottom floor stuff generally either can't be turned into housing or is much more valuable as a retail property since street level residential on a commercial street is at a serious discount. The saying is that about half of all bars and restaurants fail within two years in NYC. But there's always another sucker ready to try. Plus, given the failure rate, plenty of used fixtures and stuff at a low price. The big problem is rent.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:58:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
In NYC you are fortunate to have Alex Hall, who used to run the Evening Star in Brighton and is now a real ale consultant across a lot of New England. So there's a lot of real ale to be had.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:07:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
NB - smoking bans are great for easing the difficulties of meeting strangers. The best singles action is right outside the door. It's funny, someone walks up to a stranger and starts talking to them in the bar the general reaction is awkward polite leave me alone. Outside, enjoying a nic fix, everyone is happy to chat.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 12:48:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's because smoking is cool.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:24:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But surely it is because smokers know they might be the one needing help to get their fix at some point in the near future that they don't mind strangers coming to them to ask for a light or a cig?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:21:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm just referring to general chat, no light/cig requests needed. We smokers are just all around nicer people. ;)
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:27:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you exclude non-smokers.

One is still a smoker when one is with non-smokers (and doesn't smoke). One is no longer a non-smoker when one is with smokers. How hard is that to understand?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:39:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, so you'll take Marek's bait but not mine?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:04:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
smoking is not cool, it stinks!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:14:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Feel better?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:15:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
yes, thanks! And you?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:25:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(lights up, coughs loudly) Yes, of course.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:58:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Helsinki meet will be for smokers and other admitted drug takers. Coffee and tea addicts are fine too. The 'anything that turns you on' bunch. Of course, there will be no forced passive participation in any of these rituals - a separate room will be provided for breaks for each addiction, including anal retentiveness. Capgras patients will be offered special accommodation.

There is only one condition for attendance at the Helsinki meet: you cannot fly there. But you can videoconference. That way, in virtual space, what you do to yourself is merely pixels. There is no passive experience in virtual space. It's just words, images and your memory.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:21:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
By the way, what makes smokers 'recognise' another smoker who can be asked for fire?

Since about three years, I have been approached by ever moe smokers, from idiot teenagers to old men, all surprised when I told them off.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:40:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, in my case, it's usually a pretty good bet when they're lighting up, too.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:05:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
(not, not "someone", 'someone')


Magazine: Russia's Putin sexy, but not that sexy

MOSCOW (AP) -- He single-handedly saved a TV crew from the jaws of a tiger. He flexed his muscles in front of the cameras in Siberia. He cuts a dash on the ski slopes.

A former president, he is Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, but not quite Russia's sexiest politician. At least, that is, according to Russia's Sex & the City magazine.

In its September "Sexy Rating" list, the glamor magazine ranks who it considers the 20 sexiest Russian politicians. At the top is Boris Nemtsov, a former leader of opposition party Union of the Right Forces now viewed by many as a spent force.

It is rare that Putin loses out at home. A winner abroad -- selected as Time's person of the year in 2007, and Vanity Fair's most powerful and influential figure of the year this month -- Putin courts widespread popularity at home, having restored a sense of national pride and stability after the difficult post-Soviet years of Boris Yeltsin's rule.

(sadly, no picture of Boris Nemtsov beyond a mugshot in the article)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 01:46:45 PM EST
While traveling through rural Missouri on Thursday I came upon a radio station featuring, (surprise!) a fundamentalist talk show.  What intrigued me was the host's description of a new evangelical viral e-mail describing a New Black Angel who had come to watch over the USA.  She was reporting her in-box and that of acquaintances and colleagues being full of first hand accounts of apparitions, appearances and testimonials!  She started de-bunking this and her co-host laughed at the reports.  Seems as she is well to the right politically.

I could not but smile and remember Carl Jung's book on UFOs.  May this New Black Angel spread his blessings on the right wing members of the evangelical movement!  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:18:30 PM EST
Good thing we have two entrances to the apartment complex, because one of them is under about half a foot to a foot of water.  Nobody's stalled out in it yet, presumably because nobody in anything smaller than a mid-sized SUV has been willing to try.  (Having seen how high up the water went on those, the rest of us in our cars stayed the hell away.)

Someone will eventually try, stall out, and have the cops out to help them deal with it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 02:23:07 PM EST
I take it Ms. Hanna has paid you a visit?  


No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:06:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
this satellite photo from a little over an hour ago showed it centred just southeast of DC. We just started getting the first minor squalls up in the City. Not embedding the photo because I think it would screw up the thread - too big.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:23:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed.  I'm guessing we got a good few inches.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:16:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It could be worse:

[Computer Models predicting the future track of Hurricane Ike.]

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:25:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Darn it all.

Here's the analysis by Jeff Masters.

All of the major models agree that Ike will hit eastern Cuba on Sunday night. After this point, the models continue to diverge. A southern camp of models, the ECMWF and UKMET, take Ike across eastern Cuba and into the western Caribbean, then across the western tip of Cuba or Yucatan Channel between Cuba and Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula. These models predict an eventual landfall near the Mexico/Texas border a week from now. This track would bring tropical storm conditions to the Cancun/Cozumel area beginning Tuesday afternoon or evening, with possible hurricane conditions by Wednesday morning.

The northern camp of models, including the GFS, NOGAPS, GFDL, and HWRF, turn Ike west-northwest over Cuba, forecasting that Ike will pop off the coast of Cuba near the Florida Keys on Tuesday, then swing north-northwest. The northward turn is delayed in the current runs, putting Ike into the central Gulf of Mexico, or several hundred miles offshore the western Florida coast. The trough of pressure that pulls Ike to the north is expected to be weak, leaving Ike in a region of weak steering currents. A similar situation occurred in 1985, when Category 3 Hurricane Elena got stranded in the Gulf and wander offshore of the Florida Panhandle for several days. So far, the GFDL has done a good job with Ike, so I will continue to lean towards that track. The GFDL tracks Ike over Cuba until the storm pops off the coast south of the Keys, and intensifies it from a borderline Category 1 or 2 hurricane to a Category 3 hurricane as it passes 50 miles southwest of Key West. The GFDL brings Category 2 winds to Key West. The model then takes Ike north-northwestward into the Gulf of Mexico to an uncertain future.



No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:27:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who has seen Miss Pettigrew Lives for a Day?

Great little comedy with a dark atmospehere and some social themes set in 1939 London. There is some awkward acting, but definitely not from Frances McDormand in the title role. She transformed perfectly into a look-alike of Mable from You Rang, M'Lord?.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:04:20 PM EST
Forgot: Ciarán Hinds (memorable performance as Russian President Nemerov in The Sum of All Fears) was great, too.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:11:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I followed this madness to get out of hand for days.

Two weeks ago, for the first time in the history of the Sumo association, a top-division player was banned, permanently. His crime? Smoking marihuana...

The offender, ring name Wakanoho, was Russian. Then a few days ago, an  internal test found both other high-ranked Russian players positive for marihuana, but now a real test is on-going, because both deny steadfastly.

However, over this minor sillyness, a ministry official called for the resignation of the head of the Sumo Association, others called for the cancellation of the upcoming September Grand Tournament...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 03:49:34 PM EST
A story about baltimore from the creator of The Wire

Guardian - David Simon - The escalating breakdown of urban society across the US

It seems that in Baltimore, one of the most violent cities in America, jurors are far more reluctant to convict criminal defendants than in the suburban enclaves that ring the city.

The report upset the city's chief prosecutor; she thought its conclusions "politically divisive" and asked the foundation to either amend the draft study or kill it entirely. The press mocked her for this, of course, and rightly so, while on the radio here, white talk-show hosts had fun speculating about why city jurors - read "black people" - won't do their civic duty when it is, in fact, their communities that are so overwhelmed by crime.

[....]

And now, this week, no one asks why men and women from Baltimore, upon being given a chance to strike a blow against disorder and mayhem by convicting those charged criminally, would shirk their responsibility

In order to elect Baltimore's mayor as Maryland's governor, crime had to go down. And when that mayor was unable to do so legitimately, through a meaningful deterrent, his police officials did not merely go about cooking their statistics, making robberies and assaults disappear by corrupting the reporting of such incidents, they resorted to something far more disturbing.

For the last years of his administration, Mayor Martin O'Malley ordered the mass arrests of citizens in every struggling Baltimore neighbourhood, from eastside to west. More than 100,000 bodies were dragged to Central Booking in a single year - record rates of arrest for a city with fewer than 700,000 residents. Corner boys, touts, drug slingers, petty criminals - yes, they went in the wagons.

But school teachers, city workers, shopkeepers, delivery boys - they too were jacked up, cuffed and hauled down to Eager Street - hundreds of them a night on the weekends. Some were charged, but few were prosecuted. And in 25,000 such cases, they were later freed from the detention facility without ever going to court; no charges were proffered because, well, no crime had been committed.

I wasn't arrested. Nor was Ed Burns or Dominic West or Aidan Gillen. Nor were my neighbours or the Baltimore Sun's editors or the members of the Maryland Club. But then, we're all white. Among the black members of my cast and crew, it was often impossible to drive from the film set to home at night without being stopped - and in some cases detained or arrested - on nonexistent probable cause and nonexistent charges. The crackdown came wholly in black neighbourhoods and it landed wholly on the backs of black citizens.

And now, just a few years later, comes this document that causes the state's attorney to deny the obvious and leaves everyone else wondering weakly and vaguely as to the why of it. Is it so hard to understand that the same people who had their civil rights cleanly dispatched, who spent nights in jail because police officers lied on them and dragged them off without charge - that these people might be inclined to disbelieve the word of law enforcement in any future criminal case?

In places like West Baltimore, the drug war destroyed every last thing that the drugs themselves left standing - including the credibility of the police deterrent. To elect one man to higher office, an entire city alienated its citizenry and destroyed its juror pool.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:06:09 PM EST
It's not happening across the US.  Quite the contrary, one of the benefits of the housing boom was that Urban America was rebuilt in many places.  And the urban areas are generally the areas least likely to suffer the housing crash.

Ten years ago, you wouldn't be caught dead wandering Atlanta at night.  Today, it's wonderful.

Ditto downtown DC.

New York since the late-1980s is the big example.  Used to be incredibly rough, even in Manhattan.  Now even places like Harlem and the East Village are turning.  Even Marek's neighborhood in Brooklyn sounds like it's turning around, and that's a notoriously rough one.

Baltiless is more like Detroit.  The cancer may be terminal.  The cops are all untrustworthy, being either racist pigs or on the take.  The economy is gone and probably not coming back.  Unemployment is out of control.  All of the money has moved to the western counties outside the city.  The schools are a joke.   The government doesn't know its asshole from its earhole.

It's not safe.  It's full of drunks and drug addicts, even in the "nice" areas (Camden Yards, Federal Hill, Inner Harbor, Fells Point, etc).  The best you get are some not-burnt-out townhouses and a few trashy bars.  Everything East of Johns Hopkins is a warzone.

It's sad.  Baltiless is really just an awful place.  This blog sums it up quite well in a series of bitter, sarcastic hits.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:55:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I haven't been to Baltimore in a while, but it definitely wasn't anything like what I imagine Detroit to be (a bigger Newark). Sure, lots of it was horrible, but there were middle class neighbourhoods, fun areas with good bars and restaurants - sort of like DC back then, minus actual serious wealth. I've heard it's improved somewhat - i.e. a little bit of gentrification.

As for my area - it never was the worst of places. Geographically and practically in between the buppieville that was Fort Greene and the byword for 'hood that was Bed-Stuy. So crackhouses next to solid blue collar buildings, next to some lovingly restored old houses inhabited by buppies, plus a few whites from the big art school (Pratt). Bullet proof glass filled bodegas and a couple nice restaurants and bars. Now - let's just say my closest wine store was a half hour walk when I moved in. Now there are a half dozen within fifteen minutes. The other day I saw a $5 packet of five small tortillas at the recently opened local high end supermarket.

Or to put it differently - this building is getting completed a block away from me.

by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:01:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No, it's probably not as bad as Detroit, but I used Detroit because it's the first major city that comes to mind when people talk about failed cities in America.  Detroit makes Baltimore look like Silicon Valley.

But then, in fairness, Detroit (and Michigan in general) also doesn't have a bunch of wealthy cities nearby to pump at least some money into it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:30:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Detroit also doesn't have a major research university. That helps quite a lot - big captive population of students and faculty, plus tons of jobs. That's especially true of Johns Hopkins with its huge medical side.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:42:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
True.  The closest Detroit has to that is UM-Ann Arbor, but that's out W of the city a good distance.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:19:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A professor of mine at the university came home from there. He told his first big difficulty when going to Baltimore was to find a flat that, in his own words, "is not in the ghetto".

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:02:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Mass arrests on whim?

Digusted?  Yes.  Despairing?  Yes.  Shocked?  No.

And that is a sad comment on the US.

Here's another one:  I don't remember seeing anything about this in the US media.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 05:41:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Helen's apparently not aware of the laws on the books for DWB.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:31:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Under Giuliani NYC had WWB (Walking While Black/Brown) for males from their mid teen into their early thirties. This actually did have a huge effect on gun crime. The arrests were routinely tossed by the courts, but you didn't get your gun back, and those things are expensive, especially in NYC where handguns are virtually unobtainable through legal means. So folks started avoiding carrying guns unless they believed they would be likely to use them - lots less impulsive gun violence.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:46:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
One of the UK's major initiatives in fighting the IRA during the 80's was the so called "Ring of steel" around the city of London. Vehicles entering the city could be stopped and searched. Guess what colour people made up the vast majority (In excess of 90%) of the arrests were that resulted from this policy.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:09:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, the Irish are a notoriously dark-skinned lot, you know.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 07:20:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, almost everyone I asked here thought George Clooney is Latino...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sun Sep 7th, 2008 at 03:06:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 04:36:50 PM EST
Heh. At least they aren't using Norton, thus avoiding the periodic seize up of their machines as Norton goes through its random lets takeover all the memory for a while episodes.
by MarekNYC on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 at 06:48:32 PM EST
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