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by afew Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:25:07 AM EST

Elco B

This one's for you, buddy


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Our good friend Elco B's sister sent me an e-mail this afternoon to let us know that her brother had died in his sleep earlier this week, after a serious illness.

He often talked to me about your forum and that he was active on it... Some months ago he had told me that he wanted to come to one of your real life meetings and I said I would come with him but then the meeting was canceled for some reason; so we did not have the opportunity to meet.

I'm feeling too choked to say much, except that Elco was a strong, warm presence here and he'll be greatly missed. And that we all join in offering our condolences to his sister and family.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:30:51 AM EST
Elco B was and will be missed. I am still to stunned too to say much, except my condolences to his family.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:36:32 AM EST
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Very sad news indeed and my condolences to Elco B's family.  I hope that they can know what a valued member of our community that he has been.  He will be missed.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:43:27 AM EST
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That is just so sad. He was a good person here and I'll remember him fondly. I imagine that the meet was supposed to be Brussels. If we ever get it together there, it would be good to invite his sister.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:44:20 AM EST
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Done.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:04:52 PM EST
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That's terribly sad.  He'll be greatly missed.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:54:21 AM EST
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I am very sad. I liked a lot his humour and his kindness. His diaries about Belgium, Congo and planes were always interesting and well-written. Let her sister and family know how much we appreciated him.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:27:32 AM EST
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Oh my god, that is terrible news.  I didn't even know he was sick.

Kinda feels like the wind has just been knocked out of me.

It is probably too late to send flowers, assuming they've planned a funeral.  I wish there were something we could do...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:29:39 AM EST
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No one knew until today. Elco stopped posting some months ago. I sent a couple of e-mails to his displayed address, but obviously he was no longer following his mail.

One thing we can do is fill up this subthread with thoughts and condolences. I think Elco's sister will look in.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:02:15 PM EST
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Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:31:53 AM EST
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Here is one of his last comments on ET:

Elco B:

I met our neighbour's cat in my kitchen (window was open).....need an hour to clean the mess...

>

The struggle of man against tyranny is the struggle of memory against forgetting.(Kundera)



"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:32:16 AM EST
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A sad day - I really enjoyed his contributions. Would it be possible to reply to his sister with all our condolences? I believe that there might be comfort in knowing how many friends he had here, and our appreciation of his contributions.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:57:02 AM EST
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I hope she's reading this.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:47:19 AM EST
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Just goes to show, I'd thought there'd be plenty of time to catch up with Elco at another Brussels meet...

In memory:

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:00:10 AM EST
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This is about the size of ElcoB´s presence on ET!  Secure, steady, calm and naturally comforting.  

ElcoB, I never met you and I don´t even know your name, but your life energy was closer than many people I see and this just makes me cry.  

Your memory will help me improve myself.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 05:51:10 PM EST
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Shocked and stunned.

Always interesting conversations on here, will be greatly missed.

please forward my condolences on to his family.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:03:09 AM EST
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I was thinking very recently of Matt in nyc, who passed away more than a year ago and once again, am reminded that very real links are created on the internet between people that have never met but spend a lot of time conversing together.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:10:47 AM EST
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That's awful news.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:20:53 AM EST
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This sucks. Like Jerome, I find myself thinking of Matt. I'm still kicking myself that I didn't ever try to meet him even though we lived in the same damn city. It's too bad that Elmo never got to attend a meetup. I'll miss him.
by MarekNYC on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:48:36 AM EST
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Sad news. The best commenters on ET are passing away... (yes, I remembered Matt, too). Elco B's comments were short yet always interesting. He was always gentle. He seemed like a person with a rich life's experience, who would have many stories to tell about his experiences in the sixties, in the seventies-eighties Green movement, in his local politics - and his big family. Stories that will now remain untold.

These words inadvertedly sound like platitudes, but what do I do when I meant it all? Elco B will be missed and will be remembered, I wish his family all well.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:20:52 PM EST
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A very sad moment. I had a lot of fun reading Elco's diaries on planes, and covering the last Belgian elections with him. We were all hoping he'd return.

My condolences.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:44:33 PM EST
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That's very sad news. It's a shame he never made it to a meet.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:53:32 PM EST
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Yikes!! Sad news.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:59:47 PM EST
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Oh, my. My condolences to Elco B's family and friends.
by lychee on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:01:27 PM EST
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Very sorry to hear of this.  My best wishes to his sister and any other family.  I think its really nice that you extend an invitation to his sister.

Steve

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson

by NearlyNormal on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:24:06 PM EST
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This is terrible news. My condolences to Elco's family. He will definitely be missed.

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:14:51 PM EST
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Just back from a few days on the road to hear this sad news.  His additions will be (and have already been) sorely missed.  All the best to his surviving family and friends circle.  Damn.

Elco B, as the Mohawks say in such a time, "May you walk the road of year-long strawberries."

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 04:14:18 PM EST
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I'm so shocked and saddened by this.  Elco B will be sorely missed.  

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:29:30 PM EST
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This is very sad news - Elco B, you will be very much missed! My sincerest condolences to his sister, family and friends. Things can change so quickly...

Bob

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 03:25:38 AM EST
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Elco's sister wrote to say she has read the tributes here, and she kindly allows me to quote from her message:

Thank you very much for the link, I took a look and was impressed and moved by all these comments. Now I know I can add a lot of people to his list of friends and that comforts me in some way. The picture of that big plane made me even smile since I know how occupied he was with everything wich concerns planes.

Also thank you for the invitation for a future meet-up and perhaps I would like to come.

   Thank you again

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 06:40:36 AM EST
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Maybe you could ask her to send us a picture of him?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 07:36:35 AM EST
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and I have to say I've gotten to the point where every morning it feels like I've taken 1/4th of a tab of ecstasy.

It's amazing. The trip didn't start this way - the first few months were certainly good, but there were some dark, bleak, lonely nights in New Zealand and Australia.

But now - even the bad days are good, it doesn't matter if I'm meeting people, it doesn't matter if I'm getting laid, it doesn't matter if I did anything interesting today, it doesn't matter what I'm doing tomorrow, it doesn't matter if I have a damn thing planned for the next nine months - I am constantly happy.

Hell, if I find myself a hot travel partner my eyes will probably turn into heart shapes or something equally disturbing.

How long can this go on? Doesn't my mind have to normalize all this to some baseline state? I'm buzzing so hard at this moment I feel nauseated.

Part of the reason I'm buzzing is that I've been taking a five day Thai massage course over at Wat Pho, and getting three hours worth of massage a day from my classmates has my mind, body, and spirit firing hard on all cylinders. The class is enormous fun - lots of laughing and giggling - and as we've all gotten to know each other through the week the intimacy level is fairly high. Not quite sexual, but close, but it's mostly how wonderful touch is, and how off limits physical contact is in daily life, making this such a treat.

These are uncharted waters to say the least. It feels like I am a different person, because I am. I already don't know who that person was sitting in SFO last November 3rd. How do I go back?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:33:57 AM EST
Well, if you get three hours of Thai massage, no wonder you are high. Enjoy it while it lasts, sounds like you are not only traveling the planet, but are also on a adventures journey of the inner Universe. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:39:48 AM EST
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As Don Henley said;-

Nobody on the road,
nobody on the beach.
I feel it in the air,
the summers out of reach

Empty lake, empty streets,
the sun goes down alone.
I'm driving by your house
though i know that you not home...

And i can see you
you brown skin shining in the sun
you got your hair combed back
sunglasses on baby

and i can tell you
my love for you will still be strong
after the boy of summer have gone.

out on the road today
i saw a dead head sticker on a cadillac
a voice inside my head said don't look back
you can never look back

i thought i knew what love was
what did i know
those days are gone for ever
i should just let them go and...

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:55:40 AM EST
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MillMan:
These are uncharted waters to say the least. It feels like I am a different person, because I am. I already don't know who that person was sitting in SFO last November 3rd. How do I go back?

You don't go back, at least to that person (SFO is optional...)

That's the whole beauty of it. Never the same again.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:15:19 AM EST
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MillMan:

How long can this go on? Doesn't my mind have to normalize all this to some baseline state? I'm buzzing so hard at this moment I feel nauseated.

Part of the reason I'm buzzing is that I've been taking a five day Thai massage course over at Wat Pho, and getting three hours worth of massage a day from my classmates has my mind, body, and spirit firing hard on all cylinders. The class is enormous fun - lots of laughing and giggling - and as we've all gotten to know each other through the week the intimacy level is fairly high. Not quite sexual, but close, but it's mostly how wonderful touch is, and how off limits physical contact is in daily life, making this such a treat.

These are uncharted waters to say the least. It feels like I am a different person, because I am.

yes you certainly are, after all that demanding bodywork, plus learning to use a bunch of new muscles treating people!

i did a 10 day course there at Wat pho, and it was intense. long days, very physical, in pretty strong heat. great instruction, and as you mention, a very up vibe. that reclining buddha is something else.

i started enjoying bankok once i sussed how to get around using the river buses. fascinating city.

if that's your first massage course, i'm not surprised you're feeling psychedelicised. it's an amazing avenue of expression and communication that's opening up to you, and you will positively affect many people if you so choose.

excellent move, the more you work it, the deeper the buzz...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:39:44 PM EST
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Margot Wallström's Blog » Blog Archive » Europe is about doing
financialtools1@gmail.com Says:
December 27th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Dear Commissioner:

Part of a "To Do List" for Europe in 2009 :

1) The EU car-van-truck industry starts manufacturing hybrid-electric plug-in cars with E-85 internal combustion motors ,and they all agree to use Open Standards in all links and parts,so that Small Industry can participate, they and the consumers get a big fat Tax deduction.

2) Every country in the EU gets a multi-gigawatt farm with each of these natural and free resources : Solar,Wind ,Water Wave/Current ( where possible) and geothermal energy and the manufacturing of all these technologies stays in the EU, creating millions of new jobs, and schools train students in the basics/advanced know-how of all of them.

3) Fuel-cells for buildings gets another huge tax deduction, with natural gas,methanol,hydrogen,etc, and training starts immediately.

4) the EU embarks on a solid production line of synthetic jet fuels, from algae,seaweeds, jatropha, sugarcane,rapeseed/castor variants,etc., for commercial and military applications.

5) the EU starts implementing BROADBAND to every corner of the 27 countries, fixed and wireless, everybody and every little town gets Broadband with video-conference-phone IP services, and all trains, train stations, buses,bus stops,schools,official centers, Post Offices,Hospitals,coffee shops,every corner gets WiFi ABGN, WiMax,LTE,White Spaces and fixed with VDSL and Powerline and whatever some of you will invent with Cognitive Radios and others, all of them available for all everywhere,be for Health Care, for Education and family communications , for Trade and Commerce, for Social Events, for Small Business , for fun or for play, everywhere ... this will create millions of new jobs and new economic and technological growth.

6) The EU pushes , with a solid investment, weak spots like Organic Display Technology , new materials ,composites and polymers, new batteries, new thin-film printed electronics , new fusion technology , new "CO2 total capture" coal power plants and new geothermal pumps and systems ,etc.

7) the EU and the USA start new Dialogs and Meetings with all the tribes and groups in Pakistan-Afghanistan-India-Kashmir, all together , to find solutions for Growth Jobs and Trade and starting with the Kashmir issue, the root of the problem.

the EU puts-up a public web site where every Lobby and adviser and anyone in the Brussels - Strassbourg - Europa Capitals Political landscape does something with them : gives money , provides advice, support, loans,gifts,presents,lunches, diners, trips and any other links or assets to any elected or appointed politician and worker of the EU and all its subsidiaries, all of "it" and "them" gets posted on a public web site for all to see...total political transparency.

9) the EU Youth gets a new plan to "rent to buy" , so that they can start building their credit and savings, and every EU kid gets a chance to own " very cheap and easy " a bicycle and a moped, a laptop and a video-mobile-phone and training in their own field, the EU makes a master move to train its Youth, like no other.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:11:35 PM EST
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I've been using the river buses every day. I love em.

The class was surprisingly intense physically and emotionally. A few of the girls cried at the end because it was exactly that.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 07:22:55 AM EST
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you might think about a longer course, maybe in other forms of massage. doing my year and a half training for state license, there were many tears of revelation.

it cracks you open, all that touch...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jan 31st, 2009 at 06:47:11 PM EST
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Earlier this week I mentioned there was a bit of a firestorm on some SF discussion boards about a blog by Elizabeth Bear on avoiding racism. I was asked to turn it into a diary and I just thought I'd explain why it hasn't happened.

You know if you've ever been a witness to a car crash, you can describe it in detail but really all you're gonna end up with is some injury-porn of screaming, blood and body parts. Then there comes a time when the whole mess catches light and the flames creep towards the trapped injured person that you have to turn away. Well, it's kinda got like that.

Seriously, very wise, sincere and articulate good friends of mine are being flayed as we speak... for nothing and to no good end. What's the point ?

tho nearest someone came to making a good point in the whole farrago was

It seems to me, as an outside observer to all of this, that a lot of the rhetoric used is not designed to foster communication or spread understanding or even correct incorrect views, but simply to communicate anger and hurt, and to make the person who made the offending statement as hurt and angry as those who were offended. I'm not sure I see the ultimate usefulness in that, apart, from making the offended feel better.

What is the ultimate goal of these conversations? Persuasion, or attack? Because if it is persuasion that is desired, using mild tone and terminology is going to go a lot farther in persuading your opponent that they are wrong.

Practically speaking, if you want to persuade a white person that they are being racist or have said something racist, you'll make a lot more progress by not using terminology that you know is going to make them lose their minds.

"Has anybody seen this work in the wild?" Yes, I have--often.

On the other hand, if all you are interested in doing is attacking--and god knows I understand the joy of really unloading on someone who deserves it--then carry on.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:39:34 AM EST
Jay Smooth more or less sums it up;-



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:17:39 AM EST
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Phylis Schlafly entertains us with her views;-

For nearly two hours, she belittled the feminist movement as "teaching women to be victims," decried intellectual men as "liberal slobs" and argued that feminism "is incompatible with marriage and motherhood."

...Schlafly asserted women should not be permitted to do jobs traditionally held by men, such as firefighter, soldier or construction worker, because of their "inherent physical inferiority."

"Women in combat are a hazard to other people around them," she said. "They aren't tall enough to see out of the trucks, they're not strong enough to carry their buddy off the battlefield if he's wounded, and they can't bark out orders loudly enough for everyone to hear."

At one point, Schlafly also contended that married women cannot be sexually assaulted by their husbands.

"By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape," she said.

 

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:02:05 AM EST
Come on over to Washington, Phylis.  I'll introduce you to my neighbor, who's a female soldier, and who'd probably be quite happy to break you in half.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:15:11 AM EST
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I love this Coulter-logic from social conservative women that says all women are incapable of intellectual or logical arguments so therefore everything she says is rubbish. It just disables derision before you start.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:22:14 AM EST
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Schlafly  and her BFF Patrick Buchanan are the rear guard of the Paleo-Cons.  They can make a lot of noise on Television but their practical political influence - and power - is quite limited.  


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:42:48 AM EST
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One of her sons is also the founder of Conservapedia, which is very likely the best website ever to evolve from parchment...uh, I meant "to be intelligently designed".

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:21:54 PM EST
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That site is a true miracle of idiocy, I highly recommend it to all Europeans.  Understand that intelligent, capable Americans are up against this kind of foe on a permanent basis and allow that knowledge to uplift your spirit because surely, if we are up to that challenge, we can handle these other messes, too.
by paving on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:10:20 PM EST
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Independent - Matthew Norman - Let's save our anger for real scandals

Times of great crisis are also times of great opportunity, because only then is the public more terrified of the status quo than of seismic change. It happened in the States under FDR, and will happen again under Obama. If ever there was a moment when the British people, for all our transcendent apathy, were ready to embrace a radical reconstruction of this hideous apology for a democratic system, that moment is upon us now.

We are an ever-atrophying post-imperial power in grave need not of clinging to the façade of global relevance offered by a permanent seat on the Security Council and the renewal of Trident, but of renewal itself; and primed by economic petrifaction and lingering disgust over that war to accept some brutal truths about how we have sunk so low, and how we might begin to rise again




keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:09:25 AM EST
rick Warren, homo-hate extraordinaire, runs the "Saddleback" church. Saddleback ? Saddleback !!?? Now that's a word that needs defining;-

"Saddlebacking: the phenomenon of Christian teens engaging in unprotected anal sex in order to preserve their virginities."

Usage : After attending the Purity Ball, Heather and Bill saddlebacked all night because she's saving herself for marriage.

Here's why this definition is perfect: Saddlebacking, like barebacking, involves one person riding up on another's backside. But in this case, it's not the bare-naked cock-in-ass that's the most important feature of the ride, but the fact that the person being ridden has been saddled - thanks to the efforts of the Rick Warrens of this world - with religious hang-ups and serious misconceptions about sex. Like the barebacker who casually tosses away his health - or his partner's health - because he believes, quite erroneously, that "risky = sexy," the saddlebacker offers up her ass because she believes, quite erroneously, that she can get fucked in the ass - vigorously, religiously - and still be considered a virgin on her wedding night.

I've set up a website - www.saddlebacking.com - to popularize the new definition. (Get to work, Google bombers!) Spread the URL far and wide, please, and let's get this term into common usage as quickly as possible.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:28:41 AM EST
For Drew:

Remember our recent conversation about snow days and my suspicion Obama would have no tolerance for them?  I was right!!!

Sun Times:  Obama: Toughen up, D.C.

BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Washington Bureau Chief
WASHINGTON -- Toughen up, Washington. That's the word from President Obama.

With much of the city shut down in an ice storm Wednesday, Obama gently chastised his daughters' school -- and others in the area -- for taking a snow day. Chicago Public

Schools have not had a snow day since 1999.
Barack Obama urged Washington, D.C. residents to get some "flinty Chicago toughness" after snow forced the closings of schools and offices in the nation's capital.
(AP)
"As my children pointed out, in Chicago, school is never canceled. In fact, my 7-year-old pointed out that you'd go outside for recess in weather like this. You wouldn't even stay indoors. So it's -- I don't know. We're going to have to try to apply some flinty Chicago toughness to this town," Obama said.

Washington public schools opened two hours late, but Sidwell Friends, the school Malia and Sasha attend, shut its doors, as did other schools in the suburbs.

Obama was so taken with the closure that he brought it up at a meeting:

"My children's school was canceled today because of what? ... Some -- some ice?"

more, from Politico:

Egged on by laughter from aides, reporters and corporate executives, Obama pushed ahead: "As my children pointed out: In Chicago, school is never canceled," he said. "In fact, my 7-year-old pointed out that you'd go outside for recess." There was more laughter. "You wouldn't even stay indoors."

In fact, while the private Sidwell Friends School that Malia, 10, and Sasha, 7, attend was closed for the day, D.C. public schools opened two hours late. But that didn't stop Obama, who grew up in Hawaii, from piling it on.

"We're going to have to try to apply some flinty Chicago toughness to this," he said. "I'm saying, when it comes to the weather, folks in Washington don't seem to be able to handle things."

Ha Ha Ha!!!  I love it...

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:43:39 AM EST
No fair. It's like every time the UK comes to a halt cos of snow and people say "huh, it doesn't seem to bother Sweden".

If you see a hundred feet of snow each and every winter the of course you're gonna be prepared and have the systems to deal with it. But if you only see it once every ten years, you're just not gonna have the same preparedness or equipment or anything.

DC has my sympathies on this.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:53:21 AM EST
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It was only three inches of accumulation.  The main roads were salted and worked fine (even the Beltway was running smoothly), and the buses and trains ran on schedule.  We didn't even get a delayed start from the Office of Personnel Management.

Washingtonians are just wimps.

I might be able to understand people in southern Maryland or the southern exurbs in Virginia not coming in, but they chose to live out in the middle of nowhere.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:27:56 AM EST
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3 inches is enough for most of the UK to grind to a halt and to have nothing but snow chaos in the news headlines for at least 3 days after.

When I see images of the ice storms that the US gets it is just astonishing to compare that to a bit of sleet causing the world to stop on it's axis when the UK is involved.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:38:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It actually wound up working out better than if we'd only had an inch or two.  At three or four inches (we had a little more than other in my neighborhood), it's fairly easy to walk on, and it won't hurt too badly if you fall.  But with only an inch or two, it would've been nothing but slush.

We had an ice storm, but it was certainly nothing like what you'd get out in Missouri or Iowa.  More than anything, it seemed to just make it a pain to scrape car windows.  Less impact on the actual roads, and by 8AM it was breaking up easily.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:51:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I said the other day that he'd say something like this, and I don't disagree with him.  DCers are a bunch of pansies.  They close the schools for anything here.  Even for heavy rain.  They don't even close the schools for tropical storms in Florida.

That said, POTUS doesn't have to deal with these people.  The sane amongst us have to listen to non-stop whining, and, while I'm sure it's awful having to listen to Biden bang on about firefighters and Scranton and all that crap, it doesn't stack up.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:02:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
People in Chicago laugh in everyone's general direction when it comes to weather.  I like the bigger message that Obama is sending.
by paving on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 09:12:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A report on newspapers using the internet in 1981

h/t The Stormy Present

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:48:49 AM EST
I think Stormy got it from me.  I got it from DKos.  Dkos got it from Georgia10.  I don't know where Georgia found it.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:51:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
She doesn't live far from you, nip round and ask her.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 10:54:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
she's missed, too!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:07:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
she reckons her crazy work load will ease soon-ish (ie within a fortnight) and she hopes to return on a more regular basis.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:22:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I know.  It's very odd that I've never met her.  She keeps popping up on facebook as someone I should know too.  And they are right.  I should.  But I don't.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:28:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yet more sad news I fear, John Martyn has died.



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:07:27 AM EST
Was just looking for something to post myself on the same subject.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:18:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's very sad too - although he certainly had a good run.

I acquired a pile of JM CDs last year. I have a handful of CDs that I've never gotten past the first minute of because they're too much. 'And' was one of them - the vocals are like nothing I've ever heard before.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:00:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
he was a fine singer-songwriter. his LP with Beverley, his then-wife, very early in his career, was a moving, tender soundtrack to much of my late adolescence.

he never got the recognition he deserved, i reckon. most people were tracking jansch and renbourn, who were coming on stronger at the time.

thanks john, your music was enthralling, and you played a fine guitar...

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:57:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So...  We're doing this nationwide conversion to digital TV and everyone has to upgrade their TV to digital.  Most people are getting cable or buying new HD TV's.  I don't watch enough TV to justify spending a lot of money on cable, and my TV is newish and works perfectly well, so I can't bring myself to buy a new one.  So I got a converter box for the one I have.  (I was going to ditch the TV altogether, but it just seemed safe to have the option of TV receptions always available, in case of weird emergencies and such.)

So I was feeling like a tool for getting this stupid converter box and buying into this huge swindle.  I could not possibly care less that the picture is better.  And I didn't even care that I would get many more channels.  TV is just not a big part of my life, and I resent being forced to care about it.  So I was all surly and resentful as I hooked the damned thing up.  Bitter, even.  Then I flipped through the now 8 public television channels I get, and ...  OMG ...  I get Russia Today!!!  Russia Today, in my home, for free.  In fact, I get all kinds of international broadcasts...  But Russia Today!  Cheezy, unabashedly pro-Russia propaganda being beamed into my apartment everyday!  It's like heaven...   I mean, it is very difficult to live in a country where absolutely everything broadcast about Russia is negative.  Gregory Pfeiffer's 2 minute hate on Morning Edition on NPR used to come on at the same moment my alarm went off.  I set my alarm to go off earlier, and ... get this, now the 2 minute hate comes on at the new time my alarm goes off.  I will forever wake up to the voice of that tool.  

Anyway, I lived for the day Russian propaganda would be beamed into the homes of all Americans.  I feel like celebrating.

Some of last night's highlight's:

Putin speaking at Davos, lecturing Western countries on ...  the evils of nationalization.  Oh Snap!   HAHAHA!!!  His sense of humour is truly unmatched.  And you could just tell by the look in his eyes he'd lived for this day.  

Also, there were a bunch of European leaders admitting that maybe they had been precipitous in assigning all the blame to Russia when the Ossetian conflict began last year.   There was some Russian diplomat saying he hoped the Europeans had learned how childish and irresponsible logic like "Georgia is our friend so they are right.  Russia is our enemy so they are wrong." is when dealing with international relations.  

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:22:16 AM EST
That's excellent, poemless.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:24:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't know, If there's a constant stream of Russian TV in the Maisonne Poemless, we'll never get any more Russian diaries.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:29:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I feel bad for my boyfriend.  There is no way he can compete with VVP.  :(

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:44:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Now you have Russian TV have you even noticed if he's still there? ;)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:51:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Did you watch the Q&A bit following Putin's speech? This is what the register have to say about it:
Vladimir Putin bitchslaps Dell-boy * Channel Register

Michael Dell might think twice about dishing out a sales pitch to a world leader in the future after Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin very publicly dissed his patronising offer of help.

The founder of computer giant Dell attended the opening ceremony of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland yesterday. Putin had just delivered a comprehensive 40-minute speech at the show, which was followed by a Q&A session.

After praising the country's technical deftness, Dell-boy asked the ex-KGB agent: "How can we as an IT sector help you broaden the economy as you move out of a crisis and take advantage of that great scientific talent that you have?"

Putin immediately snapped back at Dell's apparently naïve sales patter.

"We don't need any help," he barked. "We are not invalids. We don't have limited capacity. Pensioners should be helped, developing countries should be helped."


And the relevant video. The expression in Putins face, about 1mn in, right before he responds is priceless.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:01:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just saw the end of today's demonstration in Paris, which finishes near to where I work. Lots of people demonstrating today...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:27:20 AM EST
The demonstration is still not over... demonstrators  have been arriving for two and a half hours...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:51:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I missed this story. Is this a demonstration linked to the strike?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:52:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, it is.

Lots of demonstrators : the last ones were leaving Porte Saint Denis at 8pm...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:48:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
UK Progressive » Business » Wayne's World of Auto Gold
Next to news that Ford lost almost $6 billion dollars in the 4th quarter, was South Florida based retailer AutoNation. Their 4th Quarter net was up 30% but sales were down 34%. How they earn more money on less sales in a down market is a testament to successful business modelling and sheer vision. AutoNation is the brainchild of South Florida's Wayne Huizenga.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:34:43 AM EST
Yes, but I'm still angry at Huizenga for selling the Dolphins.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:58:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My brother is reporting that California (LA and SF) is going to get mass transit sky pods.  I have never heard of this.  Do you have this in Europe?  It's far out!



Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.

by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:01:55 PM EST
Is this a joke? It looks expensive and inaccessible.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:08:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Mass transit, without any of its advantages.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:11:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No.  Not a joke.

Come, my friends, 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
by poemless on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:18:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Looks like a scam out of The Simpsons.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:25:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That's what I was thinking of.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:32:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
http://schwebebahn.com/

The Schwebebahn monorail was build over 100 years ago. While tourists love to ride the Schwebebahn, this monorail is a serious means of public transportation; moving well over 20 Million passengers per year.
The Schwebebahn monorail is all electric, very safe, economic and definitely cool especially for something built over 100 years ago!
The Schwebebahn is located in the German city of Wuppertal ( The German San Francisco ) in the hill country of West Germany near Cologne and the Rhein river. Nearly 1,000 years old, this historic city is home to one of the most unusual public transportation systems in the world. The Schwebebahn is definitely something you have to see and experience !
by PeWi on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:12:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The strange stuff isn't overhead monorail, but point-to-point, maglev, personal...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:17:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
yeah, old internet mistake - read the note, and not the link...
by PeWi on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:22:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Never mind the mistakes, just keep putting www.eurotrib.com into your Internet appliance and come and see us more often, PeWi!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:31:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
as a side note. Wuppertal is the German SF as it has very steep streets, but that is where the comparison ends. The Schwebebahn works as it runs along the centre of the city above the open river. There is only one main road (parallel to the river) that goes along the valley bed. So all commuter traffic can take place above the river. There is no Underground possible (to stoney) They used to have a tram but gave that up in the eighties. So the Schwebebahn is indeed very useful, as it fits the profile of the town... If it were transferable I don;t know...
by PeWi on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:20:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What I don't get is the point of overhang monorail rather than simply rails on bridge (besides the uniqueness factor)... How is the wagon evacuated in case of a breakdown ??

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:24:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What I don't get is the point of overhang monorail rather than simply rails on bridge

Material use, visual obstruction, I am guessing.

How is the wagon evacuated in case of a breakdown ??

Firefighters' ladders and lifts. Sadly, there was an actual example at the Wuppertal Schwebebahn just half a year ago.

(No one died in this, but the driver of the mobile crane that caused the accident by slicing up the train was seriously hurt.)




*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:08:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
DoDo gets the Total Instant Rail Information Award™

Once again!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:17:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
On the other hand, if you're an elephant you can just jump, as shown in this picture

Apparently, she wasn't seriously hurt.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:56:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This is always the problem with elephants in public transport.

Link ? ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:13:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The picture comes from here but has no information besides what is in the picture. Wikipedia has an account in English.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:39:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought it was a fake... But here's a clearer picture:

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:57:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I couldn't make up my mind either. The story is genuine, but I'm a bit suspicious of the fact that someone just happened to have a colour camera (in 1950) ready at just the right moment.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 04:00:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, painting B&W postcars was once a great industry, even after WWII (the older sister of one of my grandmothers found such an employment in Romania even in the sixties), but I'm certain both "photos" are montages.

I myself read of the story only two hours ago on the German wiki. Following Wiki links, one finds he confirmation that it's a montage as all reporters were in the train. This pre-train-ride photo and below it the post-jump photo from the train however seem to be genuine:




*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 04:39:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Don't know about montages. But they do look very hand-tinted - which was once a popular pastime when colour film was hard to find.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 07:20:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Having spent some of the past years in and around W'Tal, coupla points come to mind.  (the name means valley of the Wupper river)
  •  The Schwebebahn is really fun to ride, but also very useful for navigating the city.  There are times during the city's festivals that the Schwebebahn is free, connecting all the live stages and food booths, and is a party unto itself.
  •  Tuffi's safe fall is part of W'Tal's beloved history.  I can't comment if the photo is real (doubt), but the story is and continues.  i seem to remember (which is different from remembering) a W'Tal humor mag in the past few years with a comic of Tuffi as Bin Laden.
  •  Wuppertal is the birthplace of Friedrich Engels, and today you can stay at the very beautiful Art Fabrik (art factory) which is carved out of the old Engels family factory, and where artist studios share a glass wall where you're able to look into the still working factory.
  •  Wuppertal may have steep hills like San Francisco, but there is no question that Bremen is the Frisco of Deutschland.  Hell, when Engels dropped out of high school in Barmen (part of W'Tal) he went to work in Bremen.
  •  That doesn't mean W'Tal isn't cool, as personified by the slinky soul chanteuse of W'Tal, Iris Panknin , and the great band of her man and German guitar hero Uwe Sandfort.  They'll play at the Musical Box in Remscheid, where i used to DJ, 28 Feb.
  •  You can walk from Remscheid to Wuppertal in a day, passing by the oldest industrial sites in continental Europe, where the confluence of water power and raw materials made the first steel industry, and the reason why neighboring cities Remscheid and Solingen are world famous for producing the best industrial(R) and consumer(S) cutting tools and knives.
  •  The Schwebebahn really schwebes side to side as you ride.



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 05:01:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Some history:
Birth of the word Pack y derm

How it all began in Cologne

construction

circus director leading Tuffi out


"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 05:23:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It is also a lone example.

You should watch that Simpsons episode -- it's not the monorail concept itself, but the US phenomenon that reference-lacking developers with supposed cutting-edge but untested future technologies have (had) quite a chance to get the imagination and money of city councils and local voters, more so than tested solutions actually worth the money. Many of these pie-in-the-sky projects were monorails.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:59:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There is one of those in Chiba city, Japan as well.  Boom-era boondoggle.  It's just insane to build something that's not inter-operable in a country with such incredibly high rail density as Japan, particularly less than 50km. out from Tokyo.
by Zwackus on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 05:02:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There are no plans to build these in either LA or SF, although there are passionate advocates of this in both cities. They used to show up to my high speed rail blog last year and argue the virtues of personal rapid transit (PRT) and why it was so much better than our silly dreams of some loser steel wheel high speed train.

LA and SF are both proceeding with light rail and subway projects, as well as the state-led high speed rail project to connect the two. But no, not this.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 07:26:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who is sponsoring these guys? They had money for nice graphics.

Business, and Startups, in Second Life - BusinessWeek

While various elements of the technology have been tested in different projects, ceo Chris Perkins knew a real-world prototype was out of the question. So Perkins turned to the computer science department at the University of California at Irvine. Associate Professor Cristina Lopes suggested modeling the design in Second Life on an island owned by her department. "This captured our imagination," says Perkins. "Here's a tool in cyberspace where we could simulate an engineered system and see if it works."


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 03:44:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Uhn- they're going to try and sell a model from Second Life?

Good luck with that. That's the engineering equivalent of trying to sell a kid's drawing done in big, bold crayon as an official blueprint.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 06:42:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah! Don't be so negative. We must be bold with innovation, etc, as long as it happens in a spontaneous market context and thinks outside the box while diversifying the consumer base in key demographics.  Recently, for example, I invented a bold new energy source that is completely pollution and fuel free. The drawings were of a very crude form. But now I can present the updated and improved engineering design model. In 3d!
The blocks are 6 and 9 unit weights.


I am looking for investors in this great new technology. I am guessing that with very few millions we can make real progress towards beginning the development of a prototype. Contact me to get in on the ground floor with the innovation that will revolutionize energy technology.

by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 09:58:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The best thing is that it is lo-tech. 9 million bicycles in Beijing means several hundred thousand bike workshops equipped to produce your invention! Although Chinese characters may not work quite so well.... 8-(

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 10:16:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I want one!

Although there is a risk: without momentum, the device could stall when both blocks are in a horizontal position (one at the top and the other at the bottom). To solve this problem, I think you should add a flywheel.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:10:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Just discovered that theres an offline gmail client available (and it's no longer a beta)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 12:24:10 PM EST
If you try it, let us know what you think.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 01:33:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
well it works quite well, after the initial hour while it downloads all mail and attatchments.(if you have more than 10,000 it will split them up into blocks, and drag the next 10,000 down after a week) and has allowed me to search through for a specific picture attatchment that I knew id recieved, but didn't have a clue when.

The one irritating thing with it, is it dosn't support adding attatchments to offline emails yet (If you try it does give you a mesage saying that they know, and they are working on it) so you do have to remember to save them rather than send them if you wish to do so.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 06:43:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
My molar extraction this afternoon was minor. What I hate is the frozen mouth - I'm only just starting to get my mouth round some words. And no chewing till tomorrow - I have to find some soup, or make some.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 01:36:45 PM EST
Good hunting.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 02:55:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not too hot, mind, the soup.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:18:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Cool potato soup spiced with paprika.

Now to wait for the tooth fairy....

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:45:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm afraid the tooth fairy is a bit short of funding with the current credit crunch. The Ivory Business isn't what it was.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 03:51:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was hoping for a tickle....

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 04:00:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah payment in kind.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 04:51:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The result of the "culinary Olympics" is in:

http://www.olympiade-der-koeche.de/en/Competitions__10.html?PHPSESSID=qav9ic3otogqtbj9j2jrm2vk16

US came in #6 which is the highest ever for the country.  The guy started as a dishwasher at the famous "French Laundry" in Napa, California.  

by eloise (Eloise) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 05:21:48 PM EST
by eloise (Eloise) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 05:39:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
[ET Moderation Technology™]

In the future, please avoid lazy linking with such long links. (On smaller screens and older browsers, it blows up the page.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 03:15:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You might find this section of the New User Guide useful:

How Do I Embed A Link?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 04:13:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi, Eloise! You forgot to mention that the Bocuse d'or took place in Lyon! ;-)
It is named after Paul Bocuse, a great chef from Lyon (a bit megalomaniac, but a great teacher/mentor). Here is his website

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 04:15:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Welcome to ET, eloise!  I appreciate this, so don't get discouraged by the glitch reports and keep on posting!

Believe it or not, some of us here, are imperfect. (;

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 04:50:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

BBC NEWS | Scotland | South of Scotland | Otter tours Scotland in postbag

A postman who rescued a baby otter on a Scottish roadside took her on a 220-mile tour in his mailbag.


"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 08:48:36 PM EST
Here is a series of pictures taken after an ice storm in Missouri.

by das monde on Thu Jan 29th, 2009 at 11:20:19 PM EST
lol...who needs electricity anyway?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 07:30:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Thank you all so much for your kind words about Elco B.
He is my godfather and I miss him massively.
He mentioned this forum quite a couple of times and invited me to join, which I never did..
Reading these posts gave me a lot strength. He was indeed a very warm and a very intelligent, gifted  person, but also very closed up in his feelings. I know he used the internet as an alternative outlet. Thanks again for your condolences.

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." (Einstein)
by B girl on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:30:37 AM EST
Welcome to ET B girl and for sharing about your your godfather. He was a very private person here too and still his warm and generous person came through.

Hope you will stay around and share with us more. :-)

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 11:47:01 AM EST
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Hello, B girl, happy to see you here. Your godfather was, yes, personally discreet, but a very positive force here.

Thanks for letting us know that our comments may have been of some comfort to you at this distressing time. We hope you'll enjoy it here and will stay with us, so a big welcome.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 12:34:16 PM EST
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I´m also glad that this helps your family, because ElcoB really touched us and this community will miss him.  I hope you will join us and feel at home.

Thanks again.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Jan 30th, 2009 at 05:38:52 PM EST
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Thank you all so much.
Due to work duties I have but little time to be very active on internet fora, but I do am very interested in the topics here displayed.

Elco B's funeral has passed. It was a simple but very tuching ceremony. Here is his photograph from the last time I have seen him.

[IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/11agzs9.jpg[/IMG]

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." (Einstein)

by B girl on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 06:40:22 AM EST
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 06:42:24 AM EST
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He will be missed...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:13:31 AM EST
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Sorry, html didn't work so I tried IMG but that
didn' t work either..
thx

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." (Einstein)
by B girl on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 06:47:29 AM EST


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