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Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:22:46 AM EST

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So unimpeded means only 5% taken for transit?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:33:42 AM EST
Only with the odd comment lost to friction.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:34:39 AM EST
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Is that part of the handwritten addition to the diary?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:37:06 AM EST
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sounds like a robert Ludlum title doesn't it "The Ukrainian Agreement". course you have to say it in a movie trailer low gravelly voice but...

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:52:09 AM EST
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The Tymoshenko Protocol.

Coming soon to...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:14:40 PM EST
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the Sequel was better:

Timoshenko Handwritten

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:09:37 PM EST
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in kind.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:48:05 AM EST
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Independent - John Lichfield - Step aside, Sartre: this is the new face of French intellectualism

If you ignore the French stereotyping included just to annoy Jerome, this is an interesting profile of Esther Duflo who is an associate of MIT professor Abhijit Banerjee, one of the pioneers of development economics. "Professor Banerjee says before Mme Duflo, theories of development economics existed and practical knowledge of aid programmes existed. She was one of the first to put them together systematically; to apply economic skills to discovering what was going wrong and adjusting policies..  "

The new face of the world-leading French intellectual is a brisk 36-year-old woman with the pleasant but no-nonsense look of a primary school teacher, who climbs mountains in her spare time.

She is Esther Duflo and was recently named one of the 100 most influential thinkers in the world (she came 91st)
[....]
Mme Duflo is a "development economist" one of the world's greatest experts - perhaps the greatest - on why development programmes in poor countries often fail and why they sometimes succeed. Her precise field of expertise has existed less than a decade. She is among its inventors.
[....]
She investigates, in elaborate detail, the practical, small things which can make a difference in trying to improve the lives of the poorest of the poor. For instance, not just "education, education, education" but how to make sure pupils and their teachers turn up at school. (Answer: tiny incentives, such as free meals or uniforms, can transform attendance in poor countries.)

Mme Duflo has, above all, developed and promoted the concept of "scientific" testing of anti-poverty programmes - what works and what doesn't but also, crucially, why things work and why they don't. She believes - and has proved - that the effectiveness of anti-poverty programmes can be explored by "random testing", in the same way pharmaceutical companies test drugs.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:47:33 AM EST
recently because of her inaugular lesson to the Collède de France.

See her Op-Ed in Le Monde this week, and her portrait a couple days earlier.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:25:27 AM EST
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I'd love to, but my french ain't up to it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:30:57 AM EST
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Here is her speech (with Englsh translation)

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:23:25 PM EST
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Is she also the kid from the movie "The Unborn"?  Kind of a scary picture over at Le Monde.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:36:30 AM EST
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Judging the value of work by HER looks seem like a stretch.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:49:13 PM EST
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For some reason I thought it would be fun to learn a bit of Georgian. The first few chapters of the course book have been alright (and the alphabet is rather nice), but the Georgians have managed to come with the craziest, most complex verb system I have ever seen in my life! Finnish is child's play compared to this!

But other than that, გამარჯობათ!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 10:48:10 AM EST
The only thing I know how to say in Georgian is "I love you."  Sounds something like "Me'shen me'khvarkhar."  Or, at least that's what they told me.  This is what happens when your language acquisition skills come from partying with inebriated boys in a foreign country...  I guess I know some food & wine words too, like kachapuri.  Yum.  I can read/recognize very basic publication information in the Georgian script.  Mostly, though, it's absolutely incomprehensible to me.  The fact that every Georgian I ever met spoke Russian never motivated me to learn the language.  :(

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:11:06 AM EST
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Aah, have you visited Georgia (though I imagine there would be not insignificant diaspora in other parts of the Soviet Union)? I would love to go there someday, if only to get my hands on some Georgian wine ;-)

Yeah, I think it's "mik'varkhar" (მიყვარხარ)(subject and object can be omitted, as the verb itself in this instance carries a second person object marker! Madness, I say!).

There's a late 80s Soviet comedy, Паспорт, in which the protagonist is Georgian. They speak quite a bit of Georgian in the first half of the movie, though you can't really hear much of it thanks to the miracle of Russian-style dubbing...

(btw, switching between three different alphabets on your keyboard in the same post is rather disorienting...)

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:24:12 PM EST
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No, I've never been, but I REALLY want to go one day. I hung out with Georgians in Russia.  There were a lot of them, actually.  I don't know what it's like for them now, but then it wasn't an issue, really.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:34:19 PM EST
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Least favourite comment of the day for the non Astrology inclined.

Linkage

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:02:57 AM EST
waffle waffle uranus waffle

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:14:52 AM EST
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So I can't bring a sixth pack of matches on the plane, but Grandma Obama can bring a spear and a shield?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:38:04 AM EST
Well it all depends who you're going to throw them at.

If you tell them that you're buying petrol when you get to washington for the present incumbent, I'm sure they'll buy you some matches if you havent got any.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:47:30 AM EST
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It's not a weapon, it's a ceremonial item.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 11:54:56 AM EST
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Ah, the zulu defence.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:46:12 PM EST
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better hope that Michael Caine isn't guarding the border or she'll never get in.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:25:16 PM EST
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don't you hate it when you hear a question on a quiz show and you know that the answer they say is right is the wrong one.

"If you toss two coins, what's the probability that both show the same face ?"

They said 1 in 4, but unless they've changed the laws of probability since i was at school it's 1 in 2.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:15:22 PM EST
Let's see:

Case 1: Both show same
Case 2: Mis-match -- one heads, one tails
Case 3: One disappears in a burst of existential uncertainty
Case 4: Both disappear in a burst of existential uncertainty

So ... yeah ... 1/4.

:-)

(For my next magical trick I prove how reducing the temperature of an object to negative degrees Kelvin creates a container of negative volume into which you can stuff an infinite amount of stuff.)

((There.  That outta explode Mig's head.))

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:28:06 PM EST
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Shorter Helen: "Math is for Communists."

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:30:01 PM EST
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It's a trick question, because anyone who actually still had any money surely would have stashed it in the Cayman Islands by now and not wasted time on coin tossing when Karl Marx is about to be sworn in as president.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:32:09 PM EST
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Unanswerable, without knowledge wether the coins are identical, and if not odds that two random coins will have the same persons head on the side.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:43:58 PM EST
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pedant

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:45:17 PM EST
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Maybe they mean "two heads"?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:55:46 PM EST
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thats what I wondered, but either the question was wrong or the answer was wrong.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:14:04 PM EST
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Are they tossed starting with both having the same side facing up? As shown in this paper, the probability of a coin ending up with the same side facing up as you started with is about .51, leading to a probability of about .5002 for your problem. (If the first author of this paper is the one flipping the coin, the probability is apparently whatever he wants it to be - his first career was as a professional magician...)
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:29:05 PM EST
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Announcer: We have gathered a few volunteers to try the new version of Windows Vista....I mean, Windows Mojave.... I mean, Windows 7. Here is what they had to say:

Joe SixPack: Sick!
Soccer Mom: Oh, my God!
Joe Average: Wow! It's, like, you know.... Stuff!
Barbie Doll: Totally!

Announcer: The new Windows 7 will revolutionize how people use PCs. The system has been designed from scratch to run smoothly on a mere 4 Gigabytes of RAM!

Joe SixPack: What's that?
Barbie Doll: 4 Gigabytes is, like, 2 gallons or something.
Joe Average: Feels faster than my AOL.

Announcer: Don't take our word for it. Visit Win7.MojaveProject.Microsoft.com and test drive the new Windows. Experience what so many other people have already experienced!



WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:40:00 PM EST
Ah, so Technical Beta tester is Joe the plumber's new job when he gets home from Gaza.

"Like, Windows should be abolished..or something"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:44:48 PM EST
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well all the reports I've heard sound unrealistically good.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:45:01 PM EST
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Yeah... that's had me wondering as well.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:54:58 PM EST
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I don't know, but going by Ballmer's record with Vista and Windows Mobile, I'd invest in chair manufacturers.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:03:56 PM EST
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Remember Helen's law, every other Windows version is actually not horrible.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:16:56 PM EST
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As in alternate.
vista = dog
XP = usable (best windows)
ME  = dog
98 vanilla = usable
95 = dog
Win3.1 = usable
win3.0 = dog
DOS 6.1 = usable
DOS 6 = dog
DOS 5 = usable (best dos)
DOS 4.0 = unusable dog, worst product ever
DOS 3.3 = usable
DOS 3.2 = dog

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:20:43 PM EST
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Absolutely agree.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:23:21 PM EST
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I'll go with you on XP, even if the interface looks like it was ripped out of a Playskool catalog, but I thought 3.1 and 98 were awful.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:24:56 PM EST
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Depends what you were comparing it with. Each was noticeably better than its predecessor and was more stable than its succesor.

Comparisons with apple don't count.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:37:01 PM EST
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Well, I take it back.  Windows '98 was okay.  Not great, but usable.  3.1, though, was completely nuts to me.  I know Microsoft struggles with the whole "intuitive design" thing (being the company that demands you hit a button labeled "Start" to turn the machine off), but that one was pretty bad.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:43:20 PM EST
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You're right.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:25:40 PM EST
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Well my technical advisor who has actually tried it says that the beta does actually seem to run faster, which is a bit unbelievable, as the core architecture is meant to be available. and you'll have lots of extra diagnostic and debugging stuff lieing on top.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:22:25 PM EST
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Microsoft. Well.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 03:44:48 PM EST
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notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 08:56:36 AM EST
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I was thinking more of mercy killing.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 11:21:01 AM EST
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How did Microsoft manage to survive the Vista fiasco?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:47:30 PM EST
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I think this comment is missing from This Diary

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 05:11:45 PM EST
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Google Earth brings masterpieces from Prado museum direct to armchair art lovers | Art and design | guardian.co.uk

Armchair tourists who are used to travelling the globe with Google Earth can now use the same technology to crawl all over the masterpieces in one of the world's most famous galleries: the Prado.

The Madrid museum and the internet search giant today unveil the first use of Google's mapping programme to allow art lovers to get so close to their favourite paintings that even the brush strokes are visible.

"It allows people to see the main masterworks in the museum as they never have done before," the museum said. "You can see details that the human eye alone is unable to see."

Fourteen of the Prado's masterpieces - including works by Francisco de Goya, Diego Velázquez and Hieronymus Bosch - can be seen online in almost microscopic detail. The technology allows internet users to fly across the surface of the canvases, homing in on details that would be invisible to the naked eye if they visited the Madrid gallery in person.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:55:47 PM EST
A contradiction ...

The technology allows internet users to fly across the surface of the canvases, homing in on details that would be invisible to the naked eye if they visited the Madrid gallery in person.

... really, reinforcing my prejudicial opinion (European museums notoriously natural light; this tech is no true virtual tour. Second, one can always spot an working artist in a museum; they're the only one's "homing in on details" -- cheek to jowl with canvas (not "frame" dammit) or the velvet rope or the Rent-a-Cop. Critics hog the banquettes. Tourists power down the trail, clockwise.)

of tourism and GOOG. Thanks.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:31:24 PM EST
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EU artwork shines new light on member countries | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Greece is on fire, Slovenia likes nothing better than to masturbate and army officers in Lithuania spend their time pissing on their unfriendly neighbour Russia.

That is how Europe is officially portrayed by its new masters, who took over the continent on 1 January.

A new artwork, commissioned by the Czech government for its six-month presidency of the EU, was this morning installed in the headquarters of the Council of Ministers in Brussels.

The giant mock plastic board, entitled Entropa, is supposed to contain works of art from all 27 EU member states (for full details in pdf form, click here).

...

The creator of Entropa is the Czech artist David Cerny, who famously painted a Soviet tank, meant as a war memorial, pink in 1991.

He was briefly arrested because the Monument to Soviet Tank Crews was still a national cultural monument.

Alexandr Vondra, the deputy Czech prime minister, said: "Sculpture, and art more generally, can speak where words fail.

"In line with the Czech presidency motto, 'A Europe without barriers', we gave the 27 artists the same opportunity to express themselves freely as a proof that, in today's Europe, there is no place for censorship.

"In return, we got an uncommon, yet common, piece of art. I am confident in Europe's open mind and capacity to appreciate such a project."

I should perhaps explain Slovenia's interest in masturbation. Erwin Mrkosek, the artist, depicts Slovenia with the words: "First tourists came here in 1213."

He says these first visitors left an appreciative message in caves in Postojna, meaning Slovenians will sell themselves as visitors because they are descended from foreigners.

"This is a strategy associated with the delight of masturbation; we view the hand we use in autoerotic stimulation as the hand of another," the artist writes.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 01:59:07 PM EST
France is shown as a big strike, Spain is all concrete and Lux. is for sale.  No mention of the cost.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:02:05 PM EST
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An online "game" with a political message:

http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:12:48 PM EST
Yikes it wants to download tons of stuff and crashed my IE

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:41:18 PM EST
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from the McKinsey Quarterly, the best and the brightest, headline news.

Opening up to investors

Executives need to become comfortable with transparency if they want to help investors make investment decisions.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:45:16 PM EST
Christian Wolmar - Trusting Network Rail is hard to do

CW is an expert on railways and when he speaks you can usually assume it's far closer to the truth than the govt would like to admit.

The biggest pretence, though, is that Network Rail is viable. There's a very simple way to refute that. Network Rail's debt has risen from the £9bn it inherited at its creation in 2002 to over £20bn now and that is set to rise to a staggering £31.5bn by the end of the next control period in 2014. While we are all used to talking about billions these days, that is a staggering sum. In other words, before a single train moves, by the middle of the next decade, Network Rail will require, on the entirely predictable assumption that interest rates rise again, around £1.7bn to service its debt each year. And that is likely to keep on growing.

 These figures show that the entire income from franchising will soon go towards servicing Network Rail's debt. In other words, all Network Rail's other costs - operations, maintenance, renewal and expansion - will have to come from government subsidies, apart from a few bits and pieces like property income and freight payments.

 That is completely unsustainable. First, there is the risk that the debt will eventually get onto government books, and frankly, given his golden rules have been thrown out of the window, who would give a damn. Secondly, the government has made clear that it wants the railway to be more self-financing. Will this include a requirement to start paying back this debt? If so, then passengers are in for a real hammering as fares will be forced up dramatically. And it that is not the case, what is the long term expectation of what will happen to this debt?



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:49:42 PM EST
Well having had an encounter with a particularly surly example of railway staff while buying a ticket for tomorrows trip to London. Network rail and attatched companies are not my favourite people tonight.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 02:54:19 PM EST
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Are we eating sausages and aligot, or???

Let's Go Red Wings!
by redstar on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:37:41 PM EST
I don't know...

If we were to eat downstairs from Jerome's apartment, where would that be? Last I remember (from the September meetup which I didn't attend) is that Firenze was under new management and was not the favourite place any longer.

I'm thinking I might want to go hang put at Geezer's boat for a while before dinner. Would it be practical for us to park the van in the 16th, go to the 12th and wait for y'all to come to around Bastille (is there good eating there?) after work for dinner, then go to the 16th to pick up the van again?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:46:07 PM EST
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you're crazy!

It would be almost as easy to bring the van to geezer's place (and you can park right in front of it) and drive out in the evening (it's also close to the same riverbank freeway, just coming from the other side of Paris).

And if people are so allergic to the 16th, I can join you in Bastille for the evening.

You know, keeping things simple usually works!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 04:57:31 PM EST
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Simple is the cafette at the Campanile on Salengro in Chaville for me...

Of course, I recognize this is hardly acceptable...

Let's Go Red Wings!

by redstar on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 05:19:00 PM EST
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My ideal plan would be to park somewhere easy and accessible with minimal navigation from any of the main roads, and eat somewhere near there.

Is that going to be possible?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 06:09:56 PM EST
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Yes, but neither you nor I know Paris all that well - so we need others to propose what to do, where.


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 09:17:18 PM EST
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You know, I have spent 2h stuck in traffic with LEP once going to Geezer's boat so I would rather not go inside the peripherique with the van :-) There is public transport and I think we'll be there early enough for me to take a couple of hours to go visit Geezer and family and then meet the rest of you for dinner after you get out of work.

I have never driven in Paris so "almost as easy" for you translates as "worse than not-so-easy" for me.

But maybe you're right and the easiest thing is to park in front of Geezer's boat and leave from there. I'll ask Google Maps what it thinks about it tomorrow.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 09:25:22 PM EST
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There's no public transportation strike planned for Friday, unlike the last time you came... Makes quite a difference about Driving in Paris. And if you make sure to go through Porte de Bercy when going in, in the middle of the afternoon, you shouldn't meet much transit problems.

There stops my advice as I am not a driver myself...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 04:43:12 AM EST
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I'm having a really stressful day and I don't want to get even more stressed out trying to coordinate everyone's agenda so I am decreeing that I'll have dinner somewhere around 8pm somewhere around Bastille because I'd like to see Geezer and while going with him and back to La Defence was fun, I don't want to subject him to the ordeal of crossing Paris just to see me. I'm not that interesting.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 10:06:35 AM EST
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Driving in Paris is a doddle compared with London. Just make sure you have a map down to road name detail from where you arrive off the peripherique (make sure you know the porte name) through to where you finally leave. Having a navigator to do all your road name reading makes it easy peasy.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 08:56:46 AM EST
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I had aligot last saturday ! and variations of cheese and potatoes about twelve times this year !

Bastille would work for us anyway. And there's plenty of restaurants around...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:57:16 PM EST
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Someone has shamelessly stolen our articles on Gazprom

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 05:25:10 PM EST
http://www.andreasangelidakis.com/

It doesn´t look like this man designs anything
that can actually be built.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:14:26 PM EST
Please sign and pass it on.  It can´t hurt.

http://avaaz.org/en/gaza_time_for_peace/

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. --Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Jan 13th, 2009 at 07:17:26 PM EST
Teens bare all on phones | Cincinnati Enquirer

In the Cincinnati area, where legend holds that trends come 10 years late, "sexting" arrived well ahead of time.

Teens here are taking nude photos of themselves or others, sending them on their cell phones or posting them online.

Some teens do it as a joke.

For others, it's the new bold pickup line to get a date.

[...] "If I were to go through the cell phones in this building right now of 1,500 students, I would venture to say that half to two-thirds have indecent photos, either of themselves or somebody else in school," said Jim Brown, school resource officer at Glen Este High School. [...] "They were as graphic as you would see in any Penthouse magazine, I've been told." [...]

The stakes of taking and sending sexually explicit photos can be high, compared to the thrill at the time.

The consequences can range from humiliation to losing out on jobs to going to court.

Nothing better to do for kids in these troubled times? How far are they from child porno accusations?

by das monde on Wed Jan 14th, 2009 at 05:26:40 AM EST


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