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Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:24:36 AM EST

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Let's get this show on the road, and such.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:26:40 AM EST
I'm only just off the road, I have to get back to it?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:27:47 PM EST
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any particular road? or do you just want us out on the street with the laptop?

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:32:01 AM EST
Are you kidding, it's -3° here!
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:36:44 AM EST
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well its no warmer here, -1 when the sun was up

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 12:01:51 PM EST
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Way too cold here too. I've never understood the attractions of cold weather.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 01:28:52 PM EST
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well snow is fun for the first ten minutes, then its best from behind several sheets of glass.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:09:27 PM EST
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Inselaffen...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:13:02 PM EST
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Doesn't that also depend on what's in the glass?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:15:55 PM EST
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well it has to have slept in oak barrels for at least 12 years.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:30:03 PM EST
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So what? ;-)



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:12:22 PM EST
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Well, forget the road, but the show must go on.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:47:23 AM EST
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so what act are you putting on?

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 12:12:09 PM EST
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rockin' Spock in the Tardis



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 11:45:08 AM EST
That's great :)
by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 01:36:06 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Entertainment | New Doctor actor is youngest ever

Matt Smith has been named as the actor who will take over from David Tennant in Doctor Who - making him the youngest actor to take on the role.

At 26, Smith is three years younger than Peter Davison when he signed up to play the fifth Doctor in 1981.

Smith will first appear on TV screens as the 11th Doctor in 2010.

He was cast over Christmas and will begin filming for the fifth series of Doctor Who in the summer. Tennant is filming four specials in 2009



Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:42:56 PM EST
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What do you make of him?  I vaguely recognise him but don't know his work really.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:43:50 PM EST
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well Im sure he'll grow on us. not really seen him in anything as far as I know. (but then the only thing I'd seen Tennant in before was Rab C Nesbit)

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:46:34 PM EST
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The interview snippets with him on the show were profoundly depressing. Shallow, chinless wonder with an unattractive London accent. Let's just hope he really is a good actor...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:52:15 PM EST
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I do have a friend who thinks we're flying through the complete history of the earlier series and this one coming up will be the Peter Davidson equivalent, and the next and last will be a Silvester McCoy equivalent to finally kill the franchise off.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:57:13 PM EST
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I don't want David Tennant to gooooooo.
* wail *

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:10:21 PM EST
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Yes, but a lot of people felt that the Doctor persona of Peter Davidson and Sylvester McCoy were deliberately created to kill off Dr who. Who was hated by the BBC, really really hated. They were embarrassed by the production values, scornful of the outside locations. But most particularly they were completely contemptuous of the people who watched it.

It was only resurrected cos the back episodes were making a fortune on DVD and they saw it as a cash cow, but there was still tremendous resistance by BBC Drama, which is why it's now the exclusive property of BBC Wales.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:15:26 PM EST
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The Colin Baker persona also had some issues...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:21:38 PM EST
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Of course, I should 'fess up, I had a soft spot for some of the darker musings of the Sylvester McCoy Doctor...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:25:54 PM EST
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The Long Tail - Wired Blogs
Guest post: Acting as a non-monetary economy

Adam Gurri wrote in with this excellent observation:

"When I think of something that is so abundant as to be available for free, I think of acting.

It's no secret that are are more actors in New York than there are productions to put them in.  Economics helps us understand the consequences of this to a certain extent; obviously a gigantic supply will result in lower wages per actor.  What interests me, however, is how this works in practice.  People think that a gigantic sector of a specific workforce could not possibly work for free, because they need to feed themselves and pay their bills, and so forth.

The thing about acting is that the labor force (actors) actually value the ability to do work in that field that they are willing to take on work for nothing and take on other jobs as a sort of cross-subsidy.  There is a sort of demand for employment in theater, which makes competition among actors so fierce as to actually drive down wages (at time of entry at least) to zero or near zero.

There is a parallel between this old story and what's going on in the content industries today, I think.  It used to be that professional economists, physicists, statisticians, historians, and software programmers were too busy doing their jobs to write about it for the general public.  As a result, newspaper and magazine writers--the majority of whom had no technical training or experience in these areas--none the less had a comparative advantage when it came to writing about these topics for broader audiences.

Today, the cost of writing on a blog that is out in the public to be seen by anyone interested in it is nearly nothing.  Russ Roberts can blog about economics, Google employees can blog about their projects, and so on.  The internet has made it possible for the content industries to look more like the acting industry: people giving away content for free because they enjoy it, while making money with a paying job."

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 12:22:40 PM EST
That's very apt, and applies to web software as well as web content.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:08:04 PM EST
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Time for another of Sven's "what is work?" diaries?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:19:19 PM EST
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Haven't seen any report in English language media: The official census figures for the French population were published yesterday:

  • By the end of 2006 (so two years ago), the official population figure in France stood at 63,185,925 people, a little short of the previous estimate of 64+ millions - still the second largest European population after Germany. A new census on January 15 and results should be available early next year.

  • Population increases have been strongest in Southern and Atlantic coast regions, also in the Rhone-Alpes (including Lyon & Grenoble) and Paris regions. Northern and Northeastern regions have grown much less; one region - Champagne-Ardennes- has even registered a population decrease.

  • Since 2000, the population average annual increase rate is slightly higher than during the 1990's.

  • The main cause to the population increase is a higher fertility rate: French women have now 2 children on average, making France the only country in Europe to come anywhere close to the US figure (2.1 children per woman).

One interesting point: the number of children seem to be rather well distributed among women of different ethnic groups. Even our own Justice Minister is happily contributing. The availability and affordability of child care and kindergarten are probably playing a big role, allowing women to have children without stopping their work life.

This will do little to stop the recurrent phantasms of Eurabia - a French (and European) population whose increase is only due to runaway immigration with Arab and African people "breeding like rabbits".

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:35:42 PM EST
You think mere facts will stop nonsense like that ? After all, it's not like facts stopped them in the past.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:11:27 PM EST
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Yep, just like this line from Dilbert describing management types as "totally impervious to logic -- and coffee."

Anyway, as noted by E.Todd, this "blame the darkies" rhetoric that was one of the subtle subtexts of N.Sarkozy's campaign, hasn't really got much traction in the French population, at least in the youngest and poorest (often the same) part: not too many financiers and other Ponzi pyramid peddlers in the derelict suburbs around the French cities.

In the longer run, I wonder what the effects of this French "demographic exception" will be: France seems to be the only EU country close to the replacement rate...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 05:16:04 PM EST
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Alright, I can take or leave much of the city, but I'm definitely loving Greenwich Village.  I really must travel more.

Lotta good local brews, if you're ever in NYC, Helen.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 02:41:03 PM EST
I'm sure it'd be fun, but I want the DHS and the attitudes that made the AirTrans thing possible long gone before I risk attempting to enter the US.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:09:17 PM EST
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Have you checked the Gotham Imbiber ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:10:17 PM EST
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Yep.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 04:16:04 PM EST
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It's cryin' time again:

Deutschlands Superreiche - Ein Krisenminus von 30 Prozent - Finanzen - sueddeutsche.deGermany's superrich down 30 percent in crisis - Finance
Joachim Paul Schäfer, einer der dienstältesten Vermögensbetreuer für reiche Privatleute, schätzt die Verluste der reichsten deutschen Familien seit Sommer 2007 auf "durchschnittlich 30 Prozent", wie die WirtschaftsWoche berichtet.Joachim Paul Schäfer, one of the most experienced asset managers for high-net-worth individuals, estimates the losses of Germany's richest families at "an average of 30 percent" since summer 2007, Wirtschaftswoche reports.
Allein mit ihren börsennotierten Großbeteiligungen hätten die 20 reichsten deutschen Familien in der Krise rund 40 Milliarden Euro verloren.Germany's 20 richest families lost around 40 billion euros on their major shareholdings in listed companies alone.
"Damit ist schon jetzt klar, dass die aktuelle Krise viel tiefere Wunden in großen Familienvermögen hinterlassen wird, als die letzten vier, fünf Rezessionen zusammen", sagte Schäfer dem Magazin und fügte hinzu: "Manche seit Generationen gewachsenen Vermögen sind ähnlich bedroht wie zuletzt in der Hyperinflation der 20er Jahre oder in der Depression.""Thus it is already clear that the current crisis is leaving much deeper wounds in large family fortunes than the last four, five recessions put together," Schäfer told the magazine and added, "Some fortunes that have grown over generations are threatened in a manner not seen since the hyperinflation of the 1920s or the depression."

Does anyone want to join me in taking up a collection?

(Seriously - if this site had an obscenity policy this post would be way out of bounds.)

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:19:31 PM EST
And with that, good night.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:24:44 PM EST
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I'm peeling an onion in order to express the appropriate emotion as I type

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 03:29:36 PM EST
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I can hear you laughing from here.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 09:08:38 PM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 05:10:56 PM EST
Am I the only one to hear an unintentional word play in "every tackle box should have a wonder boner"?

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 05:56:15 PM EST
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The whole thing is dripping with unintended double entendre, both verbal and visual ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 05:59:38 PM EST
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On second thoughts, is it really unintended? There's the insinuation that boning fish is not quite a man's job but, lo and behold! the improbable volunteer turns out to have a wonder b.......

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.
by Vagulus on Sat Jan 3rd, 2009 at 06:11:14 PM EST
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I did a bit of googling and apparently the ad was shown frequently a few years ago on late night TV in the States. I would presume that it thus might have preceded the spread of the term 'boner' in impolite society - especially for the huntin' and fishin' crowd.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 at 06:02:29 AM EST
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I should think it's the other way round, as the word is quite old and usual.

Merrian-Webster dictionary

You're clearly a dangerous pinko commie pragmatist.

by Vagulus on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 at 07:46:46 AM EST
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Being in the dictionary and being understood in that meaning by most of the population are two different things ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 at 09:09:20 AM EST
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That's more likely to be true of learned vocabulary, whereas colloquialisms only get into the dictionaries once they are in general use.

I learned "boner" (= erection) from American friends in the late '60s, and the Online Etymological Dictionary bears this out:

Online Etymology Dictionary

boner
"blunder," 1912, baseball slang, probably from bonehead "stupid person" (1908). Meaning "erect penis" is 1950s, from earlier bone-on (1940s), probably a variation (with connection notion of "hardness") of hard-on (1893).

(PS do you remember "on the horn"?)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 at 11:54:27 AM EST
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I mean the expression, not... Well, you know what I mean.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 at 11:57:02 AM EST
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Wow - that's a blast from the past, Haven't heard it in yonks.

It is imo possible to have words in 'common' usage that never enter the vocabulary of certain groups in society. There are plenty of gay terms in the dictionary that would never penetrate the US Bible Belt because the whole subject is so outré. Plenty of drug terms too. An entry in the dictionary certainly means that some people use the term, but not all. There are also many words with multiple definitions where one group uses only one of the definitions. 'Fag' as an example, between the US and UK.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 4th, 2009 at 12:43:48 PM EST
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