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Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:30:35 AM EST

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As noted in yesterday's thread, our "Davos" question seems to have been the first one to have been asked, to Richard Edelman.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:32:05 AM EST
Yes, but the answer wasn't worth the air it was breathed upon. He obviously didn't understand its conceptual frame. He might as well have said "they're in charge and they'll do what we like cos they can"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:34:38 AM EST
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That is what he said. That is his answer. What more were you expecting?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:36:53 AM EST
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I was expecting him to say that no one else predicted the problems anyway, so why not listen to them, as they are still more experienced than anyone else. Instead he basically ignored the question.

CNN claimed that the question was from a "blogger" called European Tribune...

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:42:36 AM EST
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Exactly my take: "because we're the ones in power".

Well, there is a fix for that... but it's a bloody mess.

by Torres on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:39:26 AM EST
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Classically disconnected authoritarian answer from a self-important idiot in a suit.

At least CNN got the URL right. :)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:58:50 AM EST
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Posing the question was far more important than getting an answer. The brief visibility was useful and could be quoted in any promotion of ET.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:58:43 AM EST
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Yes.

I think that the answer he gave spoke volumes to the serious entitlement issues at the root of the current crisis.

It seemed the subtext of his comment was that there's something that should be taken for granted about these folks being in charge. Even when taxpayers all across the OECD countries have long since started picking up the tab.

A form of domination in which the elite is maintained through rents from control of the asset economy is much less objectionable than one where their upkeep is provided through taxes.

Mostly because that looks awfully similar to feudalism......

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:28:34 AM EST
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that Edelman was suggesting that the "serious" people should agree to bring NGOs to the table, and that the NGOs should join in a spirit of compromise?

ie, we should still listen to the people that failed, but agree to give a (small) seat to a few outsiders that don't rock the boat too much?

I suppose it's defensive, and thus progress, but it was still a rather big FU, non?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:48:04 AM EST
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Oui, qu'ils mangent de la brioche

Yes, I think that the idea was supposed to be compromise, but when you're talking about leaving the people responsible for this mess in charge, it sounds an awful lot like surrender.  

I think that the Davos set have basically no idea how the other half (or more to the point vast majority) live.  I finally got my copy of Unjust Rewards in the mail. I'm looking forward to seeing if the rest of the book is as good as this excerpt was:

High-earners tend to be elusive, preserving their privacy at home and at work, journeying between them in expensive cars. But in sessions conducted by Ipsos Mori over two evenings we did meet partners in a law firm of international renown and senior staff from equally world-famous merchant banks. Their business is money, and they make it: the law partners earned between £500,000 and £1.5m per year, putting them in the top 0.1% of earners in the UK, while the merchant bankers ranged from £150,000 up to £10m.

We hoped to gain an insight into their notions of fairness - what might persuade them to share more of their wealth with others. What we encountered was a startling demonstration of ignorance. Here were professionals who deal daily with money, yet know next to nothing about other people's incomes. When asked to relate themselves to the rest of the population, these high-earners utterly misjudged the magnitude of their privilege.

How much, we asked our group, would it take to put someone in the top 10% of earners? They put the figure at £162,000. In fact, in 2007 it was around £39,825, the point at which the top tax band began. Our group found it hard to believe that nine-tenths of the UK's 32m taxpayers earned less than that. As for the poverty threshold, our lawyers and bankers fixed it at £22,000. But that sum was just under median earnings, which meant they regarded ordinary wages as poverty pay.

The next time that you get an opportunity like this question, I suggest going for the "let them eat cake" question.  Just how out of touch are the people in charge with what constitutes poverty and ordinary life?

But remember that if (or when) you do this, they will lay upon you the same charge that Lord Mandelson put on the Fabians for pointing out that "Fairness doesn't happen by chance," and that simple Christian expectation that "to whom much has been been given, much is expected."

They will accuse you of engaging in the politics of envy.

As though there's some eternal justice in a privileged few feasting, while so many suffer famine.

I think that it's time I start working on that article I've pushed off to the side.

Lord Mandelson's comment really burned me, because it's what's unspoken beneath the cold language of economics:

"Know your station, peasants."

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:09:19 PM EST
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Well, yes. But he was really saying that CEOs (NB - not so much politicians) are the de facto leaders and decision makers, and it's not a good idea to rock the boat midstream, changes horses in the middle of a battle, and all of the other cliches.

As an authoritarian he's going to prefer strong leadership and rigid hierarchy, irrespective of results. I don't think he's capable of contemplating a more democratic bottom-up approach.

This quote and the Rumsfeld story from yesterday make it obvious that the artistocrats CEO class simply cannot understand that ordinary non-serious people have a much more realistic idea of what's happening around them, with a sense of likely outcomes which is much more accurately predictive.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:14:16 PM EST
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Yeah, "in these times we need more leadership", so non-leaders have to shut up. They will husband us (and other resources) as well as they can.
by das monde on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 09:30:43 PM EST
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Question:  Are you prepared for a drastic increase in readership?  Will Jerome speak for ET like KOS does for dKOS?  Got one of those feelings that this could be the start of  ...  for ET.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 01:02:07 PM EST
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that old dictum: "It takes a thief to catch a thief."

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 01:58:17 PM EST
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Guardian | IMF: UK economy will be hardest hit in worst recession since second world war

Britain's economy will be the hardest hit in the developed world in what is expected to be the "deepest recession since the second world war," the International Monetary Fund said today.

The IMF now expects the UK economy to shrink by 2.8% this year, compared with the 1.3% it was forecasting in November. This is worse than the 2% average drop in output the body has estimated for advanced nations.

Global growth is expected to fall to 0.5% this year as the "scale and scope of the current financial crisis have taken the global economy into uncharted waters".

Official figures last week confirmed that Britain fell into recession at the end of 2008. The UK economy slumped by 1.5% in the final three months of the year - worse than expected by analysts and sparking fears of a deep and prolonged recession. Over 2008 as a whole, the British economy shrank by 0.7%.

The EU is expected to slump 2%, and the US by 1.6%.

[Drew's WHEEEEE™ Technology]

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:09:28 AM EST
Capitalism's Self-inflicted Apocalypse

A Self-devouring Beast

The capitalist state has two roles long recognized by political thinkers. First, like any state it must provide services that cannot be reliably developed through private means, such as public safety and orderly traffic. Second, the capitalist state protects the haves from the have-nots, securing the process of capital accumulation to benefit the moneyed interests, while heavily circumscribing the demands of the working populace, as Debs observed from his jail cell.

There is a third function of the capitalist state seldom mentioned. It consists of preventing the capitalist system from devouring itself.  Consider the core contradiction Karl Marx pointed to: the tendency toward overproduction and market crisis. An economy dedicated to speedups and wage cuts, to making workers produce more and more for less and less, is always in danger of a crash. To maximize profits, wages must be kept down. But someone has to buy the goods and services being produced. For that, wages must be kept up. There is a chronic tendency--as we are seeing today--toward overproduction of private sector goods and services and underconsumption of necessities by the working populace. 

In addition, there is the frequently overlooked self-destruction created by the moneyed players themselves. If left completely unsupervised, the more active command component of the financial system begins to devour less organized sources of wealth.

 Instead of trying to make money by the arduous task of producing and marketing goods and services, the marauders tap directly into the money streams of the economy itself. During the 1990s we witnessed the collapse of an entire economy in Argentina when unchecked free marketeers stripped enterprises, pocketed vast sums, and left the country's productive capacity in shambles. The Argentine state, gorged on a heavy diet of free-market ideology, faltered in its function of saving capitalism from the capitalists.

Some years later, in the United States, came the multi-billion-dollar plunder perpetrated by corporate conspirators at Enron, WorldCom, Harkin, Adelphia, and a dozen other major companies. Inside players like Ken Lay turned successful corporate enterprises into sheer wreckage, wiping out the jobs and life savings of thousands of employees in order to pocket billions.

...

Is the crisis of 2008-09 caused by a chronic tendency toward overproduction and hyper-financial accumulation, as Marx would have it? Or is it the outcome of the personal avarice of people like Bernard Madoff? In other words, is the problem systemic or individual?  In fact, the two are not mutually exclusive. Capitalism breeds the venal perpetrators, and rewards the most unscrupulous among them.  The crimes and crises are not irrational departures from a rational system, but the converse: they are the rational outcomes of a basically irrational and amoral system.

Worse still, the ensuing multi-billion dollar government bailouts are themselves being turned into an opportunity for pillage. Not only does the state fail to regulate, it becomes itself a source of plunder, pulling vast sums from the federal money machine, leaving the taxpayers to bleed.

Those who scold us for "running to the government for a handout" are themselves running to the government for a handout. Corporate America has always enjoyed grants-in-aid, loan guarantees, and other state and federal subventions. But the 2008-09 "rescue operation" offered a record feed at the public trough. More than $350 billion was dished out by a right-wing lame-duck Secretary of the Treasury to the biggest banks and financial houses without oversight--not to mention the more than $4 trillion that has come from the Federal Reserve.  Most of the banks, including JPMorgan Chase and Bank of New York Mellon, stated that they had no intention of letting anyone know where the money was going.

The big bankers used some of the bailout, we do know, to buy up smaller banks and prop up banks overseas. CEOs and other top banking executives are spending bailout funds on fabulous bonuses and lavish corporate spa retreats. Meanwhile, big bailout beneficiaries like Citigroup and Bank of America laid off tens of thousands of employees, inviting the question: why were they given all that money in the first place?

While hundreds of billions were being doled out to the very people who had caused the catastrophe, the housing market continued to wilt, credit remained paralyzed, unemployment worsened, and consumer spending sank to record lows.

In sum, free-market corporate capitalism is by its nature a disaster waiting to happen. Its essence is the transformation of living nature into mountains of commodities and commodities into heaps of dead capital.  When left entirely to its own devices, capitalism foists its diseconomies and toxicity upon the general public and upon the natural environment--and eventually begins to devour itself



"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:34:37 AM EST
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Vulture Funds | Bloomberg | 28 Jan 2009

Lawyers at Kirkland & Ellis LLP, home to former Whitewater prosecutor Ken Starr, are asking as much as $1,110 an hour for bankruptcy work while creditors are recovering less of their loans through company restructurings.

Kirkland requested a top rate equal to $18.50 a minute for advising Tronox Inc. in its bankruptcy, according to court papers filed Jan. 26. Chicago-based Sidley Austin LLP and New York's Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP also requested hourly rates exceeding $1,000 in the past two months in separate bankruptcy cases, as lenders' recoveries are forecast by ratings company Moody's Corp. to drop 22 percent in the recession.  ...

Kirkland's Richard Cieri, chairman of the firm's bankruptcy practice, said he's charging $965 an hour as the lead lawyer advising titanium dioxide-maker Tronox, up from his fee of $925 last year. The $1,110-an-hour rate reflects conversion of a U.K.-based partner's fee from pounds to dollars, Cieri said. [bwahahaha]

Partners at Sidley, where U.S. President Barack Obama once worked and met his wife Michelle, want to charge as much as $1,100 an hour to advise Tribune Co. on its restructuring [Ch.11], according to a Dec. 26 court filing. Skadden Arps requested as much as $1,050 an hour for partners counseling Circuit City Stores Inc. [liquidation] in its bankruptcy, according to court papers filed Nov. 20.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:13:40 PM EST
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Forbes:  http://tinyurl.com/dkuqfg  
WS most powerful law firm.
In good times and bad, Skadden's lawyers make money on upheavals in global capitalism.

Skadden. The name, terse and uncompromising, symbolizes the most rarefied levels of corporate law, where clients throw platoons of attorneys at a problem and barely blink at the resulting $50,000-an-hour bills.

With 1,700 attorneys and $2.2 billion in fees last year, New York's Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom is the biggest U.S. law firm by revenue and the third biggest worldwide. The partnership's $693 million profit in 2007 exceeded the net income of much larger companies,...



Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 06:20:31 PM EST
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to be a fly on the wall at some of those meetings...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 07:16:17 PM EST
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In yet another article about how to deal with the crisis, Martin Wolf moves yet one step further by specifically mentioning the "illusory profits" of the financial sector in recent years (quoting a FSA chair speech, see below).

But he cannot avoid taking a snipe at the "savings glut" again, in conclusion:


It is going to be very hard to generate substantial net borrowing by households and non-financial corporations in the high-income countries with high internal debt. It is unimaginable that they will return to levels of private-sector borrowing, spending and increases in debt that characterised these countries for so long. Countries with large current account surpluses have long demanded an end to the profligate borrowing and spending of the customers upon whom they depended. They should have been careful what they wished for: they have now got it. Enjoy!

Effectively, he is endorsing blackmail of the prudent by the reckless.

Here's what Adam Turner, the new chairman of the FSA (Financial Services Authority) has to say:


it is also possible that the importance of financial services as a percent of GDP has been swollen by two other factors - one of which is illusory and short term, and the other harmful and longer term.

  • The illusory one arises from mark to market profits in a rising market. If the bank and near-bank system in total holds a net long position in those assets which we mark to market - which it does - and if irrational exuberance can push the price of those assets to irrationally high levels (which I think it clearly did in the years running up to early 2007) then mark to market accounting will swell declared profit in an unsustainable way, but in a way which, reflected in bonuses, may reinforce management and traders' determination to do more of the clever stuff, which is delivering those profits;

  • The possible long-term and harmful possibility is rent extraction. For there must be a suspicion that some and perhaps much of the structuring and trading activity involved in the complex version of securitised credit, was not required to deliver credit intermediation efficiently, but achieved an economic rent extraction made possible by the opacity of margins and the asymmetry of information and knowledge between end users of financial services and producers. Simply put, wholesale financial services, and in particular that element devoted to securitised credit intermediation and to the trading of securitised credit instruments - grew to a size unjustified by the value of its service to the real economy, and is now going through a downsizing, part of which is cyclical, but part a permanent one-off adjustment to a more economically efficient size.

Now of course, if you are an extreme Chicago school economic liberal, what I have said cannot be the case. If the industry grew dramatically in the decade to 2007 that must be because it was performing value added services: if complex product innovations were able to sustain themselves economically, they must have been socially useful innovations. But after what has happened, I think we know that that is not the case.

That speech is certainly worth reading.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:44:39 AM EST
Obviously the Chicago school of Legerdemain believes that it is vital that their audience continues to believe that the appearance of the rabbit under the hat is a miracle of professionalism, and not the age-old trick of misdirection of the audience.

Conjuring has nothing to do with economics.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 10:55:24 AM EST
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Interesting graph:



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:17:02 PM EST
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Pan-Africanism | Hureaux Perez | 28 Jan 2009

The late Pan-African scholar Aime Cesaire addressed this ideological barbarity and practice many years ago in his exchanges on colonialism with the Haitian poet Renee Depestre.  At the root of Hitlerism, said Cesaire, we find the inability of the western "progressive" to recognize himself in the actions of the classic imperial world, which was the actual progenitor of the policies which led the Third Reich:

Yes, it would be worthwhile to study clinically, in detail, the steps taken by Hitler and Hitlerism to reveal to the very distinguished, very humanistic, very Christian bourgeois of the twentieth century that without his being aware of it, he has a Hitler inside him, that Hitler inhabits him, that Hitler is his demon, that if he rails against him, he is being inconsistent, and that, at bottom, what he cannot forgive Hitler for is not crime in itself, the crime against man, it is not the humiliation of man as such, it is the crime against the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the coolies of India, and the blacks of Africa.

And that is the great thing I hold against pseudo-humanism: that for too long it has diminished the rights of man, that its concept of those rights has been - and still is - narrow and fragmentary, incomplete and biased and, all things considered, sordidly racist.

Incorrigible | Palast | 28 Jan 2009

Now that certainly deserves a bonus. And let's face it, a butthole that big needs a $35,000 toilet. Instead, the guy that paid the $50 billion, Bank of America Chairman Kenneth Lewis, is keeping his job. Lewis is the same guy that just spent billions more on buying Countrywide Financial, the sub-prime mortgage loan sharks that have brought America to its knees and put Bank of America into effective bankruptcy. (Note to Mr. Lewis: the only thing worse than getting cancer is PAYING for it.)

But dumber than Lewis is the loser who OK'd paying Bank of America for its losses on Merrill, who traded a pile of turds for a stack of gold -- our gold from the U.S. Treasury. That was Tim Geithner, Obama's pick for Treasury Secretary, who's now answering questions at Senate confirmation hearings about his funky tax filings. Tiny Tim was head of the New York Federal Reserve Bank during the Bush regime. Along with Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, Geithner came up with that $700 billion bail-out that loaded banks with loot on their way to insolvency. Bank of America got $25 billion of it to spend on Thain's company Merrill. That was before the extra $20 billion was weedled by Thain.

So why, President Obama, have you given us Tiny Tim to save our sorry nation's economic behind? What's with that?

Waiver



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:15:58 AM EST
More Waivering? | WSJ | 28 Jan 2009

WASHINGTON -- The new chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was a top lobbyist for Goldman Sachs Group Inc. until last year, and will have to recuse himself from some government duties under new White House ethics rules.

The appointment of Mark Patterson runs into an executive order President Barack Obama signed to limit the ability of officials to move between industry and government. The order, part of a campaign promise to curb the influence business, allows lobbyists to join the administration as long as they don't work on the subjects they tried to influence for a period of two years.

Before Mr. Patterson left Goldman in April, he was vice president for government relations, and was registered to lobby Congress on legislation including energy tax credits and Indian gaming, according to disclosure forms filed with Congress. Mr. Patterson monitored other issues moving through Congress that Goldman never took a position on, including foreclosure-prevention measures and shareholder votes on executive compensation. ...

Last week, the Obama administration issued a waiver of the rules for another high-level staffer, William Lynn, who was appointed to be the deputy secretary at the Department of Defense. Mr. Lynn, formerly a registered lobbyist for Raytheon Co., where he was the senior vice president of government operations, was exempted from the requirement to remove himself from dealings with his former company or the issues that he addressed.

Several recent appointees have lobbied for groups that are close allies of the new president, including Patrick Gaspard, the new White House political director, who was registered by the Service Employees International Union to work on passing an expansion of funding for children's health insurance. A White House spokesman said Mr. Gaspard will recuse himself from matters dealing with that legislation and that a waiver will be granted to another administration employee, Cecilia Munoz, the new director of intergovernmental affairs, who was a lobbyist for The National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy organization.

Now, someone roll up here to tell us the Obama admin cannot find one single qualified candidate whose last job was registered lobbyist. Or the 'ethics' only concerns staff separation from the WH after 2009.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:58:25 AM EST
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I'm sure it can.

But you have to realise that none of the alternatives are Experienced Enough™ to do the job properly.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:17:50 PM EST
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Yes, I'm beginning to realize that the other job (besides cash infusions) demanding persons Experienced EnoughTM is defending executive privileges created by the Bush admin.

Yoo's defense team | Politico | 28 Jan 2009

Next week, Justice Department lawyers are set to ask a San Francisco federal judge to throw out a lawsuit brought against Yoo by Jose Padilla, a New York man held without charges on suspicion of being an Al Qaeda operative plotting to set off a "dirty bomb." ...

That's not all. On Thursday, Justice Department lawyers are slated to be in Charleston, S.C., to ask a federal magistrate there to dismiss another lawsuit charging about a dozen current and former government officials with violating Padilla's rights in connection with his unusual detention on U.S. soil, without charges or a trial.

The defendants in that case are like a who's who of Bush administration boogeymen to Obama's liberal followers -- former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz and former Attorney General John Ashcroft.

The two cases raise the question of how aggressively the Obama administration intends to defend alleged legal excesses of the Bush administration in the war on terror. The Supreme Court recently gave the new president until March to decide whether to defend the detention without trial of another man held as an enemy combatant, Ali Saleh Al-Marri.

These DoJ assignment come hard on the heels of House Judiciary's second Rove subpoena. Yesterday. Some may recall that Rove ignored the first subpoena, claiming former WH employees cannot be compelled to testify before Congress.

Testing 1, 2, 3... | DemocracyNow! | 28 Jan 2009

SCOTT HORTON: Well, I think it's a test at the beginning of the new administration of its commitment to transparency, and it also presents a challenge to them about what to do with the pervasive claims of privilege that were used by the Bush administration to block congressional probes. And during the campaign and afterwards, President Obama stated that he was going to adopt transparency as a keynote. He criticized the positions the Bush administration took, and I think that will be put to the test right now.

In fact, Bob Luskin has already stated that he will contact Greg Craig, and he will ask for guidance as to what posture should be taken with respect to executive privilege. Now, there's sort of a wrinkle here that's interesting, and that is that Greg Craig, who is Barack Obama's White House counsel, is also a friend of Karl Rove, something he's talked about openly, and his law firm, Williams & Connolly--his former law firm, I should say--represented Karl Rove with respect to some publication deals. So that presents a bit of a complication.

Maybe Holder will invent a Deluxe Waiver to acknowledge the permanent recusals of former WH employees during their tenure and to recommend their defective public service to future employers.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 01:49:43 PM EST
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It's the Economy, Girlfriend | The Onion

The economic crisis came home to 27-year-old Megan Petrus early last year when her boyfriend of eight months, a derivatives trader for a major bank, proved to be more concerned about helping a laid-off colleague than comforting Ms. Petrus after her father had a heart attack.

For Christine Cameron, the recession became real when the financial analyst she had been dating for about a year would get drunk and disappear while they were out together, then accuse her the next day of being the one who had absconded.

Dawn Spinner Davis, 26, a beauty writer, said the downward-trending graphs began to make sense when the man she married on Nov. 1, a 28-year-old private wealth manager, stopped playing golf, once his passion. "One of his best friends told me that my job is now to keep him calm and keep him from dying at the age of 35," Ms. Davis said. "It's not what I signed up for."

They shared their sad stories the other night at an informal gathering of Dating a Banker Anonymous, a support group founded in November to help women cope with the inevitable relationship fallout from, say, the collapse of Lehman Brothers or the Dow's shedding 777 points in a single day, as it did on Sept. 29.

In addition to meeting once or twice weekly for brunch or drinks at a bar or restaurant, the group has a blog, billed as "free from the scrutiny of feminists," that invites women to join "if your monthly Bergdorf's allowance has been halved and bottle service has all but disappeared from your life."

Theirs is not the typical 12-step program. ...



Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:36:30 AM EST
The first post on their blog:

Ain't Messin' With No Broke Banker

January 27, 2009 in Uncategorized | 26 comments

This whole messy ordeal has advanced my Botox start date by at least two years.  Like every other DABA girl, the economy was wreaking havoc on my relationship and youthful good looks.  Phone calls went unanswered, Hamptons invitations un-extended, plans canceled (including, but not limited to, expensive opening night tickets to the ballet, which were scalped instead of being graciously offered to me and a galpal), and so forth and so on.  Until - the horror of all horrors - my FBF lost his job, which I guess technically downgrades him to just my BF.

Overnight, he went from unavailable to downright clingy.  He wants to have dinner every night.  By dinner I mean staying in and cooking as Megu is no longer in the budget.  AND, FYI DABA girls - chopping vegetables along side your man in a hot New York sized kitchen is NOTHING like the sexy kitchen scene between Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger in Nine and a Half Weeks.  Seriously.  It sucks.  Anyhow, he suggested I meet his parents over the holidays and he keeps commenting that half Asian babies are by far the cutest.  My take on his 180: having no steady source of income for the foreseeable future, he realized that his chances of securing another fashion industry type girl are pretty much zilch and so he is cleaving to me as the last vestige of his former high rolling lifestyle.

Thanks to the recession, I now have a completely devoted BF, which is exactly what I wanted.  So I should be happy, right?  Wrong.  I'm bored and can't stop thinking about my perpetually unattainable Euro ex-boyfriend who is recession proof courtesy of an offshore trust account.  To be honest, I'm only with my BF because I just don't have the heart to change my facebook status from "in a relationship" to "I ain't saying I'm a gold digger, but I ain't messin' with no broke banker."

Not to introduce the "scrutiny of feminists" or anything, but, girls, they're not checking CNBC to see how the markets are doing.  They're fantasizing about Erin Burnett, because their girlfriends are spoiled, gold-digging morons.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:24:54 PM EST
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I guess.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:59:54 PM EST
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And I'd just like to say: Just when I think the monkeys running the NYT can't possibly destroy its legacy any more....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:27:04 PM EST
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Perhaps they should start a blog and see if they can blag free entry to Davos.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:56:16 PM EST
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It's the Economy, Girlfriend - NYTimes.com

Despite the seemingly endless stream of disparaging remarks and shaking heads, some of the appeal of dating a banker remains.

"It's not even about a $200 dinner," Ms. Petrus said. "It's that he's an alpha male, he's aggressive, he's a go-getter, he doesn't take no for an answer, he's confident, people respect him and that creates the whole mystique of who he is."


Humans are so fucking simple.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 12:55:50 PM EST
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It's just high school, except that the jocks have gone on to bagging groceries, and the cheerleaders have moved on to fashion and dumped them for bankers.

Evolution!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 01:23:20 PM EST
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Drew J Jones: except that the jocks have gone on to bagging groceries, and the cheerleaders have moved on to fashion and dumped them for bankers.

Not quite.  Several jocks from my high school went on to become traders, and they did a lot of bagging but it wasn't groceries.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 02:03:32 PM EST
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funny pictures of cats with captions
more animals

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:43:03 AM EST
Check this link, provided by NBBooks in this diary on Kos: political power of just 6 banks is problem which I've requested be reposted over here.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 11:44:41 AM EST
It does address the issue that I've been wondering about; if organisations are too big to fail, shouldn't they be legally broken up for the good of the economy/country ?

Standard Oil and various other 19th century institutions were dismantled for the health of the economy, why not Wall St institutions ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 01:31:40 PM EST
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EU Chief Praises Finland's Economic Model

These remarks would also be directed toward Sweden were Barroso in Stockholm...

Barroso said the rest of the world should look toward Finland as an example.

"Finland has created wealth not through easy money, not with casino money, but with work, discipline and ideas," he said. "I think it's a good lesson not only for Europe but the whole world."

The EU chief said that the global financial crisis is not a result of insufficient regulation or oversight, but simply because people want to get rich quick without working for it.

Vanhanen referred to Finland's experiences during the severe recession of the early 1990s. He noted that the state made major investments in new technologies, which helped to pull the country out of the slump. The premier stressed that the government must play a more active role in the economy.

Vanhanen was gilding the lily. Though 3.5% GDP investment in R&D did help, the most important decision imo was to create Roskapankkia (Rubbish Banks) that would hold devalued/unsellable assets that could be held and sold off (some profitably) during recovery.

Barroso is wrong about 'insufficient regulation', but in other ways he's promoting an OK social liberal POV.

The get-rich-quick, get-fame-quick state of mind is the fundamental problem. It's the old what-is-happiness argument, but one that has not been fully addressed.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 01:53:20 PM EST
funny pictures of dogs with captions
see more puppies

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 02:27:20 PM EST
Internet Ad Spending Soars, Magazines Suffer

The amount of money spent on media advertising last year edged up by 1.7 percent compared with the previous year. However traditional print media suffered a decline in ad revenue.
Companies spent 34.2 percent more money on internet advertising than in 2007. Online ads accounted for one-tenth of the total ad spend.

This will all look very different in 12 months time. Finnish newspapers have yet to take a heavy hit from phenomena such as Craigslist simply because of the language - but there are Finnish versions coming up. The main daily, Helsingin Sanomat, is largely subscription and this may help survival. The tabloids may suffer.

TV advertising is touch and go - if people spend more time at home, then it may survive, thought injured - but all the signs are for a severe cutback. That could put Yle, the license-funded state broadcaster, in a better position (which I will take into account in my pitches to them)

I am expecting a switch of ad-spend to online, and will trim my sails accordingly ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 02:37:48 PM EST


No one could have predictedby ATinNM on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 08:38:57 PM EST
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Sven's Trimming of Sails Technology™
I 'm not sure I like the cut of your jib ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:35:16 AM EST
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How were you able to reply to that comment/picture? It had somehow cut off the reply and rating section (on my home and work computers!)

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:52:35 AM EST
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Mine too, but the rating/reply bar was above the picture, not below. I strange glitch that I've not seen before. But then one can expect glitches in the Matrix with ATinNM ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 04:00:39 AM EST
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I'm not sure why the end line was re-formatted to go on top of the comment rather than below it.  Something to do with the tr/td code.  

However ...

The answer is out there, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:25:42 AM EST
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Seymour Glitch, amateur racist, ugly fruit fancier and MP for the Center Parting. Seymour's hobbies are housewife baiting, running headfirst at wooden panelling and the pummeling of cunning linguists.

You have been warned...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:36:22 AM EST
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The weather sucks. It isn't even snowing properly, just a slushy mix of rain and wet snow - basically sidewalks covered in solid puddles of slush. So, what to do. How about some hot cocoa. Yeah, the soluble stuff isn't too good, even premium versions, and making it from scratch is a pain - except it isn't.

Take some decent quality unsweetened cocoa powder in a small bowl or cup, add sugar to taste, cinnamon and/or nutmeg optional. Stir with implement of choice (I find chopsticks are a very underrated kitchen tool). Add some water and stir mixture into a smooth paste. Add a bit of decent quality vanilla extract. In the meantime, take a mug, add milk, microwave. Remember to leave room for the chocolate paste - stuff melts, it doesn't dissolve into the milk. Stir paste into milk.

Enjoy

PS This trick works for making cold chocolate milk in the appropriate season, though the paste has to be fairly thin for that.

PPS - Heat the milk before adding the chocolate.

by MarekNYC on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 02:40:37 PM EST
I use the KISS method and abbreviate it:  Heat milk, sprinkle! the pure cocoa powder as you stir it, add the sugar and a shot of rum.  Vanilla is for wussies.  (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:18:44 AM EST
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I wanted to get your take and opinion on what Centrica says wind power costs

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/26/london_array_finance_worries/

The Financial Times reported at the weekend that Paul Golby, chief executive of E.ON UK - which owns 30 per cent of the Array venture - says that "the economics [of the Array] are looking pretty difficult".

Offshore windfarms like the Array are much more expensive to build and maintain than onshore ones, costing roughly twice as much. The FT quotes energy major Centrica as estimating the cost of offshore capacity at £3m per megawatt, more than double what it costs to build nuclear stations.

The cost of the electricity produced is even worse than this figure indicates; wind farms' average output over time is around 30 per cent of their capacity, whereas nuclear stations typically run at 90 per cent. Thus, it costs more than six times as much to build a given level of power production using windfarms as it does using nuclear.

by advancednano on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 03:40:18 PM EST
A I noted in an earlier thread, the register misquoted the FT article, hich does not talk about "more than double" but only "more than" for the cost per MW.

And both articles fail to note that the cost per MW is only indirectly linked to the cost per MWH produced, which is the only relevant metric.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 07:44:02 PM EST
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According to the IEA chart that you quote in your letter to Obama. The price of Wind per MWH is higher than nuclear costs everywhere except the USA and that is the case projected out to 2030.
by advancednano on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:34:32 AM EST
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For Bruce: The House apparently just bumped up the mass transit funding in the stimulus by a few billion.  They're also apparently going to return to it in a green energy bill a little later this year.

Obama's approval is now at only 60%.

In Alabama.

Going to go lie down.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 03:55:16 PM EST
by das monde on Wed Jan 28th, 2009 at 07:34:18 PM EST
Very pretty but it is surely photoshopped?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:28:56 AM EST
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No, no, they have two suns in San Francisco, one for lighting bridges and one for lighting clouds.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:35:13 AM EST
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I did not know that.  Isn't that amazing?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:41:54 AM EST
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Truth be told, it's all those hearts, left on a hill, crying for their owners.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:27:35 AM EST
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