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by In Wales
Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:27:38 AM EST

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Krugman joins in with the general disappointment about the appointment of sanjay Gupta as Surgeon general. sorry it's a full quote, but it's a very hsort note and the point of his objection requires most of the writing.

NYT - Krugman - The trouble with Sanjay Gupta

So apparently Obama plans to appoint CNN's Sanjay Gupta as Surgeon General. I don't have a problem with Gupta's qualifications. But I do remember his mugging of Michael Moore over Sicko. You don't have to like Moore or his film; but Gupta specifically claimed that Moore "fudged his facts", when the truth was that on every one of the allegedly fudged facts, Moore was actually right and CNN was wrong.

What bothered me about the incident was that it was what Digby would call Village behavior: Moore is an outsider, he's uncouth, so he gets smeared as unreliable even though he actually got it right. It's sort of a minor-league version of the way people who pointed out in real time that Bush was misleading us into war are to this day considered less "serious" than people who waited until it was fashionable to reach that conclusion. And appointing Gupta now, although it's a small thing, is just another example of the lack of accountability that always seems to be the rule when you get things wrong in a socially acceptable way.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:35:03 AM EST
Gupta is a definite Villager.

Fortunately, the SG is basically a nothing position that we could really do without.  To put it in some perspective, he reports to Daschle's assistant.

It comes with some perks.  SG's are known for being allowed to say crazy shit.  And you get to write the warning labels on cigarettes and alcohol, and lecture the whole country about why we all need to exercise more.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:56:02 AM EST
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Yes, if SG were an actual job with some kind of responsibility then this would be gross but essentially he's the govt's "health" spokesperson.  In that sense Gupta, a TV-guy who is already well known and is credible in the eyes of "Americans" is kind of a good pick.

Gupta is the friendly face that will be telling you to get off your fat ass, eat better and how to get your new health care.

by paving on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:54:33 PM EST
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Would be nice if he apologized to Micheal before he has to apologize at a presser.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:19:16 PM EST
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CH - I just noticed that Ryanair will do a ridiculously cheap Tampere-Bremen flight until end of March. Like  BLT cheap. Any chance that you could welcome a fellow brother of the Caol Cult for a visit? I need to pick your brains on something long term.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:48:35 PM EST
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I don't know where in Africa Tampere is, but even if Tampere is somewhere in Finland, you are always welcome and will be an honored guest.  (There are Caol Ilas in the schrank which were bottled approaching 30 yrs old.  In your honor.)

I suppose you could get my email from J or Chris or afew or migs, as i'm hesitant to put it up here.  the more notice the better, but surprise drop-ins are welcome if they can accept then current reality.

Plan more time than you have, as Bremen ist echt Schön, really fine.

If YOU want to pick my brain, such as it is, this project must be really cool.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:19:14 PM EST
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Excellent. Probably not January. I will be in touch.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 06:52:52 PM EST
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As Avedon Carol put it on The sideshow today

Anyone who can utter that many conservative lies and talking points about single-payer/"socialized" medicine is, to put it generously, the wrong choice - and looks an awful lot like a signal from Obama that he doesn't give a damn about one of the most vital issues facing us.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:09:20 AM EST
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Surgeon General, once again, is a bullshit job.  Health and Human Services will be headed to Daschle.
by paving on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:46:13 PM EST
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Did the FT article generate a spike in visits?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:39:30 AM EST
and do we have to be on best behaviour here not to scare anyone away ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:40:14 AM EST
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sigh...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:11:48 AM EST
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People are; it's just they're writing diaries rather than chattering here. Aside from your re-postings, there have been five diaries in the last 24 hrs. That's pretty good for ET.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:30:12 AM EST
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Maybe...



Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:53:22 AM EST
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As in, The day's not over yet?

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:04:53 AM EST
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Also, the article was online before the day was over yesterday.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:05:44 AM EST
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Hence the spike, perhaps.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:19:56 AM EST
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There should be a real spike as J is identified on TV as editor of ET. Perhaps the French will use teh cuil (better google.)

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:15:50 PM EST
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I don't think his bank would have liked to see him identified as an employee before making politically charged statements.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:30:11 PM EST
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France24 is rather hard to get in France...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 08:48:40 PM EST
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Shirin Ebadi, Iranian feminist and winner of the nobel prize for peace is under attack.

Women's Learning Partnership - Growing demands for protection and guarantee of Shirin Ebadi's civil and political rights

The situation of Nobel peace laureate and human rights defender Shirin Ebadi grows increasingly critical. Over the last two weeks the organization she heads, Defenders of Human Rights Center, was shut down, false accusations of tax evasion were made against her in the media, her private law offices were raided and confidential case files seized, and on January 1st a mob of 150 demonstrated in front of her house in an orchestrated attempt to connect her to the Israeli actions in Gaza. Protestors began kicking the door to her home and vandalized the exterior of her property in an attempt to further intimidate her.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:39:35 AM EST
FT.com / Markets - Investors shun German bond auction
Investors shunned one of the most liquid and safest assets in the world on Wednesday as a German bond auction failed in a warning for governments seeking to raise record amounts of debt to stimulate their slowing economies.

It is the first eurozone bond auction of the year and an ominous sign of potential trouble ahead for governments around the world, with an estimated $3,000bn expected to be issued in sovereign debt this year - three times more than in 2008.

The auction of 10-year bonds failed to attract enough bids to reach the €6bn the government wanted to raise. Although a number of German bond auctions failed last year, it was almost unheard of before the credit crisis.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:15:13 AM EST
ADP Dec. report: - 693,000 jobs. I'd be interested to know how much of this is termination of Mass Layoff notice (June 2008). But not so interested to look it up and discriminate union and non-union jobs.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:16:03 AM EST
Oh dear Jesse reported

Large businesses, defined as those with 500 or more workers, saw employment decline 91,000, while medium-size businesses with between 50 and 499 workers declined 321,000. Employment among small-size businesses, defined as those with fewer than 50 workers, declined 281,000. (Notice the big hit taken by the smaller businesses, where most jobs had been created in the prior recovery. This is not good, and bodes ill for safe haven aspect of the broader stock equity indices. - Jesse)

Pareto optima of fail. But we still can't tell if unions preserved jobs... at any price.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 07:00:50 PM EST
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Who says Facebook is a waste of time. A friend of mine made a comment that her work needed a data entry person quickly. Within half an hour I have an interview booked for tomorrow afternoon.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:26:41 AM EST
Good news!

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:29:57 AM EST
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Good luck!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:40:47 AM EST
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Plenty of experience entering data here.... :-)

...do you need a reference?

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:46:23 AM EST
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Ha, not sure if I need a reference, but if i do yours would be a mighty recommendation.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:09:57 PM EST
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I find that early January is a good time to look at the music of the past year as one only needs to browse some best of lists and then listen in on the various free services that exist on the internets. Never been easier. I very much enjoy the James Yorkston record When the Haar Rolls In. Here's the title track:

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:04:38 PM EST
c/o Dean Barker at dKos

Shit, a webhost, Soapblox, has been hacked and the guys running it have decided they don't have the wherewithall to fight back  and have shut down. Iaking all the sites with it.

These include MyLeftWing (Mary Scott O'Connor's blog) and Pam's House Blend. These are big hitter sites. so we're not talking small potatoes.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:36:09 PM EST
It is a real pain when you get hacked, minimum, you're going to be offline for several hours, while you transfer and repair the databases and webpages.

If there's no spare server capacity, then you've got the job of removing data, completely reinstalling the server, updating its security, and finally replacing the data, anything up to a day per machine.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler

by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:18:57 PM EST
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right now it's looking very bad. the guy that ran SoapBlox was a one-man band and he can't do all the work that will be needed to fix this. So, unless somebody organises some big community activity, it's offline permanantly and has taken all of the hosted sites with it.

The more I find out about the sites that sat on it, the worse it looks, there's a huge chunk of the US progressive blogosphere has gone down with Soapblox and it's looking generally grim.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:29:19 PM EST
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Yes, I'm looking through various sites, and unfortunately it needs to be someone there on the ground to help fix the problem. Its not safe to put the machines back on the net to fix things, and it may be much more difficult to recover things, depending on the extent of damage.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:34:09 PM EST
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I've often thought we should be on our own, with a backup server capability, that this never happens to us.  Perhaps we should consider this a wake up call.  I wouldn't want to wait until it's a warning shot or worse.

For certain some fine left blogs will be down for a while, at least the archives.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:39:46 PM EST
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I thought we were.

Colman ?? Are we still on BT ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:42:07 PM EST
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Still on Booman's server.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:59:03 PM EST
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Always be on a host that can offer redundancy.
by paving on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:10:08 PM EST
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Has this been noted yet?
End Times -Can America's paper of record survive the death of newsprint? Can journalism? The Atlantic
VIRTUALLY ALL THE predictions about the death of old media have assumed a comfortingly long time frame for the end of print...

...The thinking goes that the existing brands--The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal--will be the ones making that transition, challenged but still dominant as sources of original reporting.

...what if The New York Times goes out of business--like, this May?

It's certainly plausible. Earnings reports released by the New York Times Company in October indicate that drastic measures will have to be taken over the next five months or the paper will default on some $400million in debt. With more than $1billion in debt already on the books, only $46million in cash reserves as of October, and no clear way to tap into the capital markets (the company's debt was recently reduced to junk status), the paper's future doesn't look good.


As much as I loathe poor news(paper) reporting, I fear what will inevitably replace it.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:29:45 PM EST
To some extent the US news media are authors of their own destruction. They have become so blatantly biased that their output ceased to have any significance for a large cunk of their potential readership.

does it really make any sense for the more literate news media to be so right wing that their op ed pages descend into the incoherent ranting that constitutes thought on the conservative side ? they should leave that for middle brow tabloids. After all, if idiocy is all you want, there's plenty of that on Fox.

However, your query is probably best described as "Is there a profitable model for an upmarket newspaper ?" To which I'd have to answer, I don't know, but I can't believe that the stodgy reporting in the NYT represents it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:41:23 PM EST
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Isn't it obvious what will replace it?

The NYT going down really doesn't bother me much.  It's sad, sure, but it's sad that it's become such a joke of a paper.

The sourcing is weak on good days.  The campaign coverage this year was some of the worst in the business.  Doesn't have enough news for Democrats.  Doesn't have enough pictures for Republicans.  There are only three good columnists (Krugman, Bob Herbert, Frank Rich), while there are several terrible ones (MoDo, the Mustache of Understanding, Gail Collins, David Brooks, Bill Kristol, William Kristof).

Krugman could probably land at the WSJ with Thomas Frank.  Herbert could probably go to Newsweek or TIME.  Rich needs comedy, so I'm thinking send him to Vanity Fair and put his office next to Christopher Hitchens.

The NYT's doomed.  And it's not without good reason.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 01:54:24 PM EST
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Great to see someone figure this out, that the transition will consist of sudden shifts rather than a slow trickle.

The NYT has for ten years punted on this "internet" thing and there's little reason to believe they'll figure out what to do now.  Fortunately the Huffington Post is not their replacement.

by paving on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:11:55 PM EST
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what is HuffPo for ? I never get any sense of why it exists. There's no usp.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:26:32 PM EST
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Vanity. Really.

Which is increasingly the only thing holding the NYT together. When I first started reading the op-eds I thought most of them were so wretched that I almost emailed the editors asking if they wanted someone to join the team.

I didn't realise that you had to be Very Very Serious before you were allowed to say spectacularly stupid, wrong things on the record in public - I thought anyone could do it.

Also, this kind of nonsense:

The Minimalist - The Latest Must-Haves for the Pantry - NYTimes.com

PERHAPS, like me, you have this romantic notion of shopping daily -- maybe even a mental vision of yourself making the rounds, wicker basket in hand, of your little Shropshire or Provençal or Tuscan village. The reality, of course, is that few of us provision our kitchens or cook exclusively with ultra-fresh ingredients, especially in winter, when there simply are no ultra-fresh ingredients.

has more than a whiff of Bastille Day about it, considering.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 03:08:14 PM EST
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Actually, the NYT is probably going to make it through 2009, since it's selling its share of the Boston Red Sox and doing the front-page ads.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 02:12:06 PM EST
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Having been to London yesterday, I must say that St Pancras station is now a truly remarkable building, If I hadnt had a variety of places to go and people to meet, I could happily have wandered and gazed for hours. A true cathedral of the railways.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:18:16 PM EST
It is nice now. Shows what can be done.

Liverpool St is a good-sh example of what can work and also how sometimes things get buggered up. It used to be a real dump, then they did it up and it looks great, then they had to add commercial units to pay for it and that ruied all the views.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 04:21:20 PM EST
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it became that way thanks to a secret law that gives it extra-territorial diplomatic status as an extension of the EU ;)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:34:00 PM EST
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The sooner we can extend that the better.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 05:42:00 PM EST
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One of Douglas Adams' more inspired ideas in the

Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul

is that the Norse gods' world exists in parallel with our own - and that the undercroft of the unrestored St Pancras railway station was Valhalla.

I don't know what Thor would make of it now....

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 08:33:36 PM EST
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Well there was a rather hairy large Norse looking bloke in one of the coffee shops, but maybe he was just getting a drink before catching the steam train from the plaatform 9 3/4 at the station next door.

Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 08:55:07 PM EST
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Stop the War Coalition Online
Emergency national demonstration: Saturday 10 January
* National Demonstration: Saturday 10 January: Stop the Massacre : Israel Out of Gaza
Assemble 12.30pm Speakers Corner, Hyde Park, March to Israeli Embassy, London W8


Give a politician an inch, and he'll think he's a ruler
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 08:47:50 PM EST
I just spent an hour on trip logistics. While sitting on a couch, of course. Everything is online.

Singapore is a bit boring, but a nice intro to Asia. Asia lite, really. But I'm definitely not in Kansas anymore.

I am here until Saturday, then it's off to Melaka in Malaysia, then Kuala Lumpur and Penang after that.

Also on the A380 flight up here - I'm not going to say anything that hasn't already been reported, but the engines are quiet enough to be disturbing. Like, are they actually running? The plane glides down the runway and unceremoniously floats off into space. Crazy.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 7th, 2009 at 09:49:47 PM EST


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