The "Afghan Events"

by afew
Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 05:43:01 AM EST

In the afternoon of the 18th of August, and on till the next morning, a French infantry patrol was surprised and surrounded by Afghan "taleban" fighters near a mountain pass. Ten French soldiers were killed and twenty-one wounded in the biggest strike against "coalition" forces in Afghanistan since 2001. On the 20th, a report was filed with military intelligence in Paris by a group on the ground in Afghanistan, the Frenic (French National Intelligence Cell). The report has been leaked to the Canard Enchaîné, and it makes depressing reading.

It was already known that the ambushed group was sent to scout out a pass at 2,000 metres, ahead of a hundred or so troops, French, Afghan, and some American (in charge of air support). The detachment was out for several days on an in-depth reconnaissance probe into the central mountains. They were sixty kilometres (less than 40 miles) from Kabul.


Dans leur rapport, les officiers de la Frenic notent que les "fantassins" qui montent à pied vers le col, loin des blindés légers qui les ont conduits jusque-là, "sont ralentis par la poussière ... et par la lourdeur de leurs gilets pare-balles". Puis, quand "le piège s'est refermé", et que les tirs commencent, ils soulignent avec quel retard sont parvenus des renforts en combattants (une heure), en mortiers de 81 (une heure et demie) et en munitions (deux heures quarante). Encerclés au moment où ils parviennent près du col, les soldats français sont vite à court de munitions. Les insurgés, eux, "semblent bénéficier d'énormes réserves de munitions". <...>In their report, officers of the Frenic note that the "foot soldiers" climbing towards the pass, far from the light armoured vehicles that brought them to the area, "are hampered by the dust ... and by their heavy bulletproof vests." Then, when "the trap was sprung" and the shooting began, they emphasize the langth of the delay in bringing up reinforcements in men (one hour), in 81 mm mortars(an hour and a half) and ammunition (two hours forty minutes). Surrounded just as they were close to the pass, the French soldiers were quickly short of ammunition. The insurgents themselves, "appear to have enormous reserves of ammunition". <...>
Alors que les combats faisaient rage depuis 15h30, arrivent des avions de l'OTAN, (F-15, AC-130, A-10, drones Predator, etc) guidés par des "soldats américains au sol" (qui ne participent pas au combats). Mais, les "insurgés et les forces alliées étant trop imbriqués", les bombardements sont très difficiles, voire impossibles.The fighting had been raging since 15h30, when NATO planes, (F-15, AC-130, A-10, Predator drones, etc.) showed up, guided by "American soldiers on the ground" (who didn't take part in the fighting). But the "insurgents and allied forces being so closely engaged," bombing was very tricky if not impossible.

OK, what have we already said about this war? (See my Afghanistan Problem diary). That invading forces can, and have in the past, ally with certain tribes and hold Kabul, perhaps some parts of the country, but never subdue and maintain control of all the country; that tribal alliances shift quickly, and formally organized troops are at a disadvantage in little-known (to them) mountainous terrain. In the end, the invader leaves the country after having taken enough of a beating. This story of a reconnaissance column of considerable importance going into the mountains (only 40 miles from Kabul!) to check out what's going on there, and finding out that what's going on is that the local warriors know the terrain and how to fight in it, is a quotable example (though with no sense of schadenfreude) of the above.

What's worse is the apparent incompetence of senior command (specifically French, concerning the ambushed detachment), the lack of mastery of logistics, and the poor coordination between "coalition" elements. In further comments and questions in the Frenic report, the authors say (my quick translation):

During the fighting, where was the collective weaponry in support of the recce, and support groups to pin down the enemy? <...> where were the detachments of the Afghan National Army and the American special forces?

Is it normal that professionals engaged in in-depth reconnaissance for several days (and what's more in a convoy) should run out of ammunition at their first engagement?

How can we let operations like this be organized in this terrain, without a minimum of observation and surveillance ahead of the advancing units?

It sounds like there was little coordination between the French, Afghan, and American elements of the convoy, and logistics were slow-moving, inadequate, and inappropriate.

There was an opportunity to bomb stuff, though.

Selon d'autres informations parvenues à Paris, un AC-130 américain "Gunship", bourré de canons (1 200 coups à la minute), a arrosé un village voisin des combats, sur lequel auraient été tirés des missiles Milan français.According to other reports reaching Paris, an American AC-130 "Gunship", stuffed with guns (1,200 rounds per minute), sprayed a village near the fighting, which is said to have also been fired on by French Milan missiles.

Better and better. Screw up the organization and logistics, play into the enemy's strengths in his home terrain, and destroy villages in reprisal. It didn't work in Algeria, it didn't work in Vietnam, and never worked in Afghanistan. Never mind, keep repeating failed strategies.

Meanwhile, the French Minister of Defence, Hervé Morin, is digging in hard. Whatever happens he won't call this a war. What does this remind me of? Oh, right, Algeria again. France refused for decades to call the Algerian War a war. It was les évènements d'Algérie, the "Algerian Events" (hence my title).

What next? Why, we need more troops and weapons. Bush has just announced the decision to pull some troops out of Iraq, and increase the numbers in Afghanistan. Sarkozy is ready to follow suit, and, according to another article in the Canard, will announce this any day now.

Mais les Américains sont loin de se montrer satisfaits... (Ils veulent que la France) expédie en Afghanistan des soldats, des hélicoptères, des drones, des mortiers de 120 et de 181, de l'artillerie de campagne et même des chars lourds. C'est beaucoup demander, et nos chefs militaires ont déjà fait savoir qu'un tel effort serait hors de prix, sinon impossible.But the Americans are far from satisfied ... (They want France to) send to Afghanistan troops, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, 120 and 181 mm mortars, field artillery and even heavy tanks. That is a tall order, and our military leaders have already indicated that such an effort would be unaffordable, if not impossible.
Avec l'espoir de convaincre tous leurs alliés que l'avenir du "monde libre" se joue en Afghanistan, les Américains donnent en exemple la bonne volonté affichée par les Canadiens, les Britanniques et les Italiens. Les premiers vont louer des hélicoptères aux Russes (huit MI-8), à Boeing (six CH-47 Chinook), ainsi que des drones US et israéliens. Quant aux bons élèves britanniques et italiens, ils s'apprêtent, eux, à acheter des drones Predator au groupe US General Atomics.In hopes of convincing their allies that the future of the "free world" is being played out in Afghanistan, the Americans cite as exemplary the good will displayed by the Canadians, British and Italians. The former are going to hire helicopters from the Russians (eight MI-8), Boeing (six CH-47 Chinook), as well as U.S. and Israeli drones. As for the British and Italians, they are making ready to buy Predator drones from the U.S. group General Atomics.

What was it again that NATO was all about?

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Just a tasty bit from the Frenic report: its ending.

La population locale appelle 'les pots de chambres' les autorités (afghanes) mises en place par les Occidentaux...

The local population call the (Afghan) authorities set up by the Westerners "the chamber pots".

Avons-nous vocation à être des cibles au service des 'pots de chambre'?

Is it our job to be targets in the service of "chamber pots"?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 05:48:45 AM EST
Can you remind me why we are going after Afghanistan?

The accounts in the report somehow place greater perspective on what actually happens when we 'send troops in' and wasting so many lives with incompetence like that is appalling.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 06:04:29 AM EST
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It's spelled out above, the future of the "free world" is being played out in Afghanistan.

If you don't believe it, listen to the good Dr Kissinger.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 06:41:49 AM EST
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Can you remind me why we are going after Afghanistan?

To stop al-Qaeda to from using it as a safe haven. Which seems to work.

Too bad the Pakistani tribal areas are just next door...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 10:35:36 AM EST
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when it comes to countries picked up and thrown around just to show who's boss, i wonder if afghanistan was the right choice...

the usa is hostage to rapturist wingnut arms merchants and fossil fool perviders, the business of america is business, any one don't like it, well you oughta bought more hardware, pussies.

the rest of the world has little choice in the matter, it appears. what has me in a grim fascination is how long the american public is going to put up with being lied to in such a prolonged and unimaginative way.

it's never a good thing to realise you've been made a fool of, but there has to come a time of reduced returns on erroneous beliefs, and no thread is unsnappable.

oh well, it's just the fate of one small planet among many...

time to reincarnate as some jovian dust, maybe.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:21:28 AM EST
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You really can't tell much from this engagement.  It's really too small (obviously not a small thing for those killed and their families) to draw major conclusions about tactics and capabilities. Everyone has known for a long time that Afghanistan is a difficult place to fight in and occupy and that the Taliban is regaining the initiative. The goals are to establish a government that is representative of the people (not too hopeful about the outcome) that will not support or become a safehaven for terrorists (priority one). All in all it won't be easy, may in fact fail, and the wasteful diversion in Iraq didn't help chances. Was the "invasion" of Afghanistan necessary, on balance - probably. Remember, Afghanistan was already at war with itself before the latest Western intrusion, and the repressive Taliban was winning and a staunch supporter of terrorism.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:22:56 AM EST
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BTW, I just saw your excellent diary of February (from the link you provided).  

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears
by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:28:40 AM EST
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Well, there are signs that don't look good coming out of this engagement, which was all the same a moderately important example of what needs to be done in terms of boots-on-the-ground reconnaissance, if only Kabul is to be protected...

The aims you state are indeed the putative aims of American policy, but (as you say) the democracy angle is a most unlikely one, and, as Starvid says elsewhere on this thread, the "terrorists" are safe in the tribal territories of Pakistan (and, indeed, in adjoining mountainous territory in Afghanistan). In my view this is thin cover for a policy of maintaining influence in Central Asia and the Middle East (and energy resources), policy which considers Afghanistan as the frontier to hold, right up against China.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:58:47 AM EST
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25 years ago we thought it was funny that the Soviets had allowed themselves to get cuaght in the Afghan meat grinder. "Poor saps", we said, "they can't possibly win and will just lose men and machinery till they give up".

Remind me of a phrase I used as a title for my own examination of the Afghan situation "They have watches, but we have time".

The question we need to ask is what has to change in order for the politicians to question the value of this engagement and I'm not hopeful. the number of domestic deaths there isn't enough to really force anybody's hands. they can continue this rate of loss for a long time without facing heat over the futility of it, epsecially when the NATO leadership is so skilled at fooling journalists. See the nauseating puff spread about that stupid generator the British Army drove to a dam, and then left there cos they couldn't defend it.

Equally, we have too many petty militaristic egos on the line. Bush, Brown, Sarkozy, Berlusconi are all pathetic little men who make up for their inadequacies by ordering others to die for their grandeur. None will admit this was a mistake and none have any pressing political pressure to do so. Sadly, unless Obama surprises us all, there will be an ongoing commitment for some time to come.

Who cares ? After all, it's only towelhead afghanis and we all know the future of western civilisation is at stake.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 07:49:15 AM EST
An additional item in the press coverage in France has been to note that the soldiers sent out in these patrols were very recent recruits (some with barely 6 months of training before being sent to Afghanistan) and that adequate training in general has been very deficient - not just for the new recruits.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 08:10:00 AM EST
problem.  

Well, it is, for the poor sods who have been suckered into fighting for the US in this war.  

Aside from that, though?  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 08:59:00 AM EST
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 10:39:26 AM EST
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If your comment's addressed to me and not Alfred E. Neuman, then I'd admit that problems are a matter of scale. An over-heated, over-populated, finite planet ranks bigger than the colonial war-making of a crumbling empire. Except that war-making intended to draw lines of major regional influence over resources is precisely linked to the fact that the planet is finite, and it's exactly the reaction we may reasonably fear and deprecate on the part of countries we might naively hope would choose other policies.

So yes, the fact that the crumbling empire can still call on its vassals who should know better, and gather them under the limp figleaf that is NATO (or some associated whatnot like ISAF), and get them to agree publicly that the civilized world as we know it will disappear if we don't all fight an unwinnable war (and buy stuff from the empire's weaponry store while we're about it), does seem to me (as an unwilling vassal) to feature as a minor problem, yes. Forgive my weakness :-)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 10:52:56 AM EST
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well put

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:15:14 AM EST
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Thanks :)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 11:39:46 AM EST
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So the bottom line is that the amateurs were more professionally led and supplied than the "professionals".

I realize there is probably no empirical basis for saying so, but I can't shake the impression that undertakings that are conceived and launched under false pretexts tend to be incompetently executed as well.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 09:25:07 AM EST
Great point.  The reason is that wars launched under false pretense are typically more valued for their symbolism, which is intact so long as the war is ongoing and "justified" than they are for their actual achievement. Thus greater effort is placed into maintaining the wars justification and symbolism than its actual execution.  The opposing side in the war does not share the same priorities and as anyone with experience in life can tell you the party making more effort typically has the advantage.
by paving on Tue Sep 9th, 2008 at 04:05:15 PM EST
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That's true. Thinking about it further, I think another factor is that unjustifiable undertakings might tend to stifle accountability: those at the top will hesitate to hold subordinates accountable out of a fear that criticism will reflect badly on their own decision-making.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Sep 10th, 2008 at 03:11:28 AM EST
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I'd say they do that inherently.  If a greater action is unjustifiable wouldn't any part of it be the same?  Basically if you reprimand the Abu-Ghraib people they have a legitimate answer in "well, isn't this whole thing basically the same?"  If you grant the leadership an empathetic character they would be thus disinclined to object.  If you grant them the flawed humanity that is most likely they simply don't give a fuck.
by paving on Wed Sep 10th, 2008 at 03:22:38 PM EST
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