Thursday Open Thread

by In Wales
Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 09:53:12 AM EST

It is the afternoon, and time for the thread to open


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Was the damage to the wind turbine caused by a trainee alien or a one horned cow?
. Trainee alien 44%
. One horned cow 22%
. Other - please specify 16%
. There is no damage. There is no damage. There is no damage. 16%

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UFO enthusiasts are claiming damage to a Lincolnshire wind farm turbine was caused by a mystery aircraft.

The turbine at Conisholme lost one 66ft (20m) blade and another was badly damaged in the early hours of Sunday.

County councillor for the area Robert Palmer said he had seen a "round, white light that seemed to be hovering".

Ecotricity, which owns the site, said while investigations continued they were not ruling anything out - but the extent of damage was "unique".

The turbine is one of 20 at the Conisholme site, which has been only been fully operational since April 2008. The broken blade has been recovered and is being examined.

Local ufologists said they had received many reports of activity in the area and had teams searching for clues.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 09:55:17 AM EST
You would have thought they would go after the ones in Shrivenham first--having already visited the area...

by asdf on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:09:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe that was their warning with a clue as to where they would strike next if we didn't meet their demands. Perhaps the human race is too stupid to understand that the symbols mean, "World peace or next time, you'll be sorry".

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:16:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
as long as it's not an appeal for new episodes of a 1960's TV series that has just passed their planet.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:23:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
While on the subject of aliens, there are lots of other things to worry about as well. For example:

Biological contamination from space samples is a remote but accepted possibility. Signals received by searches for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) could also contain harmful information in the spirit of a computer virus, the so-called "SETI Hacker" hypothesis. Over the last four decades extraterrestrial intelligence searches have given little consideration to this possibility.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V1N-4H21K3K-1&_user=10&_rdoc= 1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVers ion=0&_userid=10&md5=00c26a87aa03043a27af57a9b49a86ee

by asdf on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:32:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Someone's been watching too much Independence day.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:52:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not to worry, the latest Mac OS comes with a built-in defense mechanism that will automatically upload a virus to the mothership of any alien attacker within the solar system. Way more practical than it used to be back in the day!

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:56:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And you think Steve Jobs and Bill Gates come from where - hmmm?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:06:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Binary fission?

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:23:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Careful.  They're going to have you turning your iPhone in to the ministry for that Jobs/Gates comparison.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:17:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Someone's been watching too much Independence day."

Generally I would agree with you (Independence Day was on TV a few days ago), but this discussion about alien computer viruses is in a serious article...

by asdf on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:01:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
thta dosent mean the author hasn't watched it too many times.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:14:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Just tell them to stay away from the Forests of Fontainebleau.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:33:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
well you have to send the trainees out sometimes, and they do make mistakes.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:18:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Like this?
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:35:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes probably.

Oh I don't know, maybe it was a one horn cow.  I wonder if we should create a poll for this?

Do ETers think the damage was caused by a trainee alien or a one horned cow?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:37:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A ball lightning. Can I change my vote?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:33:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
No.

But it reminds me of a great book that I have had since I was quite young that details various phenomena such as that, and UFOs and men in black, and spontaneous human combustion.  I'm tempted to start a series based on that.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:39:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey, don't dis ball lightning.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:54:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I am not dissing ball lightning, indeed I was extremely fascinated by it - and was introduced to it by this book of mine, which has some interesting stuff as well as weirdy stuff.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:58:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was introduced to ball lightning by Nikita Mikhalkov.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:04:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Possibly more credible than my book.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:13:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's a shame that the explanation of "spontaneous human combustion" is so mundane. The idea of people just walking along and then exploding in flames is just so interesting in a calvin and Hobbes kind of way.

Reality's a bitch

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:12:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was going to look for that.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:53:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Heh. Sorry to steal your post.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:54:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well if I had had as much luck finding that as finding a certain travel document, wed have been here all day.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:57:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
perhaps it's bats loosening bolts in revenge?

Wind farms cause thousands of bats to die from trauma - Times Online

Wind turbines pose a far more serious risk to bats than birds because their blades cause air pressure imbalances that can inflict fatal trauma.

A six-week study at two wind farms in the eastern United States recorded 1,764 and 2,900 bat fatalities. Another American project found that bat deaths outnumbered bird deaths in Montana by two to one. Though death rates in Europe are generally lower than this, extensive bat casualties have been reported in Britain.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:44:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Like anyone believes that bats with spanners can fly.

Please.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:07:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]
who needs spanners when you have sucker feet?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:17:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Or a giant glowing eye and secret telekinetic powers?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:28:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
you keep mentioning things like that and you'll find the vans motor failing in the middle of nowhere, and then you'll be dragged off and probed.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:31:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
By telekinetic bats who don't like wind power?

This isn't Wales you know.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:37:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I know, you're heading for parts even more foreign.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:08:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
["We can't stop here - this is bat country" Alert™]
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:37:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well I somehow doubt that the contents of the rear of your vehicle will be anywhere near the same.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:44:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
European bats or African bats?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:29:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
bats not swallows.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:32:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Iknow, but maybe an African bat could fly carrying a spanner (or a monkey wrench).

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:49:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
and you can't use two as spanners dont have husks.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:45:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, if it's an adjustable spanner, you can put a string through the handle's hole...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:51:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Perhaps you should use mole grips instead.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:55:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
asdf, did I hear right, on cpr, that it was 64º in Denver today?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:45:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not asdf but yes.  But that's Fahrenheit, don't forget.

The Rocky Mountain and Pacific Coast states are having above average temperatures this winter.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:04:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
it's 60º for xmess in Denver, but January is usually the coldest.  I wish I were there, since it has been below freezing all day, with dark gray skies.  I counted about 10 snowflakes per minute around 3 pm...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 06:43:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Actually I think Colorado Springs and Denver have been having their usual really-cold-then-surprisingly-warm sort of weather. It was quite cold a couple of weeks ago, -5 F at my house which is, er, -20 C or so.

Recall that this area, east of the Rocky Mountains and west of the 100th meridian, is formally a high altitude desert. ("The Great American Desert.") It is typically hot (35 C) and dry during summer days, and cold (10 C) during summer nights, and can be pretty warm during winter days and then quite cold at night. Today it was about 17 C, but the prediction for Saturday night is -15 C.

I believe that the climate here is similar to that of Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, one of our "sister cities." They're quite a bit lower that us (800 m versus 1900 m) but situated in a similar relationship to nearby mountains...

by asdf on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:21:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
thinking 'it never really snows here', around 600 m.

This morning we had a good inch and keeps snowing steadily in big flakes.  The palm tree across the street is drooping white and looks more out of place than usual.  

It's a whole, new, world perspective when everything is white, here.  Any snow shakes the locals enough to be more social and talkative, so it's almost pleasant.  

The north coast and even Barcelona have had snow on the beaches, so it shouldn't surprise us, inlanders.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 06:22:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The wind farm turbines are from German manufacturer Enercon, I assume E44s.  (44 meter rotor.)  It's one of the first variable speed turbines, is gearless, and has a history of very high reliability.  Check it out. there's a diagram.

it could be ice damage, though that would be absolutely a freak occurrence.  I'm somewhat sceptical that it was an UFO, more likely a convergence of Ley Lines, is what we usually find at the end of the day, or the rainbow.   I'm not ruling out a cow dangling from a black helicopter, but i'm categorically ruling out a cow jumping or flying that high.  Unless it was a one horn cow, then all bets are off.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:18:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe it was a one horn cow? That can fly, without a helicopter.  If it was ley lines then mystics could be involved, I think a cow is more plausible.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:35:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There's nothing mystical about ley lines, but one-horned cows are way out there on the metaphysical scale.

And this is nothing compared to what goes on in Malta.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:59:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Why? What goes on in Malta?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:03:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It concerns dogs and one-horned cows. I'd rather not go into details.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:06:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
* shuts eyes *

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:07:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You forgot (or was it deliberate?) to put the true answer in the poll:

Pluto is in Capricorn.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:04:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yeah it was deliberate. I wanted to see who would spot it first. Well done.  Pot of gold from the rainbow for you.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:06:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I wanted to see who would spot it first.

The usual lame excuse.

In fact, you're a grey.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:09:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No, I'm one of David Icke's reptiles.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:15:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Even scarier.

So you broke that windmill?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:21:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As if I am going to admit to that on a public forum.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:33:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's as good as an admission. Lame again, lizard!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:36:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What is he doing there?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:12:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The usual deeply satisfying Maltese exchanges.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:17:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
deeply satisfying Maltese exchanges

Now, that sounds interesting... Could you elaborate?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:27:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I couldn't, I'm afraid. Pluto could. Sarko probably could, too.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:33:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No, seriously. Since Lincolnshire is not far from where she lives, (and not because of broken windmills or aliens), I was wondering how Sassafras is?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:27:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I guess she's fine. She sent me a happy new year message and I said we all missed her in reply.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:46:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sassafras is fine - back at home, back at work, and as healthy as can be expected.

I think she's been catching up with things that should have been done while she was ill - also, Christmas - so she hasn't been posting much.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:17:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
huh, I know nothing. What happened ?

Are these things designed to work at -10 ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:42:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes.  They work at both poles.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:48:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It was a case of ball lightning, clearly.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:32:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Swamp gas, surely?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:18:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Doesn't Interwebz tradition require Pie as an option in all polls?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:46:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Do you mistake us for any old blog? We have our own way of doing things here. It doesn't involve pie in polls.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:21:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ben Franklin's corpse Mervyn King slashes rates to a 315-year low:

The Bank of England has cut interest rates to 1.5%, the lowest level in its 315-year history, as it continues efforts to aid an economic recovery.

The half percentage point reduction brings interest rates below 2% for the first time since the Bank of England was founded in 1694.

Manufacturers' association EEF said the move was "too timid", and that the Bank should have cut rates further.

The Bank has now reduced rates four times from October's 5% level.

Explaining its decision, the Bank said the level of contraction in business activity had "increased during the fourth quarter of 2008, and that output is likely to continue to fall sharply during the first part of this year".

It added: "Surveys of retailers and reports from the Bank's regional agents imply that consumer spending has weakened."

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

[Drew's WHEEEEE™ Technology]

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:14:47 AM EST
Drew J Jones:
"Surveys of retailers and reports from the Bank's regional agents imply that consumer spending has weakened."

And I'll bet they said it with a straight face. A wonderful example of what is known in the British idiom as "abducting the urine".

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:54:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Abducting the urine?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:22:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
British expression that means extracting the michael.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:31:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Oh, or "taking the piss".  My bad.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:45:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"consumer spending has weakened."

We have been getting calls from big name mail order houses (Lands End, for example) asking whether we were happy with our recent purchase. This has never happened in the past...

by asdf on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:25:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
there's a lot of commentary at the moment that the interest rate solution is not only not working, but is trying to fix the wrong problem and becoming counter productive.

People are beginning to suspect that, whatever the macroeconomic ills, there will be no improvement whilst people are making autonomous microeconomic decisions due to their personal circumstances. And the govt hasn't even begun to imagine doing anything about that.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:45:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
What do you expect them to do? They're only a government.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 11:52:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Can Monetarism really be dead?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:30:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Interest rates are pretty useless in a situation like this.  Now, with that said, Calculated Risk noted the other day that Bernanke did seem to have had some success getting the key indicators -- TED spread, etc -- back down to something closer to normal.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:26:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
President elect Obama has let the press know that he wants to take unspecified measures on Social Security. From Dean Barker.

President-elect Obama apparently believes that the crisis brought on by the collapse of the housing bubble will require defaulting on the national debt. The New York Times reported today that Obama believes that "changes in Social Security and Medicare will be central to efforts to bring federal spending in line."....

If Mr. Obama plans to cut Social Security in the near future, then this effectively amounts to a default on the bonds held by the trust fund which were purchased with workers' Social Security taxes. If the budget situation is so dire that it is necessary to default on the government debt, then surely we should be considering defaulting on the bonds held by Robert Rubin, Peter Peterson, and other wealthy bankers, not just the bonds that were bought to pay Social Security benefits for the country's workers.

Unbelievable, but not unforeseen.  Obama's advisors from the Robert Rubin funded Hamilton Project have been neo-liberal to a fault.

If Obama comes in and tries to cut benefits by introducing a means test the honeymoon is going to be awfully damn short.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:40:28 AM EST
You forgot:

[Drew's WHEEEEETM Technology]

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:54:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not really.  WHEEETech only applies to banks, markets and jobs/growth.

Anyway, it's funny.  Yesterday I noted that I wasn't terribly upset about the possibility of the NYT closing shop, mostly because its reporting had become a joke.

Perhaps a perfect example here: Obama talks about being "fiscally responsible" in the long run, and talks about the fact that entitlements inevitably enter into that after being asked specifically about entitlements.  Throwaway stuff.  "Balance the budget, shore up entitlements, blahblahblah."  Presidents have been saying these things for decades.  The NYT takes this and says he's going to cut funding to retirees.  No quotes, no sources (not even anonymous), just stereotypical ambiguity at a press conference.

In fact, he already proposed cutting funding, but what he proposed was ditching the payments to private insurers that Bush pushed through under Medicare Part D that cost us billions each year.  He also proposed raising the cap on payroll taxes.  Those are, as far as I know, his only two concrete proposals on Social Security and Medicare, aside from the digitizing of medical records that would be part of the health reform package.

Now maybe he will try to cut funding to entitlements on a large scale, such that it would affect normal people.  Hell if I know.  (I do know he'd be virtually guaranteed of becoming a one-term president if he tried, which also makes me doubt the NYT's interpretation here.  It's also not the kind of thing you propose in an offhand remark at a press conference.)  But I don't see how the NYT drew that conclusion from the press conference, and it seems to be more along the lines of giving the NYT's site traffic with another in its ongoing series of sensationalist stories.  They've done this on several issues now.

Could be wrong.  But I think Baker would do well to read the article again and think a bit.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:01:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Wall Street Journal article is a lot more clear.

Mr. Obama pledged Wednesday to attack surging spending on entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, and he promised to lay out specific federal programs to cut when he unveils his first budget blueprint next month.

This suggests to me that he's talking about cutting spending.  I think that this is probably going to be means testing, but it isn't going to fly.

With people like Furman and Goolsbee making policy, this should be no surprise.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:15:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Might be means-testing, although I haven't heard them talk about that.  I think that's an initiative of one of the House Dems.  Either way, I agree that means-testing probably ain't going to fly unless the eligibility ceiling is so high that it's almost irrelevant anyway.

But, again, from where are they getting that?  The question and answer that sparked the whole drama seems to have come from the question asked by the WSJ reporter and Obama's answer.  The WSJ reporter babbled something about how the real key to controlling federal spending was controlling spending on entitlements, and then asked when he would address entitlements and what his approach would be.  He babbled something about consulting with members of Congress and submitting a budget.

Unless I'm missing a quote somewhere -- and I might well be, for the record, I dunno -- he doesn't seem to have said anything about cutting benefits.  The transition website says the opposite.

At most, it strikes me as Village blather about entitlements, which seems to be the entry fee to Very Seriousness nowadays, even though nobody ever does anything about it.

But, like I said, I could be wrong.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:28:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Holy cow.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:30:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
it's not holy unless it's one-horned.  Ask the Hopi.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:50:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A joke making the rounds on chinese twitter :

In 1949 only Socialism could save China

In 1979 only Capitalism could save China

In 1989 only China could save Socialism

In 2009 only China could save Capitalism

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:40:16 PM EST
maybe, but if the price of such saving is to retain the look of smug satisfaction on the faces of the West's elite then it's too high

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:45:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm moving to Madrid. I'll be taking my stuff by van and thatbritguy has kindly agreed to accompany me in my journey. I fugured with two drivers you can share driving time, you have a copilot to read maps and give you conversation, and so on. I'll then fly him back.

As there are no ferries from the English South Coast to Northern Spain in January, we'll be driving through France.

We should be around Paris on the evening of the 16th. Who's available for dinner? Can someone put us up? afew?

We should drive to southern France on the 17th... again, any offers to put us up for the night?

We'll probably have a chance to stop in Barcelona and see kcurie on the 18th.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:50:55 PM EST
Enjoy the journey.  Any chance of photos?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:55:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Um, I left my point-and-click camera in Madrid... But I have a phone...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:57:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Apartment way to small to put you up, maybe available for dinner - if you stay around Paris for the night, try to get some private parking...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:58:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was thinking that redstar lives outside Paris so it might be a good place to leave the car...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:00:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wow, sounds like you guys have all the makings for a road movie!

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:00:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Move over, Kerouac.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:02:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Just don't name your van "Furthur" or we're going to start to get really really worried.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:00:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ha. Done.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:11:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jeez, you'd better get cracking with your Day-Glo paints then. You've got just a week to do your entire vehicle.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:51:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Huh ? I thought it was ceebs going with you.

I'd have gone, but the social security don't like you buggering off to spain when you're receving benefits.

ps afew is near Toulouse, not Paris

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:09:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
True, I meant to put the "afew?" after the "southern france" bit.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:36:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well somewhere in the packing  of my things in my last move, my passport has gone into hiding, amongst other things.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:59:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Say Helen, how was your interview today?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:02:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It was very quick and superficial.

It's for a temporary job of just two weeks paying minimum wage so they don't really want anything special. however she admitted she's had a lot of interest (there's a lot of need out there) and I will be informed monday or tuesday if I've got the job. If I don't get it I won't mind cos it's such a short contract.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:06:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:42:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Good luck on the move.  I imagine the change in weather should be nice.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:09:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Should we all chip in for a film crew?  This could be good.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:24:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Hmm, I could always claim the video camera...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 01:42:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I predict it will be less a Kerouac road movie, and more like 'Smart and Smarter" starring Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:23:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Now thats a film I know I'd pay to see (Unlike Australia, which I saw this week and was spectacularly poor).

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:46:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Was it really that bad?  They raved and raved and raved about it and then it came out and everyone went "oh".

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:02:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well theres a complete film in the first half, a full story, albeit disjointed and jumbled, then theres another hour and a half to go....

the acting wooden, the characters stereotypes, the lead actress appears physically incapable of acting, (or even changing her expression) there might be some eyecandy for the ladies in Mr Jackman with his top off. but far too many lingering shots of single tears running down the faces of characters in substitute for any meat to the story.

There are some stunning landscape shots, but rip them out please and put them into a 2 minute Australian tourist board advert.

the second half of the film hangs together better as a story, but is rather let down by yet more bad acting and a poorselection of unrealistic looking special effects. (and after the first half you dont really care about the characters).

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:15:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nicole Kidman at her worst?  I don't like her as an actress at all.  Too much botox too.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:17:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was trying to avoid saying that.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:19:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
She was good in The Others and The Hours. I don't really like her otherwise.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:27:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I enjoyed The Hours but I rarely like her in anything.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:31:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I like Kidman a bit more than you guys, I guess. For instance, in Von Trier's Dogville. I think she's good when she has a good director. Or at least was. Perhaps botox has ruined her (there are psychological repercussions to fixating one's expression).

Kidman was at her best in Eyes Wide Shut, though that was a case of typecasting.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:19:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I've felt that EWS was a highlight - but I'd have to agree that typecasting was a major effect.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:57:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You mean there's a "best" to her?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:43:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think there is a 'slightly less awful'.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:50:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, if you can discern such a minute difference my hat's off to you!

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:51:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I hope the weather is better for your trip - lots of France is having big transport problems with the cold - even in the south:

snow-south-774


As one resident said: "This is not Marseille" - skiing by the port ! :-)

snow-marseille-775


Even in Nice there's light snow on the hills:

nice-snow-768

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:20:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Aix had 20 cms and all the schools closed.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:23:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
This did cross my mind, because trying to drive through snow and ice would probably be suicidal.

But there's a thaw forecast for next week.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:39:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You'll want to check out the mountain passes crossing into Spain.

Sounds like you're heading south then across at Perpignan-Barcelona, which is probably good.  The passes in the Basque country and Navarra have been closed the last couple of days.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 03:18:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was banking on dual carriageways all the way...

Is taking the Lyon route to Perpignan better than going south through the Massif Central to Toulouse and then Perpignan?

Crossing the Pyrinees from Toulouse into Aragó to Zaragoza would indeed be suicidal this time of year.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:25:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Unless you were bringing a pristine copy of the Saragossa Manuscript.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 04:53:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Apparently the reference was lost, but there really was a point to the comment.  I've seen the film and it's awesome.

The Manuscript Found in Saragossa.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:00:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As a result, Fillon is finding the unpreparedness to clean the snow "scandalous" and thinks things need to be done about it...

Spending millions on preventing two days of snow every ten years is waste, but appearing on the TV too important...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:20:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you go through Lyon, I can host you for the night and we could have dinner together.

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:32:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It looks like we might be going through Lyon. However, while we could push all the way to Lyon on the first day and skip Paris, it a stop around Paris seems more likely. We would then see you in Lyon for lunch and head south? Unfortunately, if wouldn't be wise to enjoy a heavy Lyonnais meal since we'd have to get on the road and we don't want to fall asleep at the wheel during our digestion.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:15:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Lunch is OK, and you could take a nap in Lyon afterwards... ;-)

In any case, don't expect me to take you to a faste-food joint...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:09:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not fast food, but a light meal :-)


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:26:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I could put you up and feed you both on the 16th- 50 km south of Paris.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 02:58:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Very nice house, and the host is very nice !

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:17:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We could do that instead of staying in Paris: we'd stop in Paris for en early dinner and go on to LEP's

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:24:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm going to be in Paris on Wednesday to celebrate Raphael's 18th. If you have room in your van I could stay in Paris for two nights and return with you on Friday evening, or you could follow me home if I have my car.
Where are you thinking of dining? If it appears too late to eat in Paris, we could have dinner at my house.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:48:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We have an 11:10 ferry crossing. We should be in Paris fairly early (4pm or so?) so it looks like an early ET dinner and then off to your house. This would shave one hour off the next day's drive which is a very good thing.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:53:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So where are you staying, in the end?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:37:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
As of right now I think staying with LEP works best. I think I'm trying to make it to just north of Barcelona (where amanda2006 lives) in the second day, so leaving from 1h south of Paris is best.

How would that work for an ET early dinner on Friday evening?


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:48:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
you're both welcome to stay with us. the boss agrees ;)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:05:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Marsalis on students



Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:38:33 PM EST
Damn, he saw right through  me and I wasn't even one of his students.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 05:47:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nostalgia ain't what it used to be....just found an old favourite...



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 07:47:17 PM EST
Remember this one?  

Great song.  

Dumb visuals.  Someday I'm going to get off my ass and do some.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 09:57:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
always prefered this by them



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:06:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Step back 10 years and we get my entry for the ET theme song.  :-)



No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I am always amazed by how much TV has changed over the years...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:07:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought Hank Marvin played a stratocaster in the shadows. Never knew he moonlighted as a stadnup bass player.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 06:28:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hi, I hope this is the right place for this:

I have been experiencing now and then difficulties in posting comments. But these last few days it has been really difficult. Yesterday I spent about 2 hours trying to post a comment at In Wales' thread on the UK and the Euro. I simply get a time out after half an hour waiting.

This mostly happens in the afternoon, but sometimes even at the morning things seem to get "jammed" on me. I can usually read posts but not comment on them.

Given this apparent time dependence I would say this may be some server load issue. But from my experience at TOD:E we usually get hit bursts in the first working hours of the morning, right after lunch and in the evening.

I connect from different places, but usually through high-tech networks and don't experience such problems with any other website.

Thanks for any help.

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 03:22:01 AM EST
What browser and operating system are you using?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:04:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I doubt it has anything to do with it, but its Firefox 3.0.5 on Vista Business.

Vencit omnia veritas.
by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:47:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That is odd. On occasion, the ET server goes down for a short time but this isn't regular.  I sometimes have trouble posting but that co-incides with difficulties loading up other websites too and sorts out once I reset my modem.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 04:50:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't think it is the server down, because the browser manages to post the request, it just seems that the server never answers back.

This is a bit unusual, I would say the web server is waiting for something else to answer

Vencit omnia veritas.

by Luis de Sousa (luis[dot]a[dot]de[dot]sousa[at]gmail[dot]com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 05:19:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
sounds to me most like your browser has a problem, try doing the same to here with ie, when you next get a problem posting from firefox. see if its a problem that is firefox specific.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:19:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I come on here today, and the recommended diary articles post count, and unread post count appears fixed. Whoever sorted it if that is the case, well done!


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 08:21:48 AM EST
Or did you just get new rose-coloured glasses?  

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:44:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
well several hours later it still appears to be working.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:00:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not on all of them, but only some, with my glasses.  Photoblog 69 still misreports, though that may have something to do with the sexual content.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 11:39:42 AM EST
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